DDraceNetwork - mapping

ReD

it was 1 week of work, and half of that was figuring out how to assemble map string after modifying. basically compressing layers and replacing string, modifying integers of sizes and ptr_offsets array. I should probably just compile the whole code, but I kind of want to do it vanilla and especially not including SDL / glfw

great work heartw

Have you considered the influence of the envelope on the alpha of the tile layer?

ReD

it was 1 week of work, and half of that was figuring out how to assemble map string after modifying. basically compressing layers and replacing string, modifying integers of sizes and ptr_offsets array. I should probably just compile the whole code, but I kind of want to do it vanilla and especially not including SDL / glfw

Will you open source your code？

bit

great work heartw

Have you considered the influence of the envelope on the alpha of the tile layer?

i haven't implement enevlopes yet, as I skip quad layers for now. But I will add them, and than I will probably just skip quads with position and rotation envelopes, similar to para

bit

Will you open source your code？

I think in the future yeah

ReD

I think in the future yeah

nice

08:57

which language do you use poggers

C++ with SFML graphics library

it will also do a lot more, right now I am playing with map generation like this was generated with perlin noise :D

the big penis in the middle is nice

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Hi, there is a nice feature for mappers: when u upload the map its deployed to the

https://ddnet.tw/testmaps/?map=

Idk if its just me but if I try to zoom out any map, all this canvas thing crashes and just grey screen is displayed. It's a "bit" inconvenient

and one more thing yesterday I posted my map on submit-maps channel, after it I pressed "white check mark" emotion. aaand few minutes ago I accidentally pressed it one more time so my reaction was removed and also I was disconnected from that channel xd and now if I try to press "white check mark" emotion nothing happens. So I can't join to the my maps chat xd

ReD

it will also do a lot more, right now I am playing with map generation like this was generated with perlin noise :D

Can you say more about this? I'm way into generative art so this is really interesting to me

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenSimplex_noise

OpenSimplex noise

OpenSimplex noise is an n-dimensional gradient noise function that was developed in order to overcome the patent-related issues surrounding Simplex noise, while continuing to also avoid the visually-significant directional artifacts characteristic of Perlin noise. The algorithm shares numerous similarities with Simplex noise, but has two primary...

10:31

sure, if you create a 2d perlin noise (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Perlin_noise) you get an image that has values from 0-1. 0 is black and 1 is white, looks like this

@ReD what are you trying to do?

10:33

i once had the idea to apply maze algorithms and generate random maps

10:33

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_generation_algorithm

Maze generation algorithm

Maze generation algorithms are automated methods for the creation of mazes.

@ReD how did you integrate your tool into the map release process? i would happily also include my tool to automatically remove unused envelopes, images, etc also since you are doing such tight tile optimizations, maybe you could consider removing the rotation from tiles with the id 0. air can be rotated in the editor, so zeroing the rotation again would result in completely zeroed data, probably perfect for compression (though im not sure how big the effect will actually be)

and than I lay this over an empty map. and I assign different blocks for different values of this gray, for example I say if the value is between 1 and 0.7 it's a unhookable tile, if it's between 0.6 and 0.7 it's a hookable tile etc

generating good gores maps sounds quite doable :p

Ryozuki

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maze_generation_algorithm

for fun right now, And yeah I also have the maze algorithm and I want to make a maze map for fun

like the nut race? ^^

10:35

best map

:D yeah

10:35

and yeah I am trying gores right now, but it's unpolished. need to avoid collision with other tunnels correctly

10:37

Patiga

@ReD how did you integrate your tool into the map release process? i would happily also include my tool to automatically remove unused envelopes, images, etc also since you are doing such tight tile optimizations, maybe you could consider removing the rotation from tiles with the id 0. air can be rotated in the editor, so zeroing the rotation again would result in completely zeroed data, probably perfect for compression (though im not sure how big the effect will actually be)

good idea, I already have the check for empty layers. I can easily add check for empty envelopes, images etc. and yeah I could also clear 0 id tiles

well i already have that in my tool and was wondering if i could also get it into the release process ^^

10:43

that would also motivate me more to expand on that, had some ideas on checking for invalid tile combinations and so on

what would also be important is removing blank tiles

@Patiga hi

hey :)

c:

10:47

want play ?

not rn, sry

c:

10:47

after

@ReD maybe i misunderstood, is your tool already running automatically on to-be-released maps? ^^

Patiga

well i already have that in my tool and was wondering if i could also get it into the release process ^^

maybe just add it into the client, user wants to save map, and client says "deleted x unused elements."

10:51

I manually run it on ready maps

oh well

ReD

and than I lay this over an empty map. and I assign different blocks for different values of this gray, for example I say if the value is between 1 and 0.7 it's a unhookable tile, if it's between 0.6 and 0.7 it's a hookable tile etc

Do you have a process to automate this or do you literally draw?

i automate it :o that example was 1000 x 1000 tiles, so I would need to draw 1 million tiles by hand. computer does it in 0.13 seconds :D

oh lmao, didnt realize it was that big

11:18

thats super cool

thanks, it's pretty fun for sure

11:20

and fun to play with the settings, you can generate perlin noise with depth = 1, which looks very smooth

11:20

so sick

11:20

im sure you could do that with any sort of generation alg too that isnt just perlin noise

depth = 24

11:22

yeah the smooth one can be done by many, but layering noise ontop you mostly want perlin noise, especially because it's super fast. extremly fast actually, it's a wonderful algorithm

hell yeah. Even if you never find a practical way to implement it to a playable map it still just looks cool

hell yeah

11:25

maybe you can make a exploration map out of it making sure there is a path that goes through it all

yeah totally, or just cop out and make it gores lol

ReD

depth = 24

Red send this map justatest

i want to see it , but i think its cool for gores :/ but could be wrong

that huge one is probably not playable, but try this one out

11:58

perlin_noise.map

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ReD

Click to see attachment 🖼️

I will try it after work

this one is finishable, added starting line and finish line

perlin_noise2.map

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ReD

Click to see attachment 🖼️

wait... looks like part of my research

gerdoe

wait... looks like part of my research

what is your research about ? :D

ReD

this one is finishable, added starting line and finish line

nice open up ReDGores server and overtake kog

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aw yea

ReD

what is your research about ? :D

Creating of algorithm for tile-based map generating (not actually a research tho)

nice project terrain generation is pretty cool, basically using additionally noises to create things like biomes and placement of structures etc.

yeah and then you can connect empty parts with paths

17:28

while searching nformation for this i found good article about noise using in map generating

show :D

https://blogs.unity3d.com/2018/05/29/procedural-patterns-you-can-use-with-tilemaps-part-i/

Procedural patterns you can use with Tilemaps (Part I)タイルマップと併用可能なプ...

Many creators have used procedural generation to add some diversity to their game. Some notable mentions include the likes of Minecraft, or more recently, Enter the Gungeon and Descenders. This post explains some of the algorithms you can use with Tilemap, introduced as a 2D feature in Unity 2017.2, and RuleTile. With procedurally created maps, ...