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GitHub BOT 2020-12-23 00:13:46Z
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def-
[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit
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GitHub BOT 2020-12-23 00:26:40Z
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fokkonaut
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3439 Support for F-Client

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GitHub BOT 2020-12-23 05:30:47Z
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[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit
307b9a6 M Justice 2 - ddnet-maps
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 08:14:52Z
aoc day23, part 2: ger2 is slower than my local server 😦
08:15
anyone got a server with fast single-core performance?
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2020-12-23 08:56:16Z
what is fast
09:01
@QshaR you here? could https://qshar.com/maps.tar.gz change back to a directory called maps/ containings maps? :) currently it is home/teeworlds/serverMN/data/maps
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GitHub BOT 2020-12-23 09:01:38Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3440 Fix veto vote, simplified logic
Reported by Lenah on Discord

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deen 2020-12-23 09:02:59Z
@heinrich5991 servers usually don't have good single-core performance. Why not run it on a local machine? Intel desktop CPUs will do 5 GHz easily
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 09:03:43Z
qshar was not highlighted by you, ChillerDragon
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2020-12-23 09:03:46Z
meh
09:03
ty for info tho
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 09:04:02Z
@deen hm. unfortunately my desktop CPUs are old years old and very slow
09:04
I guess my home server has a desktop CPU
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Ryozuki 2020-12-23 09:05:25Z
https://blog.johnnovak.net/2020/12/21/nim-apocrypha-vol1/
Nim Apocrypha, Vol. I
Personal blog of John Novak
09:05
nim becoming more famous?
09:05
POGGIES
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 09:05:35Z
please no spoilers for day23
09:05
(I realize this one is day21)
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Ryozuki 2020-12-23 09:05:58Z
hmm?
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 09:06:20Z
I'm not yet done with day23 ^^
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Ryozuki 2020-12-23 09:06:37Z
what i sent is just a blog post
09:06
not related to aoc xd
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 09:06:47Z
oh 😄
09:06
sorry, still have my aoc glasses on
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Ryozuki 2020-12-23 09:07:02Z
monkalaugh
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 09:43:31Z
@deen https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/3440#discussion_r547867225
Fix veto vote, simplified logic by def- · Pull Request #3440 · ddne...
Reported by Lenah on Discord Further broken by #3405 Checklist Tested the change ingame Provided screenshots if it is a visual change Tested in combination with possibly related configuration ...
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deen 2020-12-23 09:53:13Z
done
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 10:12:29Z
💕
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2020-12-23 10:54:14Z
is it possible to submit maps to ddnet without having discord?
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deen 2020-12-23 10:55:22Z
no
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2020-12-23 11:06:20Z
oh thats sad :/
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GitHub BOT 2020-12-23 11:21:46Z
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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
e981d1b Fix veto vote, simplified logic - def- 2eae2c9 Merge #3440 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #3440 Fix veto vote, simplified logic
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Learath2 2020-12-23 12:05:37Z
@heinrich5991 my server has a desktop cpu if you want to give it a go :P
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Learath2 2020-12-23 12:58:37Z
Though I guess it's supposed to run on most any machine, maybe your algorithm is not efficient?
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GitHub BOT 2020-12-23 13:10:15Z
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trml
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #3368 Only render visible entities
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Patiga 2020-12-23 13:15:13Z
mine only ran for 3 hours
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Learath2 2020-12-23 13:35:18Z
@heinrich5991 is there no way to ask for a version of clang-format in our config?
13:37
Not sure if acceptable but we could have CI commit the final formatting
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GitHub BOT 2020-12-23 14:01:19Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3441 Only render visible particles
Helps with maps like "The Dream" view without whitespaces

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Though I guess it's supposed to run on most any machine, maybe your algorithm is not efficient?
heinrich5991 2020-12-23 14:05:19Z
@Learath2 no shit 😛
14:05
my first 2.5h run had an off-by-one error
14:05
hopefully this run will be fine
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Ravie 2020-12-23 14:22:43Z
am I missing anything?
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deen 2020-12-23 14:25:01Z
@Ravie X number of jumps?
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Ravie 2020-12-23 14:26:22Z
ah yeah I've decided to wait with that one since it's a weird case
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 14:26:36Z
render it per text container
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deen 2020-12-23 14:27:54Z
And I guess showing tunes is too complex/confusing
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Ravie 2020-12-23 14:28:12Z
yeah but I'm not sure for example how small the rendered numbers can be before they're illegible
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 14:28:29Z
who implements it btw?
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 14:28:38Z
I liked the display idea of showing that many dj indicators
14:28
in the top left corner
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like health currently
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(doesn't have to be horizontal)
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Ravie 2020-12-23 14:29:06Z
yeah that's the coolest option I guess
14:29
I can design a dj icon in a style like healthbar with the empty one as well
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deen 2020-12-23 14:29:39Z
and is there a countdown timer for freeze? (blue line)
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 14:29:56Z
I guess the teleweapons could instead replace the normal weapons
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Ravie 2020-12-23 14:30:31Z
what if you got the buff but don't have that weapon yet?
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 14:30:52Z
oh, that's possible? I guess show it beneath the disabled weapon
14:31
the orange portal
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Ravie 2020-12-23 14:31:46Z
well it might be unlikely to be in a map but I'm just trying to think what fuckery you can do, since eventually someone will do it anyway
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 14:31:56Z
yea, sounds good!
14:31
I didn't realize that one
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Ravie 2020-12-23 14:35:39Z
I guess there needs to be something like a "ddnet_game.png" if it's not just icons
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 14:45:31Z
yea
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I guess we could put it into the normal game.png
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and make the size larger
14:46
taking it from our default game.png if the user-provided game.png does not have these icons
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 14:46:56Z
are there any free platforms for hosting telegram bots
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Ravie 2020-12-23 14:46:58Z
if we resize game.png or add anything to it then you can't use custom skins
14:47
unless you edit ddnet stuff into it which is a problem to some people
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taking it from our default game.png if the user-provided game.png does not have these icons
heinrich5991 2020-12-23 14:47:32Z
see above, we just use the default icons if they're not present in the custom one
14:47
I think this solution is cleaner because it allows people to share a game.png for ddnet in one file
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Ravie 2020-12-23 14:48:39Z
but resolution needs to stay the same anyway and there might not be enough room for all the new stuff (and if there is, then barely enough with no room for the future)
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 14:51:33Z
no, we'd change the resolution, I think
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Ravie 2020-12-23 14:52:32Z
so you mean, if the gameskin resolution is 1024x512 then load default ddnet stuff (which is its own file then anyway)?
14:52
or are old gameskins just incompatible
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 14:52:58Z
yes.
14:53
not incompatible
14:53
that would be bad
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 14:53:06Z
@heinrich5991 makes more sense to have a new file
14:53
for all the icons
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 14:53:28Z
why is that? I gave reasons for the other point of view above
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 14:53:40Z
oh
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 14:53:54Z
cant we use the ones from entities
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 14:54:09Z
how?
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 14:54:19Z
well the tiles
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 14:54:24Z
looks weird
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 14:54:51Z
they look very similar
14:54
dont they
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 14:55:17Z
yes but we cant just use the tile
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 14:55:22Z
why not
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 14:55:28Z
Looks weird
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 14:56:02Z
alter thje default entities so we can use them
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Ravie
am I missing anything?
fokkonaut 2020-12-23 14:56:11Z
Imagine this with tiles xd
14:56
would look bad
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 14:56:23Z
it is basically tiles
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Ravie 2020-12-23 14:56:25Z
well my icons are literally tiles now xD
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 14:56:36Z
but not with the Background around it
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Ravie 2020-12-23 14:56:59Z
they're in a 64x64 square, just not filling it fully
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 14:57:14Z
yea and tiles are filling a full tile
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Ravie 2020-12-23 14:57:23Z
nah
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 14:57:35Z
of course they are
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 14:57:43Z
yes they have a background
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however, the entities have more space left
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game png is already tight
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 14:58:24Z
I outlined a solution above, what's the problem?
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we enlarge game.png, with backward compatibility
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 14:58:57Z
makes game.png incompatible to vanilla tho
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in the other direction
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ddnet to vanilla
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not opposite
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Ravie 2020-12-23 14:59:12Z
@fokkonaut
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 14:59:18Z
yes, but it can be fixed by truncating the image in a normal graphics editor
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 14:59:28Z
i know
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@Ravie
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But we still cant use entities for this because entities have a background around
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thats all im saying xd
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:00:14Z
but it doesn't matter what you put in a tile xD it can be fully transparent and still a tile
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:00:22Z
yes. you two are agreeing
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:00:33Z
@Ravie its more about using the entities clear
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 15:00:37Z
@Ravie ^
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:00:38Z
instead of custom icons
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 15:00:43Z
correct
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Axaris 2020-12-23 15:01:12Z
hey guys sorry for interruption I would need help with sending skin change to 0.7 clients on DDNet for 0.6 clients version it works like this would appreciate any help :) void CPlayer::Snap(int SnappingClient) . . CNetObj_ClientInfo *pClientInfo = static_cast<CNetObj_ClientInfo *>(Server()->SnapNewItem(NETOBJTYPE_CLIENTINFO, id, sizeof(CNetObj_ClientInfo))); . . StrToInts(&pClientInfo->m_Skin0, 6, m_Zombie ? "cammo" : m_TeeInfos.m_SkinName);
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:01:18Z
why would you use entities clear for it o.o (edited)
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:01:39Z
so ppl can use their own icons
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easily
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:01:47Z
just like in game.png
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 15:01:48Z
@Axaris protocol7::NETMSGTYPE_SV_SKINCHANGE
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:01:56Z
but game.png is not tied to entities also
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:01:58Z
except it fits better in game than entities
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 15:02:13Z
@Axaris check gamecontext.cpp, should be used somewhere
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:02:19Z
i'd say the opposite, since these are looking like the tiles
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(atleast graphically)
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:02:44Z
there will also be other stuff, jump meter which is like hp bar and freeze timer
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then you need to add stuff to entities and still add an image for the other things xD
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 15:03:15Z
@Axaris sorry, its protocol7::CNetMsg_Sv_SkinChange
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:03:39Z
well the most less conflicting thing is adding a new asset for ddnet only
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Axaris 2020-12-23 15:03:59Z
@fokkonaut thanks, that looks great
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:04:47Z
imo it's the only sensible thing
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:05:04Z
@Deleted User that makes it hard to make skinpacks
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because now you have to distribute two files
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:05:37Z
if we have this stuff in an expanded game.png then we still need another image with ddnet stuff, and there's extra work for coders to detect if those icons are missing and blah blah
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:05:49Z
extra work for coders > extra work for users
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:05:56Z
+you never know if someone slaps random crap in his game.png and gets detected as a valid one
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:06:14Z
it's better if one developer has to do some work, rather than hundreds of users
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:06:51Z
One benefit of fitting it on game.png would be that we already have asset switching implemented
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:07:01Z
yea, that too
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:07:21Z
wouldn't that be the benefit of having it as 2 images?
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:07:22Z
@heinrich5991 do you know what vanilla does if it loads a game.png of the wrong size?
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deen 2020-12-23 15:07:55Z
probably scale it
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:07:59Z
If we have 2 images we need to add one more tab and implement a way to switch the second texture too
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probably scale it
Learath2 2020-12-23 15:08:25Z
I don't think this is acceptable then. We can't break other clients
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If they'd truncate, then we could consider this
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:09:05Z
alternatively name it game_ddnet.png and only use that if it's available
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still containing everything
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:10:01Z
And if someone switches ingame to an old type game.png we can use the missing icons from the default
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:10:06Z
yes
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:10:10Z
I think this is the winner solution
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deen 2020-12-23 15:10:22Z
agreed
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:11:04Z
it's fine, but now if someone makes a gameskin he needs to make 2 versions, for ddnet and 0.7 which splits the community even more
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:11:29Z
The 0.7 version would be just a crop
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:11:38Z
yeah
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:11:48Z
And if they only release a 0.7 version then we use the default icons for our stuff
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louis 2020-12-23 15:11:51Z
wait are u proposing to make game.png a different resolution
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:11:56Z
@heinrich5991 why?
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just add a new asset tab
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louis 2020-12-23 15:12:13Z
nobody needs new assets for hud icons
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:12:15Z
the other solution is complete overkill
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:12:47Z
@Deleted User can you give arguments please ^^
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"complete overkill" is very subjective
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:13:00Z
bcs u have to anylze alot of stuff, have two game pngs
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:13:01Z
you still need a new tab :x
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:13:06Z
no, we don't need a new tab
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:13:07Z
Adding an entire ui tab with functionality isn't overkill but checking the resolution of an image is? I don't see either being harder
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:13:18Z
unless you incorporate some weird gameskin merger into Gameskin tab
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:13:34Z
@Learath2 its also sharing game pngs, with the new added icons (edited)
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heinrich5991
see above, we just use the default icons if they're not present in the custom one
heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:13:48Z
@Ravie ^
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:14:04Z
what makes that better than using a new image tho?
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i dont get it
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:14:20Z
Only issue I see is a 0.7 player accidentally using a game_ddnet.png
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:14:21Z
it makes it just harder to keep state with vanilla
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deen 2020-12-23 15:14:22Z
one annoying thing about checking resolution is that some people will make HD assets
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:14:31Z
@deen we check the ratio
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deen 2020-12-23 15:14:38Z
yeah, that's better
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:14:41Z
yeah I see nothing wrong with a separate image, there's already game, entities, particles, gui_icons, emoticons
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:14:53Z
the difference is that it makes it harder to do a skin
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:14:54Z
even better, just use a new image, for a completly unrelated image xD
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:15:02Z
you now have to distribute two images, for relatively similar things
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currently the ingame HUD comes from one file
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:15:14Z
why is all this stuff not slapped into a single frankengame.png
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:15:25Z
oh come on, you're not arguing in good faith
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you now have to distribute two images, for relatively similar things
Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:15:47Z
in your solution yes, but the hud can still stay independent of the other icons
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:15:54Z
well to me it doesn't matter that much one way or the other, I'm just perplexed why merging it would be a better solution
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:16:16Z
Well most people don't. Why argue in good faith and bother actually making up counter arguments when a strawman has the same effect
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:16:29Z
@Ravie we gave arguments, but you don't seem to refer to them when trying to say why the solution is bad. if you don't care, nice. then we can go ahead with the solution three people like
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:16:46Z
so what if u want default game png with new icons
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it just makes it harder
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:17:04Z
For the record I wanted to avoid another separate asset tab
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:17:05Z
they are unrelated things
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:17:15Z
hm? currently HUD stuff is in game.png
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:17:24Z
yes. thats the argument
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:17:25Z
like the hearts, the crosshairs
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and we want to keep it that way
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:17:35Z
but we talk about the icons from ravie
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:17:46Z
which are displayed in the game HUD, like the stuff in game.png
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:17:46Z
u want to add them into that image dont u?
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:17:56Z
(e.g. the hearts, the non-filled hearts)
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:18:16Z
i think u dont get the main point
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louis 2020-12-23 15:18:20Z
i think merging is bad but i'll clarify in a bit
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:18:28Z
these icons from @Ravie look like entities not like Game HUD
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so if u want new icons but default game
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u have more work
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:18:48Z
no
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if you load a vanilla-style game.png, we fill it with default new icons
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:19:21Z
yes
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i mean the opposite
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:19:41Z
to me they look like neither xD they're their own thing
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:19:52Z
@Ravie isn't it like the health display?
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:20:04Z
@Ravie what i meant is, u use louis entities u probs only want to replace these icons
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:20:06Z
yeah the dj/freeze stuff is
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:20:08Z
not anything else
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:20:13Z
If you load a ddnet style game.png you get all icons. I don't see what complex analysis problem you are mentioning here
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:20:30Z
there's one thing like game.png and another thing like entities, and together they're like neither (but still belong together)
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:20:34Z
@Learath2 then u have a full new game.png
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just for these icons
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it removes modularity
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:21:13Z
we don't have modularity for these kinds of things right now
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:21:23Z
we didnt even implement it
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:21:24Z
you can't change weapons without hook, etc.
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:21:35Z
but these are not directly related to the game
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:21:35Z
I guess hp/shield bar becomes obsolete, so now only this new image is gui
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:21:47Z
we still have hp/shield for other gametypes
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:22:07Z
well ok
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:22:37Z
Let's just have a separate file with only ddnet icons and a new asset tab. This just isn't a hill worth dying on
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:22:52Z
no. this makes sharing it unnecessarily hard
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see teeworlds 0.7 skins
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:22:57Z
no
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:22:59Z
those are also hard to share
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:23:06Z
I'm all for having dj/freeze bar in game, but icons are smth completely else
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:23:09Z
i completly disagree, its the exact opposite
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:23:17Z
okay. let's move this discussion to github
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:23:17Z
it makes it harder to share if we merge them
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:23:24Z
we're just repeating arguments at this point
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:23:29Z
its like u put particles.png into game.png bcs they are both used similary
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GitHub BOT 2020-12-23 15:23:43Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #3442 Extending game.png
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no. this makes sharing it unnecessarily hard
Learath2 2020-12-23 15:23:48Z
I agree, but I don't have time to implement it and other people won't spend their time implementing things they don't agree with
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:23:53Z
I guess it's also an option to put dj/freeze in game and a new image for icons
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:24:00Z
I'll implement it, d/w
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:24:18Z
i just dont get how you can think so complicated xD
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:24:20Z
I don't think anyone would take it on himself to make custom new icons with how (in)active the artist community is right now
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:24:27Z
One issue that bugs me is @deen's comment about HD textures
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:24:43Z
that isnt the main issue
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i just dont get how you can think so complicated xD
Learath2 2020-12-23 15:24:56Z
Again I don't see how either is more complicated and you refuse to elaborate
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:25:04Z
??????????????????
15:25
i stated arguments nobody here could give an argument against (edited)
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:25:25Z
link?
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GitHub BOT 2020-12-23 15:25:48Z
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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
2ea2d67 Only render visible particles - Jupeyy 7ec58f6 Merge #3441 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #3441 Only render visible particles
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:25:51Z
https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/293493549758939136/791324046386135061
15:25
read from here
15:26
new icons but default gamepng
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creates the same png again
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just with new icoons
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bcs u dont want modularity
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:26:35Z
@Deleted User post the argument to the github issue and I will respond
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 15:26:42Z
wtf
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:26:54Z
I won't respond here, because I feel like I already have, and doing so again would just create the cycle once more
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:27:19Z
Ah I see what he means, I guess that is a concern
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:27:32Z
ok, idc at this point, its 3 vs 2 anyway just make sure to use quad containers and text containers for performance
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:27:35Z
Mixing and matching is not space efficient if we use one game png
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:27:37Z
can you also move to github please, @Learath2?
15:27
we already found out that discussions here are unsearchale
15:27
and will just repeat, like accounts
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:28:06Z
Sure
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:28:11Z
thanks ❤️
15:29
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3442#issuecomment-750349972 @Deleted User did I correctly paraphrase your concern?
Extending game.png · Issue #3442 · ddnet/ddnet
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:30:33Z
i just posted it
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:32:08Z
thanks
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:32:13Z
@heinrich5991 btw you wanna ship game.png twice? or how would one know which image to edit
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:32:35Z
everything you post here will get lost and re-discussed
15:32
I'll post your question to github, okay?
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:32:45Z
no need
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:32:55Z
just ship game_ddnet.png
15:32
not game.png
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:33:38Z
hm and then you're supposed to just know that pasting an old style game.png will also work? (edited)
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:33:58Z
I guess, yes
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:34:05Z
meh I hate "hidden features"
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:34:29Z
Ddnet is full of them :P
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:35:02Z
it's not the best example tho is it justatest
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 15:35:56Z
just a new file would fix all issues
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:35:56Z
@heinrich5991 we really need to find a good way to update extended objects soon
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:36:09Z
@fokkonaut → githubh
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 15:36:12Z
a new file would also be better for editing purposes
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Ravie 2020-12-23 15:36:16Z
@fokkonaut not exactly, I'm not sure myself which way is better
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 15:36:22Z
If only another game.png is wanted
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:36:42Z
@Learath2 yes. it's basically only a programming problem
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:36:43Z
I want to add a couple new things into ddnetplayer for a while now and it's really a pain to introduce a new version and write compatibility code everywhere
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 15:36:49Z
Well, guess why there is particles.png and why its not in game.png
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Not related/ other topic
15:37
So why dont we just add a new file for these icons
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:37:10Z
@fokkonaut please go to github if you want to discuss this. some people have already posted there
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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3442
Extending game.png · Issue #3442 · ddnet/ddnet
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15:37
you're repeating arguments that have already been said here
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 15:37:37Z
ok
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@Learath2 what do you want to add?
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teamsstate?
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:38:38Z
I want to add the team# to ddnet player. I want to move teamstate into a new extended message so we can add things like practice flag to it e.g.
15:39
I wanted a couple things in ddnetcharacter too but they don't come to mind right now
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:39:29Z
yea, sorry, it's still not solved
15:39
and it's unfortunately not on top of my list of things to do
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fokkonaut 2020-12-23 15:39:43Z
I would want to do the F-Client release soon, @heinrich5991 @Learath2 could you tell me if the pr is okay like this?
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:40:02Z
I think you already solved it tho, it's only a matter of implementation
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:40:21Z
yes. but it's not the next thing I'll do on ddnet
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and it's unfortunately not on top of my list of things to do
Learath2 2020-12-23 15:40:30Z
It's kinda one of the most important things as far as ddnet is concerned right now imo
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heinrich5991 2020-12-23 15:41:04Z
https://github.com/heinrich5991/libtw2/issues/35 https://github.com/heinrich5991/libtw2/issues/30 https://github.com/heinrich5991/libtw2/issues/29
teehistorian2demo: thread 'main' panicked at 'assertion failed: 0 <...
$ RUST_BACKTRACE=full /media/libtw2/target/debug/teehistorian2demo 7482cb75-d198-4256-b80d-c69f342c95ff.teehistorian thread &#39;main&#39; panicked at &#39;assertion failed: 0 &lt;=...
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Currently panics when it gets to a player without info.
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Make teehistorian2demo embed SHA256s · Issue #29 · heinrich5991/lib...
All but the oldest teehistorian files have this information embedded, add it to the demo (in DDNet format, there's a field for it).
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these are the next things I wanted to tackle
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:41:20Z
Well obv it's your time, you can spend it however you want. But if your list of things to do is based on priority maybe recheck this one :P
15:41
Ah libtw stuff is also quite important 0.7 messages are a nuisance
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YupHio 2020-12-23 15:41:59Z
Yo time for a scrum meeting and iteration planning to prioritize the backlog everyone xD
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:43:04Z
I gtg for half an hour. Need to shop before everything closes for christmas and I'm left starving
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2020-12-23 15:44:22Z
lmao @YupHio
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:44:55Z
Btw, is it normal that antiping makes my game very jittery and rubberbandy on high ping servers even if I'm alone?
15:45
I'd think we have enough information to predict perfectly regardless of ping
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deen 2020-12-23 15:45:35Z
alone it shouldn't expect if there is a lot of packet loss etc
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:45:51Z
Ah maybe I have packet loss to china, I'll check later
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YupHio 2020-12-23 15:47:03Z
(insert politically incorrect joke about Wuhan not releasing packet data)
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deen 2020-12-23 15:48:20Z
Yes, happens to me too on CHN servers
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YupHio 2020-12-23 15:49:22Z
Can someone give me a brief rundown on the whole 0.7 debate? I hear a lot of talk/complaints about versions lately. Are some people preferring an older version of TW? Does DDNet only support a certain version now? Are there pros and cons?
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Also, why does DDNet have their own master server? Did TW refuse to list the extra traffic from tons of DDNet servers on the regular TW master servers or something? Or is it a move for DDNet to become more independent and "its own project" without having to rely on TW?
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I'm just out of the loop, sry :)
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:53:01Z
0.7 debate sums down to ideology mostly. People are so fanatical. There are indeed people who prefer the old version but it's small things like ui look
15:53
Ddnet would ideally migrate to 0.7 too but it's a lot of work and we are busy ppl :P So ddnet supports both 0.7 and 0.6 clients thanks to a compatibility layer
15:54
Ddnet hosts a master because we didn't really think one person should host all the masters
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 15:54:40Z
only issue i see is that skins look weird in 0.7, rest is better xd
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 15:54:56Z
🙃
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:55:30Z
The code is getting cleaned up quite a lot lately in 0.7 so it'd be a better developer experience atleast
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 15:55:59Z
I don't like teeworlds overall. It haunts me.
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deen 2020-12-23 15:56:16Z
We've been hosting a master server for TW for years, but we recently moved it to a separate server because it attracts too many DoS attacks. Also feels reasonable since half of TW servers are DDNet
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 15:56:59Z
The DDNet tab doesn't count as a master right?
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deen 2020-12-23 15:57:28Z
correct
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Learath2 2020-12-23 15:57:31Z
Nah that's a json file we serve over http
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 15:58:25Z
I don't think an out of loop person would pick up on the master changes that easily, so I want to make it clear.
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YupHio 2020-12-23 16:00:26Z
Makes sense. I was quite surprised at how few vanilla servers there are now. DDNet will assimilate all, resistance is futile.
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:01:00Z
It'd be nice if there were more hosters but people just want to play a handful of mods
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:01:12Z
thonk
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:01:33Z
@YupHio if u care about dev aspect, i'd say code that is added to ddnet(not ddrace) is ok, ddnet also has extensions(network wise) support and a new OpenGL support, which makes it quite powerful compared to vanilla
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:02:09Z
Indeed
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:02:13Z
Yeah the stuff we inherited from ddrace is not pleasant
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:02:47Z
It's too powerful I don't know how to work on it most of the time
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:03:03Z
I was working on a complete rewrite for ddnet7 but I'm stuck on a task too large for my 5 minute attention span
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:03:32Z
How complete.
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:03:42Z
Isolating gamecontroller will be the thing that makes teeworlds modding a breeze
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How complete.
Learath2 2020-12-23 16:04:15Z
Like entirely from scratch except for the ddnet additions, like the auth manager, uuid manager, network extensions, teehistorian
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:04:24Z
I see
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:05:01Z
I could hack it all in, but the last major release was like this too, just bolting it on using spaghetti again and again is insane
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But the way tw is set up with gamecontroller leaking all over the place you can't really isolate your gamemode from the server code
16:06
They really should put warning labels on potato chips. It's too addictive
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Ravie 2020-12-23 16:07:24Z
first idea
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:08:12Z
Was there any plan on the vanilla side to provide a better gamecontroller
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:08:36Z
No, but I think they miight accept a cleaner one
16:08
Oy has been pretty accepting lately
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He even accepted my cute custom commands patch
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:08:55Z
Surprisingly
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I came in expecting to be rejected all the time
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thonk so far so good tho.
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:09:26Z
That's how it used to be back in the day
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:09:39Z
Ye I've heard that
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:09:50Z
The only thing you'd hear from oy would be "wontfix"
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:10:33Z
But I thought either way I need chinese compatibility if it gets rejected I'll just make mods
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:10:53Z
IGameController is a big fat liar. It's not an interface at all. So first order of business is making that into an ABC
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:11:12Z
How do you do interface in c++ tho
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Or am I thinking a different interface
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:11:47Z
An ABC is the closest you get to an interface in c++
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:11:55Z
I see
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:11:59Z
E.g. IServer, that's an interface
16:12
After that the next part is combing through the code calling into the gamecontroller and removing all code that's not mod agnostic
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:12:38Z
So for mods you just create a implementation of IGameController something like that?
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:12:50Z
E.g. things like restart round. Not all mods have rounds
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Yes ideally a mod would be just a gamecontroller + entities
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:13:42Z
That's a lot of work cirBlech
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:14:00Z
We must keep the diff into the original code very clean so that it's trivial to merge with vanilla updates
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:15:14Z
I didn't do a good job of that with textrender tbh.
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:15:19Z
I even wanted to not touch the original entities but that proves a little too hard
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@TsFreddie but that wasn't a mod. It was a patch for vanilla
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:15:56Z
Oh right
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:16:08Z
I mean for a mod. A mod should have the absolute minimal diff for the original code
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:16:15Z
Ye
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Screw client mods
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:17:03Z
The client is way too integrated, sadly no such thing is possible there
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Though I kinda like the component system in there, maybe the server should have one too
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:18:40Z
I helped merging for f-client. Not pleasent. And seems like I broke a lot of stuff in f-client too
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:20:13Z
Well an interface change is sadly painful
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No way to avoid the large diff
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:21:00Z
So is anything robyt3 does currently.
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🙃 must do it while oy still in the zone
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:22:29Z
I’m hoping robyt3 gets interested in server moddability. He seems to have inhuman performance and attention span. He is my only hope of ever getting a clean interface for modding
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:23:22Z
would be nice to make a mod without breaking vanilla code(or only minimally) indeed (edited)
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:24:40Z
I don't even know if there is a way to communicate with robyt3 other than in issues or pr.
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:24:48Z
xD
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create issue "I want to talk to robyte"
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:25:03Z
He just shows up and delivers a thousand lines of clean code and disappears
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Code Santa
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:25:15Z
Like magic
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Like I don't know how to say I want to do a Ime implementation on top of his work.
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So I just pr'd into his repo and he doesn't even check his own repo
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🙃
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We should come up a way to bait him into server codes
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:28:58Z
but is he even interesting in designing a good polymorphic server impl?
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rewritting isnt enough there
16:29
would the maintainers of vanilla even allow it?
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they still dont use STL which makes absolute no sense to me xD
16:30
they seem to be a bit over conservative with their things
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@TsFreddie u are alot around in vanilla, is there some issue discussing such things?
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i'd really like to see an answer from the devs there xd
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:32:29Z
What the stl?
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:32:50Z
standard template library, but i also mean generally, what is allowed and what not
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:33:03Z
Tbh idk
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:33:26Z
i somewhere saw someone said vanilla is more open for mods now
16:33
and dune seems to be, but if oy isnt that doesnt help
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:33:38Z
Dune probably mentioned once that stl's naming scheme makes no sense.
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:34:01Z
but if u arent grown up with teeworlds code like me, it makes things just harder
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:34:09Z
Oy is open to more cleanup
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If you can hide this change under the guise of cleanup it’d get in
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:34:32Z
But I feel like no stl does make everything more clear what it is doing.
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:34:48Z
i mean they just reimplement STL
16:34
so i dont see the point tbh xd
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:34:55Z
Why? I think STL makes things easier to read
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:35:15Z
but if i read list, i think of a STL list
16:35
not a vector
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:35:18Z
std::swap is clearer than an ad-hoc implementation e.g.
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:35:31Z
or array
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:35:33Z
(And more efficient)
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:35:36Z
i think array was it in vanilla
16:35
i think of a static array
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not a vector
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:36:04Z
std::vector on almost any implementation of stl is better than what we have in teeworlds code
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<algorithm> is prettier than what we have in base/tl too
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:36:45Z
thonk
16:36
Idk
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I just work with what they've used before
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:37:17Z
well i'd also replace the thread stuff with c++11
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:37:17Z
Ad-hoc implementations of hashmaps are also very meh in teeworlds, e.g. the bans and the serverlist
16:37
Yeah C++11 threading is well supported almost everywhere
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:38:25Z
android already uses clang 11, which support alot of c++20 stuff already
16:38
and thats an embedded system 😄
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:39:00Z
Wait teeworlds has hashmap?
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:39:09Z
(googles android ndk to be precise :D)
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:39:13Z
C++20 is sooo cute
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Wait teeworlds has hashmap?
Learath2 2020-12-23 16:39:25Z
It has a couple of ad-hoc implementations
16:39
Because it’s actually fairly involved to design a good generic hashmap
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:39:51Z
thonk if you just search stl in teeworlds discord, you just see dune
16:41
For me personally, as long as it works I'll use whatever. Not like you need to learn stl or anything if they switched.
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:41:21Z
To be honest with you system.c could probably be replaced by boost 😛
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:41:36Z
I don't like boost for some reason
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:41:40Z
I don’t really like boost tho, very bloated
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:41:41Z
Maybe it is a ptsd thing
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:41:56Z
Heard it’s much better nowadays
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:42:31Z
boost is really awesome
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:42:31Z
Does boost do almost everything
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:42:31Z
The entirety of fs_ functions can be replaced by the C++17 filesystem support
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:42:39Z
but sadly annoying to get compile under windows
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:42:45Z
Boost can probably cook you a dinner
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but sadly annoying to get compile under windows
TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:43:00Z
That's my ptsd part I guess
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:43:19Z
Boost is a heaaavy heavy abstraction
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:43:42Z
Librime uses boost and I have no idea how to compile. Also downloading the library is like wtf it is so huge.
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:43:51Z
alot of c++ standardization is inspired by boost in fact
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:44:02Z
With c++ templates having shit compilation properties it’s one of the things that makes C++ programs compile sooo slow
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:44:31Z
As long as it is fast during runtime(
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:44:39Z
Anyway, with C++20 we have a lot of standard stuff
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:44:52Z
i am missing sockets 😄
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:44:54Z
That replaces boost stuff
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:45:01Z
boost has async sockets
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:45:06Z
I don’t see sockets happening anytime soon
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:45:08Z
well all async io
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i think c++23 wants it, no?
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:46:10Z
Have anyone actually tried to convince oy to use stl
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thonk
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:46:22Z
i cant even write to him xd
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:46:36Z
Are you banned from irc or what
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:46:49Z
not on the allow list probs
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:47:02Z
iirc sockets keep getting deferred since 11
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:47:19Z
yeah its been a while true
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:47:37Z
Can't you just use irc and talk in irc directly
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:47:43Z
but tbh its mostly about making it easier to use, the c sockets are very similar under all OS
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:47:54Z
Did anyone ever use std::async? Looks interesting but I never really looked into it
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:47:58Z
@TsFreddie i dunno xd
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:48:32Z
Window’s implementation of posix is hot garbage
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:48:32Z
not really, i used boost async io in the past
16:48
still better than using windows functions xD
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:49:00Z
I’d honestly prefer winapi functions
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:49:06Z
Me too
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:49:20Z
it always feels like winapi uses too long names to say something small
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:49:21Z
They have clearly defined behaviour most of the time
16:49
Oh yep the massive names are a turn off
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EnterCriticalSection_Ex
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:49:52Z
The doc is pretty clear tbh (at least for the Ime part)
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:50:14Z
yeah but they also documents their posix stuff xD
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:50:18Z
GetDataFromTheFirstSocketInList(SOCKLIST **)
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:50:21Z
xD
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yeah but they also documents their posix stuff xD
Learath2 2020-12-23 16:50:35Z
Yeah but it’s riddled with unexpected behaviour
16:51
Pretending things that are not files are files is very hard with the ntkernel
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:51:25Z
Winapi's Hungarian notation is a bit extreme tho
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:51:45Z
that came unexpected xD
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Learath2 2020-12-23 16:51:55Z
Also the fact that they keep 16bit support around is annoying
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:52:56Z
Gotta support some third country bank that uses dos software on windows 10
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:54:52Z
yeah, you need to use \?\C:\PATH to get the path without its small path limit, which is quite annoying or smth like that
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cant remember
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let me google
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https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/win32/fileio/maximum-file-path-limitation
Maximum Path Length Limitation - Win32 apps
Maximum path length limitation.
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:57:05Z
🙃
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Will wine someday be able to do everything windows related
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:57:42Z
except DRM stuff yes
16:57
i'd say wine is already really good
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:59:06Z
What's stopping drm from working in wine
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:59:21Z
its hard to break it, so you need the orignal windows libs probably
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 16:59:36Z
thonk
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 16:59:38Z
especially new stuff
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 17:00:05Z
I guess I never thought about how drm works
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:00:16Z
i also dont directly know how it works
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Learath2 2020-12-23 17:00:31Z
Depends on how drm is done, some forms of it don’t really care about wine
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 17:00:50Z
Like if it runs, the stuff must be unencrypted at some point in some where no?
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Learath2 2020-12-23 17:01:05Z
Nope, welcome to the world of modern drm
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 17:01:21Z
thonk then wizardry it is
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:01:22Z
alot of stuff is unpacked and remove on fly
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so only a part is always visible
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i even have a CDROM that is around 20 years old and still cant be broken 😄
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Learath2 2020-12-23 17:01:41Z
Denuvo does polymorphic code, not more than a couple instructions are ever decrypted and no piece of code shares encryption keys
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 17:02:02Z
tsf_huh
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So it tanks performance
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:02:28Z
yes
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Learath2 2020-12-23 17:02:30Z
VMProtect “lifts” the assembly into a VERY obscure bytecode and Interprets that
17:02
Both awful for performance yes
17:03
Ubisoft used both for a couple games
17:03
Imagine how good triple A games would run without drm
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:03:21Z
games tend to go into a GPU bound anyway
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Learath2 2020-12-23 17:03:44Z
Now that I think about it, if cyberpunk2077 is so awful now, how awful would it be with drm lol
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:03:53Z
TRUE
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xD
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Learath2 2020-12-23 17:04:28Z
It just goes to show how much proprietary work rockstar games has on open worlds that their games run so smooth
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Even with maybe a hundred ai agents on the screen at the same time
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Btw, if you are interested in the drm stuff, I think heinrich once posted a blog post about devirtualizing this kind of code and it was a brilliant idea
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:06:25Z
the sad part about it, is that the games are then for 5€ in sale 2 years later
17:06
but still have this annoying DRM
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Learath2 2020-12-23 17:06:49Z
Writing the vm “instructions” in terms of c++ code and letting clang have at it to get the real assembly
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but still have this annoying DRM
Learath2 2020-12-23 17:07:23Z
I like that some developers just remove it when the game gets cracked
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 17:07:46Z
Two point hospital got a day one patch of removing denuvo
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:07:59Z
well i worked with a packer, it was broken at some point, but still unpacked some stuff, after a memory dump was taken (edited)
17:08
they often have more layers, e.g. encprytions are more aggressivly packed etc
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 17:08:52Z
I'll stick with high level development 😃
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:09:20Z
i also wouldnt say that has something todo with development directly
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Learath2 2020-12-23 17:09:23Z
Reverse engineering is quite fun, I wish there was a career to be had in that field
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:09:25Z
u get good in reading assembler
17:09
well do bug finding xd
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 17:09:49Z
cirBlech
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Learath2 2020-12-23 17:10:27Z
Your only options with that skillset is hunting bugs (not consistent income), do security analysis for companies (how many need this like 10 large corps?), work at an antivirus company
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 17:10:57Z
cirBlech I have the exact skillset to stay at home
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realsmiley
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deen 2020-12-23 17:11:11Z
We keep inviting the same security analysis people repeatedly for different projects at our company, so it's not like a large company will just hire you once
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Learath2 2020-12-23 17:11:12Z
Oh and if you are one of the lucky 0.1% of security ppl you get to do very fun crowdfunded projects
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:12:10Z
@deen what is ur working field? project manager? 😄
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Learath2 2020-12-23 17:13:24Z
Ooh one more just came to mind, you could work at an intelligence agency. I think that would be your best bet to get work doing reverse engineering
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:13:42Z
compiler dev xd
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deen 2020-12-23 17:13:58Z
@Deleted User At DDNet or at work? 😄
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:14:03Z
at work ofc xD
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in ddnet u are project leader, babysitter for the community, event planner, and so on xd (edited)
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deen 2020-12-23 17:17:07Z
I'm the Quality guy, so writing tools to help developers & management, find bugs, use and extend automated tools. And then I often have to go through the output of the tools and fix things all over. But I also recently started mentoring students and new hires.
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 17:17:37Z
It amazes me how many thing deen does for DDNet while still having a day job to give energy to.
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Learath2 2020-12-23 17:17:37Z
Devops?
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:18:06Z
@TsFreddie yes its crazy
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i like to think, in my brain, not outside of it xd
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NeXus 2020-12-23 17:19:20Z
Is there a way to open 2 ddnet clients on steam?
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:19:36Z
i think steam doesnt allow that generally
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NeXus 2020-12-23 17:19:57Z
Yeah I think so too
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TsFreddie 2020-12-23 17:20:42Z
I just think about making games during the day and get distracted by teeworlds for 10 hours.
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deen 2020-12-23 17:21:10Z
So that's where I get some good ideas like using clang-tidy or thread safety analysis 😄
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:23:09Z
that doesnt explain ur unbroken motivation
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2020-12-23 17:44:13Z
@NeXus help me collect votes for the double dummy in ddnet client no need for 2 clients :)
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2 pairs of tees that can be toggled easily and even be on different servers :)
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@Deleted User i feel like a dayjob can boost motivation sometimes. Generally having something todo in life makes days longer even if you have less time. Its way harder to write some ddnet code in the free time if u spent the whole day watching netflix. Its easier if you survived a productive work day.
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 17:49:29Z
i dunno if its about that tbh, i feel like only thing that boost you is motivation, and that is created by thinking about something good, e.g. throughfully planning something 😄
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atleast thats what i often do if im not really motivated, trying to completly implement it in my head so i know how to start 😄
17:50
and once u in, its easy to keep going
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jao 2020-12-23 17:55:42Z
most people want to chill after work
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2020-12-23 17:57:54Z
yea true
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but i still claim in some situations it can boost
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gerdoe 2020-12-23 18:25:42Z
can be text scaled in settings( looks like font codebase is hardcoded... give me a hope :) )? i want to feel 0.5 font
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Learath2
Anyway, with C++20 we have a lot of standard stuff
Ryozuki 2020-12-23 18:26:34Z
c++20 is cool and all but it wont be used till 2025 or later
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ppl arent even using c++11
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pepe_straight
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Learath2 2020-12-23 18:27:13Z
11 is used enough
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Ryozuki 2020-12-23 18:27:59Z
deen teacher 😮
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Learath2 2020-12-23 18:28:08Z
Teeworlds is the odd one out
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Ryozuki 2020-12-23 18:30:23Z
https://thenextweb.com/google/2019/06/14/youtube-recommendations-toxic-algorithm-google-ai/
‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the alg...
Google is notoriously cryptic about how YouTube's recommendations work, that's why Guillaume Chaslot is fighting for increased transparency
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‘YouTube recommendations are toxic,’ says dev who worked on the algorithm
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monkalaugh
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“It isn’t inherently awful that YouTube uses AI to recommend video for you, because if the AI is well tuned it can help you get what you want. This would be amazing,” Chaslot told TNW. “But the problem is that the AI isn’t built to help you get what you want — it’s built to get you addicted to YouTube. Recommendations were designed to waste your time.”
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gerdoe
can be text scaled in settings( looks like font codebase is hardcoded... give me a hope :) )? i want to feel 0.5 font
Deleted User 2020-12-23 18:31:16Z
just do it int the code
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gerdoe 2020-12-23 18:31:41Z
i tried before
18:31
some texts don't scale
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Дядя Женя 2020-12-23 18:32:12Z
probably need to do something with kick voting, because it's kinda impossible to vote ban blocker on the server... Facing this problem quite often
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gerdoe 2020-12-23 18:32:18Z
and another are becoming strange
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Дядя Женя 2020-12-23 18:35:15Z
@deen I think kicking problem applies to servers with lots of players, so maybe check for player amount on the server and ask for lower percentage for spec/kick votes?
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deen 2020-12-23 18:35:30Z
the problem can also go in the other direction, where people get kicked too easily
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we used to do exactly what you propose
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Дядя Женя 2020-12-23 18:35:54Z
Bad
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 18:35:54Z
@gerdoe u can also increase the fontsize when the text cursor is created in text.cpp
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Дядя Женя 2020-12-23 18:37:27Z
@deen solution is probably not that easy, needed to pick right players who can vote for that particular ban...
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Nearby players seems right way here...
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@gerdoe u can also increase the fontsize when the text cursor is created in text.cpp
gerdoe 2020-12-23 18:38:23Z
maybe, i don't remember properly, i had done it (edited)
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Дядя Женя 2020-12-23 18:38:49Z
But it's not really the solution
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Deleted User 2020-12-23 18:38:51Z
mhh strange, i think all text uses these cursors
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louis 2020-12-23 18:42:14Z
good old fashioned solution is to block the blocker :p
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Дядя Женя 2020-12-23 18:54:23Z
yes, but it was kinda hard
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YupHio 2020-12-23 18:57:21Z
Have a globally distributed team of more moderators. That way there is a higher likelihood of someone being in-game to kick people when needed.
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More mods, more power, everyone kicking each other. What could go wrong?
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Learath2 2020-12-23 19:51:49Z
"it’s built to get you addicted to YouTube. Recommendations were designed to waste your time" I completely agree
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[quakenet] ChillerDragon BOT 2020-12-23 20:02:13Z
Recommendations were designed to optimize watchtime. Time waste might be a correlation or a possible side effect.
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Learath2 2020-12-23 20:56:16Z
Optimizing watchtime is the marketing friendly analogy for "getting people addicted"
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