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@deen I have the feeling that the ddnet_properties is of limited usefulness because it doesn't have heuristics for "end of race" rooms where you get all weapons and all powerups

00:10

leading to wrong classifications

hm, right

true xd

hire pink rat as dev and hell write heureistics to always include weapons in the "end of race" room because there is a skip hehe

i think the most accurate classification would come from teehistorian files

heh, good idea

10:13

we could also use teehistorian to calculate how far in a map you are :D

It would but we'd first need tools to parse them

and even where particularly faily parts are

I really think we should have added "RACE_START" and "RACE_END" into the teehistorian format, it's sooo expensive to get this information

10:14

You need to load the map and find the start/end tiles and keep track of position

well Zwelf wrote a nice parser :)

10:21

and my map parsing tool could provide the start/finish positions, i think it could be reasonable fast

10:21

the naive approach probably wont catch all edge cases with the startline

10:22

but it would probably be sufficient to categorize maps

Not that easy, it would catch most things but to be certain you need to reimplement most of the collision check

10:22

I bet there is atleast one map that flings you thru the startline at unbelievable velocity

so smart @Patiga

We should give it a run before the archive grows too large

10:37

1T is already hard to handle even with just simple filtering

i guess we could reduce it a little if we say we only take teehistorian files of maps where we have less than 100 finishes or smth

@Learath2 cant we just add it back and manually "insert" it to old teehistorian files or just dont?

We could but modifying our source of truth sounds like a bad idea

data analysis on teehistorian files sounds fun

running the anti bot checks on teehistorian data would be cool

u

thx

think_bot

nobythinking

I have a tool that already finds many botters in teehistorian files. zstdcat thfile | teehistorian_audit -p - | egrep “(Syltoox|J$ON|cc)”

lol

2

sylbot

1

xd

11:58

lmao

11:59

also grep -E

11:59

egrep is deprecated

Not like it will ever be removed, too many scripts depend on it existing and most computer people are too averse to breaking anything

SC2196: egrep is non-standard and deprecated. Use grep -E instead.

That’s why we have compilers made in 2020 that still supports C89

Learath2

I have a tool that already finds many botters in teehistorian files. zstdcat thfile | teehistorian_audit -p - | egrep “(Syltoox|J$ON|cc)”

LOL

any hacks to debug a ci that is most likley stuck on stdin or something but its unreproducible local

12:31

i tried export EDITOR=touch yes | cmd

It would be cool to see the % of my ranks. Like when you're top5 it says you're within 1% of all ranks. Same with points but only names with 1000+points get "ranked"

just do quiqq maffs

12:41

top5 -1 or mapinfo shows total

Where do I find the order of tees for strong/weak hook?

ok i solved it using bash -x for verbose output and realized it hang on head -1 :)

(in client)

grep for StrongWeakID, I think

btw do u guys actually use grep to search src code?

I use rg

yea well i guess its the same

12:57

i just feel like ctrl+shift+f in a ide is so much faster

I use git grep all the time, yes

to search history

no ide, no vim plugins, so yeah

u code in vanilla vim mainly?

time rg StrongWeakID src

12:57

takes 50ms

oh no not that time

probably because your disk is slow, 50 ms sounds like a lot

the time to type rq and go to source code etc

12:58

rg xd not rq

I'm on the terminal anyway, also my typing is not that slow

git grep takes 35 ms on my system

yea ok u madlads are all vim mains

12:58

do u use vanilla vim at work too deen?

yes

are u the only one? xd

no

lul

12:59

didnt expect SAP to be so nerdy

we have emacs users too, so not all vim

i worked a bit in salesforce enviroments and ppl used web UI to code xd

Something like Visual Studio Code you mean? That's also popular here

no

13:02

well we were more on the user side so it was like using the salesforce provided web frontend (actual browser needed) to code and compile in their cloud

13:02

saving a file can take up to 1 minute

13:03

but its probably the difference of being a user vs producer of these systems

https://insights.stackoverflow.com/survey/2019

Stack Overflow Developer Survey 2019

Nearly 90,000 took this comprehensive, annual survey of people who code. Demographics. Most loved, dreaded and wanted technologies. Salary and careers.

13:05

with 25% of developers using vim, you're bound to stumble upon some of them at your job, no?

13:05

hm. probably depends on the job

Well, we're as far away from the user side as you can be, so pure C++ for us, no real frontend

yea

13:06

i probably go full vim soon if i cant fix my system

13:07

vim, teeworlds, ssh and tmux are the last 4 programs i use e that dont crash regularly

13:07

i cant even open a shell without pressing ctrl+c to stop it hanging on launch xd

you might want to reinstall your packages or even the OS

13:09

it sounds like you broke something

yes i totally broke something

Vscode being electron based works perfectly on browsers btw. I can see this kind of “cloud” programming becoming veeery popular soon

yea soon laptops ship without drives :/

13:10

heinrich u know some nice fix my arch cmd?

13:10

i would love to not reinstall all as long as i can boot

13:10

but reinstalling all packages does that help?

idk what you usually do

wdym

13:11

to fix or to break?

to break

oh me neither im innocent

do you randomly symlink libraries, for example?

no

13:11

wait how do i know if i do that xd

like some online guide tells you to do ln -s /usr/lib/libcurl.so.3 /usr/lib/libcurl.so.4 and it works, so you do it

ah no

good

i just install some aur crap

Your shell hangs when you launch it until you hit ^C then it works?

yes

13:12

sometimes

13:12

then i have to reboot

Maybe a broken .bashrc?

I guess it would be good to list all files not belonging to packages in /etc /usr

then it hgangs on reboot until i unplug cable xd

removing unnecessary aur packages

13:12

and reinstalling all packages

i did not put something there i think

13:13

other than like some scrpts

Maybe all the cores are stuck? The default kernel is really not good at scheduling for desktop machines

``pacman -Qqn | pacman -S -

13:13

`

13:13

omg i messed up the quotes

13:13

that boi?

Is there some task you run before this happens that could be hogging the cpu?

doubt

13:14

its just that clang rebot pacman firefox vscode etc regularly crash freeze etc so it feels more general

can you see where they crash?

13:15

which library?

interesting idea

Enable coredumps if they actually crash you can check those

couldnt see any information on firefox

Maybe dmesg could have an insight

nah dmesg looks chill

13:16

tthats the only thing ik

13:16

and journalctl

13:16

Embedded image

13:16

xd

13:17

oh wait nvm

13:17

nobody saw this

arg

Lol

don't do that

pst

is that a command where you read all the options?

found it online

13:17

xd

Lol

https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Pacman/Tips_and_tricks#Reinstalling_all_packages

Tips and tricks

hm, okay, looks okayish, but I'd read all the options (like I just did) before executing random commands, especially ones that claim to reinstall everything

heinrich5991

takes 50ms

0.039s

13:18

39 ms?

yes

Image attachment

13:19

well the output is rly different

13:19

rg colors and stuff

13:19

i guess u can disable things

these simple colors shouldn't take performance

13:20

line counting will take some

13:20

not sure how negligible

is git grep a symlink to something?

no, implemented in git

git bloat xd

13:20

man git-grep

13:21

when arguments have man pages xd

Line counting should be pretty negligible

vanilla vim on a codebase with millions of code

13:21

well i guess its the only way

13:21

any tool would slow things

Grep already goes thru the lines, keeping a count of \n s should be raather cheap

rg doesn't go through lines

13:22

it only does that once a match is found, otherwise it'd need to look at every byte

13:23

https://blog.burntsushi.net/ripgrep/#mechanics

ripgrep is faster than {grep, ag, git grep, ucg, pt, sift} - Andrew...

I blog mostly about my own programming projects.

Eh? Can you search for a substring without scanning all the bytes?

yes

13:23

boyer-moore is the name

Image attachment

if your pattern doesn't contain an x, but you read an x, you can skip the whole pattern length

13:24

(is the rough idea)

git grep is faster for me

13:24

rip

maybe git grep searches in the git datafiles?

oh maybe

That is one ugly algorithm, jeez

so git grep only searches current files right?

13:26

not the history?

git log -Sfoo is nice

ye

13:26

i use that all the time

Image attachment

13:26

grep is slower

everytime i miss a thing in tw code cuz someone renamed refactored or removed it git -log -S'foo' saves the day

[quakenet] ChillerDragon

so git grep only searches current files right?

git grep may do some stuff with the git info

without - yee

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3476 Indicate strength of hook in nameplates

off by default, cl_nameplates_strong 1 to enable also shown in debug mode (ctrl-shift-d) !screenshot-20210105@142505

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[x] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[x] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[x] Considered p...

what do the numbers mean

13:28

hook and hooked?

13:29

@deen instead of a number it would maybe be better to show some small icon near the tee indicating u have strong over it

But numbers are sexy

This is one user unfriendly solution, but we might aswell just add it to have something

numbers are fine for debug mode

13:30

but the cl_ option i think will just confuse ppl

13:30

xd

Nah numbers are nice, gives us a chance to nerd out about weak/strong if someone asks :D

a icon would do the same

13:31

if enabled only when u have strong over someone

13:31

u will also know who has strong over u

13:31

due to how it works

13:31

and its much simpler

I would like a stroke command that highlights the tees you have strong over when held

well if u mean others vs others maybe yea numbers

13:32

yeah

13:32

that seems a fine option

13:32

or just underline the nameplate

13:32

idk if we have that capability

13:32

on our text renderer

13:32

lmao

13:32

xd

And we can always have numbers for people who want to know more

I rly like how dj is visualized in the feet

cool

inst there some space left on the tee?

Maybe the hook could change shape depending on whether it is strong or weak?

13:33

oh

13:33

this is a cool way

13:33

requires u to hook tho

yes

13:33

then its too late or uknow already

if you want to voice your opinion on the issue in a way that is not forgotten tomorrow, I encourage you to go the github PR or issue

Just randomly hooking people until you find someone you have strong over sounds meh

13:34

I already said both of these in the github issue

its not that we have any quality option yet

Yeah we can add this unconditionally for debug

@Ryozuki git grep is faster because it uses multiple worker threads

rg uses threads too

13:39

hm

@Ryozuki but when I'm in a team of 10 tees and I want to know if tee X has strong on tee Y, and I can't just ask people to hook each other because they might be busy in a part

i never was in this situation tbh

same

13:39

its usually just u and ur partner

13:39

on t0 ppl will just do the part

13:39

regardless

13:40

time rg -j12 StrongWeakID src/

13:41

oh

13:41

this gives me 11ms

13:41

i think rg doesnt use threads by default cause it shows results in a arbitrary order

I think it does use threads by default

Does anybody have experience with embedded rust?

not really, I'm still interested in your question

https://rust-embedded.github.io/book/

Introduction - The Embedded Rust Book

13:42

fast google

Maybe you've seen https://timakro.de/blog/quadcopter-programming-part-2/

Quadcopter Programming Part 2: Using the CMSIS Library and First Ta...

In the last post of the series I explained how to get started programming an STM32 microcontroller without any library dependencies. Today we will improve the LED blinking example from last post with the CMSIS library, making it more readable and adding precise timings. Finally we will drive the rotors of the quadcopter for a somewhat assisted t...

13:43

I'm curious to try out rust on this chip, there is support and a lot of great resources but I'm worried about binary size

i think u use #![no_std]

I have 64kb flash

13:43

And I've seen people complain about the small flash who just used C (edited)

the link i sent has info

@timakro I see. from my uninformed opinion, I'd say that it's harder to optimize for binary size in rust than in C

13:44

but note that it's uninformed ^^

I've seen some articles where people compared the C size vs what they could achieve with Rust with all the optimization options you have but they usually ended up with 3 times the size

13:45

And I don't want to invest into this now and later end up in a situation where I just can't get my code to run ^^

13:46

Btw I still have absolutely no idea how big 64kb is, I'm just worrying

https://blog.japaric.io/

Embedded in Rust

A blog about Rust and embedded stuff

13:46

maybe this blog is nice

64k is quite a lot, though I don’t know how wasteful rust is in that sense so maybe there isn’t much left after the overhead

heinrich5991

@timakro I see. from my uninformed opinion, I'd say that it's harder to optimize for binary size in rust than in C

It feels like in C you have to do nothing and just get a small binary for free. For Rust there are a ton of things you can tweak, a lot documented here https://github.com/johnthagen/min-sized-rust But my real issue is that I don't have a feeling for how much 64kb is and how likely it is I run out of space (edited)

dynamically linked libc on my system is 2.1MB, so either it needs to ship a smaller std library or you need to code without most of libc

13:52

if you need to use freestanding C, non-std rust is comparable. you lose many of rust's niceties though, like its collections e.g.

There are verymicro libcs maybe rust has something similar?

hm, I don't know, but I don't think there's anything besides using just libcore (or also liballoc) instead of all of std

13:55

maybe you want to do that anyway, because the microcontroller probably doesn't give you a filesystem? see? I'm not experienced. sorry ^^

@timakro you probably have an idea of what you need, maybe just produce a small test binary to see how much overhead you have

13:56

@timakro you probably have an idea of what you need, maybe just produce a small test binary to see how much overhead you have

Him I haven't really used anything from libc so far

especially check around panics and string formatting

I guess str utilities could be useful in my C code

I think that adds a lot

13:57

e.g. use panic=abort if you don't need panics (reduces size), not sure what to do about the string formatting machinery

So usually in non embedded libc is linked dynamically?

13:59

I have no idea how it works, never looked into this

yes

In embedded there obviously is no dynamic linking

14:00

So I suppose if i included something from the stdlib it could either be statically linked or recompiled

14:00

By stdlib I mean libc

With lto and static linking you should(tm) be only getting what you used from libc

Right

"only getting what the compiler can't prove you don't use"

14:01

but I think it's rather accurate, normally

14:01

linker*

With llvm and libc I don’t think you have much to worry about. Llvm has been getting so good at internalizing functions

There are some benchmarks online

@timakro I say give it a go, even if you have to ditch the idea of using anything from rusts std you can always just link to musl and use c functions for things you need. It’d be a nice experience

It does indeed seem like 3x the size

14:04

Even after trimming default libraries (edited)

Unless you don’t want to/have the time to mess around with it. Then C and C++ are just much better choices for this stuff. Tried and true

Actually I'm not sure if this 3x number I came up with makes sense. I haven't really thought about std libs. Maybe it's more like an additive overhead

Apparently there is cargo bloat to check what takes space

https://github.com/google/bloaty bloaty mcbloatface, some day™ I'm gonna use it on ddnet

Bloaty McBloatface: a size profiler for binaries. Contribute to google/bloaty development by creating an account on GitHub.

Don’t

14:14

Apparently panic and formatting machinery really take quite a lot of space in rust binaries and the former apparently uses the latter making it rather hard to optimize without losing a lot of debugging

I have no idea how debugging would work

Interesting, I thought it would mostly be the stdlib bloat

Until now I have been using gdb "remotely" using openocd

14:16

I don't even know what the technology is called

14:16

On-chip debugging I guess

14:16

Do you use gdb with rust?

Well I never gave rust much of a chance after it’s syntax and stubborn compiler left a bad taste in my mouth. But the few times I did have to use a debugger on libtw2 it was honestly a very lackluster experience. Though not too much worse than other modern languages

14:18

Sadly the further you stray from C the worse the debugging experience, even modern C++ is almost awful to look at in gdb

I have not used a debugger with rust very much; but I also experienced fewer stuff I'd usually go to a debugger for

14:19

I mostly use a debugger with C when it segfaults or I want to debug an algorithm and the formatting in C is not so good, I can't just print out all intermediate state (edited)

14:20

I guess the latter use case could be helped if I knew gdb better

Most likely they overwrite putchar to get panic msgs and debugs off the chip. I've seen this trick used with C and printf

Intermediate state of what? Hooks help a lot if you are debugging and want to do sth every step

@Learath2 'stubborn' compared to C? Well, Rust for sure has nice debug messages and it does rigourous checks

ye, I don't know that stuff too well yet, so I don't even know off the top of my head how to print something every time a breakpoint is hit

Only complaint I hear around is the compile time

if you know that right now, tell me so maybe I'll have it internalized next time

14:21

^^

@timakro apparently you can’t really get the panic msgs at all as crafting them involves the fmt stuff. So you either get all or none. Or atleast this rather comprehensive blog post couldn’t find how to ;P

Hmm might be

14:22

I thought maybe you could get them if you can afford keeping the string format stuff in your binary size

@heinrich5991 you just define a command called hook-stop

no, without stopping, I mean

14:23

but that's also useful

14:23

like a watchpoint maybe?

e.g.

define hook-stop
print i
end

14:24

print i; continue would work if you want to print a variable each time a watchpoint is hit

14:25

Or just continue as hitting the watchpoint should already print it now that I think about it

14:29

lldb is a little better in some of these things btw, if you want to give that a try sometime

Pathos

@Learath2 'stubborn' compared to C? Well, Rust for sure has nice debug messages and it does rigourous checks

The checks are too strict for my liking, programming in rust feels more like looking for ways to appease the compiler than actually programming

14:33

Which is great for safety. Awful for people with already low motivation, I’d rather spend my time coding than digging in documentation looking for how to get a reference to s mutable slice of a vec

Reminds me of Haskell: If it compiles, it's probably correct, no need to test.

Learath2

Which is great for safety. Awful for people with already low motivation, I’d rather spend my time coding than digging in documentation looking for how to get a reference to s mutable slice of a vec

u have to read docs for anything u dont know

14:34

u basically stated that dont know rust and need to check the docs

14:34

simple as that

That combined with the syntax being unreadable for me, means I spend more time reading docs than doing anything

how is the syntax unbearable

It’s an opinion you goof

for me it looks like c syntax with uneeded stuff removed

14:36

like () in ifs

c is hard to read

14:37

xd

well ur opinion is just "its unbearable" but u dont even provide examples

troll

1

14:37

u leave no room for others to say anything

That’s also an opinion and as such there is no point arguing with it

Ryozuki

u leave no room for others to say anything

I’m not looking for an argument?

ok i see

14:38

u want to talk alone in a public chat

ruby is the only readable language :troll:

14:38

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E.g. the return type being at the end makes it harder for me to immediately understand signatures

u can use return implicitly at any place too

Ryozuki

u want to talk alone in a public chat

I gave my opinion, you gave yours. Not everything has to be a discussion

i mean

i rage quitted hello world in rust 3 times xd

whats wrong about a discussion so long we dont insult

discussions are exhausting

but if u dont want to discuss now

14:40

lets end it here

Ryo won learath gave up

Rust gang is too strong for me to argue against, I can’t do a 5v1

gg

14:40

im on ur side Learath

14:40

if u join shell gang

And as with any other discussion we have here you’ll just call me a bigot at the end and stop replying so I look like an obsessed nutjob

lol

14:42

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14:42

never heard this term xd had to look it up

idk

14:42

i just find interesting

14:42

that learath is rly nitpicky

14:42

about lot of things

14:42

and im curious

14:42

so i ask

14:42

xd

ur a bully

pepe_straight

offensive slang A derogatory term for someone who is insane or psychotic.

I can tell you what bothers me, but you obviously won’t agree with them. You say you are curious but when I tell you my opinion you say I just want to talk alone

again what learnt

14:43

@Learath2 i rly admire u for using cool words

well u just took that out ofcontext

I don’t see how it needs more context

well ur opinion is just "its unbearable" but u dont even provide examples u leave no room for others to say anything

14:44

this is the context

LO

14:45

Image attachment

?xd

14:46

reads like english so nice

lot of random ppl

The point of an opinion isn’t always to let someone change your mind. I just wasn’t interested in getting conversion therapy or being scolded for wrongthink there.

POGGIES

boi learath chill u give me dark vibes

1984 vibes

be happy :)

wrongthink

14:46

doublethink

14:46

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Doublethink

Doublethink is a process of indoctrination whereby the subject is expected to accept a clearly false statement as the truth, or to simultaneously accept two mutually contradictory beliefs as correct, often in contravention to one's own memories or sense of reality. Doublethink is related to, but differs from, hypocrisy. George Orwell invented th...

14:46

monkalaugh

You can also give your opinion and if you don’t want it discussed I won’t

meta discussion xd

im gay and I dont want to discuss it

ok

im vegan

we wont dicuss it then

Great, don’t discuss it in #off-topic

systemd is good and i dont want to discuss it

toxic

troll

i use emacs

i use neovim on bleeding edge commit

i use windows

also i think all code should use spaces as tabs

get roasted

tabs

14:48

spaces as tabs

14:48

weird way to put it

xd

14:48

for indentation then

chiller do u use vim?

14:48

do u use plugins

ye

How do I get a reasonable sized open source project to merge something only I need?

ChillerDragon which ones

https://github.com/ChillerDragon/dotfiles/blob/master/vimrc

ChillerDragon/dotfiles

A repo holding all my personal configurations I use. - ChillerDragon/dotfiles

or do u have a vimr

14:49

ah good

@timakro disguise it as something general

ChillerDragon here is mine https://gist.github.com/edg-l/624737e31d6e85b2385689298fcccebe

neovim config. GitHub Gist: instantly share code, notes, and snippets.

I think the lifetime stuff is what makes rust very hard to read for me. It feels like information that doesn’t belong in the signature

How do I disable those annoying discord "embeds"

ChillerDragon did u achieve that thing i used days ago

so many plugins

you asked*

yea somewhat

about showing something in the bar

timakro

How do I get a reasonable sized open source project to merge something only I need?

Very hard, 8 months and I still couldn’t get sdl to merge the bug that breaks both ddnet and teeworlds on macos

i ditched the bar and made it a hotkey

14:50

having it recompute in the bar hang vim

14:50

so yeee

Learath2 sdl is not a reasonably sized

14:50

imho its a p big project

Ryozuki: i did this https://github.com/ChillerDragon/dotfiles/blob/master/vimrc#L71-L81

ChillerDragon/dotfiles

A repo holding all my personal configurations I use. - ChillerDragon/dotfiles

if u mean ur average github project with 1k forks

14:51

maybe 1 month

I got a massive patch into a project with just 36 forks

why are you guys talking using the bot (edited)

we on irc

simple minded hoomans

its for the c00l kids only

o k (edited)

we robots

They are stuck in the bot, we’ve been trying to get them out for 4 years now

D:

cool

14:52

can I get in

yes

help step bro im stuck in a bot

Yeah I imagine SDL is much harder than https://github.com/AntennaPod/AntennaPod/issues/4834

Add option to rewind with the forward button · Issue #4834 · Antenn...

Checklist I have used the search function to see if someone else has already submitted the same feature request. I will only create one feature request per issue. I will describe the problem with a...

quakenet

14:52

irc

we should all vote for learaths pr

14:53

but their git frontend doesnt have votes right?

We can spam +1 emails

timakro do u listen to any tech related podcast?

14:53

i dont know any

Image attachment

nope I don't

u gotta join

14:53

. /join #ddnet

thank you linux user

i use arch btw

oh shit

@Ryozuki same thing

14:54

right

welcome to the dark side

I listen to video game podcasts mostly and https://strongsongspodcast.com

hello

@timakro xd https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1609858278.png

Embedded image

Nice!

Idk what we’ll do about sdl tbh

i rly need that feature! omg

my fav podcast https://darknetdiaries.com/

Darknet Diaries – True stories from the dark side of the Internet.

A podcast featuring true stories from the dark side of the Internet.

Oh I wanted to check how tf it works for ChillerDragon

ye

14:55

haxxerdragon

14:55

im here

14:55

tmux it in

14:55

how do ppl do that

ill thumps up it too

14:55

i dont use tmux

timakro fan gang

i let i3 handle my terms

tmux best collab tool

ChillerDragon do what?

Anyone else using antennapod? xD

I wish I was good with tmux, I'd be like 50 times more productive

have a tmux party together to look at macos

14:56

tmux so gooood

@timakro maybe you can patch antennapod for yourself?

i will learn tmux if i ever do some remote work on some server

14:56

until then im fine

for remote work tmux nesting :3

ChillerDragon: have a moment to try un-debug?

@Learath2 I would not be able to live with the knowledge that I don't get updates

yes Learath2

@timakro set up email notifications for updates?

ChillerDragon did u update ur arch today

@Learath2 Uglyy!

ChillerDragon: ok can you do a otool -L on teeworlds, find the SDL it links to and gimme

14:57

So I can figure out the offsets we need

anyone else plays screeps.com ?

14:58

just started yesterday

14:58

"MMO sandbox game for programmers"

Is this another one of those hackmud like obsessions of yours?

xd

14:58

hackmud is different

Sure

sadly in 2.0 they ruined it

14:59

i had a client farm

14:59

outside the game

14:59

but 2.0 killed out of game scripting

I don't even know what that means

@Learath2: https://github.com/TeeworldsDB/irclogs/blob/8e488b53834f792ddc95105895e5eb78f34f148d/teeworlds/2020-12-20.log#L213-L216

TeeworldsDB/irclogs

Mirror of https://ddnet.tw/irclogs/. Contribute to TeeworldsDB/irclogs development by creating an account on GitHub.

xd

14:59

basically u automate the game outside the game

14:59

by giving it inputs

14:59

and reading the logs

14:59

but 2.0 made it way harder

14:59

sadly

14:59

good game btw

15:00

https://www.hackmud.com/

15:00

its dead now tho

So it’s just the bundled sdl in teeworlds

screeps uses js, but it also supports wasm

15:01

which means i can use rusty

15:01

rust*

15:01

https://crates.io/crates/cargo-screeps

Have you seen tabfs on hackernews?

15:01

https://omar.website/tabfs/

lul nice

15:03

tho never had the need for it xd

15:03

also i use lynx and not firefox :troll:

i dont have that many tabs open

15:04

i rly get like ocd and gotta clean my firefox

ye

I once wanted to simply get the urls in my tabs as a textfile and couldn't find an addon with that functionality which didn't look shady

a good new vid from 3blue1brown https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lG4VkPoG3ko

The medical test paradox: Can redesigning Bayes rule help?

[quakenet] Ryozuki

"MMO sandbox game for programmers"

lol i found this on steam before

@louis found something cool for u https://handel-pl.github.io/

[quakenet] ChillerDragon

c is hard to read

c best

sorry with the 50 things I need to do to get this thing to even compile I'm so slow

15:17

Oh and I can't get teeworlds to link to the bundled framework lol

15:17

ddnet I can't get to link to my own sdl and teeworlds I can't get to link to the bundled libs

did you copy some fishy lib symlinks from the interwebs? :troll:

wait teeworlds doesn't have any bundled sdl at all

15:19

ChillerDragon where is your cmake even finding this sdl to link to?

not even on steam?

brew doesn't provide a framework, it only provides a dylib

ok ryozozki

15:19

start

    chunk kickch 
        play A1 for 1b
        rest for 1b
        rest for 1b
        rest for 1b
        rest for 1b
        play A1 for 1b
        rest for 1b
        rest for 1b
    endchunk
    
    chunk hihatch
        play A2 for 1b
    endchunk
    
    chunk snarech
        rest for 1b
        play A1 for 1b
    endchunk
    
    chunk pianoch
        play G4, A3 for 1b
        play E4 for 1b
        play G4 for 1b
        play A4 for 1b
        play E4, F3 for 2b
        play D4 for 1b
        play C4 for 1b
        play D4, G3 for 1b
        play C4 for 1b
        play D4 for 1b
        play G4 for 1b
        play E4, C3 for 2b
        play E4, B2 for 2b
    endchunk
    
    run pianoch with bpm 160, sound piano, loop for 2
    run kickch with bpm 320, sound kick, loop for 16
    run snarech with bpm 160, sound snare, loop for 16
    run hihatch with bpm 320, sound hihat, loop for 64
    
finish

@heinrich5991 idk where they get it for steam

rip irc

my-handel-program_1.txt

920 bytes

15:21

actually this one works better

virus

macOS build experience is really awful

@louis nice

ChillerDragon still here?

16:04

great I took too long and lost my debugging subject because cmake wouldn't link to the sdk I want, nor would it link to the bundled sdl

16:06

ChillerDragon: When you are back around, find me what SDL you are linking to, you can check CMakeCache for that

how exactly do i check cache?

16:23

grep SDL build/ ?

you can just grep for SDL2_INCLUDEDIR

https://paste.zillyhuhn.com/3A

Ok, can you put /Library/Frameworks/SDL2.framework somewhere for me?

https://zillyhuhn.com/tmp/SDL2.framework/

lol didn't even zip it madlad

xd

17:38

zip costs extra

17:38

wanna zip?

17:38

now u can browse idividual files :) my mac hangs so no zip i guess

17:38

Learath2: https://zillyhuhn.com/tmp/SDL2.framework.zip

ChillerDragon: Ok, now I have the offsets we need

17:47

start teeworlds in lldb

17:48

do an image list to find where SDL2 is loaded

17:48

set a breakpoint at the image base + 0x0002e40c

17:52

Well actually you need to set a bp at main and then do image list as dyld doesn't load the libs as soon as the target is created

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #3477 Crash with too many grenades

On map Buckle Up you can shoot lots of grenades, with 20 players doing that at once server crashes: ``


Core was generated by

./DDRace64-Server_sql -f servers/8343.cfg'. Program terminated with signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. #0 0x0000560b14929516 in CPlayer::Snap (this=0x560b14a3b950 , SnappingClient=SnappingClient@entry=21) at /home/teeworlds/src/master/src/game/server/player.cpp:407 407 /home/teeworlds/src/master/src/game/server/player.cpp: No such file or directory. [Cur...

ChillerDragon u there

18:06

ChillerDragon https://zillyhuhn.com/Lasergurkenland/

18:06

u should say which mc version is used

18:07

rip nobody is playing there

18:08

no wonder, u spawn at the bottom nearl lava an rock and u dont have a pickaxe

18:08

rip anarchy

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3478 Fix server crash with too many items (fixes #3477)

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addresssanitizer--u...

yea good idea

18:12

pr

18:13

Ryozuki: https://github.com/zillyhuhn/Lasergurkenland

ZillyHuhn/Lasergurkenland

Official website of the anarchy minecraft server Lasergurkenland zillyhuhn.com/Lasergurkenland - ZillyHuhn/Lasergurkenland

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #3479 Client Crash in client with too many grenades

``` SUMMARY: UndefinedBehaviorSanitizer: undefined-behavior src/game/client/prediction/gameworld.cpp:152:19 in src/engine/shared/snapshot.cpp:139:21: runtime error: signed integer overflow: 1644298880 - -1367310208 cannot be represented in type 'int' #0 0x5645c1ad6b74 in CSnapshotDelta::DiffItem(int, int, int, int) /media/ddnet/src/engine/shared/snapshot.cpp:139:21 #1 0x5645c1ad94be in CSnapshotDelta::CreateDelta(CSnapshot, CSnapshot, void) /media/ddnet/src/engine/shared/sn...

ChillerDragon u should provide a way to escape spawn in ur server

idk it changes i probably wont update version

otherwise it will stay with 0 players forever

should i write latest?

18:13

escaping spawn is easy nub Ryozuki

lol

18:13

no

18:13

try joining

18:14

its all lava

18:14

and rock

so?

u dont have any way to get out

dont jump in lava

nobo

18:14

who will spend 5 hours mining rock with hand

or use flyhack

this is why there is spawn protection

18:14

even in vanilla

18:14

u disabled it on purpose

i think ur supposed to use hax on anarchy

oh wait ur right i spawned in lava

Anarchy has no application anywhere

thats odd

see

also there is 7 players not 0

18:15

i wonder why i even died last time i played i was alive

maybe cuz i posted it in this discord

18:15

and lurkers joined

18:15

thank me

18:16

for the #ad

there is some buggo

18:16

i have like 1k spawn radius

18:16

u should not spawn in lava makes no sense to me

Image attachment

what version is it

i should setup a img server on my vps

oh

2 lazy tho

wrong server Ryozuki

18:17

how did that turn on lol

18:17

real is lgl.zillyhuhn.com

ah

18:17

i joined by ip

18:17

fix ur web nobo

maybe im bad trapped idk

18:17

but i keep spawning in lava f

bro ur server lags

18:18

like lot

18:19

https://i.imgur.com/uNVDJms.png

Embedded image

18:19

ChillerDragon someone gave me this

18:19

monke

oh FUK

18:22

i pressed accedentaly ctrl+alt+f3

18:22

i lost my graphical session xd

18:22

how do i get it back?

18:23

when i d ctrl+shift+f1 or f2 i can login to gnome but then i get blank screen

18:23

aaaaah i have no browser just terminal xd

elinks

fk u :/

18:24

did nobody did that already accedentaly?

try ctrl-alt-f7 maybe

18:24

but elinks was a honest suggestion

18:24

I used that on the terminal when installing arch linux

nah does nothing

then reboot I guess

oof my font is soooo big :/ every word is a line break

18:25

rip my session

18:25

guess i timeouted in tw already anyways

18:25

aaaa xd

18:25

what a fail

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3480 Fix client crash with too many items (fixes #3479)

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addresssanitizer--u...

yes f7 is to go back but i was everywhere already so yikes

18:28

oh so nice tmux a -t 0`` and i can cleanup all my terminal stuff before i reboot

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #3478 Fix server crash with too many items (fixes #3477)

18:29

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

5c4fc94 Fix server crash with too many items (fixes #3477) - def- f68e785 Merge #3478 - bors[bot]

18:29

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #3477 Server crash with too many grenades

im back :) ye Ryozuki its vanilla minecraft what do u expect ofc it lags

18:31

java has 20gb assigned and runs on a Intel i7-6700HQ (8) @ 3.500GHz

18:33

Ryozuki: send help im bad trapped in this lava filled obsidian thingy :/ https://zillyhuhn.com/cs/.1609871379.png

Embedded image

wurst nobo

wurst is fine

do u allow all clients

no i dont

18:34

i dont do shit there

18:34

its unmoderated :p so nobody forbids them either

smh

guess i wont be able to play there anymore anyways :/

18:36

did anyone ever try torsocks DDNet it fails to bind like a lot and freezes and its overall a nasty expirience

18:36

i want to use tor to bypass my ddnet bans pls help

tor is tcp only

oh

teeworlds/ddnet use udp

ah

18:37

ye

18:37

hm

exit nodes would probably be detected as vpn too

too bad

evading bans is not okay btw

oof

chillerbot.exe

wait isnt dns udp?

18:39

so tor does not support dns?

18:39

well i guess there is probably some dns over tcp thingy then

in a sense, tor has some specific extensions for udp

ChillerDragon did u know tor is funded by the nsa?

18:39

xd

yes

18:39

:D

if you tell tor to connect to a domain name, your exit node will resolve that domain name

go Ryozuki build a udp alternative licensed under GPL

18:40

ah i see

AGPL-3*

ok stallman

but you can also just use dns over TCP, TLS, or HTTPS

ChillerDragon if its on a server, use AGPL

yea thought so

u can tor -> vpn -> internet

18:40

i think that works

18:40

for udp

or i can vpn -> internet

https://www.whonix.org/wiki/Transporting_UDP_Tunnels_over_Tor

Transporting UDP Tunnels over Tor

Transporting UDP Tunnels over Tor

xd

18:41

my ping has to be still good enough so i can be effective at blocking on ddnet servers

since this is discussing ban evasion, please stop

no one is discussing ban evasion

otherwise I'll have to kick/ban/mute you

u just assumed it

i actually said it

18:41

:D

did u?

ye

no, see above, ChillerDragon explicitly said it

i didnt read that lol

18:42

ChillerDragon lets talk about it in #hentai

xd

our precious channel

thats the true reason chillerdragon doesnt use discord anymore

18:43

got banned

i am banned on discord thats not a secret xd

xd

rlly

18:45

lol

yea for not leaking my phone number to them

thonkery

they said something about ur account is locked until you add phone number

ah

18:47

probs cuz u used a custom client

doubt

18:47

i didnt use discord when it happend for like weeks already

18:47

but yea maybe

18:48

maye they slow and parsed their discordhistorian files after the fact and banned some ppl that uses custom clients

18:48

onbgy style

lol

18:48

ban custom clients F3

fng tos is almost as bad as discord lul

18:49

even discord allowed zooz

18:50

onbgy i cant even join with chillerbot-ux client :/

ban bot

no :/ its legit

Image attachment

Image attachment

18:50

wtf

and yeah discord doesnt allow custom clients its stupid

chillerbot-ux version 1 is ddnet version 99001

ChillerDragon: stop discussing bot clients please

xddd

https://github.com/chillerbot/chillerbot-ux/blob/chillerbot/src/game/version.h#L11

chillerbot/chillerbot-ux

chillerbot-ux UserExperience based on DDraceNetwork, a mod of Teeworlds - chillerbot/chillerbot-ux

or don't name your client after bot clients if that's the thing

oof

people still use betterdiscord though monkalaugh

monkalaugh

ChillerDragon 85 commits behind, nobo

what does ur client do

ah, it's an actual client, sorry

noit literally says the features

readme

in readme

18:52

noby*

Ryozuki: so smart

big brain

18:53

ChillerDragon what encryption does ur tw pw manager uses

none :troll:

plain text inc

18:53

i knew

i tried

18:53

but yikers

is it suposed to login to f2

yes

ChillerDragon use this https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argon2

Argon2 is a key derivation function that was selected as the winner of the Password Hashing Competition in July 2015. It was designed by Alex Biryukov, Daniel Dinu, and Dmitry Khovratovich from the University of Luxembourg. The reference implementation of Argon2 is released under a Creative Commons CC0 license (i.e. public domain) or the Apache ...

18:53

Argon2id best

cool

but not rcon exclusive

18:54

i mainly use it for F-DDrace account which is a chat based /login command

7login noby nobo

18:54

ups

no u

autologin based on ip and port is so convinient for like all these lvl servers and u cant accedentally leak on other servers like with a bind

u should pr that feature to ddnet

deen said he doesnt want it

18:55

pepeSad

why

ChillerDragon that doesnt support 2 ppl in same network

no server ip port

ah

18:55

u mean client side

18:55

ye

where is ur brain

here

18:55

i picked it up now

xd

xd

did he say why he didnt want

onbgy https://github.com/TeeworldsDB/irclogs/blob/d51294060aab365b89926d9bf8ad43f13df414ed/ddnet/2020-11-27.log#L9-L10

TeeworldsDB/irclogs

Mirror of https://ddnet.tw/irclogs/. Contribute to TeeworldsDB/irclogs development by creating an account on GitHub.

ChillerDragon i saw deen starred ur repo

18:56

congrats

18:56

real famous

woot

rip

whichg

18:57

doubt

Image attachment

4d ago lul

18:57

i dont follow deen on github?

u dont check discord?

18:57

why u dont

18:58

thats rude

wat? xd

18:58

wdym

xd

lul a star by def- the legend

yeah told u

couldnt believe

265 followers on github

18:59

thats quite a lot

18:59

a celebrity

oof yes

how many u have?

18:59

i got 27

dont ask

18:59

:/

:/

i dont follow him tho thats why i missed the star

19:00

maybe i should xd

xd

19:00

following is actually useful

thats how to get follower

19:00

star everything

u get to know what others work on and like

good old like for like social media tactics

stars in github are actually used as a bookmark btw

is deens feed fun?

19:00

ima try

u probs never thought of it

ofc i thought of it

so u picked ur brain up?

https://github.com/ChillerDragon/github-meta/issues/3

watch later · Issue #3 · ChillerDragon/github-meta

List of repos that I want to look into. This list replaces my habit of starring repos to mark them as "read later". https://github.com/tillson/git-hound https://github.com/Forrest...

https://github.com/Mebus/cupp/issues/54

19:02

how is this a funny issue

19:02

ur sense of funny is funny

xd

19:02

rude

D:

i giggled when i saw it

19:04

but i cant rly follow any more users on gh tbh

19:05

it messes up my following and followers rate

19:05

it looks like i sub4sub when its equal xd

19:05

maybe i unfollow Ryozuki to follow def- :p

19:06

ok i unfollow https://github.com/dr-soft

dr-soft - Overview

dr-soft has 3 repositories available. Follow their code on GitHub.

19:06

f

19:06

shoutout to him

thats rude

i wonder how many ppl read this chat and are really upset how much trashtalk i do here xd

well if other ppl were actually chatting about development i would stop

19:07

but no one is saying anything

Embedded image

19:07

im fan now

ChillerDragon more reasons for u to use discord https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/3472

Add discord rich presence by edg-l · Pull Request #3472 · ddnet/ddn...

Current work done: finding discord libraries (tested only on linux by me) Checklist Tested the change ingame Provided screenshots if it is a visual change Tested in combination with possibly re...

no thats a reason to not merge chillerbot w upstream

xd

19:08

its optional

:p

u have to enable -DDiscord=ON

19:08

nobo

19:08

learn cmake

oof

19:09

when add irc rich presence?

good joke

19:09

i laughed

:/

i tried 3 times in a row but vscode wont start anymore and now also minecraft is affected xd

19:21

if i never come online again my system broke and i could not get it running again

ChillerDragtroll

ChillerDragon get a arch linux usb live in hand

19:28

just in case

i borrowed my usb to NewTee :/

19:29

@NewTee return it

19:29

is he even on this discord? xd

nah

pepeSad

19:29

i learned its what cool kids use today

19:29

all these pepe slang makes you young

they say POGGERS

xd

this is just twitch slang

https://veryaligaming.com/2021/01/valve-hire-a-psychologist-to-better-understand-gamers-veryali/

Valve Hire a Psychologist to Better Understand Gamers - VeryAli

Valve Hire a Psychologist to Better Understand Gamers. The pyschologist will be tasked with work on future Valve titles

20:37

interesting

20:38

We hope that the psychologist stays well clear of CSGO and DOTA 2 skins situation.(or they might seek psychiatric help themselves)

20:38

lmao

20:38

monkalaugh

20:38

i definitly dont need a psychologist monkalaugh

monkalaugh

Image attachment

Do we have a map by a chinese player yet ?

@Ama why

If the community is that far yet

21:29

As they get the People with most points per month

21:29

We have maps from most communitys

bit

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #3466 Linux official build fails

23:18

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

fcaae09 Fix linux build by reordering ffmpeg libs (fixes #3466) - def- 1415b95 Merge #3473 - bors[bot]

23:18

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #3473 Fix linux build by reordering ffmpeg libs (fixes #3466)

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