DDraceNetwork - developer

Hey guys, just thought I'd mention something I guess might not be clear to everyone but I think could be considered a bug which is the hook when tees are falling. If you're falling fast and hook horizontal it's very pronounced in that the hook will go up instead of horizontal, like wayyy up even to off screen.

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I don't think the same thing happens with vertical hooks when the tee is moving fast horizontal.

the hook goes to the same place even if the tee moves after

00:01

it happens moving horizontal too

u sure?

yes

I was testing the horizontal one yesterday, if two tees are horizontal and hook each other the hook happens instant, meaning we don't have to wait for the hook to 'travel', but if they are both falling together they need to aim down to hook each other and if they fall fast enough they can't even hook each other at all anymore even though they're within hook range.

yes

Wouldn't it make more sense if the hook would work regardless of falling speed?

hook isnt instant

00:19

it travels a few blocks per tick

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but u just dont notice it at small distances since its so fast

00:21

i dont think the hook end position changes relative to player so like acqwerty said if ur moving really fast it can look distorted

It's instant when you hook a tee louis, but not instant when you hook map. and yeah the hook end position changes drastically relative to player when falling fast. (edited)

hook speed is not instant by default, no matter if you hook a tile or tee

00:52

there's a tune for that

I used to think so too Souly, but if you test it you'll see.

i did test it lmao

what test did you do?

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@GoodGuyGreg

if you stand max range away from hookable and click shorter duration than hook travel time it will not hook (edited)

00:54

if you stand the same distance from a tee it's impossible

that may seem like it because tee has a big hitbox

00:55

try to enable hookcoll and you will see that hook doesn't need to aim directly at tee to hook it

if you like i'll show you tomorrow, i'm in bed now :p

I'll try it right now

Souly

try to enable hookcoll and you will see that hook doesn't need to aim directly at tee to hook it

yeah ik hitbox is a bigger circle

ddnet or vanilla?

ddnet

i even checked with macro and you cant hook a tee at full distance when you dont hold for long enough

the hook always goes where you started it

@GoodGuyGreg I can hook without attaching

in my test it didnt seem instant

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(see video above)

yes its around 3 ticks before max when standing

my dummy is 8 tees away from me

hm, now i'm doubting myself

GoodGuyGreg

It's instant when you hook a tee louis, but not instant when you hook map. and yeah the hook end position changes drastically relative to player when falling fast. (edited)

this is incorrect

00:57

how would the game know if you are going to hook a tee or not

the hook stops as soon as it hits the max range, so if u are falling and hook down it could theoretically go infinite, if ur fallseped is exactly the hook speed

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it could check @louis

well theres the case of you hooking towards a hookable and a tee falling into your hook while it's traveling

I set up a test yesterday with cloudly so we both fell horizontal at the same time, once we fell fast enough we couldn't hook each other at all anymore.

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idk if that's on purpose but it feels broken.

as said it goes there where u triggered it

00:59

so if u at the same y level, it will stay above it, bcs its not instant

00:59

so you need to hook down to hook him

yeah, but shouldn't it go horizontal relative to the tee? what I mean is if when the tip of the grappling hook exits your tee when you have fall speed, shouldn't it also have fall speed?

in order to hit him as soon he hits that coordinate

01:00

the hook is independent of the tee tho, it has its own direction and current position that the tee "has" the hoook is only a visual thing

01:01

it only stops as soon as the tee pos - hook pos is max hook length

true, in the real world, going at a high speed and throwing an object will have the object flying relative to your position (ignoring some side effects)

01:01

the hook in teeworlds however doesn't go relative to you, but relative to the world

whhaaaat teeworlds is real world

also u cant change physics in teeworlds

why? because players are used to the current physics?

yes

exactly, all maps are made with the current physics and all players are used to it, meaning it won't change

Is there any map part that could be broken if hooks moved relative to tees?

yes

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all

why would u want this XD

01:04

teeworlds is not meant to be realistic

the hook is one of the most essential parts of ddnet, so it will probably break many many maps

or have u ever used a double jump in real life?

Because it's useful to be able to hook tees even if you're falling or moving fast.

u can

@Deleted User intuitive physics are prob good though, and tbh that might be a bit more intuitive if you arent used to the current state ^^

the hook always goes how to trigger it

Depends, if you're falling fast enough it's actually impossible, the tip of the hook goes way off screen

so if u want to hook somebody in "future" while falling, hook down

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yeah

01:06

but if u fall so fast, u might just be fail

01:06

how often does this even happen on ddrace

That's an extreme example, but the effect is noticeable even when falling slow where instead of aiming at the tee you have to hook under them when falling to hook them.

Patiga

@Deleted User intuitive physics are prob good though, and tbh that might be a bit more intuitive if you arent used to the current state ^^

in reallife its realted to air friction tho, so if the hook is just a piece of paper, it would loose alot of velocity

01:07

so it would look similar to now

lol that hook relative to tee woudl break so many maps

by that same logic, the tee would have air friction too.