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Between 2021-04-11 00:00:00Z and 2021-04-12 00:00:00Z

is there an accepted way to offer bounties for fixing issues?

03:43

or just, idk +1 issues

Literally no one's getting paid for contributing to ddnet

doesn't mean they can't be

03:58

there's a particular issue i would like to offer a bounty for

No one will care to pay you to fix something

03:59

Since they get nothing out of it

04:00

People fix stuff for fun

04:00

No one's doing it as a profession here

i think hes saying he'll pay someone to fix an issue m88

But that's just more weird

not rly

uhhhhhh alright anyway

04:01

ill post the issue

04:01

and she! but its ok

I'm used to calling everyone he on the internet my bad

nono not you, louis :P

04:02

and louis,, you know me ingame xD

okay

Iza

But that's just more weird

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open-source_bounty "Bounty driven development is one of the Business models for open-source software. The compensation offered for an open-source bounty is usually small. "

Open-source bounty

An open-source bounty is a monetary reward for completing a task in an open-source software project.

04:03

i dont want to spur an off-topic discussion about this, but it's a thing :D

Do you want to get your own code fixed?

no, it's not my code. ddnet client

But why do you want to pay someone for it?

04:04

Does the problem bother you that much?

because.. i care about it being fixed? xD

04:04

yes

04:05

i don't mind paying someone for their time. despite everyone working for free, getting paid to fix things people care about is a way to show support

04:05

one sec ill post the issue

04:05

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3706

Changes don't apply when setting 'cl_assets_entities' · Issue #3706...

version 15.3.2 Running the command with no value will output the current setting, and running the command with a specific value will highlight the correct option in the assets GUI menu, but the cha...

04:06

offering 10 usd zelle/paypal to anyone who can fix this :D

04:07

i will likely try to contribute to other github issues personally, but we will see

People would've probably done it for free if you'd make people aware enough of it

it would be cool to see this working honestly

04:09

my personal motivation is a bind that toggles my entities (between different entities, not on/off), pretty much the only use case i can think of, but a good one (edited)

Sounds like you only play with entities on

it depends. if i need to focus on finishing a map / if a map's tiles are too distracting i use them

04:11

let's not talk too much about that here though ^^

Nice

[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

c858e2a A Qianye - ddnet-maps

Qianye seemed cool but i rq

Iza

But that's just more weird

i dont think its weird at all

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

03597b9 Add 150 € donation by Gorden - def-

poggers

big pog

poggers

11:49

Damn hes challenging me

no chance @ᶰ°Konͧsti

i gave more

12:13

monkalaugh

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3769 Add console chain for assets

& reload current asset on reload button click

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://gith...

@lynn https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/actions/runs/738203698 here you can download your client

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/ddnet

12:57

@Chairn Hey, I am just curious, the stackoverflow question about the nvidia thing explicitly asked for directx, maybe using that client with NvOptimusEnablement(which kinda also is a nightly anyway) and trying the GL to dx12 works there? would be worth a try

i tried and it didn't work

Learath2

@TsFreddie have you surpassed us in technology? ;P

what

13:07

oh, my bot parse the entire ddnet.tw/players page justatest

justatest

Probably a better approach ngl

i also kinda made a api out of ddnet.tw before making the bot

13:08

so the bot is calling the api instead of parsing the page itself

Makes sense and do you cache in your api?

ye

Yeah I guess we should start exposing this data from ddnet.tw instead of having the bot have its own db

if you can have a straight up json api, that would be nice

I'm looking into it

13:10

Image attachment

I have exactly 1 hour,not sure whether to spend it looking into the bot thing or finishing up my pr that has been a draft since ages

pr. i've decided for you. do it now. stop chatting

Chairn

i tried and it didn't work

i'll try to staticly link nvapi then, maybe that works xd

TsFreddie

Click to see attachment 🖼️

wow looks cool af

uuuh our storage system really needs work, the current way it's set up is actually quite me

13:18

h

13:18

starting ddnet with currentdir being data actually breaks quite a lot

13:19

the heuristic lookup for datadir is also ugly

13:19

ideally we should only look for data in the same directory as the binary

13:19

and datadir should be special

@Chairn so the linker output said it proceeded the NVAPI library, so its atleast aware of it, but im not really sure if thats actually enough or if it has to be traded for the OGL lib, but the stackoverflow thing also isnt very verbose on that xD Maybe MSVC linker just works like that xD https://github.com/Jupeyy/ddnet/actions/runs/738290193

TsFreddie

Click to see attachment 🖼️

wtf

14:47

what is that activity chart

uh, @heinrich5991 how do we fix style now? been a while since I did any ddnet stuff

scripts/fix_style.py (edited)

15:37

@Learath2 ^

15:37

but the trick is never doing that and still passing check-style

real programmers!

There are some things I disagree with clang-format when it comes to style :P

15:43

@heinrich5991 I'd be really grateful if you could take a look at my PR, especially the concurrency part in CUpdater

concurrency? you love making me cry, huh?

@Learath2 btw is the pr planned to check the whole files every startup?

it checks the whole data directory every startup

AFAIK yes

it's pretty quick but you can disable it if you want to save a couple ms

i just wonder if thats sane

15:44

instead of checking modify time or smth

if you're loading the files from the data dir anyway, it's not much of a difference

oh fix_style is making some weeeeird changes to files I didn't even touch

clang-format 10 please

well parts*

heinrich5991

if you're loading the files from the data dir anyway, it's not much of a difference

yeah but arent u loading like only 50% of it

idk, tell me

maps, language files etc.

15:47

are not loaded

I'd really rather not rely on the filesystems timestamps for this

15:48

it's already very quick and async

maps & translation are 1.5 out of 33.7 MB

yeah

or 54 out of 692 files

15:49

doesn't seem to be worth it to exclude

sha256 is also pretty darn performant

tell that the potato computers

all of the time will be spend on IO

yeah probably

and it's 1.5 out of 33.7 MB or 54 out of 692

If anyone has a shittier computer feel free to give it a go

I probably have the worst machine out of you all

15:51

that I still develop on, idk even why

if there is no reason to upgrade, dont do it xd

speed

uh even with clang-format-10 this is touching many things I haven't even touched

hm. have you reset it to the start before running clang-format-10? (careful, don't erase your actual changes!)

yeah I did a git reset --hard HEAD

hm

15:55

can you send an example of what clang-format 10 changes?

@Learath2 can it also check like if the integrity was ever executed? E.g. it could be useful for android to copy everything from the .apk data

15:56

but that only happens at updates or first time setup

ah, I figured it out

Deleted User

@Learath2 can it also check like if the integrity was ever executed? E.g. it could be useful for android to copy everything from the .apk data

Not sure I get the question, what do you mean by "integrity was ever executed"?

15:58

this is a very simple pr btw, at compile time it goes thru all data files to generate a list of shas, at launch it goes thru all data files to check the shas

e.g. u have a hash for all files once the check is executed it creates a hash with all files too(ofc they match) and when there is an update you can easily do a check before loading client data

15:58

ok

I think in general CStorage needs a rather large rework

we defs need a explaination that you can store your modifactions inside the config directory, tho nobody will understand it and ask here xD

@heinrich5991 the changes in CUpdater also should fix the many weird intermittent bugs we get with the updater

Deleted User

we defs need a explaination that you can store your modifactions inside the config directory, tho nobody will understand it and ask here xD

The Restore Files button will happily move it for them if they insist on not learning where the files are supposed to go

oh thats nice

ah if there are only extra files and modified files the popup won't close but I'm out of time today, so that'll have to stay for tomorrow

@heinrich5991 i have the worst pc

okay, battle

16:04

what CPU do you have?

xD

16:04

he has opengl 1.x only pc

@Deleted User I think I asked before but can you think of a way to isolate a ui element on all gl versions we support? I want to dim the entire screen except for one "thing"

16:05

The best I could come up with was to render everything once, render a dark overlay then render the "thing" on top

cant u just render a fullscreen half transparent dark quad and then render ur ui stuff

The point is that the ui stuff is already something we render, I'm basically trying to highlight some ui elements

16:08

I was looking to avoid the double render

so you want to integrate it directly into the "normal" code?

16:09

you can do stuff like that

Yeah sort of, but I think without gl3 it's not possible for me to render a dark overlay with a shape

with stencil buffer

yeah no stencil buffers before 3.3, no?

they should exists since ever

oh really?

well since 2.0 yes

16:10

but before not sure, but i assume yes

Hm I'd need to "render" the mask into a stencil buffer, right?

you render your whole screen with stencil enable, then render ur ui element with a different stencil mask then render a fullscreen transparent dark quad everywhere, where stencil has a specific value

hm, I guess it doesn't really save me any hassle, I still need to render the "thing" twice

so its not really twice, its just working with, what the stencil is designed for

16:13

e.g. every pixel renders a 0 into stencil, except your ui element

16:13

so the quad just renders everywhere, where pixel is equal to 0

aah I see what you mean

16:14

hm, I really doubt gl1 has stencil buffers though

16:15

nvm, it does

16:15

huh

i think opengl doesnt really make any kind of garantuee that the GPU has to support stencil buffers, atleast not in older versions. But i doubt these GPUs exists? XD

16:17

i mean 1994 there defs was a different situation or whenever gl 1.x was released xD

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18:17

@Learath2 uwu ^

18:17

c89

18:18

uwu

Yeah, where did you get it? IOCCC?

https://www.reddit.com/r/ProgrammerAnimemes/comments/mldp9j/obfuscated_uwuifyer_in_145_bytes_of_c_just_found/

r/ProgrammerAnimemes - Obfuscated uwuifyer in 145 bytes of C (just ...

617 votes and 22 comments so far on Reddit

18:18

leddit

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AYAYA

Ayaya

@Learath2 https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/mbq0nv/uwuify_fastest_test_uwuifier_in_the_west_simd/

r/rust - uwuify - fastest test uwuifier in the west: simd vectorize...

693 votes and 105 comments so far on Reddit

18:19

even better

18:19

uwuify - fastest test uwuifier in the west: simd vectorized and multithreaded command-line tool for text uwu-ing at the speed of simply copying a file

18:19

made in rust

Ryozuki has a Rust fetish

doesn't everyone?

no pretty sure it's only ryo :P

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

27a5beb remove one Staff & Contact link on ddnet.tw - def-

@PopCorn181 @heinrich5991 where are your pc stats?

I asked first :p

I used to run a TW server on a 500 MHz AMD Geode LX800: https://www.alix-board.de/produkte/alix1e.html But no GPU to play on

21:31

It was awkward to use since the CPU doesn't even have SSE, strange for an x86 CPU still being produced in 2019

@Deleted User works! paypal?

Congrats to @Deleted User for being the first person getting paid to work on DDNet

hey if you love the game and want to support specific fixes, i dont see a reason why they have to be the only one :)

21:43

i will likely keep doing this if there's other issues i would like to see fixed, or just attempt to fix them personally

21:48

also... what's the basis for getting the Dev role? not that i selfishly want it or anything :P

@deen I offer Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1007U @ 1.50GHz

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #3706 Changes don't apply when setting 'cl_assets_entities'

21:51

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

0012e72 Add console chain for assets, reload current asset on reload button click - Jupeyy a79a2d8 Merge #3769 - bors[bot]

i wont take any money tho

aww ok

21:53

thank u though you are amazing

Thanks Jupstar and Deen for fixing that ^^ really helps me! (i'm WatermelonDriveway)

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deen

I used to run a TW server on a 500 MHz AMD Geode LX800: https://www.alix-board.de/produkte/alix1e.html But no GPU to play on

do you use that as home server? Or what purpose does such a board have in first place?

I used to run teehistorian downloads on a raspi ^^

cool, i like the concept of having a small pc do a single task

22:07

raspi is already quite powerful tho xd ran some emulators back when my brother got one

22:09

the newest edition even has a vulkan driver if i remember correctly

22:09

quite cool

Actually, what versions of macos is https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/actions/runs/738203698 supposed to work on? Won't run for me on mojave, just want to know how far up I need to move.

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/ddnet

Deleted User

do you use that as home server? Or what purpose does such a board have in first place?

yes, used to be my home server running openbsd, bit was too weak at some point.

22:21

they are good as routers/firewalls too

22:22

i couldn‘t find the exact model i have, it has 3 lan ports i think

22:22

https://pcengines.ch/alix2d3.htm

PC Engines alix2d3 product file

PC Engines alix2d3

didnt even know a normal customer can buy such bords ^^

boot problems have to be debugged by serial port, since no gpu

savage

and to compile new software i turned it off, ran the cf card in my real pc and compiled there inside qemu since it was much faster

22:27

so kind of annoying to use

tela

Actually, what versions of macos is https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/actions/runs/738203698 supposed to work on? Won't run for me on mojave, just want to know how far up I need to move.

i don‘t know, what error?

heinrich5991

@deen I offer Intel(R) Celeron(R) CPU 1007U @ 1.50GHz

2 cores at that speed sounds hard to use

now I wanna know @PopCorn181's stats

Image attachment

sadness

can you click report?

22:35

and show us the result

https://pastebin.com/raw/3LGiXYjR

22:36

not sure if this is of any use

i vote for this guy: https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/745926398140612678/807401738004463616 he doesnt even have a opengl driver xd

22:39

that alone is just gold xD

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@tela thanks. it looks like a packaging issue from our side

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #3770 Github CI macOS packages cannot be run

Thanks to tela#3221 on Discord for the report. ``` Process: DDNet [30713] Path: /private/var/folders/*/DDNet.app/Contents/MacOS/DDNet Identifier: org.DDNetClient.app Version: 15.4 Code Type: X86-64 (Native) Parent Process: ??? [1] Responsible: DDNet [30713] User ID: 501 Date/Time: 2021-04-11 17:35:38.578 -0500 OS Version: Mac OS X 10.14.6 (18G84) Report Ve...

Oh cool, thanks for checking :). Updating OS is not so easy on hackintosh so thats a relief lol

Seems we are just missing a lib in the package

tela

Oh cool, thanks for checking :). Updating OS is not so easy on hackintosh so thats a relief lol

but i assume normal nightlys work?, then you can use that feature tomorrow

They have in the past, Ill check one right now. Yeah I of course don't need that feature immediately haha

deen

@PopCorn181 @heinrich5991 where are your pc stats?

i play on windows vista

ya, newest nightly works just fine

@PopCorn181 what's your CPU though? I think you can see that if you press win+r, type devmgmt.msc and press enter

Is the $points bot meant to be out of date? @lynn was asking. I am currently 3808 and last recorded was 3.4k on the $points.

yes,

23:20

my cpu is going through 8% - 50%

has a feature ever been requested for a fallback skin for clients without your custom skin? my understanding is that if i have selected a custom skin i made, it will show the default skin for everyone else

23:23

it sounds complicated to implement though... it should check the DB if it does not exist, and only then should it show the "Fallback skin" option

you can just replace the default skin

23:24

inside the client is a "skin directory" button, there you can just put a default.png

I think he meant, if someone doesn't have your custom skin he would see you as limekitty for example

23:25

I've suggested something like this a looooooong time ago ^^

but how does it differ from just renaming limekitty to default

that others would see you as default

23:26

it's like if I use a skin that you don't have, you see me as default

23:26

with fallback you would see me as one of the vanilla skins

so you basically want to send 2 skins to the server?

guess so

i see

but this made more sense back in 2017, now we have the skin downloader

sounds interesting for sure, on the other hand why would u care how others see you :D, u can e.g. name ur custom skin limekitty

then you will see custom tees where they should be limekitties

yeah, depends on, if you want ur custom skin to be unique probably

I guess unique to you and friends who have it

when make weapon skins be like regular skins where u can see others personal skins

sounds interesting too, but would also need a regulated db

oh that'd be a nightmare

23:31

you would see aoe guns everywhere

justatest

1

u could not add it to the db

lol i think itd be cool

also big artstyle clash unless you only add miper skins

i guess but thats also kinda in reg. skins

i see the issue with having to send 2 skins

but there's a lot more tee skins and they're somewhat more consistent

23:33

gameskins are all over the place

maybe im not familiar with the skin downloader?

i think i found a bug with the rocket

23:34

idk if its the good channel

#bugs but i don't think anyone would complain if you said it here either

@lynn any skin from https://ddnet.tw/skins/ will be displayed correctly unless someone disabled the option for himself

well, if i make a skin i still have to send it to my friend for them to see it right? without it getting approved for the db

yes

Deleted User

yes

its me or the hammer delay changed?

23:39

what hammer delay? xd

23:39

the animation?

23:40

no

23:40

wait i will send vid

23:40

if u have higher ping, it might feel like its delayed

23:40

have to turn on antiping

23:41

i dont know if you can see but im pretty sure the delay when we hammer someone changed

23:42

want the rocket have new feature/bug

23:42

i dunno, have u antiping on?

23:43

yes

looks normal to me

is that a ddnet server? else it might also be the server?

23:44

all srv

23:44

maybe i am wrong but its look weird

there's a delay when hitting another tee (edited)

i dunno, i also dont play on 60fps, so i cant really judge. Only thing i can tell ya is, that your brain sometimes thinks that teeworlds physics feel a bit strange during training, like it changed. i had this in gores sometimes. Its really alot of factors, how you hold your computer mouse how close u are to the screen etc. pp.

23:47

hmm maybe cause i bought new wireless mouse so its possible i have little delay

23:48

if its a "gamer" mouse, you might want to make sure the polling rate is set to >=1000hz (edited)

mn no its smth with the server

23:50

i went on there and it feels different

23:50

also antiping won't predict the hammers correctly too

23:50

so i think smth changed

i dunno, feels normal to me xD

23:51

is that on USA only or smth? XD

23:51

37.59.55.192:9404

23:51

come try

23:51

bombay BW server

23:52

not bombay*

23:52

is that ddnet server?

its not a ddnet server

if its strange on ddnet server tell me, then i join

23:54

same on ddnet srv

wat

come on "naufrage" map

23:54

i am there

23:54

feels normal

23:55

u also have ping of >70, and unstable

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