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Between 2020-12-18 00:00:00Z and 2020-12-19 00:00:00Z

mad lads

louis

anyone know why my sound files will not play if i replace it?

anyone have a definitive answer to this?

the new CLineInput is so good

colemak

exposed

Does anybody understand how teehistorian INTs are saved?

05:38

There is a wierd things going on and I'm still not able to read the data. Only header works well, then goes TickSkip, which is read correctly for me and then it's just random bytes

@louis try this

hook_attach-01-fixed.wv

6.21 KB

05:40

if that works, try ffmpeg -i your_input.whatever -ar 48000 -ac 1 -sample_fmt s16p hook_attach-01-fixed.wv to convert from any audio format

05:41

@Дядя Женя what have you tried? there's source code to decode ints in ddnet, in the teehistorian lib or there's docs here: https://wiki.ddnet.tw/encodings/int/

Int :: DDNet Wiki

05:42

did you now also "waste" a day not using the library? I guess the library would have done that for you

I've tried to copy unpack method from source code

05:42

it seems to work but return weird values sometime

not every value in the teehistorian is encoded as a tw int

does it really work with bits instead of bytes

heinrich5991

not every value in the teehistorian is encoded as a tw int

oh cmoooooon...

https://wiki.ddnet.tw/encodings/teehistorian/

Teehistorian :: DDNet Wiki

thanks

ye it works heinrich

05:48

ill test the command out later tho

@TsFreddie do you have an estimate how easy it would be to port this to ddnet?

the ime part is easy

which OS btw?

both windows and mac are tested (by me)

nice

the textselection (made by robyt3) might be tricky

07:17

the new CLineInput with text selection depends on the new CTextRender. so to just "port" it, we might need to nuke the current text.cpp.

is the new CTextRender also better than ours?

i actually don't know. probably not since it doesn't use hashmap but that's easily solvable i guess.

we use a hashmap for caching?

feature wise it is probably better

07:19

i think so.

07:20

i think we should ask @Deleted User whether he can port some of the methods of CTextRender because I actually have no idea how ddnet's text.cpp works.

07:21

mainly a way to count glyphs quads and return a coordinate. TextWidth() might run into problems with multi-line and stuff.

we dont cache anything

07:24

we use text containers

07:24

we buffer basically

i mean the glyph finding part

a, well its a map

07:25

with the character as key

07:25

so not really a hash

std::map? that's a rbtree IIRC

i see

yeah

still better than vanilla tho

07:26

vanilla need O(n) to insert a new glyph

bcs vanilla blocks STL

i know

and reimplementing everything is annoying xD

but still that's solvable if we want to port it

07:27

is every text in ddnet text container now?

no

07:28

i started implementing buffered text streams tho

what's that?

e.g. the server browser is pretty fast now(in text part)

can you get quads data out of a dynamic cursor

it just checks if the string requires to be recreated

07:29

which is still faster than creating it every frame

07:29

ddnet has text cursor and selction support visually

07:29

its just outdated and would require some removale of code dublication

oh so we have text selection already?

well only visual support

07:29

nobody did the simulation part xD

i don't get it.

07:30

so you can see the selection but not replacing or copy them?

SetTextContainerSelection

07:30

u can do this

07:30

and have the selection

07:30

but as said its outdated, and since nobody did the sim part its also dead code

well i guess TextContainer is really different from our TextCursor

the easiest would be to work with ints

07:31

not with UTF8

we already did

ah ok

07:32

it doesnt matter for TW anyway

07:32

since we dont have 100000 lines or smth

07:33

ddnet text rendering is really designed for modern GL

07:33

(in mind)

saddog

well i guess I can redo ime support and text selection instead of porting it

yeah sry, ddnet got a bit away from vanilla, before u did something vanilla was really far behind

07:35

so always keeping the backward compability is too much pain

07:35

u and rybte

tee_thinking

maybe making everything a text container can helnp

yes

07:36

i'd just need to use the text stream a bit more, and then we can drop textex

07:36

just create textcontainer, render it, delete it

sure i'll wait

for the rest text, which isnt performance relevant then

07:37

i did not really plan todo this anytime soon, working with text is always annoying xD

07:37

one language wants this, the other that

can you just do these for me so you have something else to do lol

@Deleted User do you think using tw code and readding our containers or porting tw stuff to our code base is easier?

i dunno, i tw doesnt use quad containers either

07:38

so we'd need to recreate alot

what does quad containers do

buffering quads

we buffer quads

does it mean saving some information about quads between frames to ease working with the graphics card?

i mean for openGL

oh

lets just say GPU buffering

07:39

less confusing

redix was doing vbo is that the same?

I still don't know what that means

07:40

@Deleted User can you try to ELI5? ^^

a dedicated GPU has VRAM

07:40

VRAM is alot faster in accesing than e.g. system memory, but slower in creating etc, and also requires less bus activity

07:40

so optimal for GPUs

so buffering quads means uploading stuff to the GPU and reusing it in the next frame

yes

what information about the quad is stored in the GPU?

the vertices

textures are already uploaded, before this, right?

position, texture coordiinates color

oh, and this creates a win big enough to justify the added complexity?

07:42

I'd have thought that there aren't many quads (edited)

well open the ingame chat with GL 3.3 vs 3.0

07:42

the difference is insane

ah

07:42

text is using quads

07:42

I see

well it buffers quads yeah

I don't know what quads are ^^

vertices that are rendered as quads to be precise

I thought it's the stuff in maps

07:43

@Deleted User sorry for my ignorance, I'm not trying to diminish your work, I'm just really ignorant about graphics so far

im fine, im not against the vanilla stuff in general, i just dont want to loose performance xD

yes, I agree with that

the easiest would be if vanilla gets more open to VBOs(buffer objects)

@Deleted User if I decide to work on this, would you lend me a hand and answer questions about graphics stuff? ^^

07:45

I think I'd be overwhelmed without

sure

redix was doing some vbo stuff, but he isn't available this year sadly.

❤️

07:45

this year?

07:45

you mean 2020 or 2021?

2020

so you want to port the vanilla thing?

iirc

afk, food

@TsFreddie why does the IME even differ so hard?

07:46

cant u just call something like TextEx( ?

not hard. just i need to reimplement some of the textrender feature under your code which might take me a while

what for example?

07:47

also simulation? or just rendering=

idk what you mean simulation.

anything that is on the CPU and not related to Visualization

modifying a text buffer along with string?

well that is outside the text class isnt it?

07:48

i'd imagine these things pretty modular tbh

probably

SDL sends input, your class wraps it

07:48

renders stuff

07:48

something like this

mine is done in CLineInput which is robyt3's active PR, which calls CTextRender's CaretPosition and CTextCursor's BoundingBox

ah i see

07:50

u did it like that

well i need to read text.cpp first to tell whether i can just add something, maybe it is simple enough

07:51

reading might be the hard part tho

is vanilla text rendering descender, ascender aware?

not really, boundingbox has a extended bottom and that's it.

ok

07:53

@heinrich5991 well its not so easy tbh, i invested quite a bit time to make text pretty deterministic by reading the whole freetype stuff e.g. for vertical alignment

07:53

maybe its indeed easier to just add bounding boxes to our code

07:54

when creating the quads

how do you do proper vertical alignment

07:55

if I bound text with descender and ascender middle text gets wonky between different languages

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i've read that already

i used this and used the stuff that is useful

i've used everything in this pic besides xM** i think

07:57

but i guess maintaining pixel perfect ruined a lot of things

i see, well with the aascender u can make text (especially latin text) align correctly

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hold

07:58

by vertical alignment do you mean layout or just characters

it supports vertical alignment too, but since text isnt reliably the same size it only makes sense for e.g. the icon font

07:59

but i mean the layout of the quads in this case

it is fine in vanilla i think

08:01

like these?

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08:02

speaking of icon font. where was the svg2ttf thing Learath2 was talking about.

why not just using ttf directly?

so we can have a custom dedicated icon font designed by us plus we can keep the glyphs source in repo

ah i see, why not just use SVGs then? xd

so you can just call the text layout engine to do stuff for you?

08:05

all the hard parts are done already aren't they

08:05

08:05

still sounds overcompicated to maintain

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

b68a0ad Add Akari & Fera as FNG mods - def-

svg2ttf should be a python script that builds ttf file in build time

googles icon font is good enough, looks like the average android phone xddd

not loading svgs in game lol

ok seems like the textrenderer is simpler than i thought

08:08

i guess vanilla really improved lately

it is as stupid as i can make it

08:11

oh right i think TextDeferred can be changed a bit to be a drop in replacement for TextEx, I rewrote the text layout engine to be greedy which should be faster.

so its more about design question if heinrich wants todo it anyway

08:12

binary packing vs skyline and increasing font textures vs static

emm

08:12

atlas is skyline packed

didnt u use binary packing?

we use binary search for finding stored glyphs in an sorted array which is the only binary thing we have.

i meant on the texture itself

unless i'm stupid and reference the wrong algorithm in atlas

not the data structure

08:14

finding glyph space

the texture is supposely skyline packed

ok

ye that

08:14

just we section our texture to have different parts that can be dropped

so as soon as the skyline is full u recreate one "page"?

yes

well there definitelly is some potential overheat then

so we have 16 skylines texture

e.g. if it recreates often used characters

we drop the page with the least character shown on last frame

ok

but i mean. the texture part is probably replaceable

btw vanilla doesnt disable texture compression for alpha textures

08:17

i'd really suggest creating an issue for that

08:17

else u get graphic glitches on GPUs that do lossy compression

like red spots flashing everywhere?

08:18

was happening with my intel laptop before. but i think that might just be me lol.

https://i.imgur.com/Xspp5kC.png

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08:19

in my personal opinion, texture compression that isnt lossless is stupid anyway

08:20

i'd be in favour of removing texture compression completly

08:20

tho i only deprecated it in ddnet

lol

if ur pc cant run tw, maybe u should accept that its old xdc

texture compression is not lossless?! ouch

well else it wouldnt give performance increase for GPUs (edited)

08:21

the whole idea is to lower memory bandwidth

08:21

and GPU cores arent strong enough to uncompress it on fly

@TsFreddie have u benchmarked a atlas drop?

08:31

does it just zero the page?

zero the page and increment a counter, and every cached CTextCursor will try to update their quads next frame.

ok

08:33

and u use 2048 texture size?

08:33

guess windows VM isnt supported then anymore xd

08:33

but u can just use mesa software renderer anyway

08:33

its better anyway

the performance does burn to the ground when there is a drop each frame, but i only created it with 256 texture

08:34

and we do use 2048 texture now

i just fear a bit the frame drops, but maybe im too pessimistic

08:34

alpha textures are quite cheap compared to RGBA (4 times as less obv.)

08:35

so increasing it doesnt really increase rendering time

08:36

4096x4096 can already hold nearly all chars inside the fonts and thats only a 2048x2048 RGBA texture

but ur IME thing looks really good, so we need it xd

lol

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is that with texture compression?

no

08:39

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oh xd

just tried to tank the textrender

08:41

it happens when there are glyphs missing even after one refresh. (since pages are allowed to drop during quad refresh)

ah yeah

can't really reproduce it in 2048 texture tho.

thats also something that wouldn happen on ddnet ever

08:41

yeah

08:41

realistically it cant happen

08:42

it would require rendering alot of different characters in one frame

i also logged it when it happens, so it is easier to tell if it is my fault in the future

imagine the whole world would just use 26 characters

08:44

all problems of the computer world solved

08:44

uint8_t is enough for everything XD

08:44

smaller textures

btw should we stop google from indexing irclogs

am i a culture hater for the google bot now? xd

idk

08:45

sometime i search some stuff ddnet related irclogs pops up.

oh xD

don't know if it is bad tho

i thought u fear being profiled by it

i mean i did say kill all asians twice (including this one)

xD

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If i change colour of "friend messages" it only changes the heart colour not the actual text they are writing, just me or bug?

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apearently only used for the heart

looks like either the example below is wrong or the chat is wrong

just open an issue

09:24

yeah cant tell either

09:24

if it worked before it was probs removed by accident (edited)

i've never seen any pink text before.

nice, no more graphic glitches with zink, and already over 2k fps

hope someone compiles it on windows some day

09:33

then we can use vulkan for broken opengl drivers

pog

or GL on DX12, but sadly didnt see any performance benchmarks yet

09:36

dunno if micrsoft just plans to make their ubuntu subsystem work, or actually performant

AoC was easy with Crystal and redefining existing operators that happen to have the precedence I want. Would've been easier to just change the precedence, but not sure if I still have a language left that allows that. Int32 as default type was the most annoying part: https://github.com/def-/adventofcode-2020/blob/master/day18.cr

09:40

And of course there is no eval in Crystal, so had to use sed for my "metaprogramming"

Sitting in a uni meeting since one hour watching my windows using group members trying to get their IDE to compile the project. Meanwhile on my linux ./gradlew build

Isn't it an online meeting? Just do something more productive at the same time?

twinbop

Yep working on aoc :D

@deen do you have some automated localization strings search to clear them? Because I often want to rename something, but always afraid of losing localization for it and leaving extra localization string unused. In #questions there is a good point now that we should rename "Friend message" in settings, because it's not really means message (edited)

yes, see scripts/languages/

10:02

it's also used in the github ci

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3417 Notify about vote when authed

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[x] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addresssanitizer--u...

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #3072 e84d3a2 introduces performance problems and graphics tearing on my toaster

When you are in free cam spec, tab out of the game and tab in again, your cam jumps to a random place

12:59

Is this a known issue?

did you move your mouse while tabbing out and in? (edited)

i move my mouse to my second monitor yes

it doesnt happen to me at all

ah I see it applies the movement I do with my mouse outside of the game

13:01

my screen doesnt move when I dont move the mouse and just tab out with hotkeys

maybe it has something to do with windowed/fullscreen mode or whatever

probably, I dont play in fullscreen

happens to me as well. Extremely annoying

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I'll take a look at the source code now, see if I can easy fix this

I see a problem, but don't know how to fix it without ugly shit code

Fixed @NeXus

13:49

thx for motivating me by pointing out I'm not the only one getting annoyed by this shit

you can prevent this by pressing f1 first

13:50

then alt tab

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3418 Fixed mouse jumping after losing focus

Extremely annoying bug fixed when you alt+tab from the game in SPEC mode, then open game window again and your screen was teleporting to somewhere nearby your position. Eventually fixes some other issues with relative mouse mode.

how's the new hud planned to work? is something like this good?

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can we change position where those are

louis

can we change position where those are

I'm planning an insane feature of fully customizable ingame hud

@Ravie yes, looks great to me

14:14

I'm not a designer, so hard for me to imagine what would look good, so I didn't want to suggest something

it might be better to have icons appear/disappear based on what you have but then some icons are harder to make, I'll need to think about it

14:15

mostly I can't think of a good way to cross out hammer off or player hooking off without making it cluttered and weird

for me they will appear only when active

14:18

so "No hammer" icon if you can't hammer

14:18

if can - nothing appears

14:18

same for all

yeah that's what I'd prefer also because including tele guns there would be a lot of possible icons

yes, there are some of tele icons

14:20

you may consider using the same style for all of them changing only the gun

what about the switch weapon off options?

14:21

like "you cant hit anyone with grenade"

does anyone even use this?

is that a tile or tune zone?

i dont think so

14:21

its a tile

it's a setting on hammer-off tile I think

yea u use the switch hammer tile and its like the delay on it or whatever

what about generated icons then?

14:24

like layered for such shit

14:25

background > NoHit > Item

no hit is already one of the trickier icons

its an example

nobot

make it like this but with a hammer

or any other weapon

and the tee icon on that means "others"

also thetile itself already looks like that

so Im talking about that. We can generate it layered if there are a lot of options needed to be shown

14:31

@Ravie could you also make a "slider" for freeze timer that we will use instead of shields?

14:31

as we're working on the top left side of the UI anyway

Дядя Женя

@Ravie could you also make a "slider" for freeze timer that we will use instead of shields?

its already in the new gameskin

14:31

its in 0.7

or alittle clock to save space

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we don't have it in our version

update ddnet

@Дядя Женя yeah I already thought about using 3 ilttle snowflakes to display it but if you wanna code a slider that's even better

oh we do ok

I guess this is the only way, I'm not really a fan but only this will work on other weapons

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but slider is not working anyway

14:33

default hammer looks like shit

14:33

btw I can use the gameskin one xD

14:34

u ok?

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u can just scale the ones from gameskin but it will probably look bad

yes I think

u can do it for the weapon display cause those will be bigger

never scale something to make an icon...

14:35

@Ravie will you make a... I don't know the english word for that... Like preview of this area?

mockup? ye for sure

yes, that's the word

14:36

so we can see and even discuss how it will finally look like

14:37

@deen let me catch you while you're here and ask where do you have a player's Character object (which contains all the info about hook time, endless jumps etc.) on client side. Can't find it, only the m_PredictedChar what, I assume, is predicted and may not work without "antiping"? (edited)

also there's a "you can jump x times", do we layer a text number over a jump icon?

if you'll figure out how to show this then we can

14:39

otherwise I would just... skip this one

14:40

@Ravie keep in mind that this thing is more likely to be pixelated because of TW scaling

Дядя Женя

@deen let me catch you while you're here and ask where do you have a player's Character object (which contains all the info about hook time, endless jumps etc.) on client side. Can't find it, only the m_PredictedChar what, I assume, is predicted and may not work without "antiping"? (edited)

The ddnet character is a part of the snap, it should have those

this is my best idea for now

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may work

might look bad with long numbers tho, it can go up to 255 xD

never used

14:41

this icon should support infinity sign in it

14:42

or I mean some extra icon for infinity jumps

yeah I was about to say we can just put a number in the corner or infinity

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NeXus

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First one should be louis, the result should be nouis. Overall I rate ur meme 2/10

at least he put in effort and matched up the transparency squares xd

oh yeah you are right

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Ravie

at least he put in effort and matched up the transparency squares xd

Im Photoshop pro Kappa

Kappa

@Дядя Женя alternatively the infinity one can 2 arrows like in entities

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@Ravie I don't think these icons will be big enough to see such small numbers

there are such numbers on switches in entities

I barely see them if rly

14:53

We need something more user friendly

I can also just make a good infinite jumps icon and not worry about this one (at least for now)

Well if we only had to support a reasonable number of jumps we could have something like the shield display to display the djs we have

14:55

That would be very intuitive

too much screen space

For 255, sure. For 10 jumps it's not much space at all

normally it would be only one DJ icon which on its own might be useful anyway

14:56

you'd also know when you have dj other than feet color

feet color for DJ is awesome and more then enough

yeah but just as a side effect

mb

Dj counts over 10 is also very uncommon, we could indeed try a dj bar

it could simply not show more past 10

It could have a number next to it or we could start putting them closer together as they increase

14:59

With some overlap it should look decent all the way up to 20-25 dj. After that it'd start to look bad

15:00

For dummy I was thinking a small region only for dummy features that only gets shown when the dummy is connected

15:00

And we could use your own dummy skin as an icon for "dummy"

designing icons for dummy features monkaS

monkaS

@Ravie add a deepfly-ON icon as well

15:51

I mean for map setting

15:52

if it's possible to deep-fly

I don't think that's needed and it's impossible to design xd

ok, not the primary thing right now

15:56

do you have something already as a mockup?

I was making a few of the basic icons, I can throw it over a screenshot and add weapons just give me a minute

@Дядя Женя if your screen is 1920x1080 you can open in paint and press f11 to see 1:1

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16:06

haven't thought much about layout but I'm open to suggestions

I thought about weapons on the first row

16:08

Do the hammer and pistol as well

16:08

For other gamemods (fuck them btw) and to see what you're holding right now in the freeze

16:08

So all the weapons will be slightly transparent except for one choosen

but you always have hammer and there's an icon when it's off :x

It's weapon hammer

16:09

Not "hit allowed"

16:09

There is no "hit allowed" icon

I'd try to keep it as minimal as possible and only display weapons that you can pick up and when you have them

16:10

if you have gun or hammer in hand then all "special" weapons can be transparent

No no

16:10

the idea here is to see what you're holding now

16:11

I'll try to make weapons working now...

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16:12

that's getting cluttered really fast

did u understand when I said "Row"

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lol

16:13

well kinda this

but now seriously

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not the 90 degrees ofc

_ _ _ _ _ would look stupid (edited)

I like only showing weapons that can be picked up

2

yes it will

vertical like this looks like they're on a weapon rack or something

Opinion: I don't love the vertical layout. I think a horizontal layout with the same footprint as the default health bar might look nice.

2

yes

Default:

16:46

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16:46

Basic mock up for horizontal layout:

16:46

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16:46

plus a couple extra items, but all in the footprint of the original health bar

oh no I don't like the grid thing

hmmm, guess they could all 4 just be in a line (edited)

it's be best to just display shotgun/grenade/laser if you have them

I am already making the best one

16:47

wait for it...

3 guns in a line, then maybe a couple small icons for status like infinite hook/jump?

16:48

the simplest/minimum viable solution will probably look the slickest

Like this:

16:57

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16:59

I've done it... almost.... But in-game already

17:00

so some spacing fixes and some scaling for big weapons and we're done

17:00

showing only weapons you have, transparenting all that you're not holding in hands

17:00

meaning that there will be always hammer + pistol. Rarely third

17:00

super rarely 4 or all five

17:01

Never 6

hammer & pistol don't need to be shown I think. pistol is only interesting when you have jetpack

why not as hotbar

17:07

and showing the active weapon too xd

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17:15

Need to learn some math to align it properly

17:15

but you got the idea

Deleted User

why not as hotbar

it IS a hotbar

17:16

but it will not show weapons you don't have

I also had the diagonal idea but thought it'd be extra work to code and not worth it

17:19

but still should only display sg+nade+laser

it always worth it when it's cooooool

true xd

Ravie

but still should only display sg+nade+laser

every weapon you have at the moment + highlight the weapon you're holding

17:20

too useful for in-freeze weapon picking

17:20

because I always wonder what am I holding right now

gun is never useful xd

IT IS

ninja is also obvious when you have it

How would you scream in deep freeze!?

@Ravie pistol is the most op gun in the game

yes you can shoot very very fast

no people use it to aim with

and SPIN!

17:21

and Scream in deep

if you go on gores srv you never see someone with a hammer xD

you can scream with any weapon

can you spin hammer>

17:21

?

Ravie

you can scream with any weapon

no, u can't with hammer

cause deepfly off?

yes

well ok but still you don't need to display it xd

17:22

weapons in freeze are whatever, you can press hotkeys

17:22

also I had a cool idea to display weapon in freeze with the cursor but I guess nobody cared

hotkeys for noobs

17:22

and you never know what hotkeys your dummy using

17:23

cool idea I may consider doing it in 30 mins

u can def freeze cry with hammer

17:23

can u not

u can

17:24

in gores u use hammer often

17:24

for saving

Aoe

if you go on gores srv you never see someone with a hammer xD

some ppl do lol

kogsux

good players will use pistol all the time and only use hammer to unfreeze

insane gores is about peripheric view anyway

jawsh is best gores and uses hammer

u dont really need the weapon

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

095727e Fixed mouse jumping - Banana090 9720f85 Merge #3418 - bors[bot]

17:48

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #3418 Fixed mouse jumping after losing focus

changing cursor in freeze turns out to be much harder task then it looks

17:52

because here we go again, deeply into shit code where nobody knows what weapon you're holding right now

Sounds like a candidate for the ddnet character net obj

no thx

17:53

it's stored on client side, but in some shitty way

Nope, the client doesn't know which weapon it has

so you can't really easily access it. Well... You can... But the data is not guaranteed to be correct

17:54

there is a "wanted weapon"

Not, if the server sends "ninja" because he is freezed

yes.

17:55

thats the problem here

Wanted could be a weapon the tee doesn't have

seems it couldn't

17:55

but... It should be...

Sure you can set your wanted weapon to anything by using the number keys 1,2,..

Ok, nvm, will come back at it later. I guess even after HUD is done

timakro

Nope, the client doesn't know which weapon it has

u can definitly show the weapon

17:56

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/2307

add client capabilites and show weapon on freeze by edg-l · Pull Re...

cl_show_ninja 1 cl_ninja_particles 1 cl_show_ninja 0 cl_ninja_particles 1 cl_show_ninja 0 cl_ninja_particles 0 cl_show_ninja 1 cl_ninja_particles 0 With the feature disabled (cl_show_weapon_fre...

17:56

i made this time ago

17:56

but ppl didnt want it

mouse fix was merged and now I still have 5 things to work on. 6 actually, there is also anti-cheat teehistorian scanner, which is not part of the fork

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better only do one thing and make that good

and yes, there is a server-sided dummies

17:57

and I think I'll go make some steps towards it now

Deleted User

better only do one thing and make that good

my updates are always excellent

hahahaha

17:58

u always make for a laugh in this chat

perfect

yeah they are perfect, but imagine u'd concentrate on only one

17:58

its post perfect

17:58

the next step

then there would be only 1 perfect update

the key to the universe

but here we have five excellent updates

17:59

you can't go better then perfect

17:59

but you can do more of the perfect, and that's what I'm doing exactly (edited)

@Ryozuki @Дядя Женя Nope, in the current version of the protocol you can't tell. That's why you had to touch the protocol in your PR here https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/2307/commits/1163fa16854c18912080989c9ac02110ca3427a5#diff-95a9207711f0fa572be4148ea6239216afd4ff86cfbb4e8510463ad21bba2f12R30

lovely embeds

18:00

yeah true

18:01

well i wanted to say i meant its possible

18:01

my bad

it hurts to make new net objects

18:01

why is it even on some python

18:02

not supporting even arrays wtf (edited)

lol its actually pretty darn easy

@Дядя Женя You could actually cherry pick that from @Ryozukis commit, there was no criticism of the protocol changes below that PR

ugh

18:03

he once said i dont know how to code

18:03

so he should obviously not use it

Key is to come up with a good UI which will be good for most players, adding a way to turn it back off and not introducing too many config settings on the way

Is there a way to do nested binding of keys? for example: bind 1 "+weapon1; bind q "+weapon2; exec quickswitch/toggles/gun_hammer.cfg"" doesnt seem to work as intended

bind 1 exec file.cfg

file.cfg:
weapon1; 
bind q "+weapon2; exec quickswitch/toggles/gun_hammer.cfg"

(edited)

oof thats gonna make a lot more files

cool, isn't it?

trying to implement quickswitch like in csgo/tf2

@timakro the client knows which weapons it has on ddnet servers

Ok, must be new then

@heinrich5991 i think it doesnt know what weapon it holds when its frozen tho

18:21

since the server tells its frozen by telling ninja weapon

18:21

currently

it can assume

I guess that could be done at the same time

Ok, we have around 220+ errors after attempt of unbinding Characters from players for serverside dummies

we just dont use ddnet network char freeze status due to not all clients having this

18:22

thats why my pr added capabilities stuff

I think we decided to base that on the client's version number

18:23

so you'd do >= VERSION instead

i dont htink it was that clear

18:23

but anyway the pr was closed cuz ppl didnt like to show weapons

@deen I'm unbinding characters from players on ddnet server side. How should serverside dummies behave when something is asking for their ID

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18:24

sadSnail

can we please discuss serverside dummies

whats the motivation?

I need to know as much as possible to make it correct

timakro

whats the motivation?

there are a lot of mappers waiting for serverside dummies

18:25

also, it is real shit that every character is bound to player

18:25

shouldn't be so

why not

18:25

its only logical

wdym by serverside dummies then

also, I would like (maybe) to make some scriptable AI's for maps

and i onloy know 1 ppl wanting this and its im corneum

I guess a benefit is that sixup can play dummy maps

timakro

wdym by serverside dummies then

that's the character controlled by server

18:26

basically, for now, it just stands still. Like AFK player

Ryozuki

its only logical

it's true that every player has a character, but that every character has a player is wrong

no its not, because it didnt make sense before

I know it sounds strange to you cuz you're not familiar with logic, but anyway

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nvm

omg

18:28

fck off

Completely unrelated question, was there ever an incentive to make the ddnet client work on 0.7 servers?

stupid windows normie

18:28

that doesnt even know to link a fcking library

timakro

Completely unrelated question, was there ever an incentive to make the ddnet client work on 0.7 servers?

what do you mean? Do we need it? I think we don't

@heinrich5991 moderate this guy

18:29

he is obviously baiting me every time

Who would ever play any server except DDnet in TW

Just curious, seems like a logical step

18:30

Now that the server supports 0.7 clients

it is, but it's so much work to do

18:30

and for what...

@timakro no one has done it yet, it would probably be accepted if the code is not outright horrible

Hehe

18:30

You mean like my original code for the 0.7 client support

no comment

just huge waste of time leading to no profit for ddnet players

@Дядя Женя @Ryozuki hey, you guys both chill. I acknowledge that @Дядя Женя started, but continuing isn't okay either

it's better to make new ddnet features then struggle with 0.7 client side support

I'd actually like 0.7 support

why

@Learath2 hear this, u did a useless work!

because I like to play with more players

18:32

and 0.7 has players

i love how this guy can be unironically rude and shit on others work and get a free pass

18:33

xddd

fair. Then maybe it worth it

yes, that's not okay, and I already told @Дядя Женя before (I think yesterday)

answering some questions somebody might have: characters (which are tees) can be controlled not only by player, but also by server. Or even nobody

18:38

Maybe by some unnatural forces as well...

yes. but so far they couldn't, so the code doesn't assume that this might happen

and the current server architecture have a big mistake in it's root when assuming each character has a player and referencing it through the character

18:39

as well as not accepting the server as a player

everything that is not tested does not work

18:39

since nothing required the use of characters without players yet, it does not work

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(we also don't have tests that could ensure that, so there's that)

it worked, yes, just because there was no need of server-controlled characters or some others

yep, see above

it doesn't make a code good, it just worked 'till it could

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so, the time has come to fix this and open new possibilities

18:42

imagine RPG in teeworlds with some real NPCs lol xD

I think that exists

You didn't get it

18:43

I mean real NPC, with dialogue system and so on

https://discord.gg/yugwwn5

Invite to join a server

[MRPG] - Teeworlds

╭🌟welcome-information

18:44

yes, that exists

hah

18:44

cool

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

5c4e60e Add POL sponsorship by ScReeNy - def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #3410 Color picker

22:19

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3419 Only assign aOldName when we need it

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#using-addresssanitizer--u...

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #3420 Distance when zooming out not used for effects

like grenades or lasers. I think they should also be visible when zoomed out.

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #3421 play with zoom out

when we use zoom out become hard catch anything by hook because the mouse pointer become useless being very far and big so my suggest with every (zoom out) reduce where place the pointer can move and minimize the size by hussainx3 !zoom out

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