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Between 2020-09-17 00:00:00Z and 2020-09-18 00:00:00Z

I didn't show it before. But sure, I still can show it. probably in the end of week. I'll write you in dm.

qtroll

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@heinrich5991 @Deleted User want to review my changes so I can release them soon?

06:54

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/milestone/1

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/ddnet

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2845 Fix spacing in kick-vote menu (center tees and text)

Old: !screenshot-20200917@090205 New: !screenshot-20200917@090226

why do all servers say x/63 in ddnet?

08:37

reserved slot?

08:38

are we making sure we send max(numclients, maxclients) for the maxclients amount?

08:38

64/63 is invalid iirc

yes, for reserved slot

08:43

check the code please

[ddnet/ddnet-libs] Pull request closed: #13 add libwebsockets bundle lib 4.1

10:44

[ddnet-libs:master] 2 new commits

a6cdd67 libwebsockets bundle lib 4.1 - QingGo 66f9e5d Merge pull request #13 from QingGo/libwebsockets-windows-bundle - def-

10:45

[ddnet-libs:master] 1 new commit

7c2ba39 Add libwebsockets built files - def-

10:45

[ddnet-scripts:master] 1 new commit

6293c21 websockets build instructions - def-

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

70b2c84 update cmake file to use libwebsockets bundle - QingGo 616d3bc Merge #2844 - bors[bot]

10:54

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2844 update cmake file to use libwebsockets bundle

10:55

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #2843 maybe add bundle lib of libwebsockets 4.1 for windows

what about if the server prints a message "congratulations to [name/s] for getting (team) rank 1 !" whenever someone finishes a map with rank1 could be for a more immediate and therefore rewarding feeling

[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

2c66f73 Use websockets - def-

@ReD how about just spamming /rank until you get muted, seems to be what most do

11:36

I think it's enough to broadcast it on Discord and ddnet.tw/ranks already

aight

:)

what graphics libraries ddnet client uses? I heard that some clients of TW use SDL2

Yes, SDL2

11:41

and OpenGL

What differences between openGL 3.3 (which you can set in settings)?

11:41

and default one

opengl 3.3 is faster and more modern

11:42

especially faster when you zoom out far

Thanks. I will use it

[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

24526d0 Further websockets build fixes - def-

11:48

[ddnet-scripts:master] 1 new commit

5953999 Build with websockets - def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #2846 inet_ntop does not exist on Windows XP

So I can't build with websockets for now. Alternative could be something like this: https://github.com/libevent/libevent/blob/e5302ac71614abeb283e4c037ca60f10744921d7/evutil.c#L1819 or this: https://stackoverflow.com/questions/12892063/windows-socket-programming-linking-error-for-inet-ntop @QingGo Do you want to take a look?

12:14

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #2847 Websockets Client: Show address with "ws:" in server info and support serverinfo

Allow adding websockets servers to favorites and loading their serverinfo over websockets instead of udp. @QingGo Want to give it a try?

Did I break the background @deen ?

@Deleted User i think so, or was it not transparent before?

yeah u right, goona look into it

oh, apparently I misremembered

no changing ui transparency is broken

13:09

in older it works

strange, now that i test the old client it doesnt work wtf xd 5minutes ago it worked

i think only ingame it's not transparent

13:34

but outside it is, which is probably what confused me

but the transparency suddenly doesnt work

13:39

not even in ddnet 10

13:39

14*

13:39

ah wait

13:39

u mean ingame its transparent

13:39

true

13:40

yeah that works xd

13:43

while we at it @deen should i increase the hover effect of ingame buttons, seems a bit low, bcs rn it uses the ui color and dark colors are still dark (edited)

ok

@deen i can review ur stuff but dunno if i can merge xd

@heinrich5991 @Learath2 May @Deleted User give me bors r+?

i dunno if he already did

13:50

i can just try

Yeah sure, isn't he a reviewer too?

ok works

13:52

then nvm

[ddnet:master] 4 new commits

3cc1e47 Implement on-demand skin downloader (fixes #1166) - def- f42a5a0 Fix clang-format - def- 7b2c714 Remove non-free skins by Lappi (fixes #2547) - def- 77cb30a Merge #2733 - bors[bot]

14:00

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1166 Skin fetcher

14:00

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #2547 CC-BY-NC-SA skin license

14:00

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2733 Implement on-demand skin downloader, remove Lappi's non-free skins (fixes #1166, fixes #2547)

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #2839 Ingame server browser tab change, does not change outgame server browser tab

14:07

[ddnet:master] 4 new commits

4338818 Only make Esc key leave editor when no popup is open - def- 81d30f8 Fix ingame browser tab change (fixes #2839) - def- b5b218d Fix spacing in kick-vote menu (center tees and text) - def- 21e0805 Merge #2836 #2841 #2845 - bors[bot]

14:07

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2845 Fix spacing in kick-vote menu (center tees and text)

14:07

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2841 Fix ingame browser tab change (fixes #2839)

14:12

[ddnet-web:pr-15] 1 new commit

80fd108 Version 15.0 - def-

14:19

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

062c897 Don't exit(1) in video recorder on failure - def- 9ea816c Merge #2817 - bors[bot]

14:19

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2817 Don't exit(1) in video recorder on failure

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

1fe09f4 Add some decent hover effects and colors - Jupeyy da62510 Merge #2840 - bors[bot]

14:27

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2840 [Idea] Add some decent hover effects and colors

i wonder if we can get a key like CSGO for scoreboard to enable GUI cursor, instead of ingame, then we could change sorting etc.

14:49

anyone has an opinion on #2813

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/2813

Sort spectator view by team, then name (not score) (fixes #2808) by...

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

6ce04d9 Server: Only recv new packets when we know they are waiting - def- 65ca97a Merge #2820 - bors[bot]

14:54

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2820 Server: Only recv new packets when we know they are waiting

@deen does #2846 really matter for 15.0? isnt it only for servers anyway, i dunno if someone runs a server on XP but ok xd

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/2846

inet_ntop does not exist on Windows XP · Issue #2846 · ddnet/ddnet

So I can't build with websockets for now. Alternative could be something like this: https://github.com/libevent/libevent/blob/e5302ac71614abeb283e4c037ca60f10744921d7/evutil.c#L1819 or this...

ok it affects all windows, but still duno xd

@Deleted User no, for clients too

15:12

We're shipping websockets support to the clients now

ah alright

next step will be getting a server behind cloudflare and trying to only open websockets instead of udp

for master servers / server list?

15:13

or ingame server

ingame server and serverlist

ok will be an interesting experiment

master server won't support that unfortunately

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2848 fix websockets client link problem in xp

implement a simple version of inet_ntop by myself. I only check that it can work at MacOS. No way for me to check if it work at windows xp now.

why we have so low value for br_max_requests ?

15:26

I used 300 and my browser just Flying comparing to old 25

because for people with bad network connections it can get laggy

sad I didnt know about this setting before

or interrupt other connections in the same network

thought that ddnet is just lagyg

udp is quite agressive on the network

15:27

br_max_requests 300 maxes out at 100 KB/s for me

I dont know if there solution but default 25 with all countries selected is very sad settings imo

15:28

I mean it takes a while to load

Having a static setting will never be perfect, and checking how many responses don't arrive also doesn't work since we don't know if the server is just down

15:28

but you could argue that since the start of DDNet internet speeds have improved so we could set it to a higher level

I thoug about some sort of average ping for countries, so user will pay attention on flags we have in settings

15:30

All this time I thought it just some internal sever setting but not real server location

I highly doubt ws would be any use for us

Learath Have you selected countries in your browser?

i am not sure either

@Learath2 why? no more spoofing

I tried, was wondered about boost in load

TCP has to many disadvantages

Hey bois and girls. Lost the link to the censoring item. Where can i find it again? Really want to stay up to date with that feature

I bet cloudflares protection is much better optimized for one of those next-gen sites that has a "real-time" interaction with the server. Like whatsapp web

15:32

I'd guess it'll behave like shit under the high throughput we need

15:33

Maybe it'll be helpful for serverinfo though, where spoofing matters yeah

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #2846 inet_ntop does not exist on Windows XP

wow, someone plays on wxp

@Stepfunn https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/2812 ?

Add client feature to censor words · Issue #2812 · ddnet/ddnet

As requested by a streamer, it makes streaming services unhappy when people use words like nigger etc.

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

b5592cc fix websockets client link problem in xp - QingGo 557c212 Merge #2848 - bors[bot]

15:38

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2848 fix websockets client link problem in xp

Yes I think websockets with cloudflare will get us a better protection from ddos.

oh, but we will also need to pass the domain when we connect on websockets to support cloudflare

15:43

otherwise they can't know where we want to go

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2849 Increase br_max_requests to 100

As suggested by BannZay on Discord. We scale down when we notice that no responses arrive. The idea is that player's internet has become faster than when DDNet started, so increasing the default is ok.

btw, maybe close #2786

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/2786

Windows Defender Detects DDNet.exe 14.7.1 as Trojan:Win32/Wacatac.G...

After yesterday's ddos on GER1, Windows Defender has removed DDNet.exe If the exe is put into the same directory, it will be removed again. Using a completely new directory still works, so ...

maybe we could use chn1.ddnet.tw or something like that

Yeah, we could test it on one server in GER and one in CHN

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #2786 Windows Defender Detects DDNet.exe 14.7.1 as Trojan:Win32/Wacatac.G!ml

yes

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #2850 websockets with domain instead of ip needs to pass the domain when connecting

for cloudflare support @QingGo interested?

15:46

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #2851 Support favoriting servers by domain and not ip

I think Pure_luck (on Discord) was interested in implementing this. This is a bit more complicated than I thought, just reverse-dnsing the ip won't work for all cases, for example cloudflare. So instead we'd need to remember the domain used to connect.

@Deleted User ^

Forgot wireshark open

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haha

2.5Gs of packets

In fact, I have been traveling in recent days, so it may take a few days before I have time.

np

@deen thanks, but

I think Pure_luck (on Discord) was interested in implementing this

you haven't added that it will take anywhere from 6 months to 6 years to me if I will implement this

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but maybe I underestimate my noob power

15:49

and noob will to implement things ofc. I've decided to shutdown a second server for now

15:50

cause it's hard to switch between them and get people from one to another

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and atm I am consumed adding features to my mod and managing it's community, sorry that was the easiest solution for me (edited)

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@deen 1h enough for the announcement?

15:59

its very single sided anyway

@Soreu Yea that one. But found it myself already

Thanks tho

16:06

Hope someone finds the time to do it pretty soon. Would be Pog

@Deleted User yeah

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

3832d94 Sort spectator view by team, then name (not score) (fixes #2808) - def- 93e592d Merge #2813 - bors[bot]

16:14

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #2808 Sort players in spectator mode alphabetically regardless of their rank

16:14

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2813 Sort spectator view by team, then name (not score) (fixes #2808)

@Learath2 could you test https://ddnet.tw/downloads/DDNet-nightly-osx.dmg please? Websockets build.

How operational is it supposed to be?

you can connect from client to server with ws:127.0.0.1 in host address

16:23

I'm mostly worried for the linking

16:23

serverinfo does not work either

16:24

ah, I forgot the path in DDNet-Server

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oops, that path is totally wrong

16:25

so I got both wrong

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #2842 Turn on Anti-Ping by default

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2849 Increase br_max_requests to 100

16:34

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

3e58d8b Increase br_max_requests to 100 - def- 514e974 Merge pull request #2849 from def-/pr-max-requests - def-

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2830 Version 15.0

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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

7dd611a Version 15.0 - def- 8ad6482 Merge pull request #2830 from def-/pr-15 - def-

Wait really? :d

16:35

Did we merge everything

[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

41996fe OSX libwebsockets linking fix - def-

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[ddnet-web:pr-15] 1 new commit

a767f0e Version 15.0 - def-

YEEEEE

YEEEEE

YEEEEE

@Learath2 Jupeyy was busy

@Learath2 have you already published some work related to the dissector?

No I want to get it to more than an ugly toy before publishing it

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Tomorrow or the day after I'll have something probably

[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

f2ec3c4 copy-paste error - def-

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[ddnet:15.0] 1 new commit

f2ec3c4 copy-paste error - def-

@Learath2 https://ddnet.tw/downloads/DDNet-15.0-osx.dmg works?

downloading

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The server is not finding it's datadir

huh, is that a new problem?

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I don't think we changed anything there

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if it also doesn't work in 14.7.1 then I'll just release

Can you host a ws server I can try connect to?

17:21

The macOS launcher and the server executable are a bit of a mess, I think the very out of date shim needs replacing

not currently, sorry

17:22

if the client starts, I'm already happy enough

17:22

thanks for checking

I'll patch the shim later

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atleast it doesn't break any feature that worked in 14.7.1

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request closed: #98 Version 15.0

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[ddnet-web:master] 2 new commits

a767f0e Version 15.0 - def- d6da67e Merge pull request #98 from ddnet/pr-15 - def-

thanks!

Would have been nice if I could finish the data integrity patch

oooh

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it was still in draft, right?

17:25

i didn't check the drafts

Yeah, I was too slow

Well, I mostly wanted to get the font fix out, rest was just nice to have

Doing like 5 things rn, that one got a bit neglected

We can do another release when it's done

I kinda wanted to get it in before we do any other autoupdates

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But I guess we didn't touch any data this time, so it's fine

@Deleted User nice ui changes

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poggers

@deen @Learath2 https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/2214 what do u think about a join queue? would that be abused in some way? most games do this

Rework reconnect to the server when it is full · Issue #2214 · ddne...

If server is full we spam server with connect attempts, this way we are getting "Too many connections in a short time" in return. Why would not we request server status before doi...

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maybe the current protocol makes this hard tho

is it allowed to write here for help?

#questions if its not technical

it is technical because after update, his client doesn't start xd

always say atleast the os

idk, talk to him in #questions

openbsd

lol

openbsd best xd

https://github.blog/2020-09-17-github-cli-1-0-is-now-available/

GitHub CLI 1.0 is now available - The GitHub Blog

GitHub CLI brings GitHub to your terminal. It reduces context switching, helps you focus, and enables you to more easily script and create your own workflows. Earlier this year, we announced the beta of GitHub

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this might be good, i wont need to see the white website that burns my eyes

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https://cli.github.com/

Take GitHub to the command line

wtf why do we have 2 deens xD

@Deleted User one is a fake that dms ppl asking for credit cards

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he should be banned

^

poggers

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XD

https://discord.com/channels/252358080522747904/252358080522747904/755446829558136892

More connections to keep track of on the server, more attack surface

justatest

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DoS gang

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thought so

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https://blog.rust-lang.org/inside-rust/2020/09/17/stabilizing-intra-doc-links.html

Intra-doc links close to stabilization | Inside Rust Blog

Want to follow along with Rust development? Curious how you might get involved? Take a look!

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poggers

@deen no https://ddnet.tw/news/ about new release?

steam rls missing too

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oops, forgot the steam release

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done now

18:46

and you could always switch to beta version on steam to get nightly builds

got a report that ddnet steam on windows showed the auto updater

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can someone confirm?

18:48

Embedded image

oh no

18:49

Hm, but there is an #ifdef(CONF_AUTOUPDATE) and I build steam version with -DAUTOUPDATE=OFF

yeah thats why im asking for confirm.. but i asked him 5 times xD

i dont get it

if its really steamv ersion xD

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18:49

this is what mine looks like

the question is, when u at 14.7 on steam does it show autoupdate

idk how to go back to 14.7

i dunno if u can tbh

can someone confirm?

@Deleted User it didnt show me the update button on steam

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linux version tho

I mean someone could just put another DDNet.exe in steam directory

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that would explain showing the update button

sure, its no garantuee, but he normally isnt a very technicual guy

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2nd guy confirmed

18:53

steam on windows shows update

oh god, learn and news reappeared to main menu (edited)

18:53

need to fix russian translate again xd

@deen ^

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my text

I still have 14.7 Steam on PC (W10x64) so will check in less than 2h

I can't explain how that happens

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@Soreu well, Steam will probably not let you run it

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without upgrading

@Soreu u'd need to cancel the steam download fast

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or maybe start steam in offline mode

but I can download old steam version that I uploaded myself

ok

so I can test it locally

is the ddnet logo upscaled?

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@Deleted User yeah, can confirm. @heinrich5991 any idea why CONF_AUTOUPDATE is defined when -DAUTOUPDATE=OFF

btw when i click run server, it doesnt shwo on lan tab

@Ryozuki but it's running?

how can i know

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Windows? There should be a console window opening

linux

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uh oh

steam

oh...

19:00

Turns out no one tests my beta versions and reports if things work

make louis tester

xd

but did linux work for u?

yes

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but on Steam it indeed doesn't work...

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i changed the name of DDNet-Server.exe and got this

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but if i change it back it shows the error message

the hover effect

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rly makes the serverbrowser

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feel morem odern

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big change

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more modern*

ok, i know hat the problem is

19:03

with run server

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I got a huge bug

main menu remake, now we need editor remake :O

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #2852 New scrollbar not rendered exactly at the top

When its at the top there is a little margin !image At the bottom there is no margin !image

wtf why do i see weird skins

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did they add a skin grabber

yes

ye

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it downlaods skins

can i make any skin and have it grabbed or is it only database

from database

nouis skin is in database

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feelsamazingman

thats so stupid omg

disable it

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we had to remove so many skins

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no its a good feature but some skins in database are weird

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i wish i could disable some and not others

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let's delete the bad ones from db

1

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and keep only good ones

1

ugh

same as maps

btw if u uncheck download skins, downloaded skins still show so maybe have the option just only show default ddnet skins?

this will cause lot of drama

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i see it

the download skins just means automatically download skins right

ye

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like bruh

very interesting, control panel doesnt localize

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got my vim editor to another level lol

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for me especially

so after you download them unchecking it still means the already downloaded skins are in there

yes

on steam version and on own-compiled

[ddnet:master] 4 new commits

5e60526 Update translations - def- da4a8c7 Fix running server from other directory - def- 2221881 Version 15.0.1 - def- 003192e Default to autoupdater off - def-

@gerdoe thanks, will fix

Can you shorten the Search/Exclude/Server ip boxes? You can't even type that much in it

and main menu's "Play" unlocalized (edited)

@gerdoe no one translated it yet

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

9da149f Localize control settings - def- 3945ae4 Update German translation - def-

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[ddnet:15.0.1] 2 new commits

9da149f Localize control settings - def- 3945ae4 Update German translation - def-

There are so many ugly tees in both the database and shipped by default that I have always started every fresh download by cleaning up :f

yeah, even worse are the artifacts

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looks really cheap imo

still better than invisible ones

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or plain black

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Who wants to do group for cleaning up the skins database from crap? @louis ?

@louis @Soreu you have permissions or should I give them to you?

i can clean up a bit but there should be more than 1 person deciding

before people start getting used to the bad skins

idk where to edit it

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and dont have perms

https://ddnet.tw/skins/edit

Someone mentioned I still have access, though will have to remind myself the access info

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nvm, got in

@louis I need an htpasswd line generated for you, then I can permissions for you too

@deen Will do it with him and try to get someone else to help deciding

something like this: https://macminiosx.github.io/passwd-generator/

so that it won't be only 2 persons opinion

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@Ravie ?

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@mind ?

@Ravie same for you, htpasswd line and you have access if you want ^

@deen things that need to be localized: main menu -> Play serverbrowser -> Server search: ; Exclude: ; Search ; players (unlocalized) ; servers(unlocalized) ; Name ; Type ; Map ; Players ; Ping

@Deleted User was it just not dilated maybe?

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@gerdoe grab the file from https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/tree/master/data/languages and send me an updated version

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/ddnet

nah, that skin was just created in wrong way in the first place

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dilate won't help

no, im about client

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19:36

what do i choose

md5 is ok

client just dont localize it

Oh

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@gerdoe but it localized them for me

hm strange

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need to update master maybe

@gerdoe are you sure you updated the translations?

19:37

because those strings are new

@Soreu if u mean plain black black tee, that is atleast used regulary

I know, sadly

19:38

though plain white could be customized for black aswell, while still allowing different colors

can u have true black with our color limitations?

Can't we?

no

Time to update the feature then monkaS

monkaS

:D, 0.7 just fixed would be nice for sure

19:40

but 0.7 tees look very strange, bcs feets and stuff isnt properly rendered

@Deleted User feel free to start with this: https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/2055 xD

Bug with skin custom colors · Issue #2055 · ddnet/ddnet

Take for example the PsychoWolfe skin, because it is truly white. With custom colors disabled, of course both the body and feets are white. But if you enable custom colors, and drag Lht. sliders to...

i dont thing its a bug

can someone help pls i cant open the game, it starts up and after the loading bar is full it closes

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after i updated it

what OS?

windows 10

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doesnt work with steam

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or with normal

dont remove beast

@deen was libwebsockets the "biggest" change which could cause crashes?

I guess

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@I.K.U were you on 14.7.1 before?

i think so

@I.K.U as a workaround you can try downloading 14.7.1 from https://ddnet.tw/downloads website. does that work?

idk

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ima try

@Ryozuki Not going to, still have to admit it's one of the greatest ones

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@deen It didn't work for @Deleted User until he removed all files and did totally clean "reinstall"

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just so you know

he used autoupdated

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r

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iirc

@Soreu but then also 15.0?

it works with older client

why does the client need websockets tho

they want to try a websocket based server

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for ddos

websocket is tcp right

console spams: [2020-09-17 21:45:59][http]: task failed. libcurl error: The requested URL returned error: 404 Not Found [2020-09-17 21:45:59][http]: http https://skins.ddnet.tw/skin/kitty_coala_cammostripes.png

why not just use tcp directly

does cloudflare work with tcp directly?

ah

19:46

idk

@murpi yeah, that happens when people use skins we don't have in db

19:47

I guess I could mute them

does websocket suffer from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Head-of-line_blocking

Head-of-line blocking

Head-of-line blocking (HOL blocking) in computer networking is a performance-limiting phenomenon that occurs when a line of packets is held up by the first packet. Examples include input buffered network switches, out-of-order delivery and multiple requests in HTTP pipelining.

@I.K.U i could imagine your firewall blocking us. Could you try temporarily disabling it?

@deen eh, my fault

@Ryozuki yes

19:48

so it is worse when you have packet loss, but better when we have DoS

cool, interested seeing how it goes

19:49

but some poor dudes with slow internet might be affected xd

19:49

or maybe not (?)

yes

19:51

eeeee had a suggestion for that, to open multiple connections and use them to prevent that problem

19:51

but we haven't implemented it

@deen, sorry, but anyway

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19:51

other strings are okey, great

19:52

on german language same

with the recent update, my game get's extremely choppy after awhile (due to alt-tabbing alot?) not sure what the cause is but the only solution is to restart the game edit: looks like enabling opengl fixed it. guess it was disabled prior to the update? (edited)

@gerdoe thanks, will fix

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

94f307a Update persian.txt too - def- d5648f5 Fix localizing in browser - def-

yep, thank you too

19:55

now i can sleep well with think that ddnet's translation is fine xd

[ddnet:15.0.1] 2 new commits

94f307a Update persian.txt too - def- d5648f5 Fix localizing in browser - def-

will release in ~30 min

@Soreu I can help, but with me it will go down to <100 skins in no time

20:04

@Ravie one rule: you can't decide to delete your own skins

troll

1

but my old ones suck

otherwise those would be gone in no time

20:05

see?

20:05

^^

make a list and vote

[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

6481138 Add Russian update by gerdoe - def-

"start server" freezes the game for me (linux, steam)

20:06

*run server

20:07

into a state where i cant close it properly

that's weird, it should just fail to find the file (will be fixed in 15.0.1) and not run anything

ah this time it just crashes

20:10

so when i start it via steam it crashes, when starting it via console everything works

yeah, it's my bad

20:11

but when it fails it shoud not crash

Assertion 'pa_atomic_load(&(b)->_ref) > 0' failed at ../pulseaudio/src/pulsecore/memblock.c:682, function pa_memblock_unref(). Aborting.

can we get an nightly without websockets to be sure its that xd

@Patiga hm, I just call exit(1) after execv. I assume the execv fails, I assumed exit(1) after that in the forked process should be ok

that sounds like the forked process not properly dying

@Deleted User will take a bit, I'm still building the 15.0.1

20:15

@heinrich5991 exactly, but why?

idk. atexit stuff?

ooooh

20:16

didn't think about that, how do we enforce a hard exit without atexit

there should be docs about that somewhere

_exit

I mean spawning a process is nothing obscure

20:18

perhaps use posix_spawnp if also available on osx

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

0e4f526 Version 15.0.1 - def-

@deen i skipped most stuff from today, but would it be an idea to have a client test team. With different os and PC's so we can take care of it before releasing. Announce that we need to test it and what changes are made and there will be people testing. But right now nobody even knows there is a new beta version or nightly build which need to be tested i guess.

so now server browser uses websocket? or not yet?

is there a ddnet browser now? (edited)

20:41

why is ddnet not compat with bam anymore?

not yet

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20:43

is autoupdater supposed to show on steam

@deen , seems there is a problem with "update now" as mentioned above

should be fixed with 15.0.1

yup

I am completely lost with the concept of new home page... are not tabs Internet, Lan, DDNet, etc supposed to be hidden when you select settings tab?

the edges of the menu cursor look a little wonky btw

what do u mean

cant exactly tell, something just looks off if u look at it for a long time

20:55

its probably just me lol

Wtf 0.7 DDNet ugly af

2

u can skip the main menu

its only the start

Idc

well ppl dont care about u too

20:56

xd

not gonna update for 5 years now

ur not even using the last version

20:56

even before this upd

everyone care about me

maybe sp someone

20:56

but mostly no one

20:56

xd

Im literally the most important part of teeworlds community

20:56

ur nobody

lol

20:57

ur nobody

20:57

literally

ur

most ppl think of u as a pain in the ass

20:57

with reason

most people are rtrdd like u

ah poor you

dumbzoozki

well you are lucky

20:58

this is open source

20:58

with a free libre license

20:58

modify the client to ur liking

yes ill accidently write // in a specific line to make @noby happy

20:58

justatest

i have the patch for that

20:58

xdd

20:58

saved

ban

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20:59

cuz

fv

when i sent it here

20:59

heinrich removed it

20:59

fast

20:59

i laughed

kek

20:59

everyone should zooz everywhere

21:00

i didnt modify my client since they removed bam

omg

21:00

xddd

client still crashes after update xd

atm lags differ so much from typical ones. Is that other source of lags or client prediction was changed ?

@ᶰ°Konͧsti dont tell me, u also dislike the spec tee u can see now

yes i do

xddd

its cool

21:01

But it can make trolling hard

21:01

feelsbadman

???

21:01

ah

21:01

well

troll

@deen sad news, starting the server and then clicking on lan crashes the client on steam

-don't update client since 2015 -cry at every update

xddd

21:02

@ᶰ°Konͧsti u must also dislike the fix when the other is in solo and ur not and it glitches ur movement visually

21:03

if u touch

justatest

21:03

Best feature

i fixed it btw

21:03

ddnet networh character best

21:03

@ᶰ°Konͧsti yea u cannot troll anymore with super in test server

21:03

with that

21:03

sad for u

wasnt able to figure this out quickly by myself: is there some hard limit on the size of images/sound file in maps? (not talking about unreasonably large files, just if there is some set limit)

yes

well probably ur ram

21:04

or vram

64 i think

ah

wat

64 what

21:04

meters

21:04

feets

textures

@deen sad news, starting the server and then clicking on lan crashes the client on steam

@Ryozuki cannot reproduce on windows

xd

not talking about unreasonably large files :p

oh

21:04

u mean quantity or size

on Testserver its ugly but u can actually collide

its a different thing

size

@Patiga 2GB due to the use of 32bit offsets

When one has super

but quantity is also interesting

there is a map

21:05

that is 2gb

21:05

i think

21:05

sp someone made it to troll

21:05

i think

no he made it to test compression

Im sp someone

3mb was the max size for the ddnet map

u troll

SP Someone would never troll

ye he is a saint

ik

21:05

it was interesting test

@ᶰ°Konͧsti

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we should Limit maps to 1mb

do u dislike this new browser too?

2

abuse

@Deleted User so 64 images and 64 sound files?

I hate these shit maps with 2mb just because trashy 4k design

the question was for konsti xd

Wtf is wrong with that browser lmfao

21:06

ugly as hell

what

21:07

it looks better than ever

21:07

xd

I am Konsti`s lawyer

well i agree the yellow is a bad choice

uh oh the mirror build actually downloaded a mirror for konsti, not an alt link to the download

nouis

1

nouis

oldschool maps have best design

f4

nouis

1

So easy and clear

oldschool map design = gradient + default tiles

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Almost no useless trash

21:08

Madlex best mapper

21:09

I released that map

@BannZay damn...

didnt finish yet

madlex cant finish his own maps

kek

1

ChillerDragon u there maybe?

nouis

lmao when we tryharded the enchanted clearing

@deen did u see my report?

Real insane map

@Ryozuki no

open server in menu, go to lan tab = crash

yes

with steam

i thought bannzay reported that

ah

i can reproduce that locally

didnt see

21:11

justatest

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i cant reproduce that @Ryozuki on windows

21:11

but i do get a lot of lag when i join the lan server

Imagine using windows

it only crashes with steam

kek

ye on steam too

@Ryozuki no, websockets build crashes

@deen should the server close when u close the client?

21:12

oh

I'll rebuild 15.0.2

i have to enable websockets

21:12

forgot

21:12

but my client left the server open after closing the client xd

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

9717d03 Don't call atexit in forked process - def- 3983bfe Version 15.0.2 - def-

i recompiled with ur changes

21:14

and it crashed

yeah, I'll just disable websockets for release

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no code change required

i also find this pink messages

21:15

xD

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #2853 LAN tab crashes with websockets

@QingGo ``` Thread 1 "DDNet" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault. 0x00007ffff7594b0f in memmove_avx_unaligned_erms () from /usr/lib/libc.so.6 (gdb) bt #0 0x00007ffff7594b0f in memmove_avx_unaligned_erms () at /usr/lib/libc.so.6 #1 0x0000555555c53b01 in std::cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits, std::allocator >::operator=(std::cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits, std::allocator >&&) () #2 0x000055555577577a in websocket_callback(lws*, lws_callback_reaso...

on windows 15.0.1 work fine. Just client console stays open when you leaves the game. So you cannot start client via steam

@deen Is there a way to export the skin DB data to any file, so that author, release date etc could be included in a backup?

lovely c++ stl bloat

21:17

std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >::operator=(std::__cxx11::basic_string<char, std::char_traits<char>, std::allocator<char> >&&) ()

21:17

ah yes thx

21:17

xDDD

Because even though we will remove some skins, it would be good to add them i.e. to ChillerDragon's TeeworldsDB so that they are not lost

maybe move them to another directory?

21:18

skins autodownloaded vs all skins?

@heinrich5991 they are talking about removing skins from the ddnet database

21:18

the website

yes, me too

that would get confusing

another directoy will be nice imo

better than inevitably losing them

so I'd honestly be for everything in general DB and quality ones in DDNet's one that would be auto downloaded

Well, we could add a flag for each skin in the skin db that says whether a skin should be autodownloaded

21:21

but I also think it's ok if we just host the high quality ones

21:21

and people can point the skin downloader at TeeworldsDB if they want all

though flag-thing seems nice solution for easy managing

can anyone confirm the 64 image quantity limit for maps? (maybe also for map sounds?)

Is there easy setting to change the db link?

cl_skin_download_url

@Soreu anything we don't host ourselves will inevitably get lost. please consider just moving the skins somewhere else

hmmm, can one skin be in more than one skinpack?

@heinrich5991 you could also implement the flag

then we could just create skinpack named "autodownload"

21:24

"moving them somewhere else" is beyond our access/knowledge, so that'd have to be done by one of you

21:25

SkindDB is quite simple in its moderation options

just give me a tar of the current skins, I guess I can host them @deen

@heinrich5991 so we decide to just host a selection of good skins?

that seems to be the simplest option right now, yes

Could you perhaps just code allowing more than one skinpack for a single skin?

21:30

@deen downloaded, thanks

I think @heinrich5991 should just archive the old crap like he does with maps and we clean up the official site

Well, prepare for the rage of Aoe when he notices 00's skins are no longer there xd

21:31

oh yes pls

21:33

remove them

21:34

@Soreu will u kill my only skin btw

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21:34

justatest

keep onion.png

yes

21:34

ravie knows

keep uniqueclanskin

that will be kept

21:35

its high quality

@Tezcan Feel free to download them

@Deleted User after loading ~68 images and lagging out my computer i want to conclude that there is no limit in sight

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They don't belong in official database as they are personal skins of specific clan

21:35

lmao Patiga

wasnt this

21:35

about quality vs crap

too

u just added that requirement tho

21:36

aoe skins are crap

Image attachment

21:36

so they should be removed

not me actually, that's why I'm not doing it alone

its still is a cool skin with just a u on the hat

21:36

soo...

yeah

21:36

it doesnt even have a name

yeah!

now you're talking about https://ddnet.tw/skins/skin/aaa.png which is not a part of Bandana Brothers skins

Embedded image

kintaro skin

21:37

legend

21:37

ah wait

21:37

its aaa

21:37

kintaro looks rly like it

i used kintaro years ago

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Exactly

https://ddnet.tw/skins/skin/00kintaro.png this was kintaro tho

Embedded image

ye

21:38

cool kid

Good mapper

21:38

Amazing

21:38

Jailbreak series justatest

justatest

justatest

justatest

justatest

rip ante

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21:38

another legend

feelsbadman

he doesnt evne use that skin tho

half of those are legends tho

xd

and I actually liked Aoe's skin (one of them)

He uses

nouis

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Aoe skin is super ugly

21:39

Like the ugliest skin of all

xDD

21:39

look at this

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tf

Image attachment

21:39

first ddnet perma ban

who is kayu

21:39

tho

poggers

21:40

maybe kayumi

21:40

but i dont think so

Oh

the thing is the skin names will have ____clan right

21:40

so its not fair to keep some and purge others

omg they deleted kamillentee skin

21:40

feelsbadman

ao0e skins dont have clan in them

21:40

just a 00 at the start

21:41

so they appear in front

21:41

on the list

21:41

cuz when ddnet started

21:41

aoe skins were the most famous

Aoe skin shit

21:41

Never understood why he was famous

i think its there in the story of ddnet

shorefire skin seems good xd

cuz he made videos talking

and people liked to listen to his super ugly voice

when no one else did that

21:41

probs

21:41

well

cus hes og youtuber

hallowed made streams

21:42

but thats it

justatest

@heinrich5991 @deen how hard would it be to allow skin be in more than one skinpack?

and good at the game at the beginning

aoe is nobo

21:42

Cenarrius was good

21:42

And aMu

21:42

And wudl

@ᶰ°Konͧsti https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6z1UrADBBI

Interview mit Deen(deen) von DDNET(Teeworlds) [FullHD]

Aoe shit

hallowed legend

kek

i dont understand the interview

21:42

tho

21:42

sad german

I watched all teeworlds videos at that time

same

21:43

it was basically artkis and cenarrius

21:43

https://www.youtube.com/user/TeeworldsTeacher

TeeworldsTeacher

21:43

xD

[ddnet-scripts:master] 2 new commits

26666d5 update: Handle executables, files directly in data - def- 8a4c80e build.sh improvement - def-

@ᶰ°Konͧsti lmao they are playing

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like rn?

poggers

ye rn

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

c7878c3 Version 15.0.2 - def-

@Ryozuki lmao hallowed asking deen for plans for new features and deen answers "we will see if 0.7 will be released and if we port DDNet to 0.7 then"

21:46

kek

21:46

justatest

21:46

kek

xD

[ddnet-scripts:master] 1 new commit

6de2f57 Disable websockets for now (15.0.2) - def-

21:49

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

6b501df Update settingscommands - def-

@ᶰ°Konͧsti rip

21:54

@ᶰ°Konͧsti aoe didnt even talk to u xddd

i want to report a bug!

21:58

when i try to import a image with the resolution 131072x2 into a map, ddnet crashes

21:58

Thread 4 "DDNet" received signal SIGFPE, Arithmetic exception.
[Switching to Thread 0x7fffed521640 (LWP 43352)]
0x0000555555605c47 in CCommandProcessorFragment_OpenGL::Rescale(int, int, int, int, int, unsigned char const*) ()
(gdb) bt
#0  0x0000555555605c47 in CCommandProcessorFragment_OpenGL::Rescale(int, int, int, int, int, unsigned char const*) ()
#1  0x0000555555607e3b in CCommandProcessorFragment_OpenGL3_3::Cmd_Texture_Create(CCommandBuffer::SCommand_Texture_Create const*) ()
#2  0x0000555555608dae in CCommandProcessorFragment_OpenGL::RunCommand(CCommandBuffer::SCommand const*) ()
#3  0x000055555560c9d2 in CCommandProcessor_SDL_OpenGL::RunBuffer(CCommandBuffer*) ()
#4  0x0000555555602d28 in CGraphicsBackend_Threaded::ThreadFunc(void*) ()
#5  0x00005555555efbd8 in  ()
#6  0x00007ffff7c7f3e9 in start_thread () at /usr/lib/libpthread.so.0
#7  0x00007ffff5728293 in clone () at /usr/lib/libc.so.6

if anyone is curious

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/1 https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/2 https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/3 https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/4 https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/5 https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/6 https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/7

Show time of player you're spectating · Issue #1 · ddnet/ddnet

Probably difficult since spectators don't have a character?

Fix strong/weak with /lock · Issue #2 · ddnet/ddnet

Sometimes after killing with /lock on, a player doesn't get real strong, but some halfway thing. Generally strong depends on the time when you kill. With /lock both die at the exact same moment.

Fix autorecording with dummy and 2 clients · Issue #3 · ddnet/ddnet

Maybe even normal autorecording doesn't always work?

Timeout Protection is still buggy sometimes · Issue #4 · ddnet/ddnet

[03:46:35] aaa: i just got the timeout bug u showed me on ur server [03:47:02] aaa: i had a client in /pause locked on players, then i went to desktop and afk [03:47:05] aaa: when i came back i cou...

Timeout Protection doesn't work for dummy · Issue #5 · ddnet/ddnet

uhm i didnt mean to

21:59

i want to report a bug!

21:59

^

lol

22:00

@Deleted User a graphics crash ^

131072x2 resolution??? xd

well

btw u are using old cleint?

22:07

rigfht?

the one before 15.0.2

22:07

@Ryozuki pls update aur heartw

heartw

22:08

that doesnt qualify as old client tho, does it?

no

22:09

rescale doesnt exist

22:09

since 15.0

huh

i removed thjat function

22:09

bcs it was buggy

darn i cant select my image there

22:10

does the steam binary not use /usr/share/ddnet?

updating it

where should i put my own mapres btw?

22:10

thx!

@Patiga done

thx, got it

22:14

@Deleted User you're right, it doesnt crash here

I'd like to report a bug too with the newest update. All servers show 700+ ping in the menu, but when I join it's normal ping. Not too bad, just hard to find servers near me without searching USA.

22:17

Used to happen before update also, but after like 5 refreshes it would stabilize. Now it doesn't stabilize at all

@Toasty Loaf Try f1, br_max_requests 25

22:18

your internet is quite slow, right?

22:18

@Deleted User oh, the rescale/resize thing could also be causing client not to start

22:19

I released 15.0.2 without websockets now

Why without?

to buggy

crashed

22:20

@Ryozuki I think the server should keep running after client is closed, but not 100% sure

What ws were even used for?

but it's annoying that steam then doesn't close

22:20

the plan was to use websockets for official servers as a test

i dont think it should keep

22:20

whats the utility

Well keep alive connections are good and frames are cheaper than http

22:21

So I agree

@Deleted User 2-3 fps after release sounds like rescale too: https://steamcommunity.com/app/412220/discussions/0/2952628008358995979/?tscn=1600380825

MacOs game cannot be launched. :: DDraceNetwork General Discussions

The game that I play every day has stopped even today, please I want you to find a solution, thank you.

22:21

@Ryozuki alright, I guess

22:23

I'll provide a fix

22:23

but won't release it right away

justatest

that worked @deen Thx!

22:24

and yeah, my isp is messing up badly rn

if more people have this problem we should probably keep the old default

I'm supposed to be getting 200 mb, but I'm jumping from .1 to 10 to 40 back to .1 XD

i once had a router that couldnt handle 100 open connections, when torrenting and it shut down the net completly, i bought another router and it was fixed xD

Why doesn't it show amount of markers / demo length until I select the demo file?

Image attachment

click fetch info

oh

heartw

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

d89f20b Updat servers + funding - def-

22:31

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

5f1fb88 Forgot Persian - def-

ddnet steam working?

@Soreu because fetching info can be super slow on a hard disk with many demos

22:33

@Spooky it should

doesn't fully load in and then kicks me out

22:33

for some reason

@Spooky even after the most recent update?

yea

@Deleted User I'm guessing your scale change is causing this

@Deleted User it still doesnt like my super important 1024x1048576 image :/

Thread 4 "DDNet" received signal SIGSEGV, Segmentation fault.
[Switching to Thread 0x7fffed521640 (LWP 57864)]
0x000055555560766b in CCommandProcessorFragment_OpenGL::Resize(int, int, int, int, int, unsigned char const*) ()
(gdb) bt
#0  0x000055555560766b in CCommandProcessorFragment_OpenGL::Resize(int, int, int, int, int, unsigned char const*) ()
#1  0x000055555560933b in CCommandProcessorFragment_OpenGL3_3::Cmd_Texture_Create(CCommandBuffer::SCommand_Texture_Create const*) ()
#2  0x000055555560a2ae in CCommandProcessorFragment_OpenGL::RunCommand(CCommandBuffer::SCommand const*) ()
#3  0x000055555560ded2 in CCommandProcessor_SDL_OpenGL::RunBuffer(CCommandBuffer*) ()
#4  0x0000555555604488 in CGraphicsBackend_Threaded::ThreadFunc(void*) ()
#5  0x00005555555f1078 in  ()
#6  0x00007ffff7c7f3e9 in start_thread () at /usr/lib/libpthread.so.0
#7  0x00007ffff5728293 in clone () at /usr/lib/libc.so.6

Doesn't demo have all marks somewhere in header of file?

but i conclude that there is no real limit on image sizes in maps

@DDNet bot are you drunk

yes, but still need to open each file

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2854 Revert resize rescale

I'm guessing this is the reason some can't open client anymore, others have 2-3 fps.

@Spooky if you can wait 5-10 min, I can give you a version to test. Are you on Windows?

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2855 Kill server on quit

As suggested by Ryozuki

yea

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

ac40f76 Forgot database - def-

@Patiga we dont support textures over 2gb, heinrich doesnt want size_t in code

22:46

@deen ?

ah, thats fair

i dont get why the function should cause low fps

@Spooky https://ddnet.tw/ddnet-windows-latest.zip Does that fix the problem?

@Spooky what gpu do u have

@deen client not working from that

22:49

@Deleted User gtx 1070

then the function is never called @deen

ok, too bad

I don't have a single problem with update nor updated client on Windows 10 x64 steam

maybe the entity textures

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2854 Revert resize rescale

but i tested that code

22:50

i'd have noticed frame drops

i thought maybe just bad for some

i mean its not ultra fast, but it doesnt get called over and over again

Maybe it is the menuimages that we load now?

i noticed

22:51

on steam client

it has todo with the loading, so maybe yes

when i updated it , after like 5 mins

22:51

it says update again

Yeah, thinking about loading I can only imagine graphics or the images

22:52

or something about the start menu

i valgrinded all my code to be safe

22:52

bcs i never worked with menu before

too bad, just did the same and found nothing

works now

what have u done

22:53

or bcs of current version?

just updated it again on steam and it worked

@Spooky but it's 14.7.1, right?

but when i open my client it still says update for 15.0.2

maybe yoour nightly still has websockets on @deen ?

22:53

ah

22:53

mhh i dunno then

@deen think so

@Spooky press f1

22:54

it should tell top right

yup its 14.7.1

I tested and websockets is off

ok

22:55

some localization?

@Spooky do you have english as language ingame?

no

finish?

yea

@Spooky could you try switching to english, closing client, and then trying a new version?

22:58

I changed a bit about the localization actually

weird the new update didn't go thru tho since u have to update on steam otherwise u can't play

I reverted to old version on STeam

ah

the easiest would really be someone with a debugger has the crash xD

23:00

maybe i give my luck a try on windows quickly

yes. @Spooky you're not a software developer by any chance?

i am actually

23:00

Kapp

Great!

23:00

I don't know how to debug on Windows, but @Deleted User can probably help

i'm joking lol

given a windows machine, what do I need to do to find out if I have the crash?

14.7.1 frames dropping tho

start client

23:02

it happens at 3/4 of the loading bar apparently

23:02

so menu images sound suspicious

steam version?

all apparently

23:04

Maybe it's also the binds? We support multi-key binds now

ohh, i dont crash btw

@Spooky could you send us your settings_ddnet.cfg? Maybe that helps

sec let me try smthin

Oooh, or does your system have very little RAM?

23:05

maybe the font file doesn't fit into RAM

he has 1070 xD

23:05

and 20mb ram

23:05

xD

23:05

tru gamer

unbalanced system, who knows

xD

oph

23:06

got crash when going back into the ddnet window

@Deleted User i have 128gb so kek

kek

1

thehell you running TW at?

23:08

server at work?

Why someone would need 128 gb lol

@deen ok so what do u need , settings?

23:14

i actually have 16 only lol

settings might help

23:17

@deen the only problem with the current steam version is, that it shows to update xd

@Deleted User leaving the old ver for now?

yes, but still u could give me the settings, or you could install visual studio

23:19

most windows system seem to work

23:19

its very very hard to anticipate what causes yours to crash

yea

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