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Between 2020-11-01 00:00:00Z and 2020-11-02 00:00:00Z

Accessible recordings to the public of top1 runs of every map < is this something that will be implemented in the future?

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imo it ruins ppls r1 runs if they find a rly smart skip

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i think it should be implemented but only to admins so they can check for bots

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or ppl can only see the demo 1 month after its ranked

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imo it ruins ppls r1 runs if they find a rly smart skip

@louis doesn't tee historian already does that?

01:35

already do*

tee historian file unreadable and i dont think everyone has access (i might be wrong)

How the F it ruins anything but just some of top player fragile egos??

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There are hudreds of maps with hundreds of mappers. Some parts are plain stupidly designed and can be simply checked if the replay is available

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But yeah, let's keep every casual player in dark, because "I did this super amazing skip that nobody has ever done and I should take credit for it"

01:47

Jesus, if anything this game is about mastering the movement and whatever utilities you are given, not trying to figure out what dumb new part has some new mapper come up with

if ur a casual player then u dont need to check top demos. if u need to use brain for a part, allowing anyone to check r1 demo for instant walkthrough does not make sense

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yes, if u have a good skip u should be able to keep it?

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w/out others knowing because if others know they will just use the skip and get a better time

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which is dumb since they needed no effort to find skips

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if u dont like parts where u need brain, just dont play the map

ok, whatever top5 who cares. But every map should have a demo, yes

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Brain

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Im talking about retarded design

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even if not retarded

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there are so many "quirky" parts

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that do not make sense

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the game is out for 10 years

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some of the players are dads now

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not everyone has time to spend "to use brain" in part that is legit poorly designed

if so then just go ask @Cor to make a yt channel with all his map runs lol

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but i dont think there should be an instant walkthru in game for each map

That ruins the fun of brain maps

It does not ruin the fun. As I said it ruins the fragile feelings of top players that have nothing else but their rank1 going for them. I look at DDrace as mastering physics with utilities you are given. Sure you can look at DDrace as a "puzzle" game and there is absolutely nothing stopping you to play like one even if there was a playthrough available for every single map there is. Look for example Portal2 (or any other puzzle game), you can just go on youtube and watch the entire run. Where is the "fun" exactly taken out if you have an option to not go on youtube and watch the run? If some of you (most top players for sure) are not ok with top1 released, jesus, I don't care, let it be a minimum of 50 players to finish the map and the last record be released as a demo for everyone, but I strongly believe there is nothing to be lost if there is information released to see how every part is done. If anything it encourages us to go out and try something new. Some movements that you have never seen done before. Some maps that are forever buried in map pool because there are few poorly designed parts that you don't want to waste time on. But yeah, let's shout "down with information" and "JUST USE BRAIN" as this community gets older and older and eventually fizzles out leaving behind you and your rank1 with nobody else taking your place.

well ddnet has competitive rankings, portal 2 does not f(._. )z

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if parts are bad just dont play the map

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or ask a friend

dude are you reading between lines?

02:19

I don't care about your rank1 demo

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keep it

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I don't care for rank20 or rank40

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just any demo

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for every map

ye just ask cor for full demo folder

broooother

inb4 ppl get demo where they form a swastika with tees lmfao

I'm not asking especially for myself

02:21

Why is the conept of realising demos so fraud upon? (edited)

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Why can't there be just casual comunity that we push with demo usage

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New to the game?

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Sure no problem

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just check out how some other noob did the map

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Why do I need friends???

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To ask for demos

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well ddnet has competitive rankings, portal 2 does not f(._. )z

@louis this is not true aswell. https://www.speedrun.com/portal_2

Speedrunning leaderboards, resources, forums, and more!

llul portaal 2 is one game, ddnet there are thousands of maps

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portal 2 is aalr heavily spedrun to where its not an issue of "brain" when it comes to the game, also speedrunning full games in general is a lot more abt rng and optimizing strats unlike some ddrace brain-ish maps

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again, i think the best way to do it is just ask some pro player to compile all his runs tbh, dont think there needs to be an official walkt hru for each map

02:40

portall 2 doesnt walk u thru each puzzle

lol what are you talking about

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most good speedrunning games are all about the skips people find

llul portaal 2 is one game, ddnet there are thousands of maps

@louis THANK YOU. This is exactly what I'm talking about. DDnet is small comunity with HUNDREDS of maps HUDREDS of mappers and no time to learn them all

but i think its cool that in ddnet you arent forced to share your skips

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in other games people have to verify your run

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if you want a walkthrough a lot of maps have videos on youtube

I'm not even compating ddrace to portal2

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that was just as exmaple of info being available to public

@letins We do have replays of each rank. it's called teehistorian, but as of now it's not really usable for public. It's really scuffed. It basically records all player inputs and position each tick. Developed by heinrich (edited)

just inputs no positions

position aswell

i remember heinrich saying that you cant play back teehistorian from the middle

@murpi Thanks for giving heads up. I just want some legit arguments against why having a playtrough (I DONT CARE RANK1 or RANK5000) for every single map is a bad thing and will lead to this games downfall with certainty of no return (edited)

arent all the walkthroughs for other games just people posting their runs on youtube as well

when I go to KZ map on csgo

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there are bots running every map

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as a noob

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I can just check rank1 run

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see how he does it

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and quit the game because I will never to the same as the bot

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And this goes for almost any popular game

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yes there are youtube runs

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ddrace is kind of special cuz there are too many maps and too little videos

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so simple solution demos

iirc deen wanted to get a teeweb based viewer for teehistorian files up and running. Unfortunately some teehistorian files are multiple gigs in size, so this probably needs to be fixed aswell

Race server had demos availble for the longest time ever

wait really

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/2937

Teehistorian Replayer · Issue #2937 · ddnet/ddnet

I haven't really started yet, if someone wants to help tell me: Replay modus on server that opens a teehistorian file as inputs Should run faster than realtime, no sleeps, instantly go to n...

See, an answear of "it's too complicated to impliment into game" is 10 times better than "I did a cool skip, I don't want anybody to figure it out"

yeah but i was saying you have to play the teehistorina files from the beginning

@plsplsplslol yeah once someone finds skip it gets posted 200x on reddit and everyones like

omg!!! but after that its down to who has best rng and optimizations for most games

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its not like 1 guy gets to keep the skip

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which is what makes ddnet ranks special imo

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u find a skip, its ur skip

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ur not forced to share it with dumb botters who have low iq so they can't find skips

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will lead to this games downfall with certainty of no return

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lol this is not what im saying

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im saying it will remove the magic of rank 1s

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why should someone that isn't like a top10 player go for a skip if they know some random botter will just yoink it right after

yeah thats why i like the way ddnet does it

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different from other games

tbh if u want to implement this its okay, but it should be the delayed rank 1

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for example, the r1 of this map 2 months ago

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so whoever found a skip can keep it for 2 months

But I already stated that I don't care about rank1 and said any demo

that wont work

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which demo will u find

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how do u know they dont skip the part

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there can be multiple ways to do parts, some save time

for other games walkthroughs are just people posting videos on youtube

maybe they dont do it with intended way but with a much harder way

which is what people already do

which would destroy the purpose

the difference is that there are way too many maps on ddnet

that won't work is not an aswear, you can make it simple. Don't realese any demos if below 50 runs. Relese top50 whats its done or something

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I don't care how its done

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Or to be able just to share your runs

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I would share all mine shitty rank 500

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I don't care

share runs = post on youtube

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ye then theres more problems like ppl ranking on racist names

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or like

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top50 might use skips, like i said

holy

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jesus

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Ok, I think we will not find a common ground. I argue for the casual player and I know most likely there are no casual players that are here on Discord, let alone care for this "demo" matter. I was just thinking about how silly it is that every game that I have played, has some kind of resources of people doing it. So I can easy search for it or its already in game. But then I open DDrace, I go into new map. The start is simple, the middle part is simple and then there is one part, it does not make any sense from DESIGN point, it uses switches some other wierd shit and all that. But I liked the map until that part, but now I'm forced to go ask Cor personaly, to let me know how to do that part, because I really do care about that map, and problably every other casual player like me should just contact Cor aswell.

lul i never said dm cor

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i said maybe he could make yt channel with runs so ppl could search on youtube

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tell me which game gives u a walkthrough in-game for each part

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its like playing sudoku with the numbers filled in

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not really

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but still

Sudoku is movenmt based game, sure

imo if u cant figure out a part, thats on u

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unless its claret-blue that map can go to the trash

You talking like if Vendetta would release all his Insane map demos I would go out tommorw and finish them all no problem

but i dont think walkthrough-runs should be available to all. rank1 after a month or two? sure

@letins This might be not what you're looking for but whenever you're stuck there are plenty of people here on discord who'd gladly help you out. Just send a screenshot of said part and people will surely help you out

@murpi sure, but as I said I'm not really talking about myself

03:10

I was trying to argue from casual players perspective

Ah, I see~

People are being anoying in Planet Mars

Trackmania

Bad bad people

Why is the coloring of the tee using HSL and every slider is from 0 to 255 like in RGB, even tho HSL uses 0-360,0-100%,0-100%?

Probably we use 1 byte to store each value, so values from 0 to 255 fit

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