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Between 2020-11-20 00:00:00Z and 2020-11-21 00:00:00Z

guys do you can make (workshop) on steam?

@Simon this only works if you choose a skin from https://ddnet.tw/skins

Ye i did. I downloaded one a put it into the skin folder to the others. Then i equipped it ingame and play with it. But others cant see it @deen

07:47

feelsbadman

Maybe you renamed it?

No

You don't need to manually download it. In client, just write the name in "Your skin" under Settings -> Tee

07:48

Do the other players use up-to-date DDNet client?

Ye

Are you online now? Then I can test

Wait gimme a min

07:49

Im online which server?

some ddnet one, I'll follow you (assuming your name is simon

No is sL|coffee

07:51

Is a kog ger # 1 server or something

07:51

Map is quick one

maybe because kog has such long cooldown between skin changes?

Thanks @deen may u be lucky with everything

07:53

No it works my friends ddnet is just retardee

ok

Image attachment

07:54

Ye is actually me

07:54

So

07:54

Idk

07:54

I guess

maybe they have a old client

07:55

or no access to ddnet.tw

is the download skin option turned on

@Deleted User ye i guess friends ddnet is an old one

07:55

Ye is turned on

he should just update

Ye

07:55

I guess

07:56

Or

07:56

He can try

07:56

To toast his ddnet

07:56

Maybe it workes

07:56

Well

07:56

Idk

@Deleted User any idea about textures disappearing with AMD GPUs? https://steamcommunity.com/app/412220/eventcomments/2988663148728603286/?tscn=1605792940

DDNet 15.2 released :: DDraceNetwork Events & Announcements

View full event information here: https://steamcommunity.com/ogg/412220/announcements/detail/2899717056089853638

i dont really understand why they try to say tbh

08:41

maybe they also have 1500 skins or smth

08:46

disappear sounds like, it got overwritten, which was the case in this update (edited)

ok, then nightly should help

did the finish line logic change?

10:19

we were 3 ppl in team, 2 finished then the 3rd went spec and we did not get the finish

no

10:25

By going spec, do you mean /spec or "Join Spectators"

join spectator

10:26

normally it should instantly finish the team

ok, weird

since both crossed the finish line

I think we only check the finish logic when you cross the finish line again

but that wasnt like this in the past

See OnCharacterFinish

10:27

it's only called on TILE_FINISH

10:27

I don't remember any changes to that in the last few years

10:29

Hm, we also do CheckTeamFinished in OnCharacterSpawn

10:30

So it should have worked if the player killed, but joining spec never worked from what I can tell

10:30

I guess the motivation was that a player can die

10:30

Oooh, I think I know what caused it

10:30

my change

10:31

in OnCharacterDeath we also check it, and I changed something there. You could check if that is the c ause

well it probs is

10:32

from feeling this always worked 1-2 years ago xd

cant believe i just spend half an hour explaining to someone about how to join a CHN server and change maps.

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3340 Fix vec_base constructors & remove useless operator

Interestingly besides it found unused variables, this also found some "logic" errors, where vectors were used in if.

Checklist

[ ] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[ ] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[ ] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[ ...

@TsFreddie make a step by step guide, so you dont need to do it again next time xD

nah, the guy cant read

11:20

dont wanna bother anymore

youtube video xD

ultrafastparrot

11:22

is 0 ping a known issue?

11:22

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sometimes when im lagging the server list shows like that

Thanks for releasing 15.2.3

Now I can tell my Steam players to update the client

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #2862 Local server ranks not working

@deen There is no entry in MD5 and SHA256 checksum files for latest release (15.2.3)

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #3341 Check finish of team after player joins spectators

Reported by Jupeyy

Checklist

[x] Tested the change ingame
[ ] Provided screenshots if it is a visual change
[ ] Tested in combination with possibly related configuration options
[ ] Written a unit test if it works standalone, system.c especially
[x] Considered possible null pointers and out of bounds array indexing
[x] Changed no physics that affect existing maps
[x] Tested the change with [ASan+UBSan or valgrind's memcheck](https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/#usi...

@Rafael Fontenelle thanks. that means I forgot to run the autoupdater script. doing so now

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Hello, could someone help me? I was wondering how I can code tile layers, I wanted to check other tiles besides the "Game" (where there are entities) (sorry bad english)

code?

@deen program in c++

I don't think I understand what you're trying to do

I'm making a teeworlds mod and wanted to know how I program tile layers

You can see how front and tele layers etc are implemented I guess

18:01

or you could just use one of them

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #3342 x264 not found, but installed

DDNet 15.2.3's build process does not find libx264 in Arch Linux, even though the package [x264] is installed (as dependency of [ffmpeg]). Not sure if there is any impact in the end result. It seems [FindFFMPEG.cmake line 9] checks only for libx264, resulting in the following build output:

-- Checking for module 'libx264'
Package 'libx264', required by 'virtual:world', not found

While the name 'libx264' is not valid in Arch Linux, 'x264' works perfectly: ``` $ pkg-conf...

@deen I've tried, but there are many things

@deen i think he bases on vanilla

What is the best Version to start building custom mods on? The newest DDNet Server, 0.6.5 TW or the newest TW? Is there a huge difference in plain server without mod between ddnet and 0.6.5 tw?

@becc According to @Deleted User who tried both, it's better to base the mod on DDNet-Server,

19:01

@becc 0.6.5 is only 16 players, ddnet is 64 and supports 0.6 clients and 0.7 clients

@becc deen is right. But please read this first and feel free to ask anything from me https://www.notion.so/influck/Choosing-the-right-teeworlds-server-version-read-it-FIRST-116e42c219c34171a8b680b3c2f9be89

19:03

I've wrote this to publish somewhere but don't know where. Because DDNet forums don't have MODS subforum and teeworlds team will not be happy if I will publish this comparison strongly biased towards DDNet codebase and community.

19:05

https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewforum.php?f=16&sid=721356284d6c18add1bd6ba36f079ba3 sounds like the right category

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Thanks deen & Pure_luck!

https://edgarluque.com/blog/intro-to-ddnet.html yoo

yoo

An intro to the DDraceNetwork game source code - Blog | Edgar Luque

Explaining where most of the stuff is located and what it does.

19:06

i should continue it

Thanks

19:09

May I ask you another question? What is the difference between 0.6 and 0.7 Maps? Because I found a map_convert_07.exe

They are not compatible. And beware as this is one-way road. You can convert 0.6 to 0.7 but not back 0.7 to 0.6. If you will choose DDNet codebase for your server you should use DDNet client to edit maps and save them in DDNet/0.6 format.

19:15

@becc what mod are you going to make?

ddnet got a custom format for maps or is it the same like tw 0.6.5?

It's mostly 0.6 with extensions.

Deleted User

@becc what mod are you going to make?

No plan yet, I just want to get the source known and trying around

The main difference are game layers. DDNet have more of them and even game layer use more tiles.

19:18

https://ddnet.tw/explain/?layer=game

19:19

Those layers are mostly telling the server what to do if a character is passes trough them. So this is not about client compatibility.

19:19

Though clients will use game tiles to predict server reaction too.

19:20

Anyway I hope saying "0.6" you mostly mean "0.6 or DDNet format". I think you could load DDNet map in teeworlds 0.6 server but there is no really reason to use 0.6 server.

19:21

They're mostly compatible if you will not use DDNet special tiles in your map like: freeze tiles, teleports, speedup, custom tuning layers (antigravity/water) etc. (edited)

19:22

And DDNet server will load 0.6 maps with absolultely no problems.

Deleted User

And DDNet server will load 0.6 maps with absolultely no problems.

but i can use less features with?

Yes, just I don't think you will start with DDNet code as a server and then you will switch to 0.6.

19:23

If you will choose DDNet codebase for your server you could use all DDNet features for your map and every client (0.6, 0.7 and DDNet) will "support" it as tiles are mostly for server logic.

19:24

If you will choose teeworlds 0.7 codebase you will just don't have DDNet features. And don't choose 0.6 teeworlds server as a base, there is no really reason to.

19:25

I have a map in infNext mod which uses DDNet tiles heavily (speedups, teleports, tune zones) and I play 0.7 client. And it works perfectly. Thanks to @Learath2 once you choose DDNet server you will have access to nice compatibility layer which make magic happen.

19:26

But I am mostly citing my guide which you should definitely read first

so, the best thing is probably to use ddnet as codebase for everything? and maps made with ddnet are best as well?

0.6 server/client is basically outdated and should not longer be used?

Yes. But if you want to make CTF/DM small modifications then you could start with 0.7, this is the only reason.

19:36

DDNet and teeworlds differs. I've ported 0.7-based infClass clone do DDNet and some things were lacking. There are not rounds, and DDNet is mostly not about killing but about racing and timing and just have more code you will need. Though it would be rather easy to add anything missing.

19:37

And still DDNet and 0.7 code, classes, internal logic for non-ddrace mod will be 95% the same.

19:38

If you just want to make CTF/DM mod with really slightly modification you could spend a day and it will be a CTF/DM with your changes. (edited)

19:38

Also you could join my server/mod to see what is possible regardless of codebase and to get feel of 0.6/0.7 compatibility.

19:39

My mod was a hell to port to DDNet, but that's not DDNet fault but my almost zero teeworlds/DDNet knowledge at all. I am ruby developer and had 0 C++ knowledge when I've started modding. It was just 4 months ago.

19:40

Well... my problems of porting were not about DDNet/teeworlds difference but about tons of complex logic in infClass (infection mod with classes) and yes, my inexperience.

you who developed the infclass?

No, infClass is really old mod.

19:42

It has tons of logic and classes and very complex compared to CTF/DM or even DDNet itself. (edited)

19:43

Many people made it in 6 years so a lot of game rules and code was accumulated.

19:43

breton, yavl, stitch... there are about ~20 people in credits

19:44

But then teeworlds has splitted to 0.6/0.7 and infClass began to die. Yavl tried to help situation porting infClassR (his variant) from 0.6 to 0.7 and mostly succeeded.

19:45

But then this community and playerbase splt got worse. Other mod owners never ported their mods to 0.6 and a tribe of "0.6 people" (aka "0.7 is a shit" tribe was created).

19:46

So 0.7 playerbase is still less. And yavl's infClassR after being ported to 0.7 started dying too.

19:46

Then I've came and ported it to DDNet codebase. After 4 months of fighting for live this mod is finally well alive.

19:46

And the main reason of success if 0.6, 0.7 and DDNet client compatibility.

19:46

And a great community support.

I'm creating a mod for 6.4, do you think I'd better do it using DDNet?

So, DDNet-Server and also Client are compatibel with 0.6 AND 0.7 protocol as well as the ddnet-server is compatibel with all maps?

@Spyry what mod and what is uour progress on that?

19:52

@becc yes, but DDNet client is not compatible to 0.7 teeworlds vanilla servers.

yes, sure

@Deleted User I'm making a city mod, it's in the beginning, I stopped now because you need to make the tile layers

Thanks @Deleted User !

And ddnet server is not compatible with 0.7 maps. Use 0.6/ddnet format if you're not on 0.7 codebase. (edited)

20:02

Also DDnet server will give 0.7 clients 0.7 map to make things work.

20:04

So I 0.6/ddnet is a primary format for DDNet server and it gives 0.6/ddnet clients this map natively. But there should also be maps07 folder for compatibility with 0.7 clients so they could take compatible version.

20:05

It's a bit complicated chunk of information for a starter but once it gets digested you will grasp it as something simple and logical.

20:05

@Spyry DDnet codebase is fitting overall for your mod.

20:07

If you're just cloning existing 0.7 if|city servers you could add your own 0.6 compatibility layer instead to make 0.7 server talk with 0.6 clients but this will require quite a lot low-level expertise and effort.

Deleted User

So I 0.6/ddnet is a primary format for DDNet server and it gives 0.6/ddnet clients this map natively. But there should also be maps07 folder for compatibility with 0.7 clients so they could take compatible version.

Why are there just a few maps in this directory?

So far 2 people done it: fokkonaut and noby. Both are experts in both teeworlds modding and C++

20:08

@becc you should add converting to your deployment pipeline.

20:08

Or do it manually before deploying maps alone.

20:08

With convert_07 script.

I mean here: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/tree/master/data/maps7 Why are there only a few= In maps are more than in maps7. What are this maps for? For the localhost server?

20:09

Sorry for so much, probably stupid questions .. I am pretty new :c

Cause there is no point in converting ctf and dm maps for a ddnet server

20:10

I am unsure why ctf and dm maps are even in maps/ folder in ddnet.

20:10

There are no gamemodes in DDNet

And this are just a few template maps for localhost server?

Yes those are just some sample ddnet maps and all vanilla 0.6 teeworlds maps.

20:12

Which I think should not be there.

20:13

As there is no ctf or dm gamemode implementation in DDNet server. Though it's not hard to mod DDnet to behave like that.

20:13

I have a lot of killing AND flag grabbing in my infNext mod.

So, they removed the default gamemodes from ddnet source?

20:14

Why would they?

20:14

Because it's just useless piece of code?

Cause their focus was on DDRace gamemode.

doesnt it have smth to with not having to download them on vanilla servers or is that in the appdata folder

And teeworlds team was supporting vanilla mode. (edited)

20:16

CTF or DM modes logic is about 1% of all code.

20:16

And DDNet has about 30% more code than teeworlds to my estimations.

Sure, ddnet is way bigger than simple ctf

I've ported flag logic to DDnet in a couple of hours from 0.7 sources.

so it's not that hard to port the whole game probably?

20:17

could be a nice little exercise for beginning (with basic c/c++ knowledge)

It's not. Just nobody have reason to

20:18

Vanilla CTF and DM are ok with 0.6 or 0.7 servers (edited)

20:18

In fact there is some DDnet logic that you will turn off for the game to behave as teeworlds

20:18

But not too much and the process is mostly straightforward

20:20

Mostly related to taking damage instead of freezing

20:21

And commenting out "teams" and time scores.

20:21

And something else not very big, I don't remember now.

20:22

In fact FNG will be the first thing you will get trying to recreate CTF on DDnet platform as freeze effect will be so tempting to reuse :) (edited)

20:24

If you will port CTF or DM to DDNet it could also be the nicer repo to start DDNet modding than vanilla DDNet. I could contribute there too.

Are lasers and stuff like that changed globally and not per mod

There are no modes in DDnet. You will mod DDnet code directly. At first it's sounds intimidating but it's quite ok. (edited)

ah okay

So you could add modes support to DDnet. But I would not recommend that for a beginner.

20:27

Just try to recreate DM instead. Then CTf if you fancy.

yeah sure, i want to get more familiar with the code first, thank you!

Np, I'd like to see more teeworlds and DDnet modders.

20:28

And to see DDnet platform to be widely adopted as a base for mods.

20:29

Most modders just abandoned their 0.6 projects and never updated to any other version.

20:31

And also recently new modders starting their mods on 0.7 codebase abandoning their projects fast as they could not get playerbase

20:32

My mod survives only because it has both player segments

20:33

And it will eventually "win" over 0.6 infClass and 0.7 infCroya servers even that many old players don't like some infNext novelties to infClass.

I have 23 players top and 9 hours gameplay marathons recently and infClass survives mostly on regional servers like Persian and Chinese.

20:34

And mine is "winning" also by ping as most players are from Europe.

20:35

And because my mod is closed source sadly and it's not easy to clone

nice nice

I keep getting this error error C2338 with the Message

Windows headers require the default packing option. Changing this can lead to memory corruption. This diagnostic can be disabled by building with WINDOWS_IGNORE_PACKING_MISMATCH defined.

I got Visual Studio 2019 Community installed and opened a fresh clone (recursive) with CLion (which uses the MSVC from Visual Studio)

21:29

This happens when I am trying to run the DDNet configuration but not for DDNet-Server

This happens when I am trying to run the DDNet configuration but not for DDNet-Server

Are you trying to run DDNet-Server with autoexec.cfg instead of autoexec_ddnet.cfg with appropriated DDNet commands? (edited)

21:33

Cannot help you much about error here, as I am using Linux + gcc + cmake + vscode.

I mean the Cmake run configuration

21:34

ah okay (edited)

I use vscode with cmake plugin and it just worked from the start.

i could try to use the WSL compiler (edited)

@Deleted User what version can i use ddnet to create my mod?

I have another great bug

22:13

If I click update, it just shuts down

22:14

I also get things like [2020-11-20 22:13:31][console]: failed to chain 'cl_chat_tee'

22:14

This is completely broken

22:14

There is something very wrong with 15.2.2

22:20

@deen we really need to create and save debug info

@Learath2 isnt it just better to completly remove the autoupdater at this point

22:32

monkalaugh

I tried it and autoupdater works for me on linux and windows

22:44

no it's not

It's completely broken for me, along with launching the game with double click

maybe an issue on your system?

I'm not quite sure what broke this badly

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