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[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

c4c3458 M Tsunami - ddnet-maps

Is there a way to change rcon console color / transparency of the background? (edited)

no

ismesad

change the .png file

Yeah, managed to change the color atleast isme

isme

@notdeen give me a sec to fix the icon

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The "Last Finishes" updates instantly, the lower ones every 30 min

Epix shows in last finishes, but not in the finished maps on novice server - is that a bug, or just takes more time

10:12

thanks

Since the calculation of your rank is kind of expensive

10:13

it might take a few seconds to do it instantly for all maps someone has finished

ok, was just wondering

@Wollwolke Thanks, fixed.

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@Soreu tested it again, takes 10-15 seconds to calculate all the info, a bit too slow:

select Server, Map, Points, (select min(Timestamp) from record_race where Map = record_maps.Map and Name = "deen") as FirstFinish, (select count(*) from record_race where Map = record_maps.Map and Name = "deen") as Finishes, (select min(Time) from record_race where Map = record_maps.Map and Name = "deen") as Time, (select count(distinct Name) + 1 from record_race where Map = record_maps.Map and Time < (select min(Time) from record_race where Name = "deen" and Map = record_maps.Map)) as Rank, (select count(distinct ID) + 1 from record_teamrace where Map = record_maps.Map and Time < (select min(Time) from record_teamrace where Map = record_maps.Map and Name = "deen")) as TeamRank from record_maps order by Server, Map;

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

6c2b94b Add donation - def-

Make home background a map showcase, nicest looking maps appear instead of the squares, minecraft style I guess

13:35

I had this idea for website background also

@Blade they are working on feature where you can set any map you want as background in menus

Damn nice !!

only i changed smth in the edtior recently?

git log on the directory?

anyway its broken rn

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atleast for mind

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ah

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xD

14:06

nvm he meant for the new streaming probably, but not the new dilate

14:07

appearently some textures arent divisible by 16, that the editor uses (edited)

14:07

oh yeah makes sense, bcs its just loading all textures as tileset too

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

0ddc7fd Don't rely on snapshot for ddnet gametype - Jupeyy 1b26312 Merge #2902 - bors[bot]

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2902 Don't rely on snapshot for ddnet gametype

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2912 automatically kick k-client

@heinrich5991 Q: I want to add 0.7 into the client version field, is that a bad idea?

I don't quite understand the question. which client version field?

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ah

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the integer that the server keeps for each client?

Yeah

14:29

Or I'll add a sixup field to the status

it's probably okay. sixup to status would be nicer IMO

14:31

if you add it to the client version field, make sure it's a negative integer

RC has bug "only game layer rendering"

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There is already a PR open for this I think

fix is in the queue, thanks for the report

I mean nightly build does not have this bug, should not we update RC ? Or am I missing smthing

Wait, nightly doesnt?

yea, I am confused. Pr is not merged?

#2902 got merged, but I didn't think @deen rebuilt the nightly yet

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/2902

Don't rely on snapshot for ddnet gametype by Jupeyy · Pull Request ...

@fokkonaut you need to test again if you mod works. This time i also did the test for masked entites(but not for non masked ones).

idk, I just cant play on RC so I asked about updating RC to let me use it to normally play the game

is the nightly built automatically? ^^

yes

@BannZay the point of a RC is that it might have bugs, it'll have less bugs than the nightly but you can't possibly expect it to be completely fine

14:42

if it was guaranteed to be completely fine, it wouldn't be a release candidate, it would be released

sure, but we need time to test "updated" RC as well

How do we do the RC btw? it doesn't seem to be a branch

my uninformed opinion says that rc doesn't bring anything new to the table

14:43

maybe we should just rename nightly to rc so that people feel it's more stable

not sure its about "feeling"

14:44

I am ready to always play on RC`s but not on nightlies

rc should have had a branch yeah the main difference is that rc should not get new features while we can freely add more to the nightly

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if RC is really RC

We need to adopt a more strict master branch policy if we want people to actually play on nightlies

what do you imagine @Learath2?

14:45

the stuff that broke was stuff that didn't happen on dev's hardware, no? (edited)

Well RC doesn't catch those, but I don't think anything catches those

we cached a big bug tho, the game layer only

@heinrich5991 we are just far to relaxed with merging to master for master to be safe to play on

iirc deen didnt want the branches cuz he doesnt want to deal with merge/cherry picks and conflicts

I think I personally destroyed 5 configurations with my color patch while getting it right

it would be good to have an example of how other open source games handle this

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ill look at hedgewars

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they dont seem to do anything at all

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xd

If we want people playing on betas, the betas need to be things we are okay to release as is

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If we don't want to bother with a RC, we should atleast make sure master is always at that state so the nightlies are useful as betas

the rust project releases master builds as nightlies, and people do use them

14:52

they have a better test suite though

They have a massive test suite, we have no test suite

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except for a couple unit tests

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2912 automatically kick k-client

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[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

78040b3 automatically kick k-client (#2912) - nobody-mb

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they have a "train schedule"

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xD

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https://doc.rust-lang.org/book/appendix-07-nightly-rust.html

G - How Rust is Made and “Nightly Rust” - The Rust Programming Lang...

it'd probs already help if all devs always rebase to the current state of master, maybe they find a bug here and there

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for anythiung else ddnet doesnt really have the manpower

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most ppl wont care about RC nor nightly

why? I keep saying I am ready to subscribe to "DDNet pre-releases"

thanks

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1 /1000

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and u a dev too

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lets be realistic, would u have found the skin prefix bug

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i forced spooky to install VS to find that bug

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he isnt even a programmer xd

1 /1000

@Deleted User I dont know what this statistics comes from. But pre-releases would allow us to "show" game to small group of people first to not affect everyone by critical/breaking stuff (edited)

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having new ddnet features earlier are good motivation to force people use it tho

the problem is

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lets say i create something.. then deen and heinrich test it, dont find any obvious bug, merge it now its completly broken for you, would u still call it not critical?

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a nightly is actually the best

nightly is too danger I am not gona use it

I actually had a hunch prefixes were broken when I first reviewed that PR :/

15:01

I just couldn't put my finger on it though and I couldn't get it to break

nightly is not more broken than rc

15:01

bcs deen creates the RCs independent of testing

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so if this RC is not buggy, its the next RC

the thing is amount of people playing on the version. For single person there is no diff between nightly and RC

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I believe we can force people use pre-releases

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but with nightlies... I dont believe in nightlies

i mean sure, sometimes i think about my prs afterwards and might find a bug a few weeks later but realistically, nightlies are never tested and get a RC, so the RC will be broken

But RC is something we are willing to release as is

15:04

I can't say the same thing about master at any given moment

but do we have so many new features

indeed its some constant thing you can really test.

if we would make like 1 release every 2 months maybe

Just count how many releases has just obvious dumb bugs...

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we just need some more people to run it (to smoke test it) (edited)

15:05

instead of 5

i just feel like, master merges are already mostly bug fixes

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so RCs wont really improve this

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ok since steam release we had alot of features

@Deleted User I am saying about people who will use it

15:06

that is the main concern

yes i understand this

as deen said almost none use nightlies

i just dont see the positive things like u do xD

and I understand them

yes and nobody will use RC

we have discord to force people

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like "Hey! New features already there, use pre release! blahblahblah"

i dunno, i have mixed feelings about this

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this just delays bug fixes

@Ryozuki the pr-15.0.5 is now the release branch

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I'd release 15.05 now, any complaints?

I think it's fine, let's get the bugfixes in

monkalaugh

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troll

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Maybe we should only do a RC for larger releases?

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In this case the RC found a bug, so it was good

1 day for testing RC?

(made with open source libre software gimp)

A RC would only be useful if we do back merges, which makes managing the project odd, no?

are not you rushing with releases?

@BannZay This one just has bugfixes I think

ok, so how long should we wait with a bugfix release until we can release?

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I can also create another rc2 and we restart the testing

master has this new untested pr tho https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/78040b31e514535139edc8f1c4ff0fcc7354f710

I'm not releasing from master, I'm releasing from pr-15.0.5

ah

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then ye looks fine

do u have the new Don't rely on snapshot for ddnet gametype in?

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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/2900

yeah thought just bcs it said 9 h ago

well i guess that pr works and actually fixes the issue

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xD

@deen we are not annoying you with these right? Not like we know any better, just testing new things to try reduce some of the issues we've been having with bugs and to encourage more testing

annoying me with what? rcs?

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They are useful, so it's ok if I have to spend some effort to do them

let me test if the fix works rly fast

I guess the bigger worry is how many people are actually testing the rc. If I'm doing the work and no one tests, it's not very useful. (same as with nighlies atm)

ok looks like it works

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for me u can release

Nightlies only devs really test, I always forward my master before doing any work

For reference: rc1 was downloaded 8 times in total, but some IPs look so similar that they are probably the same person, so ~5 people tested

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I use steam pre releases

i downloaded it

and one of them was me xD

I was another one

louis and another one in bugs too

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in #bugs *

@deen from the website?

yes

did you put it up on steam too?

Can we anounce next RC with instruction "how to use steam betas" maybe?

ye it shows there

yes, but only today

its not about how to use steam betas, i think most ppl simply dont know there are other versions than what they get on steam by default

yea, that is why I ask to do so

Not sure how to see number of beta users on steam

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@BannZay sure

well you can put an announcement in the ddnet servers like all the others we have

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asking to help testing

still most ppl wont care

@deen announcing that a new release candidate is out on steam can also bring more testers

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that ofc requires work and time for every RC

when are u downloading a RC of smth?? probs when a new feature was implemented u want to use

u may want to get someone to hell u with "public relations"

We can have a template for that

or whathever

offtopic: I would like to let steam always update my game to RCs if available. selecting "releasecadidates" in betas does exacly this?

RC 15.0.5 is ready for testing and comments now. e.g.

hell -> help*

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if the releasecandidates channel gets updated

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ur game should get updated

@BannZay yes

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iirc

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also the announcements in discord dont have a ping, so most ppl will probably not even notice it, what most servers do is create a role for the purpose of being tagged by that role

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15:21

they usually have a bot to manage that

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its like subscribing to something

Maybe an opt out announcements role?

e.g a Map releases role would ping u

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every time a map is released

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it should probably be opt in xD

Many wouldn't opt-in though, would they

You won't know until you try doing that

RPCS3 just tags everyone for big releases

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imo the idea with ping with new RC is out is really good idea

many ppl see the announcements tho

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still like nobody cared about nightlys and RC

I honestly have #announcements muted because idc about map releases

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announcements is the only not muted channel on this server for me xD

Many wouldn't opt-in though, would they

@Learath2 many would just to have the role probs

we have news to introduce RC system (edited)

any bot to add/remove role based on reaction emote, and I'm in

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even KoG has one like this

[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

6cd88d3 A Beyond Dreams - ddnet-maps

@Deleted User this server has nearly 2k ppl

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500 online most of the time

we just need to implement cool feature and delay with release, then people naturally will enable pre releases - easy

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well double that

yes, but not everyone plays ddnet always

maybe you could just "borrow" their bot and adopt it with ReleaseTester role

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just for the possible ping

there wont be always be a cool feature

15:26

we shouldnt rely on that

About releases - Do them like in every Monday? unless there's hotfix needed?

we just need an elegant way to let people know about it

I mean, no release this Monday? np, expect in next Monday

I would do releases based on amount of features, not timing

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yeah

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we may have lot of things now

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but there are times where we do nothing

anyway, let's not overcomplicate things for now

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we have RCs, we have them on Steam, next time I'll announce that. I'll also post a nice pic of the fancy background maps in start menu, then people want to try it out

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good idea xd

monkalaugh

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15:30

sunday most productive day

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

ab9684f Add Turkey, Argentina - def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2900 Version 15.0.5

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[ddnet:master] 5 new commits

91d2f89 Version 15.0.5 - def- 7e436ff Don't rely on snapshot for ddnet gametype - Jupeyy df72c0e set the correct variable - Patiga 4e89356 run fix_style script - Patiga bedd559 Merge pull request #2900 from def-/pr-15.0.5 - def-

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[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request closed: #100 Version 15.0.5

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[ddnet-web:master] 2 new commits

c11079a Version 15.0.5 - def- 4a931d1 Merge pull request #100 from ddnet/pr-15.0.5 - def-

Turkey?

@Ryozuki can i get such insight for a person too, or just a repository

on ur profile

@Learath2 yeah, stats showed lots of players and I noticed some have ping > 100 on GER

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

e17fda6 Add countryflags - def-

hmm

New Steam downloads for last week

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wait what ? Germany is not even close to top of the list oO

Yes, Germany has lots of old players and on GER players from all of Europe

also probably alot of ppl are leaving directly

@Deleted User hmm i cant seem to find it for users xd

@Ryozuki yeah nvm xD

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lol

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xD

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im not even github free user

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or that button is misleading

misleading iguess

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@Deleted User

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who should i give my account

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if i die

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monkalaugh

ur children

Give it to me so I can cleanse it of all the shameful weeb stuff

lol

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i bet they added this

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cuz corona

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monkalaugh

deen very constant

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i think he used his account to release maps automatically

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to git

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but idk

yes

ah xD

switched to its own account at some point

but every day?

it was updating the votes.cfg every day i think

oh

switched to only update when a new map is added/changes

I could rewrite history to remove those changes, but then everyone who has ddnet-maps repo will be in pain

or u create 1pr per day for a whole year and ppl will just think u onfire

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even tho u already come close to this anyway

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@deen no reason to rewrite the history

im exactly 100 times lazier than deen xD

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PepeLaugh

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how are you so inactive? Arent you contributing much to ddnet

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i have like 1-2 months per year where im onfire, rest im lazy

All the larger chunks of inactivity is me just not even feeling like waking up

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u all have code review

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i have 0% xd

I dont even have this graph

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show years

@NeXus hm, couldn't find where you add it

i want to know who has oldest account

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ok probs learath

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what did u do there

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I used to not use github intentionally and ran my own git server for many years

mine is from 2014 i think

ah

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nice triangle

deIlluminati

wtf

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so balanced

i commit a lot to my repos

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thats why i have 80% commit

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and less prs

i hate prs, thats why i try to only do big changes xD

@NeXus do u make prs to ur own repos?

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xd

no

@Ryozuki I'd guess that contribution in 2010 is the turkish translation for teeworlds

old code from 2008

https://github.com/def-/sxc

monkalaugh

Ah no, I didn't actually commit anything until 2011

how old r u @deen

on 2008 i was 8 years old

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guess my year

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monkalaugh

i was 12 xd

@Deleted User 30 I think

I added logout to teeworlds and fixed a zoom issue in the ddrace client in as my first two contributions

"you think"

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xD

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justatest

with 18 already so active

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are u a cyborg deen

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wtf

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how can u work so much

.cxx extension looks so ugly tho

oooh, my old website on sourceforge is also still around: http://ajaxwm.sourceforge.net/

oh

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hackerman

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found u

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did sourceforge always made u wait 5 seconds to download?

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xD

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so annoying

xDDDDDDDDD

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hasslich ok

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hässlich

ajaxwm, heh

who would have thought deen did javascript in the past xd

yeah

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i thought he hated it

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maybe this is the reason?

but he already did c++ in 2008

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when i started with c++, there already was c++11 xd

Did we change the UI again btw?

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it was cleaned up

fwiw, I liked the darker background for the bottom filter part

Did we change the UI again btw?

@Learath2 https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/2880

Also observe how cute the curves look on a highdpi display

i like it darker too, but honestly this is still better than the white before (edited)

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generally, white text + white interface

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so ugly xd

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i honestly wonder why this failed soooo hard

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i mean not even close

People like curves I guess

but every modern GUI does not use round edges anymore

Well people here have a liking to the status quo

not enough space here again, ddnet's growing too fast :D

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Observe any tiny change we have tried to do over the years

WTF

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i already increased it to 5 flags per row

yeah but there are like 4 new servers

we should just make it scrollable xD

yeah

else its too annoying xD

On the topic of scrolling, would anyone be interested in porting CScrollRegion from 0.7?

People don't like totally square UI, but I guess making the rounded corners smaller would gain greater approval @Deleted User Depends. Google's Material Design is gaining popularity and is has slightly rounded corners by default - they have started allowing customisation lately though https://material.io/design/shape/about-shape.html#components-and-shape

Material Design

Build beautiful, usable products faster. Material Design is an adaptable system—backed by open-source code—that helps teams build high quality digital experiences.

yeah less round sounds already good

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its also not that round edges are always horrible

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but for example selecting a server in the server browser the white selection color is rounded too

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and that looks just bad

the rounded corners in the client are just a bit too round imo

^ yea

@Ravie Maybe you'd do another sketch of how UI could possibly look, like you did with the start screen? ^^

idk there's way too much stuff to begin with, it's a mess

@Ravie dont want to annoy u but have u tested the editor

you mean that it looks sharper and not buggy?

yes in my pr

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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/runs/1155561482

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/ddnet

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ah sry not about sharpness

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about the new renderer

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for the editor

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so it looks like ingame

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but the sharpness will be fixed too

yeah it looks like in game without the lod -100 fix

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it should look perfect if it gets the same treatment

no i mean it uses 3d textures now for the editor too

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so all tiles are displayed like ingame

yeah I noticed

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it's exactly like in game but without the blur fix

yeah the blue fix is a new pr

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and that will effect everything

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even weapons

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every texture in the game will be sharper

you're making my dreams come true

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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/runs/1155687243

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/ddnet

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u can test it here

weapons look a little too sharp, but I'm guessing it's either this or the blur

well i was thinking about the problem the whole night

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and came to the conclusion that a bias always makes sense like this

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even in 3D

I'll need to make a map with all weapons to compare, sec

sure

the laser looks the most pixelly definitely

@redix did you write a 3D game or tested some 3D game engine, i don't really get away from thinking that trilinear filtering without bias just decreases the image quality, bcs it uses too much of the worse resolution mipmap

shotgun is still a little blurry but before it was a complete mess

@Learath2 i only did the server part and that was in python. my friend did the js client

its also about subpixels @Ravie

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so it wont be perfect ever

yeah I thought so

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it's either sharp and 'jittery' when it moves or blurry interpolation

Ah, whose idea was it @deen?

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I think it's rather cute

yeah noticed that too ravie, especially when u rotate ur weapon ingame

Not sure, it was actually an official graded high school project that we did because we couldn't ssh out of the school network

is it not possible to give them some subtle antialiasing or so?

@redix to tell you what i mean: lets say the driver calculated mipmap 0.5 it would use linear filtering from both mipmaps while linear interpolation from mipmap 0(higher res) would be more than enough

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so it decreases the quality of that pixel

somehow only the laser looks like it's shaking (when it's placed on a map, not in your hand)

@Deleted User nope, but the consent from several forum posts on the internet seems to be, that trilinear has better quailty than bilinear for mipmaps in average. But for 0.6 the driver would use the lower res, which looks worse imo

@Ravie possible that the texture coordinates of one of them arent really correct tho

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@redix yes trilinear with bias looks amazing

in ddnet it's just unlucky that the driver uses level 1 for 1080p

trilinear biased

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nearest mipmap biased

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trilinear not biased

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even if im much closer it looks worse

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tbh mathmatically that would make sense, just bcs linear filtering already uses 4pixels, so if u very close to a lower res mipmap, it should still mostly sample from high mipmap

@Deleted User yeah it sucks that all images in teeworlds are scaled in a different way and not preserve the proportions they have in the .png's

yeah i want to fix this some day

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but its alot of work

so you get stuff like all weapons scaled in a different way, even individual parts of a tee

i dont like that you cannot use any resolution u want

and different scaling means different interpolation/blur

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but if you wanna fix this and keep the ingame sizes how they are then you need to rework all images in the game

i dunno the weapons should stay the same, except you already use a different resolution.. maybe 1-2pixels off

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quads in the editor is smth different

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they dont use texel offsets at all

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if im not mistaken, they should be around 1 pixel bigger in total

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0.5 texels on each side

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ok but streched to the whole image

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maybe less than 1 pixel xd

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hard to say, would need to think about it xd

I mean this

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on the left in game, on the right straight from game.png

wtf are they not scaled the same

grenades have the same size

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and this leads to different amounts of blur

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it's like this on all images in tw

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I guess the worst example is tee feet

they look like they can all be 1:1 cept ninja

wait are that map entities?

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maybe they are scaled different anyway

in ninja game.png is smaller then the game

but we are talking about the ninja u will grap??

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like u see it on the map

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probs its just scaled a bit too look bigger

yeah those are the weapon pick-ups in game

yeah

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ok

imo they should have their size adjusted in the .png tho so they get scaled the same in game

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but tw be tw

yes :D, thats a different story then

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but generally, do you think the bias is ok @Ravie ?

bias = how sharp it is?

yes

it could be a bit less sharp, just how in the other version -1000 was too sharp but -100 perfect

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btw

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monkalaugh

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-100 should be like 0 in this case

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it always uses the nearest mipmap

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if it looks different with -500 than with -100 then -100 is equal to 0 too

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(not for all textures)

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its a bias... its applied on what the GPU calculates

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so tiles might look blurry

well I have no idea what wizardry this is but -100 is simply much sharper than 0

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0

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-100

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well as said, some textures might already be affected

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but if u have 1920x980 pixels, u might get the old result with -100 only

17:42

-500 is like a safe bet

17:42

but will affect more textures

17:42

basically all textures will look sharper

I think I tried -500 as well, but then picked the lowest value that didn't look blurry

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cause too sharp is also not nice

can u give -500 in that pic

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e.g. your weapon looks the same

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so -100 wasnt enough for that

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the screenshot doesn't say much, but when moving the camera around slowly the tile edges are a bit more jittery

mhh u 100% sure?

17:44

it chooses the nearest mipmap rest is same

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so if -100 looks different already -500 won't choose an even higher mipmap

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it should be the same for tiles

well I don't know, -100 just looks softer

17:45

but not blurry

yeah but i couldnt understand why

17:45

its like not possible xD

also -100 has much less distortion when zooming

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like on zoom -1 it goes into blurry mode but when zooming it's good

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default zoom is perfect tho

yeah, i understand why this happens

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just not why it should look worse

17:46

sharper yes, but there is still linear interpolation happening

ok actually maybe -500 looks the same as -100 on default

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but on some zoom levels this happens

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but shouldnt that have happened in ddnet 14 with old gl 3.3 too?

with -500 it onlly seems to happen at one certain zoom level, with -1000 a lot more and with -100 not at all

17:48

nah I would have noticed

i mean it could be a very small difference

17:48

thats the problem with floating points

nah the old one was always just perfect

maybe -450 is already ok, even if its just 0.05 less xD

I can try xD

i'll try too

still happens

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somehow -100 just goes into the blurry mode after even just 1 zoom out

17:49

like it's -1000 on default zoom and 0 when zooming

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but in this case the blur is desirable, it makes the tiles not look pixelly and bad

yeah.. the problem is its also about the drivers impl, i try too with -500, zoomlevel 1 and it looks fine

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on full hd

yeah on default zoom they're pretty much all good except 0

need to test a bit cant tell rn

do you need some gpu specs of my crappy laptop? does that help?

nah its ok

17:53

it could also be that i dont notice it bcs higher refresh rate monitor, so doesnt matter

I don't think the refresh rate matters for a static image

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but maybe it's high res enough that you can't tell

no, i can reproduce that it takes a higher mipmap like u said

17:57

the best would probs be trilinear filtering

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then it would use a tiny bit of the lower quality already

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biased trilinear, also best for 3d

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xd

17:58

@Ravie can u compile stuff?

nah

oh, this DDNet x.x.x is out so annoying for me

18:18

icon in up-right corner would be better imo

what version u using btw

im about screenshot in #announcements kek

kek

well i think its fine there

not at all...

yes at all...

those buttons in down-left corner also "knock out"

...

18:20

no...

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make pr and fix it xd

don't make PR and don't fix it, wait for redesign idea by Ravie

18:32

bluekitty

18:32

(I hope anyone will code it someday)

I think I like this version better

18:33

But if you can change my mind on this very subjective thing, I'll code it

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news on left play buttons in mid

18:34

omg right side player stats

but news need more space

eh

18:35

rather have buttons in middle

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else looks jank

wtf

18:35

looks good imo

if even I'd be for possible switch whether buttons are on left or right, and that's it, perfect one

pls get designer soreu

on the right side maybe show the playername and skin and points

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and maybe like "5 friends online" or idk

@Deleted User it's Ravie's concept

ravie pls get designer xd

this bnut with map background

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/2730#issuecomment-689795540

Adapt 0.7 start menu by def- · Pull Request #2730 · ddnet/ddnet

Supports hotkeys to enter them, escape to go back. Start menu can be disabled in settings. Play goes to the last tab you had open between Internet, LAN, DDNet, KoG. Still missing: News picture Mor...

Hm actually is cuter than I remember

Hmm, you're writing things are cute lately

18:37

yo, @BannZay wanna code that look?

18:37

@Ryozuki oh yeah

I like the word cute, is there a problem with that?

18:40

The word cute is cute

make some cute code woagcat

woagcat

かわいいね

2

2

2

2

brownbear

1

oh no

nope, that's a cute change

Ugly code is sad

he turned weeb tear

tear

Like the saddest thing ever

my code is cute

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and i defend my cute code with rudeness

@Ryozuki what about mine

monkalaugh

18:42

ur is ugly

18:42

like u

18:42

bluekitty

wtf!!!

justatest

Jao vs Ryozuki cage fight when?

@jao the only cute thing is @DDNet

poggers

18:44

ryo goes to gym

to eat pizza here

wut

1

jao goes to his 4ppl village

18:44

to do thiings

jao post the forum screen from ryo

not again

now I'm curious

its me crying cuz ddnet was closing

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when deen closed it

ah, that one, boring

ye

18:45

overused

18:45

bumm killed the meme

it was a good meme

xd

Huh, I dont remember that

thank God not much ppl have evidence of DDHeaven backup plan

xD

DDHeaven?

DDWhat? I know nothing

monkalaugh

Share or

banhammer

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BJB9kidAinM

Teeworlds Fight : Roco vs. Jao [1vs1,Vanilla]

abuse

monkalaugh

*Soreu has been banned*

Teeworlds Fight lmao

delete

Roco > jao

1

@Ravie i dunno if trilinear will be enough, if you look very closely you'll see that trilinear is a tiny bit blurrier, i will just add the commit then you can test it

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will probs take around 10 minutes

18:56

oups wrong

18:56

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/runs/1156738366

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/ddnet

looks really good in this one

yo, @BannZay wanna code that look?

@Soreu no, its kinda the same. I better work on something significant. And I don't like news being in the middle either

q.q

20:04

It's not the same. It's significant first impression for any newcomer

20:07

it's the heart of the client, given to you on an open hand on first sight, creating an everlasting memory which you will remind again and again with ever next launch of the client

20:07

whether you send smile emote to a friend in the server you will see the startup page, because that's where you have clicked the Play button which started it all

20:08

justatest

20:08

whenever you send smile emote*

jungle night will carry hard

20:09

just such an awesome background map

standard bg forever

imagine you open the game, have such a nice background, and maybe a nicer menu

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20:11

would look so insane

heartw

feelsamazingman

20:12

yet @BannZay doesn't see its depth

ddnet: 0.7 sux also ddnet: let's copy everything from 0.7

monkalaugh

2

just the menu

i mean ravies menu has more style for sure

20:13

GO IMPLEMENT IT

yeah

the 0.7 menu doesn't really work here imo

20:13

with all the ddnet things added to it

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and that offcenter update message xD

yes

2

i think the images are the ugliest

20:14

they dont fit the background map

Do vote if people would prefer Ravie's menu style & additional box to see at start if any friend is online? troll

troll

that's what the little window on the right could be for

20:15

either that or player stats

the update thing shouldnt be visible for steam

20:15

and for autoconf it doesnt really matter, bcs u should update anyway xd

20:15

does steam show if update is available? probs not

20:15

anymore xd

autoconf lmao

20:17

@Deleted User u live in the past

no

20:17

why does it show me that its updated then

20:17

without a download box

we dont have autoconf

yes

20:17

but why does it even tell me the new version is out xd

https://www.gnu.org/software/autoconf/

20:17

nouis

@Ryozuki u live in the future

ye

20:17

i live with cmake

where catalandia has independence

by solo ravie (edited)

@Deleted User i think in cmake we turned off autoupdater by default now

that escalated quickly xd

i was just joking cuz u mentioned autoconf

20:18

xdd

@Ryozuki yes

20:18

but it clearly shows an update(NOT DOWNLOADABLE)

20:20

ok maybe it cached it somewhere

20:20

so doesnt matter

20:20

deen will know

Hey guys I am having a problem with ddnet right now. For the past 2 days, my frame rate has been horrid, and I don't know why. It's never been like this before. I have all of the extra graphics and other settings off, and I turned off download skins too, as someone suggested. So, two questions:

20:23

1. Does anyone remember the bind to see your packages sent and fps and ping in the top let corner? I used to know it when I used the teeworlds client years ago, but I forgot it.

20:23

left*

@Deleted User yes, steam versino shows update available, but no update button

can we just not display it on steam maybe?

2. And is this a problem with ddnet or a problem with my computer? This has never happened before so I don't know.

or do u want it

With another special casing for steam?

or just not show it at all else

because we showed it for mac osx, since it doesn't have an autoupdater

idc

20:25

ah

20:25

ok

20:25

then i dunno

20:25

@Toasty Loaf even in the newest version?

@Toasty Loaf ctrl-shift-d

Thanks deen, and yes, I believe I am on the newest version Jupstar. Unless there's a newer update than the one a few days ago

try 15.0.5 just in case

20:27

no need hunting after bugs we fixed already

Ok, do I update in Steam? I can't find a way to update it

if you restart steam it should auto-update

20:28

but if you have steam it should be most recent version actually

it also shows the current version bottom right

How do I check what version I'm on?

f1, top right

ah 15.0.5

20:30

That's the one I'm on

other games work fine?

which autoexec_server.cfg does the ingame launch server button look at? (im on steam version and the one in steamapps/common/DDraceNetwork/ddnet doesn't get selected

it uses the one from config_directory first

let me check @deen

@deen what changed in the sdl built btw?

20:31

something that could affect anything?

20:31

ah nvm its not in the current version yet right?

only the IME stuff: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-scripts/blob/master/ddnet-lib-update.sh#L144

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and yes, not in 15.0.5

Yes @notdeen everything appears fine with other games

it uses the one from config_directory first

@deen k thx

@Toasty Loaf just a few things: older version worked fine? what OS? new pc, old pc?

Also got the thing fixed with my wifi, I'm getting 50 MB now

20:35

Old version worked fine, just yesterday and today it started happening. Windows 10. Newer PC, but I do need to check the hard drive soon. Only thing I can think that may be wrong with my PC

well could always be a driver issue sure

8 gigs ram, 440 gig hard drive. s500CA Asus, so not too old

20:37

driver or hard drive?

normally the harddrive isnt used ingame, except for demo recording maybe, u can try turn it off

20:39

have u updated any driver or was there a windows update

20:39

ur pc is fine for sure

Hmm, haven't updated a driver in 4 months, I updated all at that time. I'll have to check if there was a Windows update, they love to sneak those in

20:42

Last update was 9/9/2020, and that was a minor one. It's telling me I need to update now, but I don't update until I hear from the community that it's not a complete load of crap update, which is usually 50/50 XD

you can try rightclick your windows icon, then go over shutdown->restart that makes a clean windows restart its different from just restarting with the shutdown button

That's what I do every night

20:43

Oh right click?

20:44

like this

That's different from left clicking and hitting restart?

yes

Hmm, never heard of that. I'll try it

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2913 Center update info text, add -DINFORM_UPDATE flag

to be used for Steam release, since autoupdates are enforced anyway and players don't need to be reminded to update !screenshot-20200923@223607

never heard of it too lol

atleast on older windows 10 version it was like that xD

welp that fixed it

Jupstar the magician

3

maybe windows should do RC xdd

monkalaugh

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2798 Add check_dilate (WIP)

21:21

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2776 Try to get econ working

oh nice map background is in

[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

387bc53 ime window position & ime input handling - TsFreddie d4da82f clang-format - TsFreddie d707b38 Merge #2909 - bors[bot]

21:30

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2909 Set IME Window Position & Prevent Input from fighting with IME

to all mappers use these tiles to get the map camera at a specific map position: https://user-images.githubusercontent.com/6654924/93640516-fffafb00-f9fa-11ea-8154-010ee5630c76.png

Embedded image

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u can get the positions from src/game/client/components/menu_background.h

mappers will start caring when we create the RC probably

i just wanted to post it here, so they'll know

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or atleast few ppl know

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then i dont need to tell them xd (edited)

21:36

@deen do u want to rebase?

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or should i

I can do it

@Deleted User additional info like IDs 35-43 & 51-59 would be better than just image, because it took me way too long to figure which ones do you mean xd

no sry

21:41

all 25 work

21:41

1-25

21:41

just couldnt select all xD

also, why CP1 to.... oh, ok, that makes it way nicer

21:42

then just Checkpoint entities to set position, idk what it even means, but sounds like nice feature

the backgroiund map camera moves when u click

oooh

yeah u'll see

but it won't move if no CP / only CP1 will be used?

it will use default values then

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i jjust wanted the possibility for the mappers to control the camera

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so they can say ok ddnet tab is here, kog tab here

Now that sounds like I start to really love your ideas

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can't wait to test it

[ddnet:master] 6 new commits

8235df7 Add menu background map - Jupeyy c0ca296 Add autumn theme by ChillerDragon based on heavens by Sonix- - def- d9719a3 Fix spacing in themes selection - def- 3e78bdc Remove flickering in autumn_night - def- 7fe7d12 Remove tree from autumn icon - ChillerDragon d3691bf Merge #2863 - bors[bot]

21:46

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2863 Add menu background map

@Soreu You can grab the artifact from here: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/runs/1157416621 or wait for the nightly next morning

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/ddnet

I have to wait until end of tomorrow's work anyway

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:c

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but thanks

[ddnet/ddnet-libs] Pull request closed: #14 rebuild SDL2 with IME changes by TsFreddie

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[ddnet-libs:master] 2 new commits

de46e00 rebuild SDL2 with IME changes by TsFreddie - def- f757a19 Merge pull request #14 from ddnet/pr-sdl2-ime - def-

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2914 After initialization: Agressively try to grab window again

Since some users on Windows report window not being initially focussed. Reincarnation of https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/2897 but not for OSX

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[ddnet-scripts:master] 1 new commit

0915afa script updates - def-

why does ctrl+shift+d make u move

mhm? help

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because you press d

it was never like that before

it was

Yea, it's been like that for as long as I can remember

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