DDraceNetwork

someone help me? My ddrace when nothing starts, it stays on a black screen and closes the game

umm wtf

09:28

crashed almost 2 hours into game and wont let me timeout prot

@Clavata intel gpu?

he already did an update tho

09:39

i just wonder: as soon as the map is built its not magically loading more stuff, it just renders

well ive had it crash in same way a couple times even in entities...

but we had this reproducable bug

09:50

and did the driver update and it was gone, wasnt it?

well it didnt happen again in the way we were reproducing it

09:54

and the ones ive had recently havent been reproducable by going to same place in map

09:54

just randomish

09:54

but they still do tend to happen in groups, like joining again after crash has high chance of crashing again rlly soon

puhh that sounds really annoying

09:56

well if they are related to the OpenGL version, i guess we have no option than to revert everything

also regarding the timeout prot not working, the crash doesnt close the game, just freezes it, so might have closed it before it counted as a crash

you can always remove internet connection and close the game then just to be safe

09:59

then it wont trigger a disconnect

still annoying to wait for timeout prot

if you want try gfx_opengl_major 1 and restart

09:59

if it wont crash then anymore its related to the newer code

what reverses that if i want to go back to newer code if it still keeps crashing

10:00

0?

no 3

k

default is gfx_opengl_major 3 gfx_opengl_minor 0 gfx_opengl_patch 0

i might try that later, not gona be on much more 2day

sure

10:05

maybe i shouldnt play nightlies

its not about nightlys

10:05

the night is probably more stable than the current release

10:06

bcs we fixed alot of undefined behaviour lately

10:06

i dont want to crash in the middle of a 2 hour run

well i can only tell that i never had a crash lately

10:07

without intel gpu xd

10:08

actually i hadnt really ever had a crash caused by opengl in the past years

10:09

and yeah the reports always come from intel users or users with 100 years old GPUs

10:09

i wish there would be someone with AMD or NVIDIA

10:09

then i'd atleast be safe its our code

well if they are related to the OpenGL version, i guess we have no option than to revert everything

@Deleted User nooo

well too many ppl play on laptops @Ryozuki sry

@Deleted User maybe just implement directx for windows peasants

directx uses a different coordinate system and i'd need to code on windows

10:10

2x cancer

omg

bcs opengl is the coordinate system i leanred in shool and university

windows stupidity limiting linux users again

i have amd troll

fck the system

@cyberfighter the thing yesterday wasnt really a crash tho

10:11

it was just a bug in the nightly, but not critical

10:11

well heinrich and deen are on linux with intels

10:11

they dont have problems xd

10:11

so yeah always windows xd

10:12

windows sux

what will u revert exactly

10:12

man i think these were great changes

10:12

sad

i guess we'd just default to opengl 1.4 and look for some extensions so it can build mipmaps

cant u use spir-v in directx?

10:13

glsl to spir-v and use it in directx

10:13

10:14

@Deleted User wait

10:14

maybe these intel gpus

10:14

support vulkan

10:14

it wouldnt be rare

10:14

OpenGL, OpenCL, and Vulkan* drivers must be installed separately, and are only distributed with the game or application that requires it.

10:14

https://www.intel.com/content/www/us/en/support/articles/000005524/graphics.html

Supported APIs for Intel® Graphics Controllers

Information on supported APIs for Intel® Graphics Drivers, including DirectX, OpenGL, Vulkan* and OpenCL* versions.

ofc thjjey support vulkan

10:15

they are from 2017 or newer

maybe vulkan isnt bugged then

10:15

we can shrug off the ancient pcs

they support every new shit, just brokenly xd

@Deleted User maybe they support vulkan better, because for opengl they didnt have to care much cuz in windows everyone uses directx

well amd supports vulkan better too

well amd > intel

opengl is dieing on desktops

yeah

10:16

i would love to use vulkan too

10:16

and see how u implement it

10:16

xd

XD

10:16

i'd love to use vulkan, would be a great challenge

you have way more setup code

10:17

but way more control

but we wont drop support for acient pcs so doesnt matter anyway

10:18

@Deleted User is it that far fetched to think u would need something not ancient to play an updated game nowadays?

10:18

if i had a cpu from 99 i wouldnt expect to play games

10:18

xd

if i am honest with u, im impressed these pcs still work

10:18

arent the fans dieing after like 8 years normally xD

xdd

or the RAM

10:19

or the HDD

maybe those cpus dont overheat

the cpus will live 20 years

10:19

but laptops arent ez to replace

10:19

so these ppl would just buy new laptop

10:19

or generally arent aware how to replace stuff (edited)

@Deleted User but dont thsoe cpus use old opengl

10:19

1.0

10:19

fallback?

yes

or these modern intel gpus

10:20

they dont fallback?

10:20

maybe they are buggy in 3.0

10:20

and not in 1.0

so you want me to detect if opengl 4.3 or newer is supported and then just use vulkan?

10:20

else gl 1.x? XD

just put every intel gpu to 1.0 xd

yeah

10:21

the question is just, if its a bug by us or intel

we could put donations towards buying you old laptops

10:21

so u can fix this

10:21

lmao

even if the chance is high on intels side i don't want to be ignorant and just assume things

xddd

well i tried a laptop with a intel cpu from 2010. the school of my father has alot of them

10:22

i tested everything on it, and everything worked fine xD

stupid idea - what about using some library that translates OpenGL to D3D on Windows?

11:06

avoiding broken OpenGL libs provided by the system

11:07

it seems Mesa supports even Windows and does exactly this

doesnt it to the exact opposite?

11:07

dx to opengl

no, that's Wine

11:07

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mesa_(computer_graphics) "Mesa is also not specific to Unix-like operating systems: on Windows for example, Mesa provides an OpenGL API over DirectX."

Mesa (computer graphics)

Mesa, also called Mesa3D and The Mesa 3D Graphics Library, is an open source software implementation of OpenGL, Vulkan, and other graphics API specifications. Mesa translates these specifications to vendor-specific graphics hardware drivers. Its most important users are two gr...

so where can you download the binaries?

no idea

i know of the software renderer https://fdossena.com/?p=mesa/index.frag

Mesa3D For Windows

Software Rendering for OpenGL

11:10

but i dunno if that is the translation layer to dx already

it won't be the fastest solution for sure

well aslong it works we could just enable it for intel only

or just ask Intel to fix their drivers

11:18

by the way, i think there's some system-wide OpenGL implementation used by all GPU vendors on Windows, so why is it broken on Intel only?

11:19

or maybe each vendor provides their own OpenGL implementation optimized for their hardware

11:19

who knows

windows only gives the standard opengl 1.1 impl, so it does not fail at that

11:21

rest are own dlls. that overwrite windows ones

11:21

https://github.com/pal1000/mesa-dist-win/releases tested this: gives around 320 fps xdd

Releases · pal1000/mesa-dist-win

Pre-built mesa software rasterizer drivers for Windows - pal1000/mesa-dist-win

11:22

i cant find the dx api that they talk about

11:22

i wonder if its actually existing or if wikipedia is just not upto date. i know mesa has DX9 support, but never heard of an OpenGL wrapper tbh

yes, gallium nine is wonderful thing

11:24

Mesa devs don't care much about Windows anyway

i dunno, since wine has a EVERYTHING to vulkan layer

11:24

that outperforms even the actual implementations

11:25

i only use them xd

DXVK thing

yeah and d9vk

do you play some Windows games on Linux?

is just casually faster than using d9 directly xD

11:25

i only play on linux

nice

i rarely have bugs with steamplay or wine directly

11:26

actually the biggest problem is often the launcher of the games

11:26

not the games itself xd

11:26

but yeah steam is pretty fine actually

stupid DRM everywhere

yeah xd

i use gallium nine to play Crysis at almost the same FPS as on Windows

11:27

but it crashes sometimes

oh ok

anyway

11:30

it seems there are no issues with vanilla TW client on Windows

11:30

or no?

but nobody plays vanilla thats the problem xD

i use vanilla 0.7 client

but u are on linux arent u? XD

yes

that closes the circle

DDNet client is even in Debian repo

11:31

really nice

also you cant compare ddnet to tw really

11:32

ddnet uses much more GL functions, it buffers stuff, uses 2d array textures

11:32

that are opengl 2.1+ and opengl 3.0 features

11:32

tw is basically opengl 1.x with mipmaps which is opengl 2.0

oh, didn't know that

11:32

so DDNet has better graphics or something?

the renderer is better yes

11:33

more advanced

higher FPS?

with gl 3.3 you should easly get 1k more fps

11:33

in ddnet

11:34

except you are rendering alot of quads, which will cause a fast GPU bottleneck

11:34

but the debian package is probs outdated xD

11:34

better compile the current version or smth

11:36

easy even with vanilla

11:36

apt show ddnet says 14.1-1

11:36

that's super old, right?

its pretty old yes

do you know if the package maintainer is someone from here?

i think it was him: https://github.com/yangfl but not sure

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