DDraceNetwork - mapping

What you guys think about unfreezing after teleportation in case if you have failed? In most maps there is unfreezing tile in teleportation out place. Wont be better to have a single entity or setting to unfreeze the tee after teleportation but do not unfreeze him on touching teleport out place ?

What the problem to put unfreeze into totele like it is now

1. You got to put it in all teleports, you have to move it in case teleport moved 2. Such unfreeze wont be in a map design 3. Unintended unfreezes on touching tele out place

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I mean there is no huge problems but this is pretty comon practice (to put unfreezes on tele) so why not to remove them

10:51

1 more click here, 1 more there = you bored of additional clicks. Not sure about you but for me this is a thing

not much of an effort tbh

i dont think its worth because the way u wanna is complicated (edited)

We shouldn't combine 2 tiles into one if it can be done well by just placing the 2 tiles on top

as brokedx said its just 1 click more

yeah, I agree with that. From a code perspective we want to implement as little as possible to prevent more new bugs

Kicker

i dont think its worth because the way u wanna is complicated (edited)

I am sorry, what complication you talking about?

11:01

the fact that teleportation is unfreezes you ?

u wanna setting for procedure which u can do with just 1 click

11:02

u dont always wanna have unfreeze on teleportation

mhm, could I have an example? placing a freeze on top of it is not a solution ?

i mean u dont wanna have unfreeze at all sometimes

dont you ?

it always depends..

does not for me

on map

11:04

and part

if teleout is not in freeze I always wanted to be unfreezed

11:05

either its very rare or I dont understand what you takling about

its u, but not for the mapper who mapped a part and maybe he wanna give u 3 seconds punishment in a speedrun map when u failed a part

I would hate such mapper (edited)

11:06

and yeah thats what I talked about, this is at least not common (edited)

ok

I just analyzed last released maps and figured out that if tele is not in freeze its 99% times covered with unfreeze

11:10

thanks for sharing your thoughts

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Kicker

its u, but not for the mapper who mapped a part and maybe he wanna give u 3 seconds punishment in a speedrun map when u failed a part

dont take me wrong, I would hate him just because he used freeze instead of switch to make penalty to my time

switch

yeah, its boring to wait in freeze

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11:14

so for me its better to use penalty entity (edited)

Just put unfreeze in the Tele.

Put freeze in tele

BannZay

mhm, could I have an example? placing a freeze on top of it is not a solution ?

isnt this the opposite of placing unfreeze ontop? xD u contradict urself "placing unfreeze in tele to get unfreezed" "placing freeze in tele to get freeze"

here is what I suggested - if the teleout is not covered with a freeze then unfreeze a tee without a need of spamming of unfreezing tile (edited)

13:29

@QuiX

Im 'corneum

Just put unfreeze in the Tele.

thats sounds like a good idea, I wonder why almost none does this

Because if you're too fast it sometimes doesn't unfreeze

and also why adding unfreeze in all tele when u can just add 1 unfreeze tile in totele, xD? i dont understand this convo is just dumb. Its harder to code it and make sure no bugs after done etc than just mappers adding 1 tile of unfreeze xD

since when we afraid of bugs?

why are u complaing to add 1 tile ?

this is weird to hear "I better do things twice but not change a code cuse it might procduce bugs"

bro u make 0 sense

0 sense is to do nothing cuse you live in fear of mistakes (edited)

QuiX

why are u complaing to add 1 tile ?

I described it above, keys - you got to manage this every time teleto placed/moved, tele to unfreezes you which is not intended behavior. (edited)

u know u can hold shift + left click the layers to select them and copy all right?

yes

then whats the problem? lmao

forget it

u are just lazy to map xD

I just want to live in a better world

13:39

its not about laziness its about efficiency

13:40

its easier for me to make a single change in a code rather then making the same additional action again and again and so on

what if u dont want to get urself unfreeze on a tele?

once I learned c++ because of need of a better UI for teeworlds editor

QuiX

what if u dont want to get urself unfreeze on a tele?

you either dont enable this behavior which is disabled by default or workaround it with freeze as its done for unfreezing rn (edited)

13:43

but its pretty rare

"workaround it with freeze as its done for unfreezing rn" isnt that the same shit as adding unfreeze around it? xD

yes, but you need to be unfreezed in a 99% times

13:43

have you read the conversation?

BannZay

yes, but you need to be unfreezed in a 99% times

not really

13:44

look at "sketch" map. Has no unfreeze on tele and mapper doesnt want unfreeze

all right, explain please

"either dont enable this behavior which is disabled by default" and this is just trash, cause its the same as adding unfreeze on it or no. Anyway i leave this convo, not important anyway xD

no map like "sketch" found

bruh

its almost the same as adding unfreeze, but it wont unfreeze you on touch and u actually dont have to manage unfreezes (edited)

@QuiX there is no single teleport on sketch map

true, i got confused, i appologise ^-^

13:56

but still ur concept is the same as now but sligtly easy

yes, and the reason why I am pushing it because slightly means a lot when its widely used

u can open a issue in ddnet github or smth like that, its where devs check ideas or smth ^-^

I want opinion of mappers not devs on this issue

well u saw the answers xD

yeah, and they makes me sad

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14:01

i also asked to add a quick add on envelopes (green squares of quads) but i got no reply so

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I created issue about this a year ago. Then I made change and pushed PR, still no succes

14:01

so

They can't add much design stuff because vanilla players wouldn't be able to see it

vanilla players not able to see unfreezes either

In the design yes

nowhere

Im 'corneum

They can't add much design stuff because vanilla players wouldn't be able to see it

ik, and thats sucks cause we limited to those vanilla players xD but idk im tired of pressing 70 clicks for an envelope

since none marks unfreezes in desing thats on top of teleout

14:03

so there is no change for vanilla players

14:03

they still blind plebs

14:04

xD

I wasn't referring about that

oh

I mean they can't just add gif support or something BCS of vanilla ppl

is there a tool to automate routine like "do put unfreeze game tile on each tele tile on the map" ?

You can design all the Tele first and put Tele and unfreeze on it

yes, and my question is - do I have to do it manually or there is a tool/trick to put unfreezes on all teles for me? (edited)

14:39

and I do entities first

Then not. But you can draw them together when U select Tele and game layer at the same time

sure, ty

cyberfighter

copy love box (edited)

i think fouknaut hosts block servers

15:27

go to fouknauts playground

Im 'corneum

Then not. But you can draw them together when U select Tele and game layer at the same time

wtf

what

didnt know

PopCorn181

i think fouknaut hosts block servers

he knows that server very well justatest

23:27

heres todays update for my block map

23:27

i decided its not gonna have a race

23:29

it is way to small, but ill keep it that way until theres so much players that more space is needed. the map is an experience, and i dont want to influence it to make it suitable for the masses

23:29

its kinda premium map for small amount of ppl

have u even tested it

yeah i played it myself, sadly noone wants to play it and tell me his opinion