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Between 2021-01-25 00:00:00Z and 2021-01-26 00:00:00Z

of the current records

Just look at #showroom and maybe someone post their videos there

00:25

I know Klexmikrowelle posts some good runs

This game is hella hard to learn

yessir

where are there entities for louis? downloaded one but it appears to be incomplete

@change name There are plans to make teehistorian demos public, which include rank 1 records. Unfortunately some teehistorian files are multiple gigabytes in size which needs to be fixed first. deen worked on a teeweb based viewer iirc, which you can find on github (edited)

just wait 30 years

03:47

gigabytes will be small by then

@Deleted User check your entities folder, theres another folder called comfort

Dont make teehistorian public lol

6

05:03

It sux

how to validate and register my account ???

06:04

??

What account

06:06

There are no accounts which is good

troll

3

kog

kog sucks

yes

im a fresh player@@

Coople

how to validate and register my account ???

https://youtu.be/po3kl-aw2C8

Tutorial - Register and login on KoG servers

Coople

kog

We're not affiliated with KoG Join their discord and ask one of the moderators there

06:08

https://discord.gg/euN7CDKU

Ok sorry

06:08

thanks

Boti.

https://youtu.be/po3kl-aw2C8

thank you

Play fng instead of kog

06:13

Much more fun

3

ᶰ°Konͧsti

There are no accounts which is good

only good servers have no accounts

06:18

imagine not being able to finish maps for others

realnews

fng doesnt have accounts

fng best mode

danAmazing

06:27

fng best mode

fng best mode

06:39

omg there is fake louis on kog right now

06:39

he said that gores are fun sometimes

wat

06:40

nouis

nouis

nouis

nouis

06:40

nouis

eggouis

@ᶰ°Konͧsti there is some louis on kog right now who said that gores are fun

06:41

justatest

murpi

@change name There are plans to make teehistorian demos public, which include rank 1 records. Unfortunately some teehistorian files are multiple gigabytes in size which needs to be fixed first. deen worked on a teeweb based viewer iirc, which you can find on github (edited)

why teehistorian public wtf, so bad

Why is it bad?

rank1 records, u spent hours searching skips or smth

06:49

for other guy can check it in 2 seconds

06:56

it's like you no longer have to use your brain to find a skip because you can see it on teehistorian

yeah good people without brain steal the tricks of the brains

06:56

Its a shit idea

well, you could delay rank 1 finishes for a certain time before releasing it to the public

06:58

people will find out eventually, and the group of people which like to skip maps and don't play them intentionally is rather small

pepejedi

replay bot nobot

nobot

(edited)

but also, not only the ranks1, you don't even need to think about how to pass parts of some maps

07:11

like brainduck2

07:13

why u want to make it public?

i think it is a great idea

It was requested quite a few times alraedy

looking at other demos is fun

Are you hiding something kenzoo? :P

bad idea

07:21

at least delay rank1 by 3 months

07:21

+ add accounts and only let ppl see top demos after they finish a map

07:21

so u cant just cheat puzzle maps

murpi

Are you hiding something kenzoo? :P

i dm u

you can find most puzzle maps if not all, on youtube or here on discord already (edited)

i dont think thats a good excuse to make it even more accessible

07:34

plus it removes the strategy from top10, makes it less strategy based and more grindy for top ranks since u could just copy the rank 1 strategy

I still think the benefits of making them public still outweigh the cons. Regardless, im pretty sure deen will run a poll about this once everything gets in motion

ye usually i support adding cool new features, but for the replay system i think there should just be some restrictions on when u can view the replays happy

happy

murpi

you can find most puzzle maps if not all, on youtube or here on discord already (edited)

in theory of course u can find all, but in reality r1 roots on some maps is very insane to find out and there still no better ranks over years, it is super unfair for speedrunners. But who care about 10-20 speedrunners, learath will do everything like he want as always..

it is super unfair for speedrunners.

i do agree with this

murpi

Are you hiding something kenzoo? :P

my r1 skips

I don't agree :P Similar to speedrunning any game, records are meant to be broken (edited)

08:08

this feature is not different to speedrun.com which requires people to provide evidence which is then made public for public viewing

08:09

speaking of public viewing and evidence, it's also a great way to get others to find cheated ranks

08:09

similar to Overwatch on CS:GO

no

08:10

similar to trackmania

08:10

trackmania is all about speedrunning, all demos are public i believe

I haven't played trackmania, but thats good to know

look it up, it has big speedrunning playerbase, it is a racing car game

this is so stupid example all people who wanna make records public "all other games speedrun are public" other games speedruns have nothing complicated in these speedruns, in tw u put a lot of effort in thinking about way how u gonna do it, there are TONS of different ways to do the map compared to any other game

trackmania is probably more technical than tw

no

08:12

never lol

yes

08:12

do u know the game even?

yes

and u know that they have to analyze every bit of the map to see where and how they skip

how long are u playing tw lukas

and skipping is super precise

all other games speedrun are public" other games speedruns have nothing complicated in these speedruns

which is completely false

sure

murpi

people will find out eventually, and the group of people which like to skip maps and don't play them intentionally is rather small

i dont think ppl which skip is smaller, i was first one to skip victory 3 and hide it like 5 months, nobody finished, then i upload r1 to yt and a lot of ppl finish now xd

u guys have no idea how deep could be ways for record in tw

08:15

@baby frog how long are u playing

long time

those are team 0 ranks, noone really cares about t0 ranks

since 2015

murpi

those are team 0 ranks, noone really cares about t0 ranks

i stop talk with u, u have completely no idea xd

I was talking to Kenzoo, but alright :P

t0 ranks are best

08:17

anyway victory3 possible finish on teammmm too

Will rank 1, rank 1 team or both be made public?

literally nothing is set in stone

i agree with kicker on this too, it will be a mess for speedrunners. i also think that we should have 2p servers so you can play in private & a server to test every map released so you dont have to use trashmap each time. would be sick if on the website you can go on a map and press start server and it makes a server for you xD

It would be super gay to have private servers

08:25

Then People would just play in private and you would never see them

thats speedrunning in a nutshell for you (edited)

08:26

:D

Teehistorian files should be public you can find out every bug on your own if you know something about the game

08:27

Its not gonna break anything

Go find me oyt 5 min root on justice 2 @Ama

I found it 5 years ago but People were to bad to do it

So coukd u show me, i think im good enough to do it now

You could skip deepfreeze and get rocket in the second part or even before startline

The amount of times we had to re-upload justice 2 is mind-boggling

NDA

ama took like 4+ people to find all the skips for sub 5 min. you could skip start line, get jetpack, and do all the other skips

Im pretty sure Phacrum gave up fixing it

Why do u all even discuss on it?

08:29

peepoDetect

Why not? It's teeworlds general

because this idea is trash

08:30

lol

It's always nice to see what peoples opinion are on new features (edited)

08:30

cuz I for one, didn't really think about the speedrunning issue when I first thought about said feature

I'm also for the feature, probably because I'm used to it with Trackmania as well

08:31

being able to see the top1 rank usually increases overall run quality

^

08:32

wheres the fun in doing a run no one will be able to compete with for 5 years

08:32

the point of speedrunning is to constantly improve the best time (edited)

how does it work in track mania? its like a ghost while you race?

Have you ever done speedrunning @baby frog ?

you can do both @Aoe , just watch or compete against it

i speedran getting cereal this morning, so yes i know a thing or two

akoalathumbsup

Wheres the fun u put a lot of effort into searching a crazy root and some braindead guy just gonna regrind crazy root u found

then u do it better

@Kicker

if hes so braindead should be easy

IT'S ABIUT SPEEDRINNING

08:34

About competition

08:34

but lol

U no need brain for grind same map for hours

depends on the map

U have no rank 1 right lukas

doesnt it take skill to do all the parts fast?

Why ij even talking with u

how does that not require brain

Im stupid

Kickers being stubborn

08:35

but I understund :P

there are always people who find the cuts with a big brain, and then the people who perfect these cuts with grinding and effort

Anyone who putting effort into searching some insane way will say same as i am talking here

Glitchhunters arent top speedrunners in most games

But there onky few such people so who cares

Exactly who cares so stfu

justatest

08:37

dont be rude

Lets keep this civil

I just wanted to see if he gets triggerd haha

@Kicker So people who has no experience of painstaking search of skips and much ranks talking about make top5 public, cause have no idea how hard it can be, like lukas

im just trying to converse with u guys u dont need to be mean

Even if u're a genius, what's the point if a braindead comes and just looks at how you finished the map xD

BlaGK

there are always people who find the cuts with a big brain, and then the people who perfect these cuts with grinding and effort

People who find big brainspeedrun ways uploading their runs on yt by themselfes

We aren't mean

thats ur opinion

so if they don't have a problem with it, why do you

In other games

U just don't understand what are u talking about, u gave me an example about other speedrunner games, but who cares, we are talking about tw

Because hiw else they gonna prove they set world record speedrunning some game @BlaGK

Ofc admins gonna do like they want

no

08:41

they will make a poll and see what we think (edited)

Since when u are here @baby frog

baby frog

they will make a poll and see what we think (edited)

Lmao

thats literally what murpi said

08:41

u really think they wont ask the community about something like this?

08:42

its a small game anyway

XDD

Since when u are here @baby frog

what do u even mean

you guys are first class bullies :P

thats not my point

A cheater doesnt want to get his gameplay released guess why haha

im not talking about the past

08:42

something like this will definitely have a poll

That's what no brain guys gonna said cause they have no arguments @Ama

08:42

He's a cheater

08:42

or botter

08:43

i don't give a fuck

08:43

lol

You botted you Little bitch

And?

08:43

what can u do with it?

08:43

nothing

08:43

Just stay and watch

Watch and delete all your ranks

08:43

Is my hope

ahha

08:44

u can believe in it

08:44

Like guys, who blamed jao cause he stopped deleting my ranks after the ban

08:44

Yea

08:44

admins just bad they said

08:44

but what's for real?

We will see how much you cheated

08:46

Ok was a fun conversation i like you all just trolling haha

Stop crying about it, hiding your inferiority, I never said I didn't use cheats or anything, but if the only thing you can say is he's a botter, you just not worth my time

Ok botter

Anyone who has ever talked to me personally knows that I can sned my demo without any problems, Idc about it gonna be public

08:47

i just watch to people who asked me about it

08:47

Nhello

thats a lie and u know it

wdym

just sayin

i don't even understand u lukas

you just want to watch people ask u for it?

08:49

i dont think that is the entire reason

I didn't mean that wtf

08:50

i meant i remember all who asked about demos or smth

08:50

and all of them are cool guys

hm ok

08:50

not sure what u meant then but whatever

Because 1 demo isnt enough to see the replay bot haha

I'd like to see how u gonna watch through all my demos after they make teehistiorian public

08:51

good luck with that xD (edited)

I really dont think im go na be the one watching them

In the older Trackmania Games, there was a community-run rank database called Dedimania. To be able to download the top1 ranks I think you had to donate 1€. Maybe that's an Idea to also support the Server Costs

Ama

I really dont think im go na be the one watching them

You think admins never did it?

You think i have time for that shit

Don't think so

08:54

It's stupid xD

Im just here trolling before going to work

The only good way if u know what was botted

I will forget the conversation happened in 10 minutes

5min

How about that those who are or were in the top5 can see it?

It doesnt matter who sees it

08:56

They just cry for no reason

08:57

99% of People wont even try the skips

think twice.

How about that those who are or were in the top5 can see it?

I would think that the people most interested in the top rank are those that aren't in the top ranks. So denying them seems counter-intuitive

RonIn

Anyone who has ever talked to me personally knows that I can sned my demo without any problems, Idc about it gonna be public

how does sending a demo prove that u didnt bot

09:00

lol

I haven't said it prove i didn't bot

BlaGK

I would think that the people most interested in the top rank are those that aren't in the top ranks. So denying them seems counter-intuitive

That doesn't make sense.

i meant if people wanted they asked personally (edited)

09:01

demos about r1

09:01

i'm about hiding skips

09:01

not about bot

@BlaGK Are you trying to tell me that people with rank 3 aren't interested in getting r1?

no

09:02

they are interested as well of course

ama xd

09:03

Maybe it's just the Trackmania Viewpoint but when I see I'm far behind, I wonder why and look up what the rank1 does

@Palhaço Maluco?

RonIn

i'm about hiding skips

well thats fair lol

About hiding bot

i mean its a fair argument in the general sense

why are you trying to hide skips? are you scared of someone beating you?

Because you could've put a lot of effort into finding a skip. Also sometimes you can't just see it but you have to do a specific strategy which could be complicated and took a lot of time to find out.

09:08

I think the best thing would be to show where the skip is but not how it's done.

wasnt the point of teehistorian to catch cheaters

09:08

the info should be available to mods and such

it's not like the effort goes to waste, you can consider yourself a part of a joint effort to maximize a map's run potential

BlaGK

it's not like the effort goes to waste, you can consider yourself a part of a joint effort to maximize a map's run potential

Imagine spending one hour to find a complicated skip and another one to perform it well. Then your rank gets shared and someone just copies what you did in 20min.

thats not the biggest thing about speedrunning though

09:10

thats only one part of it

I don't need to imagine. I've had my fair share of experiences with Trackmania already

09:11

if he's a mechanically better player than me, then so be it

Why does everyone go back to Trackmania? The games couldn't be more different.

09:12

Also there are checkpoints in most games that deny you from skipping which means it is just grinding.

dont make historian public wtf

think twice.

Why does everyone go back to Trackmania? The games couldn't be more different.

that's an exaggeration

BlaGK

that's an exaggeration

I am glad that you still got my point.

BlaGK

if he's a mechanically better player than me, then so be it

And the problem here is that sometimes it doesn't require a lot of skill to do a skip but just to know how to do it. And that is the point.

@think twice. they are very much the same in terms of speedrunning. scower (certain) maps to find ways to skip it. then perfect that route through precision

09:16

and you have to analyze the map pretty heavily to find the skips

09:16

which is identical to tw?

09:17

they are not the same game but they are the same concept

i think that skips should be shared only with admin team if rank is suspicious and bugs could be used to make it

09:18

sharing skips with everyone would be just dumb

aPES2_Cheer

After reading all of this, I question why we even run a rank system if people don't want their times to be beaten. Doesn't really make sense to me

why would you want your rank to get beaten

oh wait, it's probably the bragging rights

you found skip by yourself and you used it to get a fair rank 1

09:21

others can do the same thing but you were first

09:21

and you dont want to share it (edited)

I'd consider this selfish then

because it is

think twice.

And the problem here is that sometimes it doesn't require a lot of skill to do a skip but just to know how to do it. And that is the point.

how would you feel if you've practiced a map for hours for rank1 and then someone get's a better time with an "easy skip" and you can't even look it up?

if you found a skip then its up to you if you want to share it with others or not (edited)

BlaGK

how would you feel if you've practiced a map for hours for rank1 and then someone get's a better time with an "easy skip" and you can't even look it up?

Then I would be interested and would want to try and find it myself.

and if you can't?

Skips should be fixed and deleted anyways

09:26

Because 1 hour maps shouldnt be finished in 5 minutes

4

4

I bet after a year or two, our ranks on EU will be obsolete. china will take over everything

BlaGK

and if you can't?

I would find out somewhen. But until then the person deserves the better rank because he/she/it think_bot

think_bot

saw something I didn't.

this "until then" would be when that person looks up the rank and does it better. atm you can't even say when it will be. (edited)

So you believe that only one person would be able to find the skip?

no

i dont understand keeping a skip secret for many years though. seems boring to me

it's about evening the playing field and giving everybody a fair chance to compete. You could argue that people who can't find a skip don't deserve to compete, but that's also a pretty counterproductive viewpoint imo

1st place is shit

09:42

420th place is best

murpi

After reading all of this, I question why we even run a rank system if people don't want their times to be beaten. Doesn't really make sense to me

its not that i dont like that rank will be beaten, but that it is very unfair that I have put a lot of effort looking for a skip, wasting a lot of time and that another person comes without doing anything and beat my time? annoying af

yes

1

09:48

i want that if someone beat my rank, it is with the same effort that I did, and it should be like that

well why was he able to beat you?

cuz my runs aren't perfect?

so even if your run isn't perfect, your rank is not supposed to be beaten? (edited)

should be beaten with the same effort that i did looking for the skip

you are not entitled to that right as a speedrunner

09:53

unfortunately thats just how it works

who u

09:53

u just random, i think u play since 2 months or smth

09:54

i bet everyone who wants the public teehistorian are all brainded

09:55

@murpi btw it shows chat?

and team chat?

fuck im late

Guys, it was just an idea lol, nothing is set in stone.

im also against teehistorian public r1s btw

does it show chat tho murpi?

I think we're talking past eachother

nothing is implemented

yes, lets discuss new pogchamp, i think the one i have on my pfp is the best

There was a plan to make this a feature, I wanted to see what others think by pulling some opinions

i think the general opinion is yes

1

big no

based on past conversations

There were discussions about this in the past which I didn't really keep track of

but it shows chat? alo

yes kenzoo, it shows your address aswell

troll

1

how would the all have strong hook work btw? would you fix collisions too, so you dont get the speedbug when going down in fly etc?

the time of day, your daily schedule, what shoes you were wearing on that day, the color of your shorts, your browser history, everything (edited)

even your webcam

09:59

nice tshirt btw

all strong hook wouldnt work

09:59

is paradox

10:00

dont think about it

all strong hook would be stupid but i will keep hating on weak

strong hook weak hook perfectly balanced

1

Aoe

how would the all have strong hook work btw? would you fix collisions too, so you dont get the speedbug when going down in fly etc?

abit late eh? :D We had this discussion and a poll to change weak/strong behavior a week ago

ye i guess but still wonder if you would fix collision too or not. cus then you would have to keep track of who has the real strong etc..

10:06

i voted no because i was sure the collision would still be bugged

I think learath and fokkonaut tested it iirc

10:08

it worked pretty well, but don't quote me on that

public teehistorian big nono

nono ❄️

lets make a poll

11:06

make teehistorian public?

9

8

im voting for demo of 10 top teamranks and 10 topranks

if its cutted it should be public

11:19

but normal gameplay should

A chat platform like Discord is not the proper place for these teehistorian discussions (or any other discussion spanning multiple weeks/months/years). You can use the github issue instead so that it is easier to keep track of opinions on one topic and not restart the discussion every few weeks: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/2937

Teehistorian Replayer · Issue #2937 · ddnet/ddnet

I haven't really started yet, if someone wants to help tell me: Replay modus on server that opens a teehistorian file as inputs Should run faster than realtime, no sleeps, instantly go to n...

github should make a oauth2 with discord

more 12yo with github profiles (im too btw xd)

@gerdoe u shouldnt say ur 12 in discord

11:53

it can get u banned iirc

11:53

i think 13 is the minimum age

pepesweat

11:53

Hi I'm 13 (edited)

justatest

(this actually got people banned, so better don't do that)

Why tho

im not 12 yo but anyway i have github account

because discord says their service is for 13 and up, and needs to enforce this at least on a report basis, otherwise they'd be liable under some american child protection law

11:56

hence they will ban people claiming to be 12

I see

11:57

Actually I think they would probably check my credit card info that I've used for nitro even if I got reported for being 12 right (edited)

perhaps

virtual credit card can be owned by 12 yo maybe

12:00

maybe, he can use dad's card or card of another adult

Well if their dad had them at 13, ye

12:20

Wait credit card doesn't have birth year lol

12:20

justatest

hi

12:26

fury

hi

hi

when is the next tournament

You wanna know when not to play ?

13:28

Because of ddos

@Ama i already discussed with the admin to move from hetzner but they won't cause of cost

You know most hosters throw you out after a ddos attack

13:41

Or the servers are not reachable for a whole day

We tried many hosters, worry not

13:43

Most hosters will make some insane bandwidth claims hoping you wont use it all, then when you use it they null-route you

People have no idea they think they buy a server and the server is ok with ddos attacks haha

Linode says you have access to their 40 gbps network, no asterisks. You go over an amount they won't even tell you and boom your linode is offline for a day

13:44

Hetzner actually delivers their 1gbps fairly consistently and they won't null route you. Problem is they have very meh peerings.

13:45

Anyway, we run a couple GER servers all the time trying new hosters. Feel free to suggest another miracle solution

I dont know shit about that

13:46

I dont know shit about that

Not you I mean @!ʎø1øʞıƝg

13:47

Is discord being a goof for you too?

Semes like it haha

@Learath2 Like i said we should move to nfoservers

14:33

@Learath2 True Hetnzer gives you unlimited bandwith but their ddos does not exactly work so i recommend we move to Nfoservers or OVH Hosting Ger at OVH would reduce alot of problems

14:35

I honestly get what u are saying about null-routing as i tried all kinds of host

we were on nfoservers, they regularly firewalled us off

14:38

We tried OVH 5 times now I think, a VPS, a SYS GAME, and 3 different OVH dedicated servers

i see, So spoofing the mastersrv's was the issue?

14:39

why did u stop hosting at ovh then

OVH solves the ddos by blocking all traffic except established traffic

14:39

very effective, awful for udp game servers as they could not possibly have any idea what "established" means

yes true

14:40

but i mean it worked for a fair amount

14:40

it's better than to accept all traffic and have ddos for all active players

every hoster works for a decent time, until the ddosers get back from vacation

!ʎø1øʞıƝg

it's better than to accept all traffic and have ddos for all active players

This would work if they could figure out what it means for a connection to be from an "active player"

True but that is in the source

14:41

like Vali said souce code exploited

There are solutions like these, high performance stateful hardware firewalls. Costs a metric fuckton (edited)

well hetzner does not solve the issue a whole lot better than current ovh or nfo

do hosters drop you if you get ddosed too much

Atleast they don't just null route us or firewall us off

cost active it's very good

14:42

but long term is very annoying for players

louis

do hosters drop you if you get ddosed too much

Most do, they advertise these massive bandwidths because they know most of their customers will only host a website or sth

14:43

We tried many servers that aren't cost effective too, like the ovh dedicateds

louis

do hosters drop you if you get ddosed too much

oh yes lol u can make a ticket and they will be like yes we can't do anything against UDP blablabla

14:43

All hosters say they have ddos protection

one of them cost almost as much as all the other servers combined

14:44

Look, this problem is one that is only solvable if you have fat stacks of cash to throw at it

i agree with you cost and managing it all is a pain but if we look for a better solution

14:44

like transporting from one host to another

14:44

sucks alot

14:45

do we have a active iptable firewall or do we let the host do all the work?

We optimized the netcode as much as we could. The profile of the application has never been this clean. There are only a haandful of syscalls left. Next step is dropping the traffic inside the kernel which should let us squeeze out a bit more performance from the dedicated servers we have. But none of us are kernel hackers, nor are we network engineers

i know but do we actively try to improve network iptables or some sort of guide that we follow

14:46

trying to utilize firewall within the system

There isn't much to drop with iptables when the link itself is getting saturated

or even kernel settings

I added rules to drop almost the entirety of the attack on GER2 a couple days ago, did that help?

yes and no

14:47

1 we couldn't see the servers on the master servers

14:47

but

14:47

we could see them on status.tw

14:47

so was not effective

It helps slightly but it won't help much as iptables is already quite far up the network stack

true but utilize other firewall alternative

At that point we have already wasted significant time in the network cards microcode, the network cards firmware, and the kernel

Please make teehistorian public finally ill be able to beat lola 200iq ranks

recvmmsg lets us eat up the random garbage traffic quite effectively, so as I said the remaining optimizations mostly lie in either restructuring the netcode or eBPF filters directly in the network card

Yes but is it active or passive program

14:50

like IDS u have to manually or automatic

14:50

like INAP back in the day did very well

The idea with an eBPF filter is to have the teeworlds netcode communicate to the filter in the kernel, informing it about who has an established connection, who is leaving

the thing is all yoloking is talking about is theory XD

Nono

14:52

Listen eBPF filter won't help much

but in reality everything is diffrent i think the dev team is quite good and looked for solutions for 7 years and didnt find anything useful

because the system might get overrun if u catch my drift

Problem is a) I'm not a kernel hacker b) I'm not a network engineer. Neither of which would matter as I would put in the time to learn the skills if it wasn't for c) It's a huge uncertainty whether it will work or not

14:53

Overrun with what? I didn't even outline what I would do within the filter

we aren't network engineers no

14:53

i meant performance

If the link gets saturated we could drop all the packets instantly and it wouldn't matter. If we are dropping the packets as efficiently as possible (which we can only do inside the kernel (and preferably with an intel NIC even inside the NIC firmware)), we can then look into getting stronger machines.

14:55

Some of the attacks yesterday were large enough to saturate the link, nothing much to do about those except throwing a large amount of money

No Learath listen did you test the firewall of hetzner like yourself tried to take it down?

Some didn't which means we were having trouble ingesting the traffic, but there is nothing much left in the profile of the netcode, so that means the performance we can squeeze out either lies in the kernel, or it's just the limit of what we can process. Cloudflare manages to do an impressive amount of packets per second using their kernel tweaks, so my bet is we can get more without throwing more money at that side of the problem

!ʎø1øʞıƝg

No Learath listen did you test the firewall of hetzner like yourself tried to take it down?

As I'm not a criminal, no I did not

no don't understand

14:57

many booters let you test it on your own systems and devices

Booters don't care, hetzner does

14:57

It's network abuse and it's illegal

1 it's not network abuse 2 it's illegal if u are not permitted 3 if u own the service and want to test or fix network issues it's handy

you dont own something you rent XD

if u look on it from the hetzner side yes it's network abuse but if u are trying to fix network issues

Who do you think needs to give you permission? You don't own the network because you rent a 1g link

@Ama would u rent something for months and find out that a free booter can take it down

14:59

Even it's a 1G link

14:59

if it can't block it

You know there are terms to renting something, right? You agree to legal conditions. I'm fairly sure one of those is that we will not abuse the network

i would as i dont run public servers XD

yes i get what you are saying

15:00

but i asked many host and they didn't see to have a issue with it

15:00

fair use they say we can use the network but not for a long period of time

15:01

well if they advertize 20GBPS of ddos protection

15:01

or bigger like 1TB

You know what, I'll humor you. Let's bet on it, we mail hetzner ask them if we are allowed to ddos our own server. If they say yes I'll donate 20e to ddnet. If they say no you donate the 20

Hm it's a fun and i am interested but sadly this month i already spent my money elsewhere i will take your bet next month

I am fairly certain they don't want us wasting precious processing time on their juniper firewalls worth tens of thousands of dollars per unit, guzzling electricity down with their triple redundant PSUs

15:03

Sure, hmu next month

yea sadly the bills are high in my butt

15:04

riots going on too

The pandemic hasnt been good for anyone

true

Except maybe mask factories

THE SECURITY SOLUTION: DDOS PROTECTION Our system protects you and your data by utilizing Arbor and Juniper hardware.

15:05

Nono mask factories are automated

15:05

i see

If we could get custom code running on that Arbor we would be golden

yes

They only have profiles for the couple of popular games

@Learath2 how much for a cheap vps on hetzner

3€ a month I think

hm

15:06

if i donate that 3 will u give me a test vps

As I said I believe it to be illegal, if you want to test it buy it yourself

thing is hetzner does not accept my registration

I have never been a very lucky person. With my odds I would instantly get arrested and tried for cybercrimes

Well if you tried contacting hetzner

15:08

why don't u ask for that arbor

Well could try, but given how much they cost on other hosters, I doubt they would quote us a cheaper price

For our sakes don't change to different hosters or unknown hosters

15:09

atleast not yet

15:09

try others with a small playerbase

15:10

do you have to pay extra to hetzner?

15:11

many people suggest using ovh

15:12

try ovh over a fail-over ip

Learath2

I have never been a very lucky person. With my odds I would instantly get arrested and tried for cybercrimes

u are correct some host are only comfortable with only pentesting

Learath why are u stupid?:)

He isn't

ScReeNy

Learath why are u stupid?:)

Look the reason it's hard to protect the servers is 1. the game is UDP so in that of itself is hard to protect via firewall and 2 not being able to put any iptables or firewall because of network related issues

thanks for the explaination, but i was refering to something else

Ah lol okay

15:24

mb

15:25

and since learath2 is part of a large known network org

15:26

@ScReeNy u should convince @Learath2 To use iptables

@ScReeNy I'm guessing you are referring to the github issue

Well okay @Learath2 Use ip tables. You should listen to my advice, because im very much into the topic. As much as you as a Player with literally ZERO rank points thinks he should decide on public rank 1's

Yeah knew it

im gonna answer seriously on github, but this is discord after all

Learath2 do it

15:28

use them

15:28

test them

Apparently you don't have anything to add to your argument as it's baseless and empty like all your other ones. So you come here and insult me instead

@Learath2 Try this one https://github.com/falsandtru/iptables-firewall/

falsandtru/iptables-firewall

iptables rule generating and management script. Contribute to falsandtru/iptables-firewall development by creating an account on GitHub.

Jokes on you, I'm not offended by being called a subpar player

"im gonna answer seriously on github"

If you had anything serious to add, you would do it there instead of coming here trying to boost yourself by trying to undermine my credibility :)

i look forward to your reply learath

why would i discuss it here, it would just get forgotten

btw what os do u use to host teeworlds

15:31

ubuntu ?

Debian on hosts that have it, ubuntu on others and if neither are available centos

okay will u try that iptable firewall?

15:33

i think most os have iptables pre installed

I'm fairly comfortable with using iptables and nftables by hand. What does that add?

Eh a whole lot op protection u can see it on github

15:34

Blocks alot of stuff

It's in japanese, and it says iptables rule generation and management script. We are all fairly comfortable doing both by hand

true but u can utilize a bit of the script

15:35

it might help

That's why I asked. Does it provide automatic rule generation? Some AI pattern learning? Some protection against common new attacks?

15:36

I'll take a look at it, later might be good japanese practice at the very least :P

Well there are some on github that are automatic

15:36

but i don't think automatic firewalls will be good practice

They usually are not

this firewall will do a bunch to help

It doesnt do anything unless you tell it to how will it do a bunch to help? :D

xD

As said I/we already use iptables to block attacks

15:39

Anyway, I need to go to the post office, the market and get back to studying

well if i had to explain it's common it will keep internal and external threats to a base minimum everything that is meant to stay in the network u can set to PRIVATE or PUBLIC it will change the basic kernel rules for more efficient packet handling(i recommend u change this because if a player is downloading something and network is bad it will refuse to let him join) will detect attacks on your netbios(think you already covered this) block invalid packets or not needed like scanning open ports. Detect flooding and Will log it and block. No bruteforce no ping of death no synflood no flood on port 443 no udp flood no icmp flood portflood and will leave u with a nice clean (iptables -L -v) and is adjustable from the config

15:42

@Learath2

15:42

it's also capable of denying entire countries if u so desire it

15:43

only thing is u need to manually add teeworlds to the upper rules

15:43

i did it like this and it's fine

Image attachment

15:46

only problem is can't ping your own server but i can still connect to it on teeworlds

15:50

@Learath2 well?

Anyway, I need to go to the post office, the market and get back to studying

murpi

Anyway, I need to go to the post office, the market and get back to studying

No u

@!ʎø1øʞıƝg GER1 was OVH, many complained that they had really high ping. GER3 is living-bots.

16:14

I know some people got 10 gbit/s dedicated servers from OVH, but unfortunately they don't offer that anymore. I spent/wasted a few hours on the phone with OVH support to figure that out.

16:18

If you can find someone who would transfer their server to us, we'd use that.

help i cant join servor

@deen Why keep looking at OVH then like there are other host available Hm did u try contacting https://buyvm.net/kvm-dedicated-server-slices/

BuyVM - KVM Slices Dedicated Server Performance with 100% SSD Stora...

16:30

u can contact them

it keeps me connecting forever

16:30

REEEEE

ᶰ°Konͧsti

it keeps me connecting forever

Bla Bla Bla what servor r u talking about

ger2 and ger3

Port?

ger3 8304

try f1 and connect

u

16:33

@deen send help

xD

16:33

dude

16:33

Try this

16:33

Image attachment

buyvm seems to be in Luxembourg, also quite expensive. not sure if they are any better

what is the budget?

16:35

7$ per month

16:35

u can contact them for a custom order

i still cant join ger server :(((((

Will depend on performance. I'd be ok with 80 € / month for a dedicated 10 gbit/s server in Frankfurt

so 10 gbit/s specificly

@ᶰ°Konͧsti if it's both ger2 and ger3 it's probably your connection?

but i can join rus

ᶰ°Konͧsti

i still cant join ger server :(((((

Hm did u try connect?

you are banned from ger

u#

internet

It's possible that your ip address was used in the ddos attacks, maybe spoofed, maybe from some client you installed

ok its not all ger servers but for example 8304 and 8321 and 8323

did you use internet tab yesterday? Ifr you have a dynamic ip address, can you try getting a new one?

i dont have any non ddnet client installed

happy

4

trolloween

2

@ᶰ°Konͧsti dont click on internet tab they prob collect ips there to spoof later monkaS

monkaS

ok i try restart router, my IP doesnt change often

@deen why not host AWS or Google cloud

16:39

actually never mind is expensivce

16:43

@deen Is there need for bandwith or is it need for 2TB enough?

@deen still cant join feelsbadman

feelsbadman

16:44

and someone kick Infinity, filthy ddoser

https://greencloudvps.com/kvm-10gbps-vps.php

@ᶰ°Konͧsti i banned u

fv

@ᶰ°Konͧsti if u are banned can u refresh the server does it appear in your webbrowser?

im not banned

16:45

i can see all servers

16:46

and can join some

But not possible to connect hm

16:46

Kinda sus

wow kinda sus is so funny

Try joining another port

16:47

can u join then?

@cyberfighter stfu redditor

u stfu fake jao

Ok incel

u

@bajojajo insulting others is not tolerated on this discord, stop doing that

16:54

@cyberfighter this is the fourth time you violated the rules, I'm going to mute you until tomorrow

kek

7

2

@!ʎø1øʞıƝg yes, AWS and GCP is not bad, but we'd pay way too much for bandwidth

yes tre

We tried it for 2 weeks for DDNet Korea, and I think that cost 50 € in bandwidth already. But it worked well even with 5 Gbit/s DDoS incoming (edited)

17:04

Oracle Cloud looked nice, but their interface was so horrible that I got locked out at some point and never managed to order a server

17:04

Since they have free bandwidth for the amount we need

In the realm of smaller cloud hosters with unmetered connections I think we tried linode and digitalocean, both had too heavy ddos protection iirc

they nullrouted us and told me some companies I should ask for ddos protection. those companies asked for > 1000 € / month per location

linode and do?

one of them told that and nullrouted, the other maybe only had such strong protection that normal gameplay became impossible

I think we had a handful more hosters we wanted to try

we can also go back to OVH and go up to 2 gbit/s vps that they have and hope that helps a bit, but high ping will remain

@deen let's try ovh or nfoservers again

But we can only test them properly when there is a tournament, and a tournament is not time to try new things ;P

17:08

6th time on OVH is the charm is the old saying right?

not sure if the high ping means lots of lags because for me everything is just fine

players specifically complain about high ping

pings or lagas

I believe their statements that they can feel the ping (especially those playing with antiping off)

It takes a fair bit of time to adjust to a new delay

Well let's make a poll?

Took me an entire day when we moved back to frankfurt

nfo or ovh

nfoservers nullroutes us on DDoS attacks

I didn't notice anything of the sort

Especially since yesterday they were > 30 gbit/s

17:10

maybe you get smaller attacks

30 gbits??

17:10

holy sh

Why? We tried both, we weren’t satisfied with either, do you think players that don’t know much about networking will know better?

@cyberfighter kek

kek

17:11

youreMuted

wait

They have to protect their other customers, if we take their entire bandwidth, we get nullrouted

@deen https://greencloudvps.com/billing/cart.php?a=confproduct&i=0

well, actually the networking company they use (internap) does that

They got 10 g/bit

deen

They have to protect their other customers, if we take their entire bandwidth, we get nullrouted

Interestingly enough, hetzner doesn’t seem to allow us to burst much at all

I think it's a 1gbit/s network card

But in the 1g we have, it seems that all the packets get thru

can't burst there

Ah, that’d make sense

yes most of them provide 1 g/bit

Most of them don’t let you get aaaanywhere close to that 1g

yes if u do a speedtest

Just delete all the filthy ddos idiots from life

ᶰ°Konͧsti

Just delete all the filthy ddos idiots from life

I have offered a trial by combat many times, they won’t bite

feelsbadman

they give u actual 1/gbit port

17:13

well most of the time

Their mom doesnt allow them to leave House after 6pm

it's corona we got a clock on lockdown now

17:14

No going outside after 9 PM

Online.net is a great example. They offer 1g links, but it’s actually 10g per rack 20 servers per rack

Is ddos impossible to avoid

So if you stay above 500m too much, they just throttle you to 500m

If ur rich enough ddos cant hart u

If it’s anywhere above 1g you get a nice boot

yes

Just ddos them back

17:16

2124_peepoClown

Enough of this anyway. We have 2 GER servers for atleast this month. If we decide to let one run out we can then discuss who we try next

@Learath2 yes

but i cant join feelsbadman

feelsbadman

For the record, I think voxillity offers the most bandwidth per ur $ but people have been saying their ddos protection is too aggressive so maybe not worth a try given how expensive it can get

ᶰ°Konͧsti

but i cant join feelsbadman

feelsbadman

GER2 or GER3?

i can join Some ger servers but Some ger2 and ger3 not

17:19

Even with new ip

Can you put udp application behind CDN to hide the application ip justatest

justatest

just do what dbd did and run the servers from one, randomly selected player

17:23

problem solved

yes, starting at 5000$/m per location at cloudflare

Oof

Im gonna donate

17:25

banger

Start running ads

no thanks

robotZubat

y not

17:26

i guess ads cost money

17:26

wait, they make money

17:26

im not sure

Imagine mapping ads into envelopes

feelsamazingman

2

Shadow Raid Legend

@TsFreddie you can make unused tune zone spammers with ads

how to de_multeasymap?????

I mean people wait hours in freeze why not watch ads while u wait trollouis

trollouis

id do it

17:29

microtransactions too

17:29

$5 for rainbow skin

10$ for mod

Ads bad

17:30

We will not be able to get one of those super servers anyway. And for the ones we can afford there are still enough people that are donating

Ads while the map is downloading? ;P

;c

17:39

Ads are annoying

17:39

but

17:39

hear me out a sec

17:39

in tf2 there are ads in betweens rounds

17:39

but in race there is no in between rounds

17:39

Perhaps in motd?

17:39

if u join

who would give ad in 2d retro shooter game community

DDNet Quick Tournament #55. Sponsored by redbull

kek

1

17:40

We should add audio ads

Yes

17:40

Everyone can mute

17:40

i play with tw muted

deen

no thanks

Thanks for this

oh nvm

Foss with ads lol

17:48

I'll donate money rn, need this game to work or I get withdrawals

ayo

17:49

@deen How to convert 0.6 maps to 0.7

Drag the map into map_convert_07

Wow

put the resulting file in maps7/ directory

ok thank u sir

since when ranks show how much better were you against other players

17:56

in %

omg they added it??

17:57

thats epic

@ano since today

@Im 'corneum apparently it was easier to do than I thought

nice

18:01

but what sounds better youre better than 99% of all players youre withing the top 1% of all players

I found the latter bad when you're the top player, because then we'd say 0%

in the game i have the idea from theres actually a clan called 1%

18:02

but idk im just used to the other format

@deen we could add a branch for 0% and just say new record?

sure, but i liked the better than x percent

Yeah me too

Sponsored by red bull would be nice cheers

cheers

18:13

peeporedbull

but jetpack already gives u wings

Petition for dedicated assets for ~~jetpack~~ all ddnet weapons (edited)

when rerate race?

3

hi

@deen is it possible to convert maps the other way around?

18:24

from 0.7 to 0.6

flag_unk

@Souly STOP

what

We need race rerating

@ᶰ°Konͧsti No

rerate race

No

18:33

Denied

you dont even play the game dude

Dude i do

18:33

wtf

18:33

rude

i recon how much race you play then

24/7

race rerate would be great

Hm

18:34

We can implement rerating at the beginning of the year

18:34

Or

18:34

BEar with me

18:34

We make seasons

18:34

And Per season we hand out rewards

rerate solo

whats wrong with solo

low points

nothing wrong with solo points, race points on the other hand is ridicoulus

solo points so low

18:36

haha solo points so lo

18:36

u get like 12 points for 3* which is basically a medium moderate but no moderate player can do it

18:37

race more unbalanced tho

I think race and solo could get the same ratings

Like novice, Moderator, brutal, insane?

1* 2pts 2* 4pts 3* 8pts 4* 16pts 5* 32pts

just rerate 2 star solos and its fine

But a lot of maps might have to be rerated then HMM

18:38

Maybe solo gets an offset of 2pts

solo 4 > 10 > 18 > 28 > 40

So its 4 6 10 18 34

6 is too little for 2*

18:39

thats actually worse cuz 2* and 3* get less

18:39

all should be more

yeah true

race could be 4 > 8 > 14 > 20 > 28 but apparently they want to keep race points low

no they just lazy

18:41

your trusted u could apply it

it kinda makes sense, a lot of race maps are rly boring tho

18:41

and thats admin decision i think. i support rerate tho

when i suggested it heinrich just asked for more voices of the Community

18:42

Yet i only heard positive feedback

just make race the same as solo

plsplsplstroll

konstroll

1

notroll

1

im pretty fine with low points on low star maps

18:42

but 5 star maps should have more

solo is underrated too tho @plsplsplslol (edited)

nouis

4

troll

5

sevenouis

4

pubouis

4

droguis

4

bigeyeouis

4

eggouis

4

dynouis

4

ragouis

4

noouis

4

splatouis

4

fagouis

4

nouingle

4

listenouis

4

alienouis

3

extremenouis

3

uis

2

penouis

2

zoozuis

2

siuol

2

dummy maps best

2

dummy maps overrated greenthing

greenthing

thistbh

2

ye thats why they are best

dummy is the worst category

5

also delete justcopyfly its impossible to do with lag

its good cuz gives a lot of points

louis

also delete justcopyfly its impossible to do with lag

then dont lag

troll

7

not

just deepfly also shouldn't be possible with high ping

stop ddosing me i'm trying to fast add emojis

many maps wouldn't be

rerate race

hello

rerate race

louis

solo 4 > 10 > 18 > 28 > 40

no u is, 40 pts crazy af

lmao no

noby

fng doesnt have accounts

I disagree. I can't play with the name noby because he is scared i ruin his shitty stats.

Cristian

no u is, 40 pts crazy af

theres like 6 5* mnaps and they all hard af, 40 points is good

rerating entire category without restarting with acc is dumb

true

@Learath2 better than x% means percentile but i guess most nobos dont even know this word

i thought % was dollar sign

Kicker

this is so stupid example all people who wanna make records public "all other games speedrun are public" other games speedruns have nothing complicated in these speedruns, in tw u put a lot of effort in thinking about way how u gonna do it, there are TONS of different ways to do the map compared to any other game

Lmao go check surfing mod of csgo xD

louis

theres like 6 5* mnaps and they all hard af, 40 points is good

i thinks there are so much points too in 3* and 4*, there are so much easy maps

All i see is pro players being against public records

Screeny pro

19:36

bluekitty

thanks for stating the obvious

saddo

u will never understand how deep cheats there existing in tw on maps since u are moderate player without even top10 ranks LmAo Xd @n000b

kid

hey those are my words

think_bot

Somebody wanna play some maps?

Use dummy like a real peo

19:44

Pro

19:44

Like coradax

saddo

saddo

hi

dummy best

im new

19:50

on the ddrace networks community

19:51

/teeworld

especially when you are lonely looser like me greenthing

greenthing

Deleted User

hi

hi

hi

wow

19:51

this is going to be

19:51

a good community

hi @Deleted User

@Deleted User since you are new i gotta teach you 3 important rules

19:52

1. noby is the biggest troll 2. gores/kog sucks 3. fng best

19:52

dont question it, just keep that in mind

19:52

troll

sounds good rules

19:52

lol

@Deleted User 4. 0.7 worst

no

trollet

3 is wrong

ur wrong

troller face cara

remove jao

trollet

trollet

jaouis

im going to open discord app

19:54

im on the discord website

@Souly get some help

not

doge

wtf my nitro ended

get some 0.6 client

i didn't even notice

0.7 sux fng sux

jao

get some 0.6 client

i do have

im play ddrace network on steam

Then use it

Boti.

0.7 sux fng sux

uninstall the game

uninstall some 0.7 client

not

Souly

uninstall the game

No u

dude did u see the 0.7 feet

still waiting for ChillerDragon to update zillycrack troll

troll

jao

dude did u see the 0.7 feet

thats why im using modded feet

19:56

greenthing

19:56

outstanding move

19:56

and now i have no real issues

guys

19:56

im have a question

what do you need?

What

ddnet/teeworld is inspired on csgo?

Souly

what do you need?

Can u help me how to exist?

Deleted User

ddnet/teeworld is inspired on csgo?

no, why?

Deleted User

ddnet/teeworld is inspired on csgo?

No

by the servers

19:58

and the shooter

19:58

version

tw is from 2007

No planting bombs

oh.

And no b

19:58

No voice chat

19:58

No russians

im a spanish lol

Im 'corneum

tw is from 2007

Wait what

voice chat in teeworlds justatest

justatest

wait

19:59

theres voice chat on teeworlds?

Imagine voice chat

imagine

No

that would be terrible

oh.

LULW

yeah

19:59

all are going to insult

19:59

and put

19:59

rare sounds

20:00

like sex sounds

imagone playing block with voice chat

20:00

justatest

justatest

justatest

what the fuck

I would like to talk with nobos on multeasy

imagine playing 0.7 with voice chat

20:00

everyone laughing about the feet

imagine playing

20:00

multy easy map

20:00

with voice chat

okay the joke is not funny anymore

@jao imagine having shitty skin system

Block with voice chat kek

kek

imagine voicechat runs on the same servers as the game itself... that would be fun

my pc

20:01

is going to crash

20:01

by the sounds

20:01

of a lot of people

20:01

speaking

Maybe fun lounge maps with voice chat

voicechat with position relative volume

But it cant work with too many players

i have a better idea than voice chat

louis

voicechat with position relative volume

its already in the code so, ez

imagine video chat

20:02

justatest

Wtf

imagine heartbeat monitor

lmao

Phone system

imagine teeworlds vr

my heart kinda goes up near the end of faily maps actually

hm

esp if its a rly long map

when heart beat sensor in tw

No tee avatar in vrchat :(

when i finished relief i thought i had some kind of stroke bcs my hands were tingeling like fuck.. would have liked to see my heart rate

teeworlds on calculator when

and i got kind of sick and dizzy

ur soul had a climax

city voice chat

20:05

roleplay

20:05

Pog

police tee: dont move. brown tees: spinbot

LULW

Imagine

Making records public will make everything shit because nobody would put effort in developing new tricks anymore

i dont think so

Im 'corneum

police tee: dont move. brown tees: spinbot

Brodas in da hood chillin

ᶰ°Konͧsti

Making records public will make everything shit because nobody would put effort in developing new tricks anymore

Kicker

u will never understand how deep cheats there existing in tw on maps since u are moderate player without even top10 ranks LmAo Xd @n000b

@Kicker lmao ofcourse i know this. I play this game 10y now. I also didn't say i agree to implement it. But i only proved your statement wrong. Since surf in csgo is the same.

ᶰ°Konͧsti

Making records public will make everything shit because nobody would put effort in developing new tricks anymore

i dont think that people would stop developing new tricks

people try shit for hours to get it working or finding the best ways and people that are good in the game but have no brain just steal them

20:07

Thats shit

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but still i think that making teehistorian public would be bad

i remember when i published a rank1 all of a sudden the top players would try to beat it and it would be much more competetive

20:08

and i like it more

if u wanna publish ur top ranks then do it

ye

But dont steal players their trophy

20:08

By publishing their runs

having top runs public is just a lazy way of beating it

no

20:09

u guys dont know how speedrunning works in other games wtf

Its hard work finding The best way to complete a map fast and u shouldnt be allowed to just Copy it

20:09

Other games are SHIT

so you know youre not good enough for rank1 if other peoplke know your strats?

ur

yes im not as close as good

well then top5 is inaccurate

Brain should give u an advantage

thats unique to tw

then u have no advantage kek

kek

plsplsplslol

u guys dont know how speedrunning works in other games wtf

i do know how it works

i should be able to keep my own skips is my train of thought also u can just rls them 1 month after the r1 was made

but not in all games

yes

20:11

idk why you say it makes it less competitive

im giving nitroll to the first one who believable claims to spread nouis emotes with it

dont compare gamemode with l community made maps to games like minecraft, mario

20:12

its not the same

@ᶰ°Konͧsti give

why

i spread nouis emotes

:O

ᶰ°Konͧsti

im giving nitroll to the first one who believable claims to spread nouis emotes with it

send

im in test server with many nouis emotes

mine ended

nouis

send me nitro

nouis

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nouis

20:13

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wasnt me

hmm

20:13

there is some nouis faker around

20:14

ive seen fake nouis on kog

20:14

he said that gores are fun

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feelsamazingman

kek

ragouis

when sixuis emote

maybe make records older then 3 month public ? (edited)

ragouis

20:15

just stalk all the servers to steal r1 strat

Ama

maybe make records older then 3 month public ? (edited)

so we can see how justice was cheated

20:15

good idea

i know da way on Justice 2

20:15

kek

the fixed one?

flag_spain

the one Which has 17mins now

:d

justice 2 has 500 skips apparently

you know the way but didnt do rank1 yourself?? curius. thats the opposite of what you said about knowing rank1 strats

faker konsti

i never tried playing both of them

20:17

im getting too lazy already when i see the map

whenever you want to form a opinion just ask konsti and do the opposite

also its not my cheat why would i use it to r1

20:18

uncool

ur troll

ur

cheater

how do you know any cheat is your cheat. maybe many people found it but were too lazy

its a different thing if u found it by searching or by just watching people play

20:19

lol

yes but if 2 people found a cheat by looking themselfes independent of each other. who owns the cheat

trashtalker

i own it

i own the name noby

because ur troll

cuz i am noby

20:21

ur trol

20:22

pubouis

ml

20:22

retard

i... is that a normal louis?

read emote name

@ᶰ°Konͧsti what server is that from

20:23

poois

wtf thats the og one

20:25

still sucks tho

nouis

Yeah its the original meme

20:27

And its from fng servor

@ᶰ°Konͧsti wheres pubouis from

From ravie servor

20:29

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can u rerate redefined 2

23:01

ive played it

23:01

not 1 star

yea +1

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