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Between 2021-04-12 00:00:00Z and 2021-04-13 00:00:00Z

Deleted User

if someone is interested, setup takes around 2 minutes(does not work on Intel GPUs): https://gist.github.com/Jupeyy/ca2ac80fb9765a9c4370bb9a6b88fb32

What exactly are the advantages to doing that and are there any disadvantages?

08:32

like in general

@Romeo Yes, advantages are, much better integration into windows bcs dx12 is from Microsoft. And they don't care about opengl. That's why the print key on your keyboard will work or the alt tab thing. Disadvantage is, since this is relatively new it still doesn't perform as good as the native drivers from amd and nvidia. But it's already very good and maybe worth a try. I could also imagine the dx12 drivers to work better in general, so no fps drops or stuff (but no garantuee)

i use 2 monitors now and switch between them a lot using alt+tab, any way to bind al+tab to demote zzz without losing the power of being able to swap between apps?

i assume that work work with bind alt+tab, or is teeworlds "slower" than the window manager

11:52

on linux it works

11:52

bind alt+tab say test

11:52

says test before swapping the app

@Deleted User i didnt really understood what u meant but what im saying is on windows alt+tab is used to switch between apps especially if in full screen. now id like to bind in ddnet so that every time i press alt+tab the zzz emote pops up and i switch the apps, but i know from the other windows bind, if u bind them to somethign in game they wont work. is there any way i can do it?

ab.com

@Deleted User i didnt really understood what u meant but what im saying is on windows alt+tab is used to switch between apps especially if in full screen. now id like to bind in ddnet so that every time i press alt+tab the zzz emote pops up and i switch the apps, but i know from the other windows bind, if u bind them to somethign in game they wont work. is there any way i can do it?

i can only repeat what i say, you can bind on alt+tab as i said

12:31

if the window manager of windows unfocuses the window before the bind goes through it wont work

ok

i tested it locally on linux and there it works, bcs alt tab is integrated better

12:31

so just do bind alt+tab say test in f1

12:31

if it says "test" in chat

12:31

you can also bind emote

12:32

else not

oof, it dont wokr as i guessed, it works with alt+o but not wiht alt+tab, understandibly

12:36

@Deleted User ddent wont let tab to be bound

nothing with tab in it or tab alone works

but thats a windows thing really

jah

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12:38

the sorry is the bind

12:39

maybe it works with directx xDDDD

12:40

normally alt tab is just some overlay, so theoretically it could be implemented without unfocusing the window

12:40

which would allow the bind to work e.g. i can also move the mouse

alt tab shows which windows u have open and its super fast, ddnet cant play the bind before the tab works

it also fast for me

12:41

it just is "only" a overlay in linux

12:41

it doesnt minimize nor unfocus the window

12:41

so i can move the mouse while also alt+tab between the apps, just like in the screenshot

well this is windows the best cough cough "shitest"

it might just be the opengl integration

i can move the mouse too but it wont work

ah ok

12:42

then rip xD

jah

but now im curious, i'll test the directx out, maybe it does things different xd

Let’s code a new vulkan and directx backend

12:44

Maintaining gl1 gl2 gl3 dx and vk

for me it minimizes the whole app in windows

12:44

so its not really an overlay, more like a context switch

12:45

also cant move the mouse ingame while i do alt+tab

12:45

so its implemented completly different

Learath2

Let’s code a new vulkan and directx backend

yeah directx xD they use left hand coordinate system

12:46

i am always confused af, bcs i learned right hand in school xD

12:46

but actually u just need to swap a achsis

Really? What were they even smoking??

i mean in us they also use other metrics

12:47

so assuming it was made in us

12:47

xDD

Actually wait, isn’t gl also left handed in the screen space?

you mean NDC?

Wait isn’t gl left handed everywhere actually? Positive z is towards the screen, no?

i mean in the end, if u control the shader u can do anything

12:49

well use ur hand to see

12:49

my middle finger goes towards me xd

12:49

and that is the z achsis

You sure?? z would be towards you in right handed coords not left handed

yes

Your thumb is the result of the cross product, not your middle finger

no

12:52

i learned it with middlefinger

Huh, I guess they teach it differently, at the very least wikipedia agrees with me

ur first sentence is correct

12:53

z is towards u

12:53

just as my middlefinger xd

12:53

in right hand

12:53

u hold ur hand as u look at the inside of ur hand

12:54

Embedded image

12:54

thats how i learned it

Okay, but z would be towards you in right handed coords, I think gl uses z towards the screen

12:54

Isn’t higher z deeper in the screen?

legacy opengl uses z like in the image

12:55

with shaders u can ofc do anything u want

12:55

u are right about NDC tho

12:55

normalized device coordinates

12:55

they are left handed

12:55

thats why u flip z coordinate there

Okay, and in dx they do the opposite?

yes

12:55

but ofc DX has math tools

12:56

i mean direct 3d is the renderer directx is actually just a helper thing for the math

12:56

but u just say dx nowadays

You know what’s even more annoying? Some people prefer to have z as height, especially math people

12:57

I usually think in terms of depth because I’m more used to it. So whenever I sketch something in calculus people immediately tell me it’s wrong

yeah, i think blender does it xd

12:58

i wrote a python script, but luckily blender also offers easy math to swap all the coordinates as u want them xd

And most math ppl also seem to prefer to work with left handed coords

not impossible that it is like that in other countries

12:59

but i rarely used left hand

In turkey we used left handed coords with z pointing up. Same in class material from my multivar class here in italy

yeah insane xd

13:01

opengl also uses column major, so you have to transpose all your row major stuff xd

Okay wtf? Who decided that was a good idea?

newcomers

Kappa

I don't know a single language implementation that would store their multi dimensional arrays column major

doesnt python do it too xd

13:04

i dunno

13:04

its all very confusing anyway

I think cpython uses row major aswell

oh ok

Though I guess you can have a conforming implementation either way

I learned this hand thing in highschool when we lernt electronagnetic fields iirc

13:23

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Right-hand_rule

Right-hand rule

In mathematics and physics, the right-hand rule is a common mnemonic for understanding orientation of axes in three-dimensional space. Most of the various left-hand and right-hand rules arise from the fact that the three axes of three-dimensional space have two possible orientations. One can see this by holding one's hands outward and together, ...

13:23

PES_ElonMusk

justatest

feelsamazingman

Why are teeworlds and ddrace network are different titles? I'm guessing the parkour stuff was added with ddrace but it has the content from teeworlds too?

do you really need tricks to remember 3 axis?

@AKayra Yes, we added more functionality for DDNet, but kept compatibility with Teeworlds 0.6

Ravie

do you really need tricks to remember 3 axis?

You can get confused which is force magnetic field and current for example in physics

deen

@AKayra Yes, we added more functionality for DDNet, but kept compatibility with Teeworlds 0.6

Nostalgic reasons?

Traditionally our community came 100% from Teeworlds, so it was nice to keep everything working in 1 client

Ravie

do you really need tricks to remember 3 axis?

It's a trick to remember the direction of the cross product, it's always perpendicular but it's sign depends on convention

Now after the Steam release this is no longer so true, and Teeworlds has also moved on to version 0.7, which we are not compatible with

Okay thanks

we have shotgun and ninja, how do we get through?

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ninja

16:10

btw the more speed u have before u dash with ninja, the more you'll go

16:10

so maybe swing into ninja and you'll make it

louis

btw the more speed u have before u dash with ninja, the more you'll go

oh thats a new fact

well it's not technically correct but basically you'll have the speed you had before at the end of the dash

16:12

idk how it works actually but that's the basic gist

jaouis

Hey, im currently working on a map and wanted to ask if someone is up for testing some parts? (edited)

Hey i have a question how can i submit a skin ?

Skurt NapeZ

Hey i have a question how can i submit a skin ?

message @louis or @Ravie

i can send them in private ?

yes

is there any way when i do /showothers to just see my team not everyone

18:26

not spec

For what are the black variants in a skin?

outline behind the tee

hi, i have a little issue, i got a timeout from other player (he had to leave) and heis back now, how i give him back his timeout code (on my dummy) without give him my main tee, my tee and my dummy has different timeout codes?

Also, can you replace the existing sound files? If yes, are there any specifications to it?

yes

19:33

"Where is the ddnet config, config directory or save directory? On Windows you can simply press the windows key + R and type %appdata%/Teeworlds On Linux it is in ~/.teeworlds On macOS it is in ~/Library/Application Support/Teeworlds Inside the settings_ddnet.cfg file will be your configurations/settings. The config directory can also be used as data directory to replace skins or other files, without modifying the client's data directory (note: it has the same directory structure as the data directory)" source (https://wiki.ddnet.tw/wiki/FAQ)

19:34

so basically, add an "audio" directory inside the config directory and there go the audio files

19:35

these are the original ones https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/tree/master/data/audio you also need wavepack files and i think they need to be 16bit per sample

Thanks

@murpi

20:07

can you look here for a second please?

yes?

i am in general chat

20:09

i mean voice chat

20:09

i will ask somethings about application

just dm me privately if you have questions

thx

1. What is the dummy server type? 2. What happened to teeworlds?

hi @Fracix

20:42

1. If you're refering to ddrace, it's a cooperative gamemode in which players have to finish a custom map by racing all the way to the finish line

20:43

2. teeworlds can still be found on steam: https://store.steampowered.com/app/380840/Teeworlds/

I know teeworlds is on steam, this is where i found the game but why the teeworlds servers are so dead?

are they? I haven't played on 0.7 in quite some time

When i open teeworlds there are like 2 capture the flag servers and 2 deathmatches, that's all

Ah, you probably have to adjust the server filter then

20:47

or you could stick with us, ddnet is way cooler anyway

I wonder why the whole ddnet thing happened and how it was created. Is teeworlds some public source i dont know? (edited)

both ddnet and teeworlds are open source

Oh makes sense

ddnet is really teeworlds with more features for ddrace, and at some point wasnt really up to date to teeworlds anymore

Exactly

so if you just play vanilla or mods based on vanilla you'll have a nice client with teeworlds, but if you prefer to play ddrace you probably prefer ddnet

What is the ddnet's release date?

2013

20:50

2013, but ddrace was there before

20:50

teeworlds is really very old

20:50

2007

Oh really

20:51

I was playinf teeworlds back in 2017 when i found it on steam and liked it, then i found it in maybe 2019 or 2020 and i thought its new (edited)

20:52

I hate phone typing

yeah ddnet was just relased on steam last year, but most of the teeworlds community knew it

Ohh

but since the steam release there are really alot of new players

Like me

ddrace started as just a mod that worked in the teeworlds client but now ddnet has its own client iirc

you can still play with 0.7 on ddnet servers

20:53

you can play vanilla 0.6 on ddnet too

but not 0.7 :(

yea

My friend kajxqeirscl was asking for game to play and i said ddnet, he got really really addicted to it lol

try other modes too

20:54

there is a lot to love about the game for anyone really

thats true, there are really alot mods

20:54

and most are even open source

i generally tell people "i play teeworlds" because i do a lot more than just ddrace

so they never really die out, bcs everyone can host them

20:55

i think most ppl say they play teeworlds instead of ddnet

i plan on making a video for youtube called "teeworlds: the best game you've never played" and try to introduce the community and why the game is great, hopefully then more people will join usa

sounds nice ^^

I wonder how rankinf system works

i want a lot of people to talk in the video so it seems more lively

https://ddnet.tw/ranks/ should explain most

20:56

the points calculation

are you confused about rank/teamrank? there is a set of rules for which ranks score points

I beated a novice map once in this month and it was my first time even tho i had the game for 1 year already and had 224k points with 3 points?

@Deleted User how many of the devs are usa?

And my friend had like 80k points with 25 points

or even NA

lynn

@Deleted User how many of the devs are usa?

i've no idea if there are any tbh. there are gdin and louis that help alot tho

i figured that, thanks

or helped(for gdin)

im not dev justatest

justatest

you're savvy

20:58

have a savvy role

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/graphs/contributors

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/ddnet

well i make stuff for ddnet but i dont code lol

if you know any name of a USA player, he'll be one noby maybe did something for ddnet

20:59

atleast anti bot system probably

@louis is comfort still by-nc-sa 3?

20:59

i want to make a modification of it

how did someone whos not a mod managed to find peoples ip?

ya basically anything of mine for teeworlds is whatever license is the most free to use

ab.com

how did someone whos not a mod managed to find peoples ip?

if u run a server, you can get ips of people who refresh the internet tab

is client traffic even encrypted at all?? i wouldnt think it is

and what if ur just a normal player? is that some sort of "cheat" then?

hm

21:01

oh no you shouldn't (?) be able to find the ips of specific players

21:01

although i know you can grab the ips of general players who refresh the tab, but you can't line them up to who they are unless they join the server

21:01

idk much abt it

i think they're asking if the capability is there (ie. custom client that uses all the info from packets)

so is it legal or not to somehow find out peoples ip? or their specific"code"

21:02

im asking cause i met someone who knew exactly evyerones "ip" and left after i asked, u tracking ip?

when you play teeworlds, you agree to the conditions of the game, which includes someone potentially knowing your ip

ab.com

im asking cause i met someone who knew exactly evyerones "ip" and left after i asked, u tracking ip?

did he provide proof or was he just bsing

u really shouldnt ask for "legal" in the niternet.. there are always ppl that do stuff but its nothing special that a server knows ur IP

it's not illegal for people to know your ip

the ip is like the your name in the internet, so the server can contact you back

but is it legal for non admins of server to just know ur ip, as in ddos, boting is nt "legal" in ddnet so is it the same for that

they cant

21:03

they got it somewhere else

oof, that fucker seemed like it did, thats why i was so shocked

21:04

never seen him again

i dont think there's anything like AGPL that protects against this?

1

21:05

either way i doubt it's a question of if it's legal

as in so would he be kickked....

u can be banned for ddos threats but if it's someone just saying "i have your ip" when they don't, then just ignore them

in theory every website you visit could ddos you, so this isnt really teeworlds specific ^^

i get that louise my question is , if someone was cought beign able to see everyoens ip, what would happen? ban/

idk a security patch xd but thats not possible if they dont own the server (edited)

@ab.com careful with the word legal, im now assuming you mean "legal in ddnet" and not legal in law

21:07

since you said that above

lynn yeah...

they are two very different things xD

ab.com

i get that louise my question is , if someone was cought beign able to see everyoens ip, what would happen? ban/

well he got it, bcs you contacted his server, so there is nothing ddnet can do

i mean random player joins server, not server admin, knows everyones ip, is it legal in game to not irl for him to do that, would he get banned?

that's kinda a specific question

21:09

it's not happened so who knows, but if they have malicious intent then most likely yes

i mean, imo if they KNEW the ip they would be using a custom client, which breaks a different rule, so yes??

Cactus

is there any way when i do /showothers to just see my team not everyone

Yes, /showothers 2

a custom client doesn't help you know IP addresses

They could also just start their own server and know ur ip

he either has some kind of man in the middle access or you connected to his server

k

and btw the first is very unlikely, especially for alot of connections

i really dont know how the netcode worked, i just assumed a different client could act as a server somehow and send a request that normally returns an ip address, but maybe my idea of the code is too simple xD

imagine it like a website, do you know who else is connected to it?

21:28

the server ofc knows

i should really learn more about the netcode and not just game state

21:30

is there a way to show favorites first but still use the internet tab? i want to see my friends no matter what tab im looking at, so that would just be the internet tab, but then it isnt sorted favorites first

there is a friend list

21:31

you can double click the name if he's online

that's what i meant though, if im looking at my favorites i will only see players that are connected to those servers right? not from servers not in my favorites

yeah that would only work in the internet tab, if you need all servers

yeah, just wondering if it would be possible to add a favorite sort

21:33

or just option "Sort favorites first"

but arent ur favorites in the internet tab?

21:33

i mean switching between both isnt too hard is it?

:P

21:34

best layout for me would be favorites by players + ping sort, then non-favorites by players + ping sort (or by name)

21:35

1 list

i guess if somebody would implement it well, it might gets accepted xd

im so picky that i think eventually i would just want manual sort xD

21:37

so not worth worrying about

21:37

i would love to be able to position my servers first, then ddnet usa (and kog usa), then friends servers, then ddnet can, jp, kor, etc (edited)

21:38

heh, i can get my friends to agree to name their servers so the sort works

i mean suggestions are always good, its really a matter of defining what is considered useful, else software gets bloated at some point and then nobody knows why something doesnt work, bcs its alot of work to debug/read the code paths etc.

ofc yes... being a dev myself i know that all too well

21:49

but not system/game dev, just web

lynn

i mean, imo if they KNEW the ip they would be using a custom client, which breaks a different rule, so yes??

If you dont feel confident about your real IP being shown, just pay for a VPN service I guess and use 24/7 (but again ddnet I think blocked VPNs). But every where you go, even your own ISP, you form part of the data gathering monopoly.

oh im not worried about my IP :P idc

yes, we ban vpn usage to prevent people to circumvent ip bans

22:24

only reasonable way since we have no accounts

does anyone have a .demo of flux 2?

how do I take the command to switch colors?

it's in settings_ddnet.cfg in your config directory

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