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@ChillerDragon can you make me a client with a simple X and y blocks per second speedometer? The one in the debug menu is too small and weird. I would actually use your client this time

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@ChillerDragon can you make me a client with a simple X and y blocks per second speedometer? The one in the debug menu is too small and weird. I would actually use your client this time

try to make issue here https://github.com/chillerbot/chillerbot-ux

chillerbot/chillerbot-ux

chillerbot-ux UserExperience based on DDraceNetwork, a mod of Teeworlds - chillerbot/chillerbot-ux

https://git.kernel.org/pub/scm/linux/kernel/git/next/linux-next.git/commit/rust?id=c77c8025525c36c9d2b9d82e4539403701276a1d

14:24

@Learath2 @heinrich5991 poggers

Hm, I’m guessing the idea is to allow building mostly auxiliary parts of the kernel from rust? Like drivers

Ye for now

14:26

Rust takeover soon monkalaugh

Cool, been a while since we had a new language in tree

Ryozuki

Rust takeover soon monkalaugh

If by soon you mean maybe within the last quarter of our lifetimes, yes , it’s looking possible

25 years

We should do a toy kernel in rust

There is a wiki for stuff like that

14:28

Osdev iirc

Would be a fun experiment to see how much of something intrinsically unsafe we can wrap with rust

There is redox-os

Ryozuki

Osdev iirc

OSDEV is a great resource indeed, probably the only one out there for this kind of information even

Ryozuki

There is redox-os

Ah, someone already did it

Obviously

14:30

Hard to be the first at something these days

14:30

@Learath2 drivers run in userspace

If only we were born earlier and we could grab the low hanging fruit

14:31

Guys I have a brilliant idea, how about we do mail but over the internet. Genius

Or or or, how about mail, but it goes thru instantly

actually, email is worth replacing i think

Phones, but instead of using telephony we use the internet

Comrade

actually, email is worth replacing i think

It’s replacement is also already invented, so nothing to find there

really?

@Learath2 im watching a anime called planetes, made in 2003 iirc, its about space stations and such, i love how they use cards and stuff that looks like old tech now but its prob futuristic back then

Sure, instant messaging architectures easily replace email already in most peoples lives

but.... these are different

14:34

email is more formal

Not really, they get a message from A to B. They solve the same problem

Comrade

email is more formal

Because we pretend it is. It’s still messaging

Hello sir Learath, You can find attached a waifu image. Kind regards.

14:36

See very formal

well, the only problem is that you can't run your own Discord server

Try rocker

Let me give you an example, the turkish government is already running a pilot program digitizing bureaucracy. With a verified IM account you can actually do quite a few things like requesting official documents now

Rocket

14:38

Or smth like that

14:38

Or slack?

Slack, come on

I mean we pretend mail is this very decentralized concept but corporations hold a very tight leash on it

yes, Google and Microsoft are trying really hard to discourage people from running their own email infrastructure

Even going from your private mail server to someone elses private mail server you might actually want google to deliver your emails to make sure they get through the totally unbiased spam filters that definitely don’t check whether the mail originates inside this oligopoly

I currently have an even worse problem. My own mail provider is marking my own outgoing emails as spam

14:42

Self hosting is not that hard tho

14:42

The downside is mx records cant be protected by cloudflare

If you get a cheap VPS for self hosting chances are high that your IP is already on dozens of blocklists

Ryozuki

Self hosting is not that hard tho

Sure, but remember how your mail landed in my spam even though you did everything google suggests?

Ye

getting your emails accepted by GMail is very hard these days

Use ur own mail servee

14:43

If everyone does it

14:44

Less control for em

yes, but we live in cloud age

People also like to believe that the big draw of Crypto is that it is decentralize, but most people use a centralized "bank" e.g. wallet. At the end of the day the average person doesn't care much about control.

A mail coming from a server that implements the highest levels of security still doesn’t make it through googles “spam” filter but shitty marketing spam always does. Because the actual criteria isn’t security or spam, it’s how much money you have

@Zodiac took me a moment to realize you mean cryptocurrency not cryptography

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Learath2

A mail coming from a server that implements the highest levels of security still doesn’t make it through googles “spam” filter but shitty marketing spam always does. Because the actual criteria isn’t security or spam, it’s how much money you have

so true

I have everything and they put me in spam yeaj

14:45

Spf dkim tls etc

14:46

The average person certainly doesn't care about cryptography

Zodiac

People also like to believe that the big draw of Crypto is that it is decentralize, but most people use a centralized "bank" e.g. wallet. At the end of the day the average person doesn't care much about control.

Average person doesn’t even comprehend what problems we are looking to solve with decentralized technologies. They are so used to the “if you got nothing to hide you got nothing to worry about” rhetoric that privacy actually sounds like a bad thing to some

Learath2

Average person doesn’t even comprehend what problems we are looking to solve with decentralized technologies. They are so used to the “if you got nothing to hide you got nothing to worry about” rhetoric that privacy actually sounds like a bad thing to some

Toss in some terrorist here and there and they will defend centralization more

14:47

I probably mentioned my math teacher in high school that thought people who contributed to the tor project were complicit in terrorist actions taken on the platform

Privacy and decentralization don't necessarily go hand in hand. In fact, the problem with bitcoin is that you have no privacy. All your transactions are public

There are coins that truly hide it

14:47

Monero

You can the same level of privacy from cash/gold. We just have regulations for fraud detection

Zodiac

Privacy and decentralization don't necessarily go hand in hand. In fact, the problem with bitcoin is that you have no privacy. All your transactions are public

But you do, there is no actual way to associate you to your wallet except if you rely on centralized structures

14:48

That’s why the registration to coinbase feels like a colonoscopy nowadays

Yeah, but legitimate organizations have to abide by KYC

Exactly, so maybe coins with more builtin privacy are indeed better

14:49

Zcash and monero both do better at hiding transactions

My bank does a pretty good job at hiding my transactions

Sure

But anyway this idea of cryptocurrency is dead on arrival. The only reason they didn’t pull the plug on it yet is that rich ppl are making so much money on market volatility

I know I am in the minority here, especially among tech individuals, but I feel the only thing crypto is disrupting is regulations (which in of itself is a good thing). Makes us question why we are so stringent on certain laws (edited)

In an ideal world for the people in power there would be no cash either. Privacy is awful if you want to keep an iron grip on your people

Make sure to watch 5 stallman videos a day on your favorite libre peer video website

14:52

If it is an authority that is trustworthy having transparency and accountability can be a good thing. That said, there are a lot of countries where this is not the case

Zodiac

I know I am in the minority here, especially among tech individuals, but I feel the only thing crypto is disrupting is regulations (which in of itself is a good thing). Makes us question why we are so stringent on certain laws (edited)

Yeah it’s been good to see how far we could stretch our current understanding of laws

As an example, it isn't a good thing that someone could easily hire a hit on someone without any traceability. It also isn't a good thing that authoritarians can abuse this knowledge.

Zodiac

I know I am in the minority here, especially among tech individuals, but I feel the only thing crypto is disrupting is regulations (which in of itself is a good thing). Makes us question why we are so stringent on certain laws (edited)

Banking regulations? Usually because some bank did something bad and we learned from that

Zodiac

If it is an authority that is trustworthy having transparency and accountability can be a good thing. That said, there are a lot of countries where this is not the case

Geohot has an extreme position on this idea. He thinks we should crowdsource ALL the data on earth and host it all completely publicly so we are all on even footing against the malicious entities. I personally think it’s insane but you might find it interesting to listen to him talk on it

2008

Regulations like knowing your customer, understanding that the money you are receiving isn't "dirty", and inter-country transactions.

deen

Banking regulations? Usually because some bank did something bad and we learned from that

^^ this a 1000% Turkey has incredibly strict banking regulations that work so well even to this day, because banks nearly destroyed the currency within months

I am also not defending banks. I feel they are terrible institutions. Would be great to have a community bank

Banks are most probably the biggest oligopoly out there right now

Learath2

Geohot has an extreme position on this idea. He thinks we should crowdsource ALL the data on earth and host it all completely publicly so we are all on even footing against the malicious entities. I personally think it’s insane but you might find it interesting to listen to him talk on it

Sure, will check him out. That does seem extreme though. Don't want people knowing my search history

Through visa, mastercard and maestro they control entry into the market. If you want to do something disruptive they will never allow you in

14:57

Imagine a bank whose cards you can’t use anywhere :p

Well, not the entire market. In China you use Alipay, and I've seen quite a few shops in Germany that also accept Alipay

Learath2

Through visa, mastercard and maestro they control entry into the market. If you want to do something disruptive they will never allow you in

That is also the advantage of crypto, it is eating into their market (or threatening). (edited)

Or a bank who can’t send money to other banks except physically lol

Zodiac

That is also the advantage of crypto, it is eating into their market (or threatening). (edited)

A couple banks actually looked into RIPPLE to break out of the incredibly annoying SWIFT process, ultimately not enough banks joined so it didn’t work out but it was interesting seeing banks actually not being fond of the process either

you need banks if u want to build a home

I'm off

Love these sorts of discussions though. Will check in again later

jao

you need banks if u want to build a home

Why? And what do you mean by build a home?

Zodiac

I'm off

Love these sorts of discussions though. Will check in again later

Cya, I should also get back to abstract linear algebra yay

unless you are rich u need to ask the bank for money to build a house

15:01

few 100k€

Ah loans, I mean we could work out schemes where people more democratically get capital together to hand out loans

15:02

Credit Unions are close to this idea

deen

Well, not the entire market. In China you use Alipay, and I've seen quite a few shops in Germany that also accept Alipay

This is becoming more and more a thing here in italy too. Even chain supermarkets sometimes take alipay

but its very unsafe

Why are banks any safer? Banks are so unsafe that they destroyed the global economy like 3 times

no the banks

15:03

you need to know if the guy can return the money

Learath2

Ah loans, I mean we could work out schemes where people more democratically get capital together to hand out loans

That's how Volksbanken (People's Banks) were started in Germany btw

Well how do banks do it? They take your house if it gets there, similar regulations exist for private loans too. If I loaned you money and you couldn’t pay me back I could definitely annoy you as much as a bank

i think banks do research and interviews

I mean the specifics can be discussed, but I’m sure we could interview our recipients too. I’m not really a financial professional so I’m not familiar with all aspects of the process but Credit Unions and maybe Volksbanken in Germany can be a good starting point to figure out what do

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cooperative_banking

Cooperative banking

Cooperative banking is retail and commercial banking organized on a cooperative basis. Cooperative banking institutions take deposits and lend money in most parts of the world. Cooperative banking, as discussed here, includes retail banking carried out by credit unions, mutual savings banks, building societies and cooperatives, as well as commer...

thats why a lot people dont get loans from real banks

15:07

because the bank doesnt think you will be able to pay it back

There were a lot of cooperative banks here in catalonia, but spain slowly erased them

Americans are also the most insane on this matter too. Private companies keeping track of your credit record lmao