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I looked at the codes and they look the same

00:33

@deen

@Spyry you could try to replace "FillExtraInfo" in projectile.cpp with "FillInfo". also check if the tunings are the same

idk guys but

02:03

02:03

maybe do this space more usefull?

names can be rly long

murpii

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request opened: #107 add Zukita to NA staff

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[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request closed: #107 add Zukita to NA staff

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Spyry

https://i.imgur.com/aoRwokj.png

@Spyry it's most probably a 0.6 error as I had "shotgun split pellet" bug in tracker for months before fixing it. If I recall this correctly it was due to shotgun has 5 pellets but 2 edge ones are scattered differently. It's rather easily fixed, you should just make all pellets use same algorythm. Or reuse shotgun scatter routine from 0.7.

09:08

Though in my mod it was not so extreme. I've ported shotgun and some procedures from 0.7 from the start.

09:10

But in fact there were custom infClass procedures. I just didn't felt like using DDNet weapon routines as I already have too many custom weapons in game which altered behaviour.

@ComebackPlay we always have to make everything work in 5:4 resolutions too, not so much space there

@Spyry though 0.6 had not this bug in vanilla so @deen is right it's something broken (but easily fixed) in DDNet code.

@Spyry just take my code https://gist.github.com/pure-luck-999/6b991574a73b648750d24b130109bd4a

09:14

Maybe I've had a different problem as I've had only 1 of 7 pellets "split". As you see it was fixed by adding another coefficient to float Spreading[] and also checking ShotSpread and especially a += Spreading.... line.

Learath2

eh it's rather awful to work with ddnet as a mod base :/

Modding is rarely about cleanness of code anyway. And taking a well-alive teeworlds fork (which DDNet is) and not mostly stalled mainline teeworlds (which 0.7 is) one get many benefits. First of them is community and support, as I got "teeworlds is not for mods" too much in teeworlds discord. Second — vast library of functions to reuse. Much faster bugfixing. And the last (but not least) — excellent SixUp protocol heartw

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09:18

And I am not flattering. Thinking about developing or supporting compatibility layer of myself is intimidating.

09:19

And it is developed far better than I could in years.

@deen i think 80%(i think too much) ppl use 16:9, why just no update for they, simple info + friends or etc.but if have other(4:3). he just no will see. What u think? (edited)

@Spyry @becc it would be very nice if one/both of you could make something like devlog about problems you encounter using DDNet as a base for a mod. I'd collect and format this info to a tutorial/wiki later. Personally I just don't remember everything I've fixed while porting my mod to DDNet but some things could be important or hard especially for a beginner in tw/ddnet modding.

09:24

This could revive modding culture of teeworlds as there are no tutorials on using ddnet as a base. And nowadays I think ddnet should be used as a base at least for compatibility and player count if not for other benefits.

HMM

And I am still thinking about making a DDNet fork for mods which will include things that are not needed for DDRace: rounds, proper damage routines, scoring etc.

09:25

Though it's hard for me to separate infNext code from those general fixes now.

better revive original infection

09:25

Best mode

@ᶰ°Konͧsti how? I've revived inf* by making a new actively-developed mod. Official Infclass folks were trying to revive infClass for ages and failed. If you have ideas (and/or energy), feel free to propose/implement.

infclass was overdeveloped

09:27

it was good and fun and then made meh

09:27

unbalanced somehow

unbalanced in which way

Let's go some other channel/server, should we?

in favor of humans or zombs

And i felt annoyed when my account was deleted after 2 weeks not playing or whatever

09:28

getting frozen for hookcoll

09:29

Original infection on minecraftsafok was the best feelsamazingman

lmao

How do you guys read this channel? All messages and notifications? Do you scroll up until the last read message? Or do you read backwards like me lol?

we use discord because this is 2020

Deleted User

@noby have u exported your fng 0.7 map without a "data" directory

sry for spam @noby xd

i didnt see msg sry

10:36

uh

10:36

wat

its broken with 0.7 client bcs the map wasnt converted correctly

i dont use 0.7 and i dont know how to map

it replaces the external images with the 0.6 ones bcs 0.7 ones changed

other people have mapped this for me

u just need to run the tool with a data dir

whats broken about it? / how would it be fixed

else it cannot replace the images correctly

10:37

oh the doodads

10:38

gfx_high_detail 0

xDD

lol

10:38

will the tool increase map file size?

a bit yes

10:38

we have another tool to decrease it

10:39

but its not compiled in the client, its only compilable yourself

10:39

its called map_optimize

aw man i was hoping u were gonna fix it xd

i can fix ur 0.7 map if u want

10:40

do you want it as small as possible?

yes pls

10:40

and this will be not noticeable if u have gfx_high_detail 0?

not even with 1

nice

Deleted User

@Spyry @becc it would be very nice if one/both of you could make something like devlog about problems you encounter using DDNet as a base for a mod. I'd collect and format this info to a tutorial/wiki later. Personally I just don't remember everything I've fixed while porting my mod to DDNet but some things could be important or hard especially for a beginner in tw/ddnet modding.

Okay, sounds good

becc

Okay, sounds good

No need to go into details if you're not the kind of person which likes to write a lot. Just take records of obstacle you've stumbled upon. Just a list.

I will, however, I can't say when I will start ... maybe not in a few weeks, life is pretty stressful right now xd

11:51

What is the difference between Map Version 3 and 4?

11:51

v4 has uncompressed data sizes as well This only? And what exactly does that mean?

I have no idea what are map version 3 and 4 are. As far as I am aware it's 0.7 maps format which removed some necessary data for 0.6 to load it properly.

12:11

And as I know there is no way to simply know without loading which map file version you have. There are no tools for that. But I hope someone will correct me.

12:12

And also no tool to downgrade 0.7 map to 0.6 too.

so 0.6 and 0.7 are not compatibel ddnet is an upgrade of 0.6 0.6 and ddnet should be more ore less compatibel (on loading on different servers) The Map-Version (in 0.6 and ddnet) is the first 4byte sized integer after the DATA or ATAD signature

Are we still talking about maps now? (edited)

12:17

@becc which is the offset for map version? is it fixed?

12:17

It's wanted to be able to simply open map in hexeditor and instantly know if it for 0.6 or 0.7

https://i.imgur.com/RjrdYAx.png I mean this Version Here the selected value is a 4 -> version 4

hhh26459

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3349 Update italian.txt

@becc I see no difference in 0.6 and 0.7 maps. All them are v4

12:22

I think v3 is for 0.5

12:28

sorry for edit spamming (for those who are sensitive) (edited)

bors[bot]

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

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bors[bot]

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #3349 Update italian.txt

@Deleted User i think the first give-away that its a 0.6/0.7 map would be in the third item

You sent 4 Images? xd

the first element in the item_data is 1 for 0.6 maps and 2 for 0.7 maps

too bad this channel is linked to IRC and some people here are oversensitive to edits which bridge obviously does not support

however you will need to find the first item which isnt trivial

12:33

i use https://ide.kaitai.io/# for inspecting maps, with the extension https://github.com/heinrich5991/libtw2/blob/master/doc/datafile_v4.ksy

heinrich5991/libtw2

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Maybe we need another channel/server to discuss freely as here I am living in constant psychological pressure of waiting for "you are spam-editing our IRC-bridged" channel