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Between 2020-10-02 00:00:00Z and 2020-10-03 00:00:00Z
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isnt race supposed to be the mod where all parts are safe? imo the new map should be moved to solo
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i asked tezcan, who is an admin of the unique servers (race servers), he said it's race
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i culd swear i saw a defenition of race from deen somewhere that says its unique selling point is being safe
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so should we take the definition of deen or the definition of the race players?
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well. there are similar maps like this that are on solo
13:41
and we should take deens defenitions bcs it makes more sense
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For me Race was just a Teeworlds mod before DDRace, and it had no freeze
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tezcant
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Race has no freezw
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and it was a teeworlds mod before ddrace
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for me race is anything that solely uses grenade and has parts where u go fast
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I agree that race is without freeze
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race is without freeze for me aswell
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but is it older than ddrace???
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race is older yes
15:55
way older
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with or without freeze
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the race gametype didn't have freeze
15:56
the new ddrace mod introduced a funny new tile, "freeze"
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Yeah, I guess that's where the name "dummy drag" comes from. When you're frozen you become the dummy and have to be dragged.
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no i dont think so.
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the map we are talking about, doesn't have freeze tiles btw. ofc race maps didn't use freeze tiles back then, so releasing race maps with freeze tiles would be weird
16:11
i think this is where dummy drag comes from. 2008 was defenetly before ddrace
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back then there were 2 player coop maps without freeze
16:23
there was also a game mode where the hammer strength was modified (without freeze) and you had to do some hammerfly stuff
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aaah yeah i remember that one
16:24
what was it called again
16:25
it was HPrace
16:25
pls add to ddnet
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chillerdragon reply 9 years later kek
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ye it was hprace but it never got popular
16:34
even tho it was quite fun
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@Im 'corneum can't you just change the strength with a tune? or is there none?
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yeah sure
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it was a different gamemode @deen
16:38
u had to aim
16:38
to push in specific directions
16:38
as the hammerguy
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oh
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and also only 1 needed to cross the finish
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Chilleddrag comment on every tw vid without fail
17:58
I made a rotating planet animation, which is a bit weirdjustatest justatest justatest
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@bit is that a sequence of images?
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no, only rotate
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uh nice
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wait wtf how
18:05
do u have a donut shape and rotate that and just have the black sky over it w a gradient
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that's how I imagined it
18:07
troll justatest
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@bit how do u get an image of jupiter as a circle
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I used PS edit a normal texture of it
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very nice
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It is a race map, aslong as it doesn't use freeze, laser or shotgun
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then we have 2 solomaps that need to be moved to race
18:53
hollywood undead and 2+2=green
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hollywood undead doesn't use a grenade?
18:55
2+2=green uses freeze xD
18:55
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isnt that a solo map
18:56
oh ye 2+2=green doesnt need race
18:56
hollywood undead does tho
18:56
i dont think nade is requirement of race
18:56
there are some race maps where u dont have nade
18:57
but maybe we should only have nade stuff in race because then you could make the argument that all gores maps like sorgores and that one themix gores maps belongs in race too
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hollywood undead looks like a "fly" map, if somebody knows that game mode xD
18:57
so historically it's something different than race
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fly is also part of race
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oh, interesting
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look at it this way. there are comparible maps in the solo section but not in the race section.
19:09
its the odd one out in race category
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Just because its not similiar to other maps doesn't make it non-race, you could say the same about run_aim. some people (racers) still say maps like that where u have to "buguse" edge, aren't race maps
19:17
which is just wrong, they are race, also hollywood undead like u said is race
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but surely its not going to get moved to race
19:20
what about all the fly maps
19:20
they are even more race
19:20
fly to the legends 1+2, fly out of hell, fliplip10
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as i said, all maps that don't use shotgun, laser or freeze are race.
19:22
the maps you named are flymaps which are also part of race, rly old maps which are like fliplip10 where in race servers
19:22
back in the day
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well then i propose to declare your defenition bullshit and move the map to solo
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and still are on unique
19:25
You don't have to agree with me, but you should know most racers do agree with my definition, which play far longer than you.
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tezcan't
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im not a lot on unique servers but are there really maps with multiple parts that are all tele1 or kill? i just havent seen a map like this be race
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Yes there are maps that are like that. And just because you're used to the categories that the maps are categorized in by the DDNet Admins doesn't make it true that they belong to that category. Back in the day they were put there bcs there was no "Race" Category, Fly out of Hell like u mentioned was on rly old race servers before.
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lol tezcan't
19:31
haha
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@plsplsplslol haterfeelsbadman
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nobo
19:31
u
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i dont like how this map and the ones that need to be added to race mix up the clean style we had on race on ddnet. but i see youre right actually.
19:32
but i doubt someone will actually move them
19:32
so its unsatisfying now
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they don't have to be moved, it doesn't matter that much anyway (atleast imo)
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it just doesnt feel good. also points
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unique server is better than ddnet for shortrace anyway
19:34
the points system is more satisfying
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sure
19:34
and they added my idea to implement flags
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I'm fine whether they are moved or not
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getting more points for going faster gives u an incentive to play maps more than once
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but its a pretty exclusive community due to the nature of the mod.
19:35
when i think i did a fast time and i rank me i see im rank 35... of 40 players
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noob
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nah the points system based on rank only works on race
19:38
since on ddnet some maps is more of a "can u finish" not "how fast can u go and how many times do u want to retry the start map to get the perfect double"
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i remember some race players saying that ddrace killed race
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but race is still fun
19:38
yeah idk why race players hate ddrace
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they arent comparable
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It's not an exclusive community, racers just have stamina and are always trying to improve themselves on a map for hours, you need that mentality.
19:39
most (the average) ddrace player is just playing for the finish
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but that makes it hard to get into
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i know!
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race is more fun than ddrace lol
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i agree
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i dont have the attention span to play the same map for a long time
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what's our definition of "exclusive community"? everybody can play race
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i just like going fast
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u dont have to play it for a long time
19:39
u can try a 10sec map for 5min
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and then move onto the next
19:39
and its fun
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thats boring tho
19:39
ur still retrying
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for 500 times
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i used to play race only so i know where ure comming from
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its not more boring than ddrace thats for sure
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thats speedrunning in general tho louis
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yea and ddrace is not more boring than fng for sure
19:40
fng best
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well i mean like for race its just rocket and hook
19:40
in ddrace speedrunning different maps have diff strats
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some dont even have rocket
19:40
u are conflating complexity and fun
19:40
and u cant do that
19:40
sometimes the simpler modes are the most fun
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ur the one who has like 1 million kills on fng
19:40
but ok
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ur acting like complex stuff is never fun
19:41
which is not true
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just hook maps are way more complex in the short category (atleast for me)
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no im not acting like that xd
19:41
im saying that complexity and fun arent related
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honestly there isnt a big difference between speedrunning a ddnet solomap with all kinds of parts than speedrunning a racemap.
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i think having different strats for different maps is really fun
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you need the right angles to hook
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rocket creates a lot of different strats
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there can be fun complex mods and fun simple mods and unfun complex mods and unfun simple mods and everything in between
19:41
as i said not related
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im not saying its directly related
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i remember that speedrunning a race map was about high speed stuff, which we don't have that much in solo race maps
19:42
i mean short race maps
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lol all of them are 0* on ddrace
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because ddnet doesnt have a good scoring system for shortrace like unique does
19:42
the map itself is ez but it still rewards u for being fast at it
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thats what happens when u have one category and only 5 stars to differ them
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couldnt that be changed
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better not
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i don't think that we should encourage ddrace players to speedrun xd
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for short race at least
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we are doing it in another way (rank points)
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i mean we do encourage them to speedrun
19:43
we have speedrun tournaments and rankpoints system
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but thats not really a strong motivator for anyone who cant get top5
19:43
which is like, 99% of the players
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thing is that nobody really cares for shortmaps on ddnet. deen didnt even want race on ddnet at all
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ye
19:44
better to just play on unique race servers
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we don't need many race maps on ddnet if unique hosts them
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and the ranks on ddnet afaik are worse than unique ranks
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ddrace kills all ur rockets when u kill
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well unique doesnt have usa servers
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cuz the ppl who rly like playing short race go to uinque server and not ddnet lol
19:44
yes they do
19:44
or
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theres a server setting to turn that on but nobody cares
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lol you dont need good ping for solo maps
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If ddnet wants to get rid of the Race Category, contact me and ill add them all to unique with the ranks instead greenthing
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i get better ping to can than usa anyway
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xd
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wtf i mean the servers arent as good
19:45
on can
19:45
i spike more
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i never lag there
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same
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have u tried buying more internet
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wow amazing
19:45
no
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ddnet players don't want to lose points so we can't remove maps xD
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download more internet
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ok send link
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@Tezcan or you port your race to ddnet completely.... or actually ask deen to add a unique TAB like kog got
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what would that port involve
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idk it was a joke
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we should add pvp tab PLEASE
19:46
idk why that stuff is in the ddnet tab
19:46
fng isnt ddnet
19:46
whys it there
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lol
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block isnt ddnet either or any of the vanilla modes
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i think the original point was to be able to find some of the popular servers during masterserver ddos
19:47
but yeah
19:47
adding a separate tab for pvp servers like fng and vanilla and ictf and such would be nice
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wait ill make github issue maybe
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im just predicting that the response will be "we have enough tabs already"
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we can remove kog
19:48
troll
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yes
19:48
gores sucks
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yes
19:48
also the tabs only take up half of the space there is
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and "pvp" is pretty short
19:48
wouldnt take up much room
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is fng pvp or teamplay
19:49
in teams ye but mostly pvp
19:49
(and then they should make that the default tab) xd
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default tab should be internet
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no
19:50
default should be internet tab, sort so that highest playercount is at the top
19:51
then let ppl pick what they want to play
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no then u have fokkonobos server at the top
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oh true ..
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which takes 50 minutes to dl the map
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so ppl will rq before even playing
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just hide that server lmao
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just default to ddnet
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but then they miss out on pvp mods like ctf and fng and instagib
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yeah i wanted to join that server but i stopped the download what is that
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most players come from steam and they expect a cooperative race mode
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its bad server they allow botting 😡
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when they join a nobo fng server with abusing admins they rq
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and how did he find 100 dumbos to download that map
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true
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because he allows any client and actively encourages people to connect dummy and stay afk for hours
19:52
easy to inflate playercount if thats how u run the server
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louis when download sp someone map
19:52
the 2 GB one
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lmfao never
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@louis "misleaded"
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kek
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wait what
19:55
whys this so hard to spell
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whys it mislead
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everything else is -ed
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huge nobo
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because english
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because the past tense of lead is led
19:56
so past tense of mislead is misled
19:56
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why did u edit it again
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misleadeded
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it was right
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what no its mislead
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it says mislead now
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wtf
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is right
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no its mislead wtf
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no it isnt
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i would say mislead
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wait wtf
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"i was misled by nouis"
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Definition of mislead from Dictionary.com, the world’s leading online source for English definitions, pronunciations, word origins, idioms, Word of the Day, and more.
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googles fault not mine
19:57
it told me mislead
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they speak 3rd grade english in america right?
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u know what idc i just changed it to "confused"
19:58
its misled
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@Im 'corneum no
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but i do agree
20:00
separating ddnet and pvp would be useful
20:01
[so i can find the servers i want to play on and not have to scroll thru a thousand ddrace servers]
20:01
[so i can find the good servers and not have to scroll thru fng]
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2020-10-02 20:03:56Z
troll
20:03
nouis
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@noby more like nooby
20:05
tezCAN more like tezCAN'T
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@Tezcan't
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can you stop doing that joke
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feelsbadman always the same
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more like
20:06
tarzan
20:06
🐵
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i like tarzan
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okay new one. chillerdragOff
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welflew
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@plsplsplslol send 2gb map
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its too big
21:12
can only download from tw server
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