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Between 2021-02-10 00:00:00Z and 2021-02-11 00:00:00Z

I made this skin to show the square size of the tee against the map, the round size of the tee against other tees and the hitbox which is the big circle. Coincidentally the hitbox also almost exactly defines the hammer range(when the hitboxes touch: tees are within hammer range). It also shows center lines(when the center of the cross enters freeze the tee is frozen) and i tried to make the eye point accurately in the direction of aiming. I also made some simplified weapons to show the direction people aim more clearly(not entirely possible without editing code because of the offset when you aim vertically) and made the sword so small that you don't see it when it's equipped so frozen tees don't visibly equip it. Initially I just had the question "how big is a tee really?" when drawing a skin which lead me to make this. It can be helpful to play with but also to use as a basis to make skins with more accurate dimensions. (edited)

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[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

17638ab M NUT_hardcore_bestof - ddnet-maps

Hue you can request access on gitlab repos? Is it common that you randomly get those requests? any gitlub mains here? https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1612943431.png

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@Deleted User as far as I know Soreu didn't even make entities in vector

Ravie

@Deleted User as far as I know Soreu didn't even make entities in vector

ok thanks for the info, lukely louis is at creating a new default as svg ^^

@Deleted User do not forget mine :) https://github.com/TeeworldsDB/mapres/blob/master/svg/grass_doodads_chiller.svg

TeeworldsDB/mapres

A sorted collection of teeworlds mapres. Contribute to TeeworldsDB/mapres development by creating an account on GitHub.

i didnt chillerdragon

<3

10:03

i didnt know u actually plan on creating a UHD thing

10:03

will there be a github repo in the ddnet org?

we already planned it like half a year ago, but i guess it wont really happen until you start

10:04

yes hopefully

id happily replace my svg dir with a submodule and pr to ddnet repo instead

10:05

do you have org access to create a repo? then we could start

my plan would be to create a repo with all SVGs in the correct data directory style, and write a script to automatically create a data directory with all the SVGs converted to the ratio you want so it could be created for any need

sounds very nice

10:05

go

i dont think i have any access except the ddnet source

hm sad

10:06

@deen can we get a repo?

but i guess @deen would kindly help us

:GWPingSok:

10:06

i also have some ci for mapres but yea thats png not svg

10:07

i am hyped

10:08

@Deleted User ima add a jungle doodads and you write a svg render engine :D

we'll just use existing linux tools, since PNGs are faster to use anyway

10:09

than onfly rendering

but pngs are bad for zooz

10:14

what about multiple sizes?

well as said, there will be a script, so its easy to created the stuff in the resolution you want

10:17

double skin res is already huge improvement

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10:21

none zoom in

10:22

need 2k screen tho

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on normal displays increasing skin resolution does nothing btw

well on full hd it renders ~1429.84(assuming 64 pixels per tile) pixels in width and normal full HD is 1920 pixels in width so it should even improve it on full hd a bit

I remember doubling the resolution did completely nothing on 1920x1080 cause the scaling factor on feet was the same (so still messed up) maybe it improved with the new rendering tho idunno

possible, since the texture coords were wrong with old skin system

anyway I have these if you need it

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wtf

11:02

yeah especially the vanillas are important

they're not the original, just really close

11:02

some little improvements like symmetry and outlines

its ok

11:02

aslong the eyes dont look like 0.7 xD

what's wrong with 0.7 eyes?

they look weird

11:03

bcs they thin and far away from each other

they're fine

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11:04

maybe slightly bigger but it's cute

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11:05

looks creepy xD

11:06

just as reference

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top is how they always should have been, the crossing is some side effect or whatever

well im not about crossing

11:07

they are too huge

11:07

it looks creepy

ChillerDragon, @Deleted User Sure, what name do you want for the repo? What is the plan for normal players? Will we ship the svgs or just ship multiple resolution pngs?

data-svg i guess

ddnet-data-svg?

i'd say we ship a additional directory for releases that is named UHD and has normal data structure

11:08

yeah works too @deen

@Deleted User r u adding svg support?

11:09

poggers

no

11:09

i dont see any sense in it

11:09

will just increase load time even more

thanks deen <3

hm

if someone wants 8k support he'll just use the script to generate the PNGs

Created and invited Jupstar: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-data-svg

ddnet/ddnet-data-svg

Contribute to ddnet/ddnet-data-svg development by creating an account on GitHub.

i think svg can be smaller in file size

that is true yes

can one pr against an empty repo?

11:10

jupstar go add the folder structure with gitkeep ima pr my doodads

try it out, then we know ^^

so u try :p

so whats going on here?

11:11

u adding upscaled textures?

svgs for highres client

we add svgs in first place

highres optional dataset

11:12

yea no forking possible and prs seems dead too

we can still plan on what exactly we want in the client, but for now it would already be nice to collect most of the vanilla PNGs as SVG to have them upscaled by 2x

@deen mind touching a README ?

https://www.khronos.org/openvg/

OpenVG - The Standard for Vector Graphics Acceleration

11:12

poggers

ChillerDragon: I gave you permissions, you should be able to just push

@Ryozuki i mean if u want to do some benchmarks

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oh

maybe if i have time

11:13

ill try it

jupstar u want to do the folder structure right?

11:13

do u also have access?

yeah i assume so

i cant find a clone button and i do not see the usual init text

you have to push an initial commit

yea but when its empty it usually shows the text

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ok ima try to push something

just create an empty readme or smth

11:15

or i do it

11:15

idc

on it

11:15

yea no push rights as i assumed

11:16

the github ui should look different when having push access

[ddnet-data-svg:main] 1 new commit

234fe5b Initial commit - Jupeyy

11:16

[ddnet/ddnet-data-svg] New branch created: main

ah nvm didnt accept :D

uhh

11:16

main branch

11:16

@Ryozuki

ah u were faster

@Deleted User change

i did it after you said it didnt work, chiller

ye jupstar go add the folders or should i do it

https://github.com/settings/repositories

11:17

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can u even push empty folders in git? ^^

with .gitkeep

.gitkeep

11:17

ye ima change to master

11:17

lets go full racist

yeah so racist

11:17

change it on git too

im not sure if i have perms

but tbh, its not so important to create all directories, just add your doodas in the right directory the PNG would be in chiller

git config --global init.defaultBranch master

11:18

just in case

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for the future

ikr

11:18

i have that xd

11:18

yea my github access is too limited to switch default branch sad

and pls also add the license, but i assume you want zlib like teeworlds? ^^

https://github.com/organizations/ddnet/settings/repository-defaults

its nicer if we create prs anyway i'd say

i think only deen can doit

so just fork it and do a normal pr

yea

11:27

deen can we get a racist branch name please? :D

cant u just do git checkout main or what?

oof license im not sure i like permissive stuff i think vanilla teeworlds is so restrictive

11:28

im used to master being the main branch it just adds extra confusion

ChillerDragon: whitepower or what?

i like BSD / MIT and it fits teeworlds

yes!

wat

11:29

@Deleted User but assets dont use mit usually

rename main to master it would save me headache

they use cc or smth

Maybe I should also suggest the Chinese bad reviewers that we can use some Chinese flag from the middle ages instead

monkalaugh

@Ryozuki yeah

maybe we can delay the license a bit

who made the assets

idk

he gets to decide at the end no?

Landil?

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sure

11:30

we inherit license anyways

i dont know if we can change the license

cuz its so restrictive its fucking infectious license

11:30

no we cant

whats license is it

we inherit the cc3bysa whatevery

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sec

but we have to be careful with debian packaging

11:30

it doesnt allow all licenses

cc by sa is fine

ll content under 'data' and 'datasrc' except the font (which has its own

11:30

license) is released under CC-BY-SA 3.0 (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0/).

u just cant do commerical stuff

we have to use it

ok

im fine with it

because the svg rework is similar enough to be counted as based on

is that so?

or we create new textures lul

11:31

im not a lawyer

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i prefer to stay safe

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or Landil might want to jail me

there is a huge grey zone about such things

ikr

same with reverse engeneering

but keep in mind we racist

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so stay in white zone

;D

monkaS

CC-BY fucking SA 3.0 it is then

there is nothing wrong with it

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nobo

its infectous

CC0 best

as bad as GPL

i like viral licenses

ye CC0 masterrace

gpl best

go to mc modding then

11:33

its fully infected by GPL

https://github.com/edg-l/MC-HelperBot

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i set it up

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and use AGPL

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step it up*

its still called main

even better license

@deen are you planning to change the branch or are u main supporter?

Permissions of this strongest copyleft license are conditioned on making available complete source code of licensed works and modifications, which include larger works using a licensed work, under the same license. Copyright and license notices must be preserved. Contributors provide an express grant of patent rights. When a modified version is used to provide a service over a network, the complete source code of the modified version must be made available.

11:34

stallman ensuring freedoms to the users

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greenthing

well tbh its vicious circle. If the world would be open enough so nobody would exploit others work, we wouldnt need any kind of lincese, so CC0 is best. So to protect us from that we make a free as in freedom license, which isnt a completly free license

gpl just ensures that you can't take the rights of the users to have th source code available and modify it

ChillerDragon: None of the above. Just keep it at main for convenience, I don't care either way

i do :/

11:36

or we switch all branches to main

\T/

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this inconsitance makes me nervous

Ryozuki

gpl just ensures that you can't take the rights of the users to have th source code available and modify it

i know, but thats what i mean, its some kind of restrictive. i could build something for friends and i'd violate the license

no u wouldnt if u share the source code

yes

11:37

but thats the point, its a restriction

to ensure the 4 freedoms

nobody cares about my modification probably, maybe its just some troll

@Deleted User i mean the license probably would enforce u to make the modification source code available to those that use i

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it

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in this case ur friends

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should get the source code

11:38

if u dont share the app with anyone else nobody will ever know about it anyway

anyway, for me its a vicious circle.

11:39

there is no end of discussion in this imo

xd

[ddnet-data-svg:pr_grass_doodads] 1 new commit

d0dccd4 Add grass_doodads and CC-BY-SA 3.0 license - ChillerDragon

11:43

[ddnet/ddnet-data-svg] New branch created: pr_grass_doodads

11:43

[ddnet/ddnet-data-svg] Pull request opened: #1 Add grass_doodads and CC-BY-SA 3.0 license

go audit my quality pr jupstar

ok^^

[ddnet/ddnet-data-svg] Pull request opened: #2 [WIP] Readme file

Also meant as discussion, of what the readme should contain. My idea was:

What is it
how to contribute
how to build the PNGs

dunno if something is missing

ah you also edited the readme

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too bad

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first 2 commits, directly merge conflict ^^

awesome

but lets put licenses in a license.txt file

i can untouch readme

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and u do it

yeah just add license.txt and add the text there

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ah chillerdragon: should we not go with data/mapres/.. bcs else game.png will be on the root dir of the repo

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game.svg* ^^

yea but the repo is called data already

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so does that make sense?

mhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh hard decision xd

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yeah then lets go with ur version for now

Ryozuki

u just cant do commerical stuff

CC-BY-SA allows commercial usage just like GPL

ye

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there is one cc that doesnt allow commercial

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tho

Yes, CC BY-NC, CC BY-NC-SA and CC BY-NC-ND

ima only go with svg for now

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idk how to write a license file

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im not a lawyer

we discuss that later

yea

12:26

i wanna yeet in my svg

[ddnet-data-svg:pr_grass_doodads] 1 new commit

46e2f06 Add grass_doodads - ChillerDragon

so ready to merge in ./mapres/ no license?

the liecense is inside the pr title, he file can be added later

ok

12:29

go merge then

12:29

i wanna move on :D

xD

12:29

lets just wait 1 day, sometimes waiting can solve all issues ^^

like conflicts cuz i pr against main

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and its renamed to master

XD

ok cool i move on without merge

yeah, enjoy your day for now

still nice

12:30

we have a repo

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hype

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hrmpf

@GoodGuyGreg I love that skin, where can i get it?

[ddnet-scripts:master] 1 new commit

cf436e3 add dependency for servers - def-

does anyone know how to put point count on own server?

?

Mivvinho

does anyone know how to put point count on own server?

please explain

he wants his own server database

ah

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xd

the official ddnet ranks only work on official ddnet servers

but you can have points for players that finish on your servers

anyone knows how to work with google directions api

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someone please

;-;

delete this warning (edited)

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20:59

it`s only displays on beta version

test1

what map is this on

this on my skin (edited)

tell him sizes

3068x1534 resolution

it says you hsould make the width divisible by 8 and the height divisible by 4

4096x2048 better i guess

i need to re paint my skin?

you should be able to resize it

I'm going to try now

vector format the best

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21:08

is there any way to download the map from the website

github.com/ddnet/ddnet-maps

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-maps/blob/master/types/brutal/maps/Stronghold.map

ddnet/ddnet-maps

All released maps on DDraceNetwork, see also https://ddnet.tw/releases/ and https://maps.ddnet.tw/ - ddnet/ddnet-maps

21:11

@louis yea go to github as gerdoe mentioned and try pressing "t" to open fuzzy file search and enter the map name

@gerdoe ddnet support vector?

no

21:12

no live render

use vector to make hq images then convert it

but u can always export a vector as png in the resolution u need

ofc

cya later guys, with best wishes, u0_a971.

Soyler

delete this warning (edited)

What is this idea even? Why should we remove a warning?

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It's telling you exactly what's wrong with your skin file

@Learath2 but I don't like warnings

;D

21:32

everything ok with my skin (edited)

21:33

it displays well in game without any visuals bugs (edited)

use an image editing program to resize it to a size that is divisible by 8

gfx_show_warnings 0 maybe? :P

yees sir xDDDD

Coke also gets warnings now and then iirc & is to lazy to change image size

I changed to 4k now there are no warnings

We never should have added that config option

yes

21:40

Knew it the second we added that it would be set by everyone so nothing would ever get fixed

how did that config option slip past my gaze?

I was too busy with other things

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3606 Remove gfx_show_warnings

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addresssanitizer--u...

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23:23

what is this error and why did it randomly appear without me changing anything?

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on GitHub Actions

heinrich5991

@Learath2 but I don't like warnings

Computers know it better than humans, so warnings are nice

@fokkonaut looks like a false positive

how do i fix it? why does it only happen in my repo?

idk why it only happens in your repo. you can do something like this for -Wstringop-truncation

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https://github.com/fokkonaut/F-DDrace/blob/b14dfcd679a623596220a6f7565622fbbd0a048c/src/base/system.c#L2533-L2536

fokkonaut/F-DDrace

F-DDrace is a server mod for Teeworlds 0.7 developed by fokkonaut. - fokkonaut/F-DDrace

well ddnet hasnt pushed since 3 days

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nvm prs

23:58

maybe vanilla also has this

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