@deen Maybe add a tile to the pit at the end of HDP_Obstaculos to prevent people from getting killed without finishing. (People fall out of the map and die) I know it's an oldschool map, but I feel like we should make an exception and prevent this from happening. We already prevent kill tiles from killing people in other maps, you don't really expect to die.
03:49
The stronghold maps also have this issue, though, only Stronghold 1 has the issue of not being able to react to it, there are hookables on the other 2 maps, though, you could argue it's unfair as well, since you're conditioned to not expect to die at the finish line everywhere else.
03:49
Should probably make it a rule in mapping in the future, if it isn't already.
@Skeith I don't have anything to do with map testing / changing existing maps. I would let the testers decide on that. But isn't it the intention of making the finish faily?
The problem with it is the fact that you fall out of the map and kill your team before everyone can finish, if using /lock ... I don't know how it affects single finishes outside of /lock, if the person still gets the finish even though they died
I don't see why oldschool can't be touched when it kills people at the very end of the map without warning, it's not a pleasant experience at all for people.. It's not like I failed the map, it just killed me because I'm in a team, I don't even remember if teams even existed back then lol
oldschool isnt meant to be a pleasant experience, its mainly to archive old maps for nostalgic reasons and for that they shouldnt be changed even if its minor
Sure, fixing skips is one thing, fixing things that ruin peoples overall experience should be handled differently
07:00
07:05
Adding a tile to prevent death at the bottom of this pit changes nothing about the gameplay, it just fixes the issue of kill tiles outside of map boundaries still killing you.
07:06
You technically made this change already to other oldschool maps by making kill tiles no longer kill you when you're teamed and passed a finish line.(edited)
07:10
Oldschool shouldn't give points if you have the approach of them only existing for archive reasons, they give points, so they're a part of ddnet, if a part of ddnet ruins the experience for players, it should be in your best interest to prevent that... Especially if it's a very minor change such as adding 1 tile outside of the actual play area.
07:12
My 2 cents, do what you want though, it'll just continue killing people without warning, ruining peoples fun.
I played it to finish, I finished it, I didn't fail by any means, ddnet's systems failed me
07:17
Maybe make it to where hitting map boundaries doesn't kill your entire team (after hitting the finish line) and actually stores your finish for when other teammates hit the finish line.(edited)
07:19
Sounds like exploit central to implement, but solving this issue in other ways is your decision, I think it'd be best to just add a tile to prevent it from happening.
Oldschool maps aren't meant to be pleasant lol what a statement.
Anyway I think there are some precedents where old maps were adjusted though. Like the ddnet version of nut fixed some skips the originals had
My frustrations aren't really with the map, more-so with the mechanic that prevents teamed tees from dying to kill tiles after hitting the finish line, this system doesn't work with the map boundary kill tiles. It's a problem that only complicates systems that exist now, people only played in team 0 back then and never experienced this. Changing something to compliment current systems the servers have should be a no brainer, it wouldn't affect the integrity of the map, and would make solving this issue a lot easier.
The request is to make the map work with /lock enabled. The map is fine otherwise, this isn't a problem just because it's an oldschool map, other oldschool maps work.
08:57
I genuinely can't find another map with this issue
If a team is locked, and one person finishes, the whole team dies no matter what on HDP_Obstaculos
09:01
09:03
It's a unique problem that goes against multiple systems on the server, the two parts aren't even comparable, one is user error, the other is an error with the team mechanics.
Skeith
Ofc that is the solution now, but people will run into this issue without knowing about it
As I said previously, it's not even close to the oldschool experience, it's not a thing back then, nor is it in any other oldschool map
09:08
Yes, people have finished in a team, but lets ignore the countless deaths to it and pretend everything's fine
09:09
If you do the part properly, you don't die on any other map. You fall into something that catches you and you wait for your other teammates to finish as well.
09:09
Except for the stronghold maps, from what I've seen
I'd say the behavior probably wasn't there when the map was made, hence it's something that ddnet added by introducing the teams and kill whole team if one person goes out of bounds
Exactly, it's disheartening that we'd rather leave the map as is and have other people die to it just for "archive" reasons, it's part of ddnet, fix it.
Yea, it's pretty obvious that an exception should be made for the whole "no changing oldschool maps" rule. It kills the team that's locked within literally 3 seconds the moment you touch the finish line
09:26
No, I don't map at all, never touched the editor in my whole 12 years of playing lol
It's mildly amusing, if you've been playing the game for awhile... Not so much if you're relatively new and put a bunch of time into the map just to get killed when you thought you finished
wouldn't it be a better fix to have dying after finish not kill the team, you either get sent into spec or team 0 and you get the finish as soon as everyone else has finished?
Also, don't get me wrong, this was one of the maps people played a lot back in the day, fond memories.
But the way /lock kills you at the end didn't seem like it had a place on ddnet at all.
Impressive, I'm a baddie and just recently would've gotten 19 minutes, (I got stuck on that troll part with the timed release corner) but I got trolled by the map
09:51
Worst part
09:53
I know you can go up on the corner and hammer but I'm a lagger, far2risky4me. I'll stop talking in the bugs channel now. (edited)
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