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i could do it but i have never played amucus and probably never will

Already was thinking to make it, but since teeworlds doesn't have custom GUI that could be sent from server to client, it would be boring to make some ingame movements for quests.

it doesnt have to be exactly like among us, you could use gun to tell crewmates what tasks you have, and each task could be a normal part

02:13

there could also be different categories of tasks just like among us, some of which could be just solo parts

02:14

like a fetch quest where you duplicate a solo part with different tp and go back, or just write code to check that you went to the top of a part and came back

02:14

a lot of ways you could do it imo

02:15

maybe there are games that would translate better to teeworlds anyway

02:15

no meme but battle royale teeworlds might be kinda sick if the combat was interesting enough

lynn

no meme but battle royale teeworlds might be kinda sick if the combat was interesting enough

f-ddrace has a /survival minigame which acts simmilarly to battle royale

02:19

there are also special weapons which you can place and they all function in that minigame iirc

o cool

02:43

is it team-based or ffa?

ffa

0.7 has last man standing out of the box

lms and lts are really great gamemodes too

Seems like the removed binds in settings are also causing problems: https://steamcommunity.com/app/412220/discussions/0/4679778856494173400/

如何在按左鍵時，能在不同步的情況讓分身也跟著槌一次。 :: DDraceNetwork General Discussions

不想要同步跟自動槌人的，就這樣在本尊按左鍵的時候，分身就會槌你。之前很幸運使用過一次，結果改了便捷建之後就沒了...需要按什麼才會再出現?

why u ping me Ryozuki? cuz of that rust maximalist talk?

12:34

disliked the yt video :D

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nice, collegeboard doesn't support linux

Cant trust BYO devices in general. Full of malware and users click what they like.

waat

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https://sourceware.org/elfutils/Debuginfod.html

elfutils debuginfod services

elfutils, libraries and tools for ELF files and DWARF data.

15:21

@Learath2 seen that? symbol servers for linux sound quite useful

nope. not yet

15:22

but with symbols in the elf itself, why would we need symbol servers?

15:22

Ah I guess for stripped binaries and stuff it could be useful

for on-demand symbols

could someone maybe extend the timout limit in 'NUT Hardcore UNITED"? there are some with a 2-hour run

sure

15:25

@Patiga server and port pls, it's hard to figure out on an iPad

176.9.114.238:8298

conn_timeout_protection, apparently, in seconds

GER

@heinrich5991 if you want to do it you can btw

which ger is GER?

ger2

argh, let's hope this works

15:28

@Learath2 can you also try?

15:28

can't find my command in the logs

15:29

ah, seems to have worked

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Value: 10000

nice thanks

okay

https://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2021/luca-app-ccc-fordert-bundesnotbremse

@heinrich5991 what is the luca app?

16:53

hm, seems like some contact tracing app, why would anyone develop their own when there is a pretty great standard out there I wonder

the federal government paid a lot of money to develop an app that had useful privacy protection

17:05

but now some states are buying this software which doesn't have privacy in mind, it seems to me that the success formula is "less privacy protection → must be better for tracing corona"

huh, odd, I always thought germany was fairly socialist

but corrupt

where did I say something in relation to socialism? ^^

You didn't but protecting citizens right to privacy is one of the things more popular in socialist governments

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in more hypercapitalist places the equation is "less privacy = more profit = better for the private sector = more lobbying dollars lining the pockets of govt officials"

the gdr would like to have a word

17:08

the gdr (russian part of occupied germany) is what had the stasi

Oh cmon, giving examples of damaged socialist governments is getting old

17:08

Stalin was a nutjob

also one big problem is, our government + digital stuff = huge RIP. They are always uninformed and do random stuff that doesnt pay out xd

these do happen, but not all the time

17:09

I think the gdpr was a net plus already

but that was EU, wasnt it?

If you want to seee more successful examples of socialist policies, you should look further north in the EU

but tbh, its also a thing of transparency. democracy isnt only about if you want equality. Even if they probably always somehow connected

@Deleted User do they reelect corrup politicians on germany

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?

ofc xD

In spain its like being corrupt is a requisite to be elected

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No jome

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Joke

our minister of transport just wasted 500 mios, nobody cares xd

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even if all laywers told him his "idea" wont work

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he set up all contracts, and bam, the EU said no to it

he wanted to tax foreigners on german roads

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companies didn't want to have the deal, because they thought the eu would strike it down

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so the minister promised the money even in case the eu would strike it down

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(AFAIR)

yeah

17:15

sounds correct xd

can someone point me to big affairs that don't come from the CDU/CSU btw?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corruption_in_Spain

Corruption in Spain

Corruption in Spain describes the prevention and occurrence of corruption in Spain. In the early 21st century there are many political corruption legal processes in the post Franco young and independent judiciary, despite its senior judges being appointees of parliamentary committees.Transparency International rated Spain between 2001 and 2012...

might be my personal sphere that doesn't make me see these

heinrich5991

can someone point me to big affairs that don't come from the CDU/CSU btw?

if you on the top of a country for too long this probs happens to anybody

17:15

there are too much connections with interests

Gürtel is a huge case, code-named after one of its main suspects, construction businessman Francisco Correa. His surname translates to belt in English and to Gürtel in German. The case covers bribery, money laundering and tax evasion, and implicates a wide circle of powerful businessmen and top politicians (90 per cent of the whole party) in the People's Party who had gained an absolute majority in the national elections of Spain. The affair was first uncovered by the Spanish newspaper El Pais, whose researchers were awarded prizes for investigative journalism. Initial investigations were conducted in Madrid, Valencia & la Costa del Sol by the notable Spanish National Court Judge Baltasar Garzón, an examining magistrate serving the Juzgado Central de Instrucción No. 5.

I guess there's a fair chance that they're not going to be "on top of the country" starting september

aPES2_GaKeyboard

aPES2_GaKeyboard

aPES2_GaKeyboard

yeah, corona showed the greed of some politicans, and since they are part of the gouvernment, its kinda a scandal

In 2011 it was rated 30th least corrupt country in the world[4]

17:17

doesn't sound too bad. or just all other countries being really corrupt

tbh i think alot of corruptness is hidden under "lobbyism"§

Its 40 now iirc

17:17

Aftee gurtel

90 per cent of the whole party

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ouch

https://www.theguardian.com/news/2019/mar/01/spain-watergate-corruption-scandal-politics-gurtel-case

17:19

The whole party is a mafis

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Mafis

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Mafia

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Stupid mobile

the fact that wikipedia says spain is more corrupt than qatar makes me wonder how that is even possible

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guess i dont understand how far you can interpret corruptness

qatar is so corrupt that it probably wrapped around

or monarchies cant be corrupt, bcs the definition doesnt work there xd

heinrich5991

I guess there's a fair chance that they're not going to be "on top of the country" starting september

is it looking likely that the CDU will lose?

they loose some percentages bcs of some politicans that made money with masks

who is the runner up btw?

the green party currently i think

SPD?

https://dawum.de/Bundestag/

Bundestagswahl: Neueste Wahlumfragen im Wahltrend | Sonntagsfrage #...

Auswertung der neuesten Wahlumfragen im Wahltrend, Sonntagsfrage zur Bundestagswahl mit Koalitionen, dem Umfrageverlauf und Vergleich mit dem Wahlergebnis #btw21

Oh wow the greens?

greens before spd yes

damn

bcs SPD was also part of the government and destroyed itself by accepting too muhc shit from CDU

hm, if CDU falls below a SPD-Green party govt can be formed

17:36

I should read more about german politics, sounds way more interesting when there are some actual contenders to the throne

17:37

turkish, us and uk politics are soooo boring, extremely disproportional results, duopolies

spd and green could form it with Linke(who are kinda the most left party with over 5%) and maybe FDP, but FDP isnt really the party it was 40 years ago

17:38

sadly some newer parties like "Die Piraten" destroyed theirself, when they got more famous

17:38

currently the second most loved party among new ellectors is "Die Partei" which is a troll party xD

When is AfD getting > 50% btw?

i doubt that will happen, too many of their politcans are too talking like neo nazis

Funny how outside of germany everyone talks about the dangers of AfD when they barely seem to get 5%

they are very split between very conservatives and right extreme

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they lost a bit in corona time

17:39

they were stronger before

you need more conservative parties disguised as neo-liberals

17:40

sprinkle a little populism in there and it'll shake the political stage right up

thats what FDP is nowadays imo

idk about FDP, I'll read up

actually SPD didnt even want to be part of government, but bcs FDP said no to CDU + Green + FDP, they had to reconsider

The party chairman looks more like the CEO

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Oh one thing I'm interested about, which party do the unions back?

CSU CDU

17:42

if you mean that with union

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CSU = Bavaria is best, Bavaria first

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litteraly xD

I mean trade unions, you know like IG Metall

oh

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i guess most are SPD

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bcs thats the tradition of that party

17:44

but not sure nowadays

I find whoever the unions back usually have the best policies for the people

green are far right, they are pro franco (the dictator who died of old age in spain)

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i doubt

hey, I'm also very left leaning nowadays, so who knows

man, in spain the dictatorship ended cuz the dictator died of old age, can u imagine

yeah

how ridiculous it is

our green party is left-mid i'd say

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but in germany there is also a right-mid green party

17:46

ÖDP

wait wait wait, @Ryozuki your greens are right wing?

@Learath2 like the most right wing possible

17:46

they are straight up fascists

hm, I'm guessing they just randomly assign colors because green parties are so left leaning everywhere else

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vox_(political_party)#Ideology

They should give erdogan a call, he can give them some pointers

17:49

Okay, so this week I'll learn more about the german political landscape and next week I'll do spain

is erdogan islamic?

Ryozuki

is erdogan islamic?

if it suits him, sure, currently it does

if so then they hate him then

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yoo

He used to support lgbtq+ rights before he was elected

lol

He is seriously the perfect populist

17:50

Right up there with boris and trump

arguing that Spain should make no sovereignty concessions to the EU, because they consider Spanish sovereignty to reside in the Spanish nation alone.

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They propose to eliminate Spain's autonomous communities.[55] In addition, they seek the return of Gibraltar to full Spanish sovereignty.[56]

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kek

nationalismgang

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Maybe I should become a politician instead of a programmer

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Hypernationalist populist neo-liberal conservative policies

@Learath2 i dont think its that easy to become one of these elites

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they are backed by a family of politicians

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usually

so many buzzwords no one can understand what I really am

@Learath2 here, and in most places certainly you dont get to appear in TV unless you had previous seats in the previous goverment

17:52

this only makes status quo more prevalent

idk if it'd work in europe but in turkey they used mosques to get around this

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maybe I could use churches for passing my messages around?

@Learath2 here they tried twitter to get around this

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they got 0.6% votes

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rip

17:53

no seat

noo, twitter is full of liberals

17:53

can't do populism well there unless it's the US

PepeA

Learath2

noo, twitter is full of liberals

i dunno it feels like all internet is pretty mixed

Ryozuki

green are far right, they are pro franco (the dictator who died of old age in spain)

@Learath2 btw here u can see the first party has socialist in the name, well as you can imagine its only a facade

17:54

they pander to the ibex-35 companies all the time

ppl tend to say their opinion much more easily

17:54

(even if its an insult) xd

twitter actually enables one to circle-jerk so easily its fearsome

Deleted User

ppl tend to say their opinion much more easily

Sure but the crowd on twitter and reddit are overly liberal. You cant spend dozens of hours on internet and still think nationalism makes sense

reddit maybe more

17:56

but twitter not sure

If you want to look for a better mix of people it's facebook

didnt feel like it the few times i read there

https://www.rt.com/news/521201-new-zealand-cigarettes-smoking-ban/

New Zealand wants to ban cigarette sales to anyone born after 2004 ...

New Zealand is currently mulling a series of proposals aimed at eliminating smoking in the country, including a radical initiative that would prohibit the sale of tobacco to an entire generation.

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this but everywhere

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PepeA

Facebook has all the way from 70yos to 15yos. Extreme right to extreme left

yep

is facebook not dead in your country yet?

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here nobody uses it anymore xd

@Learath2 https://www.esquiremag.ph/politics/news/china-backs-down-a00293-20210416-lfrm

China Backs Away as Philippines and U.S. Send Impressive Fleet to W...

China's pulled out most of its ships at Julian Felipe Reef.

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world war 3 soon

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justatest

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“Chinese statecraft has contempt for the weak and the naive,” Heydarian told Esquire Philippines in 2020. “But China grudgingly respects those with strategic dignity and courage.”

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lmao

millitary is so much wasted energy

and money

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usa spends trillions

yeah

spain also spends too much

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they buy submarines and then they fail on day 1

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hilarious

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but sad

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https://techstartups.com/2020/05/18/simple-math-error-putting-decimal-point-wrong-place-cost-spains-s-80-submarines-7-year-delay-e2-2-billions-cost-overruns/

Simple math error of putting a decimal point in the wrong place cos...

Back in March, NBC Brian Williams was criticized for a simple math error while discussing Bloomberg on MSNBC. “Bloomberg spent $500 million on ads. The U.S. population is 327 million. He could have given each American $1 million and still have …

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Simple math error of putting a decimal point in the wrong place cost Spain’s S-80 submarines 7-year delay and €2.2 billions in cost overruns

xd

Can the superpowers just relax until I die?

xd

Then they can have their WW3

anyone using FTP?

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https://tools.ietf.org/html/rfc114

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"FTP is 50 years old"

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yoo

i dunno where, but i saw somewhere that even a War between indian countries(or countries around it) could already kill the whole world, bcs of massive dust spreading over the world, just like the meteorite that killed the dinos

Susge

I use sftp sometimes, but not ftp

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I hear most web hosters still use ftp

Deleted User

i dunno where, but i saw somewhere that even a War between indian countries(or countries around it) could already kill the whole world, bcs of massive dust spreading over the world, just like the meteorite that killed the dinos

we should invade both pakistan and india to make sure they don't

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(jk)

@Learath2 usa sure thinks that way

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they are the world "peace makers" but unironically they make wars to do that

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PES_SusThink

those are not wars, those are express peace deliveries

"proxy wars"

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usa loves these

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wars that are really far away from their country

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so its like nothing happens

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but whe someone bombs their city the panick like crazy

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cuz they never even felt they could be attacked

they had one right below our border, usa vs russia, usa left then told everyone turkey was doing a genocide

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I'm very familiar with usa proxy wars

BASED

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@Learath2 btw the US army has a twitch channel and they rly try hard to take gamers in

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its hilarious

wait, really?

they sponsor esports

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a lot

imagine ww3 with helicopters busting fortnite music and american soldiers doing the L on top of the people they kill

twitch chat trolled them

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https://www.insider.com/us-army-twitch-video-game-streaming-users-war-crimes-esports-2020-8

The US Army will resume video game streaming on Twitch following th...

A US Army spokesperson said in a statement that the US Army esports team is reviewing its streaming policies and will unban people from its channel.

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https://www.nytimes.com/2020/07/22/style/army-gamers-war-crimes-first-amendment.html

By Kellen Browning and Taylor Lorenz

Lawyers Demand the Military Stop Violating Free Speech on Twitch

Army and Navy channels banned viewers from their live streams when they asked about war crimes. Accused of censorship, now the Army says it will pause streaming.

we probably should talk about this somewhere else, this is waay too far from #developer

xd

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true

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#lear

it all started bcs of the luca app xD

@Learath2 we shoudl rename offtopic to food and developer to politics

I should make a channel for my random rants about random subjects

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#learath2

i would join

heinrich5991

https://www.ccc.de/en/updates/2021/luca-app-ccc-fordert-bundesnotbremse

this sounds very bad btw, especially with a state funded well developed alternative

i'll ask on tw discord

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@Learath2 that the green party got so many votes is a recent development

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might have something to do with fridays for future, the hot summers we had recently and the spd falling out of favor

and our forests die

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thats acutally something even old ppl dislike xd

haven't seen the forests thing widely discussed

its not only climate change but industry

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meat production and export to china for example costs alot of land

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i often met older ppl saying "in this forest i played as child, now its gone"

it seems like we would really benefit from a #developer-chill chat lol

generally meat is intensive in land consumption xd

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it only says development discussion, not ddnet development XD

ahhh we're talking about land development :D

totally xD

makes sense to me

idk if this is a weird question, but im interested in learning about different aspects of ddnet server and im wondering if anyone could do a short walkthrough of different parts of the code with me (or if that's too complicated maybe just specific topics)

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in vc or not

guess its easier to ask specific questions, tw code isnt really hard but mostly undocumented and sometimes a bit weird

hmmm

maybe i should yeah. i mean its mostly logistical questions not issues with the code

I can identify some components

like where is x, what does y do

first, we have src/base/system.c

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that handles most of the operating system interfaces

then we have src/engine/shared/network*.cpp that handles the low-level network code

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it is used to establish a connection over UDP (usually non-connection-oriented, unreliable)

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higher level code can request a connection (with setup and teardown) or send connectionless packets

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within a connection, you can send "chunks", small packets. these can either be reliable or unreliable

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the chunks are combined into UDP packets and send over the network

im assuming reliable means still UDP but with certain protocol to ensure you get an ack

yes

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reliable chunks are repeated if a packet gets lost

what are some examples of reliable chunks?

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i imagine finishes are

everything except game world updates

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(and player input from the client)

game world update? like switches on/off? (edited)

lynn

i imagine finishes are

you mean actually ingame finishes?

yes

the teeworlds server calculates all movements by itself

ohhh wait i understand

so the server "should" never be in a invalid state like the client can be

there is no networking for the game state from client to server

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only the reverse

yes

including finishes

only inputs go from client to server

makes sense ok

so on top of this is src/engine/server/

and at what point after system.c and network*.cpp does it become more involved with ddrace (edited)

this handles most of the stuff that every game has, but isn't specific to teeworlds/ddnet

so state machine, coordinates, angles

no, not game world yet

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rcon, registering the server with the master servers, handling server info, etc.

i see

it also has a mechanism of synchronizing generic "snapshots" of game worlds

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in src/engine/shared/snapshot.cpp

when is this mechanism used?

it's used by the uppermost layer to synchronise position of tees, weapon projectiles, game info, etc.

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the uppermost layer provides these snapshots

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and the engine layer diffs it against the last snapshot the client has acknowledged

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and only sends the differnece, lowering bandwidth consumption

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these differences are the only packets sent by the server that use the unreliable transmission

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(because they implement reliability themselves)

so the purpose is keeping updates concise

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to client

yes

got it

ah, in 0.6/ddnet also player infos (name, clan, skin, points, ping) are synchronized via these snapshots

i am putting the first message ID in your discord notes so i can read this later xD

in 0.7 name, clan, skin are instead transmitted in reliable messages

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now comes the uppermost layer

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src/game/server

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it handles all the teeworlds/ddnet-specific stuff

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src/game/gamecore.cpp has the shared stuff used for predicting the local tee based on the input the server hasn't seen yet

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src/game/server/gamecontext.cpp is the meta stuff of the game, i.e. chat, votes, chat commands, etc.

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src/game/server/gamecontroller.cpp src/game/server/gameworld.cpp is stuff concerning the actual game

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then in src/game/server/entities/ we find different stuff that can exist in the world

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projectiles, laser, tees, dragger, doors

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one thing i have been wondering about (and you might end up answering this)

this is an optimistic view btw

now connect every single one of these pieces with random pieces of code we added in the last decade of ddrace

what learath2 says

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in src/game/server/score.cpp high-level interaction with the database is handled (edited)

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it's called score because it was originally just the race scores

is that there could be a dependency issue if there are entities game/server/* needs

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but we assume game/server/entities does not change at all right?

interdepending source files aren't a problem in C++

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why do we need to assume that? (edited)

right, well i was wondering if you were to make modifications, what entities are specifically relied on to make sure you dont break the server xd

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i am interested in learning about ddnet server for making game modes, like teeware or fng

define breaking the server

you can modify code in entities as well, especially if you just add effects

like what relationships are mission-critical? if the finish entity logic only runs if a tee actually finishes a map, you could technically not have the entity there or modify it to do something different

if you modify how projectiles fly, that is not going to display correctly in the client

i mostly want to wrap ddrace's existing structure in a safe way

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so that my code is a sort of sandbox from the normal stuff

or if you modify how tees move, that's not going to be predicted correctly for the local tee/in antiping for other tees

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but if it only happens infrequently, that's fine (see e.g. teleporters in DDNet, those aren't predicted)

so i would need to have people use a specific client if i ever did that

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which would ofc be not ideal

other than that, just do whatever you want

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the client doens't interpret any tiles that don't affect physics

so it will just wait for the server in any case

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not wait, but not show the correct state

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i have noticed that things like /points dont work locally (i would expect them to still be available in the local db)

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is it a pretty simple step to get that working?

pf, one day we really should get a stripped down version of ddnet so people can mod easily

like one where all the entities have no behavior, and there's no race logic?

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well, maybe some do, like solid tiles and freeze

@lynn points only work if you manually insert maps into the points table in the db

i see

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so just using a db client

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or is there a tool you use?

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add_map Kobra 4 or something like that

we have a tool

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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-django

ddnet/ddnet-django

Contribute to ddnet/ddnet-django development by creating an account on GitHub.

cool, assuming not open source but would you share? i doubt the cmd is hard

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oh thank you

We have most if not all the parts of our infrastructure open source

@lynn open it with sqlite3 or the mysql client, whichever db you use

good to know

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so even if i think it's like ddnet hq stuff it's probably out there xd

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maybe "hq" is disingenuous :P (edited)

there is only one piece of code that's not open source and that's the antibot

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hq? headquarters?

ya

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yeah that makes sense

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is it too much to ask if the antibot uses some sort of heuristics or if it is pretty deterministic

c) all of the above

xD alright

also, it's only in part our antibot, the most part is written by noby

honestly it's noby's antibot that we just hooked into ddnet and added a couple small things to

that was more what i was wondering, how similar it was lol

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not that i know his code either

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im assuming ddnet-web and ddnet-django are connected somehow? (edited)

no they aren't

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well there is one part, a custom script somewhere that generates thumbnails for the map

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I honestly wouldn't even know where to find it but it should be in ddnet-scripts repo

do you mean my thumbnail tool?

so ddnet-web is the whole site? im just trying to figure out what the django server is for

or do you mean the map screenshots (those are done by hand I think)

other than the points stuff

lynn gonna catfish us to get the inside out of the antibot code! :P

listen, noby loves me but not THAT much

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uwu

but i do agree, a breakdown of the code would be nice. however, just going through the files you can kinda work out what is where etc. just a matter of trying it out rather than just look at a file on github lmao, only way you gonna learn.

yeah i was just looking at random files before and it was intimidating...

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but now i feel like i can have a more pointed approach

if you have more questions, be sure to ask here

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yeah thank you so much for your help actually, i did not expect that and i rly appreciate it (edited)

lynn

that was more what i was wondering, how similar it was lol

fairly similar, ddnet has almost all of the parts related to hook bot+hammer bot + aim bot detection but not the other half that has to do with laser bots specifically

that would make sense

21:25

assuming angles is a large part of that

math everywheree

yes angles are one of the pieces of info it uses

dem triangles ;)

some parts of it use rotating lists of the last x inputs/hooks/etc that matched a given pattern or met certain conditions

im sure this is possible, but what would be cool is analyse player movement, pipe that into a ml pipeline and let it work out what is a bot or not

it would be cool yeah

21:28

giving it samples of known bots and known real players and having it decide the best way to detect bots in realtime

pretty much the same with a spam engine when you get these toxic players using vpns.

i used a very simple equivalent to this when generating some of the antibot checks

it seems sort of simple in theory? but ofc the setup is the hard part

21:29

like fine-tuning what things are more/less bot-like

21:29

and giving a bot score

yeah ofc and need alot of samples really.

yes and providing a good amount of data; tests generated this way are generally very good at detecting specific types of bots but if the way the bot works is changed then it can be less effective

ML is not magic pixie dust

also things like custom mouse distance can throw it off as well

doesnt the only the angle matter?

the samples would need to cover many different types of playstyle/settings and also types of bots

21:30

no

wait i think i understand

angle, cursor position, tee positions, various delays etc

different mouse distance can produce more/less precise angles

think of angle as 1 data point, the more data points you have, the more you are able to formulate a deeper dimension of your data.

well the ones that are only based on angles arent affected by mouse distance

21:31

but some of them use cursor position too

noby giving away the special sauce

ohhh goti t

its hot sauce we getting here

well im not going to actually say what its checking for

i mean anyone could come up with these concepts i feel like

21:32

but coding it is the hard part

also saying the obvious is 1 thing but actual coding it is another

everything i said probably applies to pretty much any type of anti bot system

you could assume an antibot would analyze all input

keyword etc

please don't talk about my parts of the antibot though

@noby

well, as much as you think would be useful to your decision making process

yeah i wont

21:33

+not giving specifics on mine either

21:33

just rough idea

if (bot) { ban(); }

1

if (louis) { nooooouis_alt1

nooooouis_alt1

nooooouis_3

nooooouis_alt2

; }

if (name === Syltoox) ban();

1

sylbot

1

lmao

are there any plans to allow evaluation of setting values in exec

21:35

totally not to store metadata or anything...

21:36

think of it like a calculator. i may want to store a value and use it later in a different bind

not yet, I'm planning to add one to make deepfly binds possible again

there's a PR by ChillerDragon that does that, I didn't like the idea

it might allow players to make very helpful binds, possibly intrusive

@noby u got a github page i can look at?

ye but i use private gitlab repos for all tw stuff

yeah ik that, idc about teeworlds stuff

21:39

just wanna see the things you been working on publicly etc

https://github.com/nobody-mb

nobody-mb - Overview

nobody-mb has 13 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.

also good u put ur teeworlds stuff on gitlab ;)

21:40

not github

why good

21:40

i did because github wasnt offering free private rpos at the time

ah yeah i remember that

soon in next update add feeling pain in DDraceNetwor✌️

when open-source fng mod @noby?

heinrich5991

when open-source fng mod @noby?

its the fng server i had before i rewrote it on ddnet base

but when are you going to open source the new fng?

why would i

honestly idc between gitlab/hub anymore

to give back to the community, allow others to contribute

gitlab quintupled their pricing

21:45

+1 to open-sourcing whatever fng most people use

21:45

besides antibot ofc

and make sure it won't get lost, so others won't have to reimplement in the future

having better cfg scripting would be awesome

21:47

but it would probably introduce more gamebreaking binds

noby goes silent :P

yup my thoughts exactly

21:49

like we cant just have if/else or events despite wanting them, they would break the game wide open

but then more people would host fng without antibot

why should they

21:50

fng2 is open source

they will naturally use the best service, and if you continue to provide the best service, why would they switch

21:50

you need to be confident

u cant expect anticheat to be on every server tho lol

if fng2 is already open source then why does mine need to be

didnt u make a lot of changes?

yeah

bcs u use other code

maybe i see a compromise

not sure if the changes are things anyone else is interested in

source by invitation

yeah

if you trust people not to host without antibot, and they purely want to contribute to the mode / learn how it works

21:53

just invite them

if fng is noby's legacy on ddnet, i can understand why he may not want to share.

well also antibot for ddnet too

but i dont have the full picture here so dont take what i say for certain

maybe thats part of it idk

i would personally want to see the code, not for hosting it but just to learn more about ways people approach game modes

21:54

if you have it in a private gitlab repo i would like to see :D

noby

maybe thats part of it idk

i get u bro, we dont want noby to be lost when things go open source. i think every coder who has code private would feel the same way especially if they worked hard on it.

i mean its basically fng but with mdump

21:55

so even kf its not open source it dont matter much since big part is antibot which cant be

ddnet code base, 0.6+0.7 compatibility,stats,whois,netcode fixes etc

oh yeah that part too

there may be important information to glean from that though

21:56

are there specific netcode fixes that would benefit ddnet?

i already suggested the most important one

21:56

and they already added a better version of it

oh cool

the caching serverinfo replies

dont be a kog and go open source, u in the ddnet tab after all xd

haha

make a pvp tab then

at least partially.. like maybe you can separate all the code you dont want to share

21:57

and put all the public code somewhere

yes replace kog with pvp tab

yeah i agree with that 100%

21:58

or just name it other

21:58

put ALL modes in there

Internet tab?

teeware included

pvp tab for trusted pvp servers/pvp servers hosted by ddnet

actually the 0.7+0.6 fng is pretty good

well i guess teeware is pvp

eh, atleast we have fng2

pvp tab for all pvp modes i think, but maybe a symbol for antibot protection

21:59

not just trusted

I tried to help you strip fng from the antibot stuff a couple times now, but I guess there is more

wowow good ideas

21:59

but how would you detect antibot protection? you must be able to verify the admin

lots of goodies in the bag @Learath2 :P

and not every antibot is created equal, might spark debates on who gets the symbol

I bet he is hiding his porn in there

xd

SPYRES

i get u bro, we dont want noby to be lost when things go open source. i think every coder who has code private would feel the same way especially if they worked hard on it.

well if i ever quit tw id make it open src or at least send it to people who will keep it alive

Learath2

I bet he is hiding his porn in there

shhhh

what if fng is his porn, did you think of that

exposed

no shaming here

can we change fng sac sound btw

@noby that doesn't work. you need to send it to people before

22:00

once you're out, you'll be unreachable

to ninja slash

you dont like the scoreboard sound?

i mean i doubt it would be something instant where one day im playing like normal and the next day im gone forever

hmmm

i assume most people "quitting" just means playing less and less over time

maybe you are being naive in that assumption...

22:01

make dead mans switch in case u od

LOL

already have it

22:02

way to remotely kill the server just in case

22:02

or u mean to release it lol

imagine being assassinated over tw mod source code

both i guess

@noby mind giving me access to your gitlab repo so I can access it once you're gone?

and me once both of you are gone

and me once all 3 of you are gone

heinrich ye probably could do that

hmmm how many people are on this server?

Image attachment

22:04

can never be too safe

doesn't heinrich already have the source to fng anyway?

dont think so

thought he was the one that extracted the antibot

i wonder what happened to savalic feelsbadman

feelsbadman

yes i gave him the antibot i made for bombay

oh wow you don't even trust us?

does kurosio still play?

22:05

i want to ask them about some things

i mean it already had all of the parts that ddnet needs

or if anyone has contact to them

no sense wasting cpu trying to detect bots that noone is going to use on ddrace in the first place

my gitlab username is heinrich5991

noby

well if i ever quit tw id make it open src or at least send it to people who will keep it alive

yes sir, add me to the list coughs :P

22:08

we can have a ceremony like the olympic games, noby passing on the torch

22:08

keeping the flame alive

:D lol

22:08

dont get ur hopes up im not planning on leaving soon :p

ik i was just joking

ye lol

heinrich5991

my gitlab username is heinrich5991

ill add on to the shameless plug, my github username is SPYRESZA but if it requires a gitlab account, i can organise that as well! :P

i plan on making an entities generator, combining different borders/tiles/colors from different entity sets (with permission) in some python app (edited)

22:12

so you can customize your own entities using different images

22:15

but i have to learn about https://pillow.readthedocs.io/en/stable/ again

22:16

and of course the lovely tkinter which looks ugly af

check out pyqt

22:17

looks less ugly

pyqt never worked for me

22:17

and the docs were more confusing

22:17

but maybe i could try again

I did some pyqt apps

22:18

looked quite native, I liked it

making actual applications in python should be made illegal

@noby i wouldnt be surprised if you read journals in your free time around game anti cheats for further inspiration

there aren't many resources on this stuff, no one wants to share their solution

22:19

so it's mostly divine inspiration

@Learath2 what's your alternative?

22:21

I want some native-looking UI

22:21

but prefer some scripting language

this is roughly my idea

22:22

Image attachment

@heinrich5991 depends on what I'm making

Ger1 servers arent shown in the ddnet tab even when u enabled europe, u can see other ger server or nl servers

I would only reach for python for a script

22:23

I'm learning more perl to replace that too hopefully

i should learn zig or nim and use that instead

22:23

to learn more xd

22:25

should discord presence elapsed time reset when the map is changed?

22:25

i notice for learath it's still 2 hours

22:25

maybe i have been just talking that long...

@Learath2 say I'm making a simple interface for handling a stupid web interface so data entry is easier

Knuski

Ger1 servers arent shown in the ddnet tab even when u enabled europe, u can see other ger server or nl servers

I dont know if this answers your question - https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/832218894433255485 https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/832188093363781632 (edited)

@heinrich5991 I'd make a CLI and if it had to be a gui I'd use java

how do I get a native looking UI in java?

or I might make a node project, I love those nowadays

22:26

you can't but jswing isn't too awful

SPYRES

I dont know if this answers your question - https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/832218894433255485 https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/832188093363781632 (edited)

well the ger1 should still be shown in the europe section right?

Its only GER and NLD now from my understanding. GER1 was replaced with NLD and I think GER is the old GER2

hm. native UI is kind of a dealbreaker for me. I don't like this non-native stuff

If I needed native ui I'd go with C++ honestly

imma move my question

yeah cant go wrong with c++ for native. jswing is eww, the fileexplorer as well is not the same when i tried it.

aodq knows a bit about minimal c++ ui

if you want something pretty just use node and make a webpage out of it

now add the one-off requirement, and I'm back at python tbh

yea the fastest way to make anything pretty is just web, which is sad but meh

god I wish python was not awful at dealing with modules, I so seriously want to like it

yea, dependency system is as aweful as C/C++'s

NO

22:30

you link stuff and it works in C++

22:31

I actually contemplate suicide each time I import anything in python

i think its not as bad as what you think lol

22:31

if you want guarantees just use relative imports

why do you need a separate interface for data entry? cant integrate it into the website? @heinrich5991 (edited)

@lynn check out how I generate the 0.7 version of the netmsgs in the ddnet server

wdym data entry

22:32

sec

The amount of pain I had to endure to get those imported properly

where is this?

I actually gave up on the entire project for 3 months because it made me want to break my keyboard in half

you wanted to use the native import statement and not import lib I guess?

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/tree/master/datasrc the seven part

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/ddnet

you only use importlib for hot import stuff

luckily deen figured out some combination of -ms in the cmake command so I didn't have to dig into importlib

https://github.com/hecrj/iced

A cross-platform GUI library for Rust, inspired by Elm - hecrj/iced

22:33

Embedded image

22:33

PepeA

i see the problem here

22:34

it was referencing the module in the previous directory

SPYRES

@noby i wouldnt be surprised if you read journals in your free time around game anti cheats for further inspiration

havent really but would be interested to

I see the problem aswell, it's not rocket science, fixing it is more complex than neurosurgery

this is very c++ python code xD

but whatever, that was a specific case

it is a little annoying yea

I think the problem was that you didn't consider all possibilities there

22:35

I did some weird importing logic in libtw2 for a similar use case

22:35

it was fairly painless

22:35

(using importlib)

22:35

C++ can be just as hard if you're not as much into it as we are

each time I start a python project there are 50 different ways to manage your requirements, a 1000 new ways to structure your project, a billion ways to make virtualenvs

especially cross-platform

Learath2

each time I start a python project there are 50 different ways to manage your requirements, a 1000 new ways to structure your project, a billion ways to make virtualenvs

same with c++

I'd honestly rather work with 8086 assembly then create another virtualenv

nobody forces you to use cmake

22:36

or qmake

22:36

or

22:36

anything

every sane project either uses autohell or cmake

now that is just the same with python

every sane project uses pipenv or something like that

I bet some python proponent would say something similar

22:37

see above

22:38

also, I think meson is another contender @Learath2

https://pipenv.pypa.io/en/latest/

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/2bc420bef8a81093616da7a2eceff40b7fdc9ea7/datasrc/compile.py#L14

def create_flags_table(names):
  return ["enum", "{"] + [f"\t{name} = 1<<{i}," for i, name in enumerate(names)] + ["};"]

22:38

:P

22:38

you probably dont care but i wanted to share

noby

havent really but would be interested to

@noby you should gather the data and create yourself a nice web ui page to get a player break down with various graphs, information and to the point where you can compare players alongside each other - not that you need it, but would be a cool project i guess.

f strings require modern python

22:38

and we run this on some ancient debian iirc

...seriously? f-strings have been around forever

22:39

ahh i see

lol no

i mean yeah but that is barely longer with old style format

They joined the party in Python 3.6.

how long ago was that

2016

jesus christ

thats not old

it is to me xD

by most ppl terms

SPYRES

@noby you should gather the data and create yourself a nice web ui page to get a player break down with various graphs, information and to the point where you can compare players alongside each other - not that you need it, but would be a cool project i guess.

i could still do that, the server logs a line of data everytime someone shoots laser or hooks a tee and i could run the antibot checks after the fact

legacy for the sake of legacy

22:40

i just dont like the argument :P

lol legacy in python means python 2

22:40

xd

not always

22:40

not supported anymore anyway

thats what legacy means most of the time

https://github.com/naftaliharris/tauthon would like to have a word

naftaliharris/tauthon

Fork of Python 2.7 with new syntax, builtins, and libraries backported from Python 3. - naftaliharris/tauthon

no stop

22:40

let it die

22:41

just please kill it

I know you think I'm being unfair to your language of choice but I'm not kidding when I say I'd rather use 8086 assembly

its fine, im super used to python hate

22:42

its veeeeery popular...

as someone who regularly uses java I have a high high hiiiiigh tolerance for garbage in a language

shitting on python is almost like shitting on js

I wasn't feeling unfairly treated ^^

22:42

if you're talking to me

ya idk who anymore

just use rust

22:43

PepeA

i dont rly care what lang people use anymore

ytou should care

22:43

and engage

22:43

in holy wars

22:44

people should use vim, they should use 4 width tabs

22:44

linux

I look at rust before sleeping so it doesn't look ugly to me anymore

monkalaugh

1

as soon as the phrase "real programmers" comes up i stop listening

a few more weeks of this and I'll finally be able to read it without getting confused about the damn return type being on the wrong side

rust is beuty

lol

it makes more sense being -> than on C

there is someone who wanted to implement ddnet server in rust

input -> output

i was going to help but i dont know rust

so the wrong side is C side

yeah i prefer types on the right

u were wrong all this time

22:45

PES_SusThink

as a declaration follows use man the C one is what makes sense to me

i dont understand that sentence

22:46

use man

22:46

?

manual?

declaration-follows-use person*

o

in C "T foo(K bar)" = "foo called with 1 argument of type bar is of type T"

wat

22:47

a function is not of type T

22:47

a function returns a type T

22:48

you read that like "returns type T accepts K

22:48

the other way around

22:48

C got it backwards

22:48

greenthing

C came before, y u flip around decades of convention?

convention doesnt mean its good

22:48

and it can stall progress

22:48

yes

POP3 is also a convention

22:48

IRC is also a convention

rust syntax is way more powerfull than C

POP3 isn't a convention used by hand

does that mean that they're ideal lol

everything is an experesion

@Learath2 C kinda has it backwards though

pascal, maths

wait wait, even better

22:49

SMS :)

@heinrich5991 ik, but why change it when there is no advantage to changing it

22:50

I'm still mad at the languages that took that step

i mean the "advantage" is definitely more subjective, so i understand how you see it

forces me to read code like a dyslexic

@Learath2 u may be left leaning in politics but ur pretty right leaning in programming

right to left to right

at the end of the day

PES_SusThink

really it's bikeshedding

22:51

people talk about it because it's just besides the point xD

22:51

takes away responsibility of actually coding :D

22:52

omg "curly brace" people i hate

22:52

like who cares

22:52

i have someone at work who wont touch any lang that doesnt use braces

22:52

and they're the lead dev

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vvZA9n3e5pc&t=3181s

Stanford Seminar - The Soul of a New Machine: Rethinking the Computer

22:52

BASED

zig and nim are my favourite new languages honestly

same here

22:53

crystal?

rust

nim is python but actually doesn't perform like shit

crystal is just less brainfuck rust

22:53

imo

zig is C but all the things I wanted from other languages added to it

nim also has this syntax

and first class cross compilation support ❤️

I think it reads better for newcomers anyway

does nim emphasize safety? i cant remember honestly

not that i know

heinrich5991

I think it reads better for newcomers anyway

Probably, everyone adopted it, there must be a reason for it

btw zig is not as safe as rust

it was zig that had manual memory management right

22:54

oh ofc

it also makes the lexer prettier

22:54

the parser*

Ryozuki

btw zig is not as safe as rust

Perfect as I hate safety

22:56

a buffer overflow a day keeps the doctor away

and millions of dollars away

22:57

coffee

22:57

destroying capitalism with buffer overflows

ah that's why I'm not a miliionaire yet

22:57

fuck if only I used rust

23:01

honestly I still think the safety of rust comes with way too much brainwork for the developer

@Learath2 it just puts the brainwork when you program

23:02

on c++ u deal with the shit after u realize it segfaults :)

yeah, but I already spend that much brainpower when I'm manually managing the memory

and u will always fail

that's confident

23:03

since you seem to be an oracle can you also tell me the btc price in 10 days?

i agree learath

yep im confident ur c++ or c programs will have leaks and safety errors due to memory

xD

and race conditions

rust does not prevent memory leaks

wow you know all this before I even write a line of code?

BASED

maybe you should be an analyst instead of a dev

Learath2

wow you know all this before I even write a line of code?

im just backed by statistics

23:05

and that human do errors

does this mean that you could have errors

Ryozuki

and u will always fail

but statistics doesn't let you know that I'll always fail

23:05

I'm not completely retarded no matter what some of you think about me lol

they tell me you will most likely fail so

23:06

tbh not just you

23:06

even the most pro programmer

pls say stupid not retarded

oh noes

I've been caught by the language police

not a fan of that word, that's all

he is free to use it

it's a bit pejorative :P

23:07

but meh, lots of people in tw say it

23:07

i always say something but it goes unnoticed xD

I mean I intended it to be pejorative

:(

imagine we are on the level where someone cares about what insult you use on urself

did you know that idiot also used to be a medical term?

twitter is leaking

unless there is a different meaning to pejorative

23:08

isn't it just another word for slur?

i mean if i told you i am a f***** would you also be okay with that lol

ye

that is very strange to me lol

sure I don't care how you refer to yourself

23:09

I'd be very concerned if you used it about someone else though

I guess you're asking about faggot, not something related to fuck?

yes that is the word

kinda hard to make out the word there

i mean it cant be fucking or fucked because they're not nouns

fagott is an instrument

xd

german is leaking

23:10

https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fagott

Das Fagott ist ein Holzblasinstrument in der Tenor- und Basslage mit Doppelrohrblatt.

It's called fagot in turkish

23:10

(the instrument, I bet we stole the word from you)

Fagot in catalan

23:10

Image attachment

ill drop it

@lynn where are you from btw?

usa

i knew it

23:11

Susge

yeah, figured, it seems these words are much harsher over there

burgerland is screwed ngl

well they are used in very derogatory contexts here

23:11

at least historically

faggot for me sounds like nothing, but i guess its more because im not a native english speaker

23:12

also the spanish word for it is maricon

23:12

and nobody takes rly seriously this insult

both the german and englich version of faggot dont mean much to me

both are used negatively here

yeah maybe since we aren't native speakers that's why we don't really see all the connotations behind them

23:13

though I don't have any words in my native language that I'd NEVER utter

no doubt english players still use retard, not to say they should lol

well yes its how you call your buddy when theyre doing something gay u know?

so maybe it's more of a culture thing, there are no banned/taboo words in turkish

here its common to call others "hijo de puta" son of a whore and nobody bats an eye

23:14

BASED

ryozoki calls america burgerland i call catalonia spain troll

troll

exactly the same in german but its one word

amk is common enough in turkish that it infected german

amk? idk that

translate that into english and I'd be banned in many communities

23:15

amk I guess very very roughly translates to "fuck your pussy"

Image attachment

23:15

justatest

i dont want to come across as easily offended, there are just words i prefer not to see/say out of consideration for other people who may be offended

23:15

tranny faggot and retard among these

23:16

and one more which i dont even need to spell out for you lol

lynn

tranny faggot and retard among these

ye among is the worst

amogus

amongus

xddd

lynn first

i win!

23:16

what do i win

Sadge

23:16

aPES3_PetTheAmongUs

i take @Ryozuki 's dev role for 24 hours

23:17

ok that works

i dont understand how some people spend half of their life online and still cant cope with the tone.

i will make a 1 line commit to main ddnet

23:17

then i get dev role

just fix 60 typos like chillerdragon

POG ok

lynn

tranny faggot and retard among these

I don't really avoid words. These are a subset of words that I wouldn't refer to anyone else with, but I won't just remove the word from my vocabulary altogether

to each their own

23:17

idrc

23:18

just love people too much, even the easily offended ones

Im 'corneum

i dont understand how some people spend half of their life online and still cant cope with the tone.

have u seen white girl twitter

23:18

its cus they are in their own bubbles

23:19

just like we are in ours

louis

have u seen white girl twitter

blue hair

I don't mind people who are offended, so is their right, but when completely unrelated people get offended it really confuses me

some people dont realize they're being offensive most of the time

23:19

that's the only reason i do it

i also dont get why everyone is listening to what people on twitter have to say.

it's more of a reminder than me being offended

but why do the offended people just ... man up?

23:20

dont

/j

did you know that if you get reminded to breath you will breath manually for 5 mins

23:21

troll

you're blinking faster

you lost the game

your tongue is touching your mouth

do these work for anyone anymore?

for some reason the tongue one really bothers me

the blinking one gets me

23:23

and the game

you get me

23:23

fag

actually i think im stuck in an endless cycle of losing the game

troll

triggered

why did u tell me your weakpoints now i HAVE to say it

actually you wouldnt say that if i was serious

manual breathing one is the one that catches me

unless you're one of those... trans women arent women types (edited)

@Im 'corneum hey, don't use fag as an insult

it was ontopic

Pepeg

admit it's a bit of an abuse of the context :P

23:25

idc either way but

yeah but how can i resist? you say which words trigger you and then you give me this setup?? cmon

xd

wait did i miss something

no they dont trigger me

23:26

i am sensitive to thme

23:26

em

23:26

for other people, mostly

they can be helpful imo

Learath2

manual breathing one is the one that catches me

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ironic_process_theory

Ironic process theory

Ironic process theory, ironic rebound, or the white bear problem refers to the psychological process whereby deliberate attempts to suppress certain thoughts make them more likely to surface. An example is how when someone is actively trying not to think of a white bear they may actually be more likely to imagine one. "Try to pose for yourself ...

I think this is getting more and more #off-topic. Language development doesn't belong here

lol

https://wiki.ddnet.tw/wiki/Main_Page

DDraceNetwork (DDNet) is an actively maintained version of DDRace, a Teeworlds modification with a unique cooperative gameplay. Help each other play through custom maps with up to 64 players, compete against the best in international tournaments, design your own maps, or run your own server. The official servers are around the world. All ranks m...

23:28

we back on topic

23:28

greenthing

we should make a tw history book. everytime someone remembers a remarkable event in ddnet hiostory we could add it in a timeline from 2013 to now.... i just dont want to do it

23:29

can i tbe on that wiki?

sure

make an account and create a page

might be a good segment for my video actually

tw/ddnet is quite possibly the largest open source multiplayer game out there rn

i plan to have a lot of help with it

23:30

if people are willing

@Learath2 apparently minetest is at least an order of magnitude larger

minetest is kinda crazy

ah, knew I was forgetting a game

its just gonna be hard to get the exact dates from some events. i already forgot when cor exactly finished ddnet

what i remember rn is ddnet closing down, forris cheating the map falling down, milk white nails, ddnet releasing sdl2, aoe vs hi_leute_gll drama

but it doesn't count

lol milk

They don't host their own servers

Ryozuki

what i remember rn is ddnet closing down, forris cheating the map falling down, milk white nails, ddnet releasing sdl2, aoe vs hi_leute_gll drama

those are exactly the type of things i meant

Learath2

tw/ddnet is quite possibly the largest open source multiplayer game out there rn

wat

23:31

thats hard to believe lol

I remember the night we spent till 4am to handle the damn konsti paying the persian hoster to inject ranks thing

xdd

@Learath2 lichess? ^^

sp someone changing the whole wiki to deen is **

now lichess would count, damn

lichess best

that's a good one

oh or that sp someone hash collision map troll

fun fact, i actually only started talking to noby because of sp someone (edited)

proud lichess user

Image attachment

because of https://tee.world

dont waste it here gogo make the timeline

https://steamdb.info/app/1127400/graphs/

Mindustry · AppID: 1127400

An open-ended tower-defense game with a focus on resource management. Mindustry Steam charts, data, update history.

yeah mindustry too

mindustry is good game

same order of magnitude as DDNet, but a bit lower

inb4 ryozuki talks about factorio right about now

if someone makes a doc for the timeline i would appreciate it

23:33

cus i could use that as a reference

factorio isn't open source

a list is too simple imo

https://lichess.org/contact#help-buy this is a very respectable position

Contact • lichess.org

Free online chess server. Play chess in a clean interface. No registration, no ads, no plugin required. Play chess with the computer, friends or random opponents.

23:34

especially at their size

btw i was planning on doing a history of teeworlds vid so ur vid better be history of ddrace only >:(

https://lichess.org/contact#help-monetize

Contact • lichess.org

Free online chess server. Play chess in a clean interface. No registration, no ads, no plugin required. Play chess with the computer, friends or random opponents.

oh i see

23:34

well it wouldnt be mostly about history

23:34

about the community, game, why people should play

anyone ever got in touch with magnus auvinen? kinda wanna ask some questions

oh right

but i want the intro to be a bit of history

23:34

like most vids about games

Im 'corneum

anyone ever got in touch with magnus auvinen? kinda wanna ask some questions

"why is ur code so dogcrap"

lichess entire spendings are public

I really like the lichess project, a true reflection of what open source collaboration can achieve

68514 players

23:35

I think we still have some way to go

did the donations pick up with the steam release?

lichess is good but i feel like its easier to succeed as open source since its just chess

i am actually surprised server cost is already almost met and it's only april

23:35

people are backing this game a lot too

also there was that chess boom on twitch/youtube

doesnt konsti donate lots of money sometimes? i think konsti has some dodgy business going on.

@lynn wait until deen adds the new NLD server there :d

23:36

that one costs a fortune compared to the rest of our inventory

the prediction margin line has never been as flat as on nld

ahh

23:37

yeah that's true

Konsti has donated a lot in the past

23:37

but I think it was well within range of someone with an actual job

@Im 'corneum gogo https://wiki.ddnet.tw/wiki/Timeline it needs timestamps im p lazy rn

Oh another ddnet history event was the long painful process of removing RayB

how do i add stuff

Learath2

Oh another ddnet history event was the long painful process of removing RayB

what was that

23:38

also add botters

RayB, jao and Welf used to be the 3 testing leads

RayB was the test leader and he had a war against jao iirc

would be epic if some admins would write insider info on old topics there

Im 'corneum

how do i add stuff

register

RayB was only testing his and his testing teams maps

what's Milk white nails?

oh heinrich missed it

the video

23:38

xd

see this timeline is already proving useful

credit me in case its going big

@heinrich5991 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oLr6rbyNC2A

miA — 03:17 — With shotgunfly! (Mouse + Keyboard cam)

17.4.2020 bigbrain im corneum invents the timeline

23:39

ye

https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?p=30318

i like that

discussion here

those are some very white nails

2016 a legend louis starts teeworlds troll

troll

ok so what's wrong with these white nails?

waaiiiit, milk was a she?

23:41

I guess I was kind of away from tw when she was playing

bro

makes sense that I missed it

read it xd

bro

23:41

its a he

he was drunk and pranked

he was drunk

lol

ez sarcasm bait

that's even funnier

o nvm

23:41

you were serious

the vid is worth tho

23:41

he is real pro

23:41

BASED

So the top 2 people in DDNet points are girls, ok. Maybe we should ask BumM if he's a girl too.

there are actually some pretty average female players on USA

there are no girls on the internet

lol

oh come on

https://ddnet.tw/players/Allnie/

23:43

no brutals finished...

23:43

eheh

i only believe what i see so they better start sending some nudes

I guess I can confirm that mysfox is a lass, but that's only because we met

23:43

no other way to know

using a girl name and a pink skin is 2 clicks away

i have like 2 brutals done :(

23:44

wait jk 1 (edited)

23:44

usa is allergic to brutal though so i never get to play with anyone

zelda has a lot of points, no?

spelled like that?

forris falling down: https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?t=1759

zelda. iirc

points rank 81

heinrich5991

So the top 2 people in DDNet points are girls, ok. Maybe we should ask BumM if he's a girl too.

i am not

yes you are

just say uwu

23:45

people will believe you

uwu

23:45

actually my name is a bit girly

23:45

weeb weeb

just change your name 4head

peeposhy

like... kaitlyn for example

https://github.com/Daniel-Liu-c0deb0t/uwu I started using this and now my friends won't talkt to me

Daniel-Liu-c0deb0t/uwu

fastest text uwuifier in the west. Contribute to Daniel-Liu-c0deb0t/uwu development by creating an account on GitHub.

23:46

what do I do?

uwu them

utf-8 is handled elegantly by simply ignoring non-ascii characters in the input

my favourite way to handle it aswell

lynn

there are actually some pretty average female players on USA

xiao

monkalaugh

2

23:48

best fng player xd

Are there any chinese insane finishes yet I wonder

yes but by Lwai

23:50

on Ravillion

https://lichess.org/ewZef4ZM

Rapid (10+8) casual Chess • Challenge from Ryozuki (931?)

Join the challenge or watch the game here.

23:51

PepeA

meh, I even bothered writing the query but it was only Lwai indeed

Anonymous

guys nameless tee is such good player, how they get so good?

nameless tee is the best and the worst plays longest and also shortest

23:53

what an absolute legend

ye

23:53

insane allrounder

Ryozuki

@Im 'corneum gogo https://wiki.ddnet.tw/wiki/Timeline it needs timestamps im p lazy rn

add steam rls

refresh

23:58

who i am playing against btw¿

23:58

PepeA

ddnet not tw

add it

23:58

register

23:58

im playing chess against anonymous

23:58

justatest

you can only loose

nein

probs against nameless tee

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