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Between 2021-03-05 00:00:00Z and 2021-03-06 00:00:00Z
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any idea?
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DDNet.exe is not supposed to be a dynamic link library so I guess something went very wrong while linking
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but dlls have DllMain, not WinMain
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maybe bcs of the console stuff, i only tested it with MinGW
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not with VS
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maybe u need to tell VS that the entry is still main and not WinMain
00:48
probs have to add /ENTRY:mainCRTStartup
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Does anyone know why my shields and weapons sometimes move and sometimes stand still?
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Only idea I have would be if you havent restarted the client in many days
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is that okay? or should i apply the ddnet version: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/base/system.c#L2365
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@deen ^ monkaS
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dd3e97f Update explain, adding telegun, team unlock and more - edg-l d41c0c3 Merge pull request #118 from edg-l/pr-update-explain - def-
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@deen @notdeen there are 2 deens
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@deen i think u need to tell cloudflare to reset the cache
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or the image wont be updated
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Hey, 2 questions: 1. Is there a way to do this: bind mouse1 "+weapon1; wait 1ms; +fire; +weapon2". The idea is to change weapon to hammer, hit and then change it to weapon2. Without "wait 1ms" it's not working, and I didn't heard of such function. Is there any alternative? 2. In theory, is there a way to connect tee without GUI, without client. Directly from script connect to a game server, walk, join teams, complete the map? Am I right or am I missing something?
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@Ryozuki you could also add a ?version=1 at the end of images, but will do
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@delasy no, there is no wait.
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No, also no tee possible without gui
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As reported by Logunix on Discord:
hi When I put the basic freeze I put 3 to seed and then I press where it says auto rule I give freeze round corners and when I press the A that is next to auto map I put a square on the map and the DDNet does not respond
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@fokkonaut both seem okay
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@deen can I add wait function? Do you think it will have a use in future?
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I can see a bunch of functionality around it
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no, it's unlikely to get added
15:46
you could script parts with it
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If you are talking about bind then max bind commands is 3 or smth
15:47
Or maybe you are talking about smth else
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I'm talking about things like rocket jump, hammer fly, etc.
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you could time it perfectly with this wait command
15:48
Makes sense actually
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what about "next_tick" command?
15:52
Same as wait 1ms but executed on next tick sent to server
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It also requires a bit of work to turn the very sync console into an async console ;P
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Oh that's what I was afraid of
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Wait why console? Or you mean functionality which executes binds. I didn't seen DDNet client on this part, I can be talking non-sense
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link to http://chat.teeworlds.cn/ for Simplified Chinese Maintained by TsFreddie, KaiHei is a Chinese Discord clone

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  • [ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
  • [ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
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i have this problem. if i enter ddrace after 5 min i got this pls help i want to play ddrace https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/739791189641003010/817085701350096926/20210303_194036.jpg?width=628&height=471 @deen @murpi
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@mal levent other games work fine for you? This looks like a GPU issue. Try updating driver, try gfx_opengl_major 1 (F1) and restarting client, try a new GPU
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thx i try it
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also try limiting your framerate to something sane using gfx_refresh_rate [amount]
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Need to wait for the artifacts to test, if this works, dont have VS currently I wonder why VS doesnt output an error that WinMain isnt found :D

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I'm trying to scroll to the bottom of a QTreeView, whenever an item is inserted
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self.log2.rowsInserted.connect(lambda: self.logView.scrollToBottom())
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is my current code
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but this only works if I insert two rows at once, otherwise we only scroll to the second to last entry
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Who is a qtreeview?
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This is C++, what you have looks like python. Is there some documentation for the binding?
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not really, it's "do whatever you do in C++"
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Btw, this is one of the reasons I despise rmgui. I bet that’s some internal state shenanigans
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Scrolltobottom referring to an outdated internal state sounds like the issue
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I agree @ the latter
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Is there maybe some later event you can react to?
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Give the state time to get corrected maybe
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Here you go ;P
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thanks, my google-fu was failing me
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❤️
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I've been stuck there for at least half an hour
17:31
mind sharing the google query?
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Wanna see my google query? ;D
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yes
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rowsinserted scroll to bottom
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ah, I haven't mentioned the signal name, only the class names
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I was actually looking for the “behaviour” was ready to add qt at the end of that
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But spotted this post
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Hopefully it works
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AMAZING
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it owrks
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that chinese clone requires mobile phone straight up
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thats china for u
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for the record not many chinese people uses email regularly. many kids don't even know what email is nowadays.
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I’ve stated many times my position on this. If you want people to behave like humans online, you need proper id verification
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Let’s have a philosophical analysis of this. Do you think it’s the default human condition to be a dick?
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People behaving well are only doing so to appear good. Trying to preserve their reputation. The second we give them the ability to reset their reputation whenever, they always act like assholes. The more anonymous the medium the more egregious the behaviour
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then u live in a bubble
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in real life u meet a lot nice people
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But would they still be nice if it wouldn’t serve them?
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if u see them in person u can notice if they are nice or only act like it
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Not like someone I meet at a classroom can call me a retarded sewer rat with other people around without losing their reputation
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ofc but if u spend enough time with them u notice how they are
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jao
if u see them in person u can notice if they are nice or only act like it
I mean you develop a sense for it, sure. But my point is these people still act nice. Because you are forced to act nice to be a part of the society
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ofc these dicks exist but there are a lot people who are nice
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I’m just taking it a step further and asking whether all niceness is a result of this
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so i wouldnt say its the default human condition (edited)
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You can tell some people are more genuine, but maybe they are better actors. Would they still act nice given complete anonymity is something I wonder a lot
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why would they act bad
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what do they get from it
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Because there is no reason not to do it. You only need to believe it’ll get you to your goal
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but there is also no reason to randomly be bad
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E.g. in america some people think treating waitresses awfully is a way to get good service
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u can just not care
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if you see a small insect and nobody is around. do you kill it or do you save it? if you save it, then why are you doing it
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SP | Someone thinks insulting us is a good way to achieve his goal of getting unbanned
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sp someone is braindamaged
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There is real selfish benefits to being extremely mean
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i dont think the human nature is to be super selfish
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Im 'corneum
if you see a small insect and nobody is around. do you kill it or do you save it? if you save it, then why are you doing it
If it’s in my home it’s dying
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humans need friends
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thats mean
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jao
i dont think the human nature is to be super selfish
I guess this is where our disagreement stems from. I think most people are extremely selfish, or at the very least only care about a small minority of people around them
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are you like that
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must suck to be learath
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I try not to be, but it sometimes takes conscious effort
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Depends on the exact situation
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If I were truly selfless I’d donate all my money to some charity and off myself
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it doesnt just make you happy to be freindly IRL without benefit?
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but why do you spend time for ddnet then for example
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So I guess most people lie on a spectrum of selfishness?
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you get no return
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jao
but why do you spend time for ddnet then for example
It’s almost the only thing I’m actually good at. It makes me feel fulfilled instead of empty and useless
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At a certain level my interest in ddnet is selfish even though the action is good for other people too
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ok then ur selfish
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But I’m sure at a certain level I can make any action any person takes apparently selfish
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There is no selfless act imo. Even the most selfless looking acts usually are done to fulfill yourself at some level
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@Learath2 real life ID isn't stuff that makes people behave. check facebook or twitter
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heinrich5991
@Learath2 real life ID isn't stuff that makes people behave. check facebook or twitter
You need to implement consequences. Facebooks consequences are just not large enough
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hard to change ID might make bans more effective
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@Learath2 that selfishness is basic self respect. if youre not at least a bit selfish you have to be dpressed
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(They are large enough to filter the viler behaviour you’d see in completely anonymous mediums like teeworlds or 4chan)
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lets require personal id for ddnet accounts
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jao
lets require personal id for ddnet accounts
If there was no privacy concern, I’d be totally for it
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ok then mobile number
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it's only helpful for making bans more effective
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I think I read a paper comparing Korea (where you register with your id) and Eu cheating rates in league of legends
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There are virtually 0 reoffenders in Korea, since you can’t get a new id number
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link please
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heinrich5991
it's only helpful for making bans more effective
They also coerce people into not acting like complete buffoons
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heinrich5991
link please
I’ll look for it
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Does anyone know why my shields and weapons sometimes move and sometimes stand still?
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I think it was a riot employees blog showing some statistics
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@Learath2 you prefer fake nice people to real assholes? thats bluepilled
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what if they faked their stats
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@heinrich5991 btw it’s quite simple to see how effective this is with s real life example. If I threatened to cut off your tongue if you say a bad word, you’d very quickly stop using bad words
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people still stole in the medieval ages
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Now how ethical that is in terms of proportional punishment, I don’t know. But high consequences are quite simply the best way to get compliance
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despite such practices
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same for murder and capital punishment
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because they think they wont be caught
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heinrich5991
people still stole in the medieval ages
Difference is with the perfect surveillance today, you only get one chance to steal before losing your hands and thus the ability to steal
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no, we don't have perfect surveillance
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crime solving is far from 100%
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not sure what the correct word is
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jao
ok then mobile number
no
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people who want to do harm can still use disposable numbers
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because no way we're going to require phone numbers
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and it just harms people who play peacefully but anonymously
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how do u get a disposable number
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heinrich5991
no, we don't have perfect surveillance
Well in teeworlds itd be 100%
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We control the entire medium afterall
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no u dont
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jao
how do u get a disposable number
plenty of ways, there are sites that let u receive sms ( ie https://smsreceivefree.com ), u can use google voice or a similar service, u can buy a cheap sim card/burner phone, u can use a friend's phone, etc
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but it costs money
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This is all hypothetical btw, there is ofc no way we implement my insane world view into ddnet 😄
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almost all of those things are free lol
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ddos also costs money right
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yes often
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@Im 'corneum not if u have made ur own botnet
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by distributing programs with virus
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google voice is free
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Ryozuki
no u dont
Well the part of the medium we care about. I don’t care if someone hosts their own anarchy server
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u still dont control it totally
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u would need to control the entire internet
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Ryozuki
u would need to control the entire internet
For this hypothetical, lets say I want to enforce the rule that you cant say some word on ddnet
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I only care what happens on ddnet servers, thus I only need to control that
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humans know how to bypass that
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the thing that mattersi s the meaning of the word
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heinrich5991
people still stole in the medieval ages
My point being this argument is moot because there is no getting away with it in this case
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Ryozuki
humans know how to bypass that
Sure, but you are taking incredible risk now. If a human mod catches you you arent going to play the game for a month
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tell that to ppl in dictatorships
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and that still are alive
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You mean people that dont agree with the dictator?
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you cant never have total control
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1984 is a nice book
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But its taking place in a rather large world where there are opportunities to sneak around
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the internet seems pretty big to me
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Here its literally bytes going through to our server
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you dont even have full control over yourself tho
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u can always mentally manipulate a higher up
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can AI have full complete control over something really simple?
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lets mentally manipulate ryo
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someone can also go the physical location of the server
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and destroy it
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hes already on reddit
justatest 1
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Ryozuki
u can always mentally manipulate a higher up
Sure but I think we are getting beside the point. If I want to punish cheating harshly, the more anonymous the medium the less options I have for pubishment
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Has it anything to do to the channel?
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lets go to the physical location of ddnet
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ddnetcon 2021
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lets go
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delasy
Has it anything to do to the channel?
It is a bit off topic, but it's where the people who'd want to talk about something like this reside
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go to hetzner servers location
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u cant just enter hetzner servers location
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damn i lost my dota game cuz i was reading this
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If you have something on topic to ask, feel free, we can stop :P
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if u dont work there
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Learath2
It is a bit off topic, but it's where the people who'd want to talk about something like this reside
I subscribed this channel to receive some info on dev and reading through messages about... I don't even get the point
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@Learath2 anyway, if there were total control i doubt it would last
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i just need to pay someone at hetzner to put fake ranks for me in the database?
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@Learath2 there is no place where total control lasted for long
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total control being a hard dictatorship here
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well maybe north korea is near that
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i wonder what they doing over there
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@Im 'corneum yes, but unlikely to happen 😉 there are bigger targets than ddnet on hetzner
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the only one who has more control over ddnet than learath is hetzner ceo
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well that makes it easier for him then right?
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jao
the only one who has more control over ddnet than learath is hetzner ceo
bill gates can buy anyone here
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and anyone would accept
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i would accept ofc
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having ur life resolved
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over a game
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who wouldnt
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xddd
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vlc
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delasy
I subscribed this channel to receive some info on dev and reading through messages about... I don't even get the point
We do have very abstract talks like this sometimes. It's off-topic but we've kinda accepted it
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wdym subscribed
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Learath2
We do have very abstract talks like this sometimes. It's off-topic but we've kinda accepted it
So what are you talking about?
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if u want to see the real dev progress and talk github is the best place for you
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Like servers and stuff
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Ryozuki
if u want to see the real dev progress and talk github is the best place for you
GitHub is too dead
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$github
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$about
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We are chatting about the effects of annonimity and whether 0 anonimity would prevent people from acting like assholes
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i figured out why the $profile and $points stopped updating
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the cache is too big to load in memory
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@Learath2 are you one of those that accept more "security" by saying yes to a state police?
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too many ranks
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and users
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Just prune cache 😄
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 are you one of those that accept more "security" by saying yes to a state police?
No but not because I don't think it'll bring more security. It's because my desire for privacy is more than the amount of security I thibk we'd get
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Or maybe having something like RabbitMQ might solve the problem
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Learath2
No but not because I don't think it'll bring more security. It's because my desire for privacy is more than the amount of security I thibk we'd get
yeah
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I think we are at a sweet spot in real life in western countries
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but privacy is the first thing the state trades for "security"
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feelsbadman
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On ddnet we have a lot more privacy, but no security at all. That's far from the sweet spot imo
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is ddnet especially toxic?
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look up steam reviews
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u justn eed to play dota 2
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a valve game
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to learn
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the truth
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about humanity
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It can technically get infinitely toxic in ddnet since we have no way to stop it
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DDNet is not toxic until Russian players log in
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then we have a miracle right here right? (edited)
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No racism, I'm Russian
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i mean
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if u look at % of toxic
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im sure its less than 1
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but sp someone always shines
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well depends on what u consider toxic
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monkalaugh
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The point is that there is no way for us to get rid of that 1% nor is there anything ever stopping them
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% of toxic
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greenthing
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In real life societal pressure takes care of this. You can't act like an absolute degenerate
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@Learath2 thats just false
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look at any karen
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in a supermarket
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Ryozuki
look at any karen
Thats a level of degeneracy that americans seem to accept. Try the same in europe and I bet you'd stop real fucking quick
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nah you cant just explain it like this
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If I shout at a supermarket worker people will look at me like I'm insane
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there are areas where karens are possible and there are areas where its not possible. no matter what country
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The US Securities and Exchange Commission has just accepted Microsoft’s filing for its deal with ZeniMax. The European Commission is the only instance left to approve the acquisition. On March 5, the US Securities and Exchange Commission issued a notice of effectiveness, meaning that Microsoft’s filing to acquire ZeniMax has been accepted by th...
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its done
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they did it
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I mean sure, but have you met sny karens here? Or have you seen more than like 1 or 2 instances even on video?
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monkaS
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@Learath2 how to attach gdb to a running process
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@Learath2 u sure you dont live inside a black mirror episode? 😄
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i got my ddnet client frozen
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oh
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its unfrozen now
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so something must be doing this
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and idk what is it
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if it doesnt crash its hard to know
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 how to attach gdb to a running process
Load binary. Attach with attach <pid> c when it breaks to keep going
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but im sure its related to discord
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@heinrich5991 have you ever used nom? (rust lib)
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no. it's a parser combinator
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@Ryozuki btw Zwelf and i created our own version of about:tiles which is quite extendable :)
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Im 'corneum
@Learath2 u sure you dont live inside a black mirror episode? 😄
Fairly, I think I'm just a little too glass half empty than most people
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Learath2
Fairly, I think I'm just a little too glass half empty than most people
yes you cross me as a overthinker
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180 lines only poggers
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Patiga
@Ryozuki btw Zwelf and i created our own version of about:tiles which is quite extendable :)
is the svg thing?
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Pessimistic overthinker sounds about right
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its hard to put it in the wiki due to svg script security issues
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thats cringe @Learath2
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Better overthink than not think at all, no?
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hard to explain... its like emo
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you can overthink and just accept it and be happy anyway
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Well if you don’t reach a conclusion, what are you supposed to accept?
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that very fact
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you cant reacha conclusion so just dont worry about it
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@Learath2 did u know germany removed all their nuclear reactors due to ignorant ppl fear? and the very fact of removing this and going for coal kills more ppl statistically
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kinda hilarious
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monkalaugh
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[freenode] Zwelf BOT 2021-03-05 19:36:33Z
@Ryozuki I think should work with an iframe, object or embed the same way you embed the other svgs
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but it doesn't load any external javascript code and even embeds the png
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ppl who die by each energy production mean
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way*
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interesting data eh
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but nuclear bad
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nuclear death isnt the same as coal death tho.
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Im 'corneum
you cant reacha conclusion so just dont worry about it
So when can you reach a conclusion? If you can never reach a conclusion there is no need to think about anything. But certainly there are ideas that can be taken to a logical conclusion
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looking at one statistic and calling it a day is lazy
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look the whole video then
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I'm sure I can find a favorable one for coal, out of all things
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So which things am I allowed to think about and not be cringe?
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heinrich5991
I'm sure I can find a favorable one for coal, out of all things
go for it
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Ryozuki
@Learath2 did u know germany removed all their nuclear reactors due to ignorant ppl fear? and the very fact of removing this and going for coal kills more ppl statistically
This is true in a lot of places. Happened a couple times even in china
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square meter of uninhabitable land created? as in "you can't go there"
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the c oal itself will make the entire planet inhabitable
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@Ryozuki now you're changing goal posts, the above thing was about past events
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Learath2
So which things am I allowed to think about and not be cringe?
you can think about anything but when i realize that going urther into it is going to be bad for me in any way then i just stop.
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Nuclear is by far the safest and cleanest source of consistent energy as far as I’ve read. I’m obviously no expert but the decision from countries to phase out nuclear does look silly to me
f3 2
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but there is lot of FUD
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I know it's one of reddit's favorites positions to hold, at the very least
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what about that waste tho. they dont know where to put it yet
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serioiusly, watch the vid
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its backed by references to scientific papers
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heinrich5991
I know it's one of reddit's favorites positions to hold, at the very least
Well just because reddit agrees with it doesn’t mean it’s false
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pff science
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the sources
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@Learath2 obviously not
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Im 'corneum
what about that waste tho. they dont know where to put it yet
It’s much safer to store nuclear waste underground than storing co2 in the air 😄
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science
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Im 'corneum
Click to see attachment 🖼️
why r u always like this
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about science
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kinda cringy
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idk its just funny
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its joke ryozuki
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i know
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it reminds me of dumb americans and flat earthers
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triggers me
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what does the video say about nuclear waste @Ryozuki?
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@Ryozuki big snowflake
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@heinrich5991 it mentions it
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near the end
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I'm not going to watch a video
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if you can't tell me what it says, we might as well stop here ^^
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well then the dicussion can end
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ye
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heinrich5991
I'm not going to watch a video
Why not?
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It’s about 10 minutes, so it’s likely not a time concern
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I think it's bad form to say that people are stupid but still not willing to explain your position
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im not a good communicator, the video communicates stuff rly well
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so
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if u dont want to watch it the discussion ends here
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@Learath2 I don't like videos, waste of time, mostly
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X2 speed ftw
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kurzgesagt is rly good channel btw
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yes, I know
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@Ryozuki how are you now different than to any other religious person? (edited)
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heinrich5991
@Learath2 I don't like videos, waste of time, mostly
Huh, I find well presented and well sourced videos much more accessible than actual research on most matters
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the whole science reddit thing is the biggest cult rn
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I like well presented texts better
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it allows me to go in my own speed, verifying stuff as-is
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Well people learn in different ways
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3blue1brown has excellent visualizations for mathematical concepts. I think there is extra value in the visual part of a video
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u can go at ur speed
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pause the video
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yep @Learath2
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i sent u this before btw
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its text
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the good old way
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i prefer to read stuff related to statistics or studies etc
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stuff like lemmino is good for youtube tho
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just documentaries on interesting concepts
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With something like kurzgesagt the extra value comes from the accessibility. It’s rather difficult to actually read the papers on such complex matters. Even if you are scientifically literate enough you are lacking in domain knowledge that would let you spot biases
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It’s much easier to compensate for the selection bias of the author of a video/collection than to compensate for very complex statistical mistakes in actual papers
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kurzgesagt is great, especially how they admitted when they did mistakes on some videos. good stuff
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@heinrich5991 > – However, all these facts still leave one major argument that is fielded against nuclear power. Opponents of nuclear energy argue that nuclear waste and its lack of long-term storage solutions is an unacceptable problem and risk, while proponents of nuclear energy say that until renewable energies are able to cover the complete energy demands of mankind, it is arguably safer to store nuclear waste for the time being than to inhale poisonous gases and promote rapid climate change. But a detailed discussion about nuclear waste would go too far here – more about it in our sources. Let us know if you would like a whole video about it!
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Around 90% of the total waste volume is composed of tools and work clothing that is only lightly contaminated and contains only 1% of the total radioactivity. It loses most or all of its radioactivity within 300 years and is mostly stored on the power plants, where it doesn’t require special shielding such as concrete walls or protective clothing for the nuclear workers.
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oughly 7% is intermediate-level waste, such as used filters and steel components from the reactors. This kind of waste has been exposed to alpha radiation or contains long-lived radionuclides in concentrations that require isolation beyond several hundred years. This kind of waste needs to be solidified in concrete or bitumen and is mostly buried in shallow repositories on the site.
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So we can handle 97% of the nuclear waste quite well, but the real trouble starts with the remaining 3%. These 3% consists of the highly radioactive materials produced as a byproduct of the nuclear reactions that occur inside the reactors.
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honestly, i would simply put it in a elon musk rocket and make it go as far as possible
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monkalaugh
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– In a ploy to appease the public, the German government shut down 11 of its 17 nuclear facilities and plans to close the remaining reactors in 2022.
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the biggest problem is that uranium is not endless, if all countries would have nuclear power it would be gone in less than 20 years
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i dont think thats a problem
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it is
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i think there is quite lot
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its the biggest problem indeed
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@Ryozuki youre telling me germany shut down nuclear energy just because people wanted them to?
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i think u underestimate how much energy is consumed in future, e.g. by india and china
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Im 'corneum
@Ryozuki youre telling me germany shut down nuclear energy just because people wanted them to?
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hell no
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Peak uranium is the point in time that the maximum global uranium production rate is reached. After that peak, according to Hubbert peak theory, the rate of production enters a terminal decline. While uranium is used in nuclear weapons, its primary use is for energy generation via nuclear fission of the uranium-235 isotope in a nuclear power rea...
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ChillerDragon: didn't you have teeworlds log parser?
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why would the gov suddenly listen. especially when th epeople are wrong
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Im 'corneum
hell no
well i think merkel got some big corps behind telling them to use coal
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Thorium, the better Uranium
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so the big boys get more money
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that sounds a bit more like it
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its the biggest problem indeed
Uh, I actually am not sure about the numbers but uranium is EXTREMELY energy dense and we devised ways to squeeze every bit of it. I think we have enough to power earth for quite some time
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Not to mention other radioactive elements we have access to like thorium
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On Earth Uranium is surprisingly plentiful for a heavy metal. In fact estimate place the Earth’s supply of Uranium at 30 times that of Silver.
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so what its not a new realisation that the old energy sources are going to get emptied before we actually switch
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not all is suitable
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without a chain reaction its useless
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Energy Secretary Dan Brouillette, the top brass of DOE and what loosely might be described as the nuclear energy establishment took to a webinar May 29 to explain and endorse the department's uranium plan.
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[freenode] Zwelf BOT 2021-03-05 19:59:36Z
Ryozuki: Can you try to set an iframe to https://wiki.ddnet.tw/images/3/3a/Entities.svg in the wiki?
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its all FUD from coal companies
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they rly dont want govs to go nuclear
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Anyway, it’s not an argument I can take at face value. So I’ll need sources for it
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Ryozuki
they rly dont want govs to go nuclear
once the sources are empty we have the technology to switch quickly. i dont see the problem except global warming
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also i heard something about mining uranium from asteroids
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nearby
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science fiction
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btw green energy is already cheaper today
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its only that we dont have a storage yet
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its all oil and coal companies
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its only that we dont have a storage yet
I have a feeling we never will. Lion batteries are about as dense as we can get them and they have very unfavourable characteristics
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wtf they use lions for batteries? cruel
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well there is lion batteries that are solid
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they dont burn for example
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and have higher capacity
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Most of the energy storage is in form of gravitational potential where we pump a lot of water up a hill. And that is not energy dense enough (but you can store massive quantities)
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[freenode] Ryozuki- BOT 2021-03-05 20:07:18Z
Zwelf they key u have to use on iframes is "local"
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i just added it
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and then the absolute path without the domain
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as u can see in the link i sent
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[freenode] Zwelf BOT 2021-03-05 20:07:45Z
ah nice, I couldn't get it to work
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[freenode] Ryozuki- BOT 2021-03-05 20:07:55Z
there was no way u could get it to work
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due to my bad
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i didnt add the local key
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$wgIframe['server']['ddnet'] = [ 'scheme' => 'https', 'domain' => 'ddnet.tw' ];
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$wgIframe['server']['local'] = [ 'scheme' => 'https', 'domain' => 'wiki.ddnet.tw' ];
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u need to allow a domain first
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to enable iframes for it
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Im 'corneum
wtf they use lions for batteries? cruel
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joyers
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I have a suggestion for DDNet. Sometimes you're playing a map, a cool map. And then you forgot what was the name of the map, it would be cool to have an option in the webpage to see the last map you've played. This idea it's not the same as the maps that the webpage shows when you finish a map, this works without the necessity of finish a map.
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so your source says at a rate of 2017 it can least around 130 years it also says: Optimistic predictions of nuclear fuel supply are based upon on one of three possible scenarios. Neither is currently commercially viable as more than 80% of the World's reactors are LWRs: Light Water Reactors only consume about half of one percent of their uranium fuel while fast breeder reactors will consume closer to 99%, current reserves of U are about 5.3 million tons. Theoretically 4.5 billion tons of uranium are available from sea water at about 10 times the current price of uranium.[10] Currently no practical methods for high volume extraction exist. thorium (3–4 times as abundant as uranium) might be used when supplies of uranium are depleted. However, in 2010, the UK's National Nuclear Laboratory (NNL) concluded that for the short to medium term, "...the thorium fuel cycle does not currently have a role to play," in that it is "technically immature, and would require a significant financial investment and risk without clear benefits," and concluded that the benefits have been "overstated." so lets say 260 years, and lets also assume that other reactors wont come in the next 10-20 years i guess you want to replace gas, coal and oil: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_energy_consumption#Electricity_generation thats around >60% while nuclear is around 10% you u basically want additional 600% of nuclear power so even in a very optimistic calculation that is only 43 years of supply If we now consider that we also have primary energy(cars, planes, trains and so on) that should not use oil anymore And then also that the general energy consumption will increase(especially in china and india) this will be very hard to archieve. Sadly the only english resource i found is https://euanmearns.com/do-we-have-enough-uranium-to-go-nuclear/ (edited)
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Don't forget a lot of countries use gas coal and oil for all their power needs not just the baseline. You only need to replace the baseline with nuclear and we can then maybe feasibly meet the spikes in demand using renewables and existing power storage solutions
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If we make everything nuclear we don't really get much time to come up with something more sustainable
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well probs germany should have started with replacing coal true
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the coal industry is a huge pain
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I wonder what kind of improvement will come first, will it be a breakthrough in battery technology or a breakthrough in power generation like maybe fusion
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i wonder if 2025 iter is a success, how fast fusion will develop from there
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but in the end our time limit is around 2040, maximum 2050
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so its pretty risky to only rely on new technology
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only time will show
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