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GitHub BOT 2020-09-03 00:09:23Z
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BannZay
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2715 Fix server responses handling in game browser
Fixes all problems for #2620 Explanations of existed problems: Lan has non expected servers because we were creating browser entry regardless token check DDNet tab has ping 0 for servers as we weren`t rejecting previous refresh responses
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-03 00:44:41Z
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[ddnet:master] 3 new commits
a215e37 allow empty max ping filter - BannZay b1d5538 fix style - BannZay dac3c78 Merge #2713 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2713 allow empty max ping filter
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-03 01:10:11Z
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BannZay
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2716 Refresh on ping filter changed
Should have been in #2713. Late but handy change tho
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-03 01:37:33Z
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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
701bbab refresh on max ping filter changed - BannZay b1fe2cf Merge #2716 - bors[bot]
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bors[bot]
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2716 Refresh on ping filter changed
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bors[bot]
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2715 Fix server responses handling in game browser
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[ddnet:master] 3 new commits
836c56a create serverbrowser entry only after broadcast token check - BannZay 840d8cb reset token seed on browser refresh - BannZay 7a1d2c0 Merge #2715 - bors[bot]
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-03 05:53:48Z
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d3fault
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2717 add #ifdef checks around GLEW_VERSION checking
This fixes compilation on Debian Stretch
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-03 07:08:35Z
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def-
[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit
aca87bf SGP, JAP, RUS3 - def-
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bors[bot]
[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
b5861f2 add #ifdef check around GLEW_VERSION_4_6 - d3fault bf085c2 Merge #2717 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2717 add #ifdef checks around GLEW_VERSION checking
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Learath2 2020-09-03 07:54:43Z
Ryozuki peddling open source software that's just not there yet as alternative to industry standards?
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 07:57:52Z
justatest
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-03 08:29:44Z
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def-
[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit
3657815 Stats update - def-
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2020-09-03 08:44:58Z
Wtf
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I dont want my client refreshing when i change filter type
08:45
This will be annoying
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-03 08:55:09Z
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Jupeyy
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2718 Fix texture destroy
Might already help with #2717
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BannZay 2020-09-03 09:56:05Z
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I dont want my client refreshing when i change filter type @ᶰ°Konͧsti
Not clear pr name. The changes was just about to update visible servers when you change ping filter but not to reload them
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2020-09-03 09:59:08Z
HMM
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-03 10:07:37Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #2719 Client should be able to tell the difference between /pause and being Spectator
Currently both look the same, m_Team == TEAM_SPECTATORS and it's a bit confusing to see the "Join Game" button then.
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2720 Add buttons for Kill and Pause
Seems more useful than Spectate and Connect Dummy, both of which are often mistaken by newcomers. !screenshot-20200903@120548
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deen 2020-09-03 10:10:09Z
@ᶰ°Konͧsti Use the steam beta and you can try out these features already
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well, tomorrow probably
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@fokkonaut honestly I'd be a bit worried about CPU usage with 128 players. I noticed that some VPSes already are at 40% CPU load with a full 64 player server
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fokkonaut 2020-09-03 10:12:44Z
for my server it works, cpu is not fully used
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deen 2020-09-03 10:12:59Z
yeah, some CPUs are more powerful than others
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fokkonaut 2020-09-03 10:13:07Z
yup
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deen 2020-09-03 10:13:16Z
I mean we have some running at 2 GHz, others at 4.4, that alone makes a big difference already
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fokkonaut 2020-09-03 10:13:28Z
So we stay at 64?
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deen 2020-09-03 10:13:56Z
I'm not sure. Do you also have client support to show 128 players?
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fokkonaut 2020-09-03 10:14:20Z
No
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deen 2020-09-03 10:14:36Z
hm, then I prefer 64 for now
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2020-09-03 10:20:48Z
i dont use steam but i can just build the commit right
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deen 2020-09-03 10:21:12Z
yes
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-03 10:32:31Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2721 Don't update news when something was only removed
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redix 2020-09-03 10:45:52Z
When I was testing around with 128 players because of the master connection issues, one cpu core was at ~90% That's quite a lot...
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nori 2020-09-03 10:46:33Z
is player limit have to be power of two? can't we set it to smth like 96?
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redix 2020-09-03 10:50:22Z
Introducing id mapping and tons of compatibility code just for a few more player =\
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2020-09-03 10:52:29Z
128player Back in Time would be nice af
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Maybe if the server can handle it we could allow it for some maps
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cyberfighter 2020-09-03 10:58:13Z
128 player team ranks justatest
justatest 1
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Nooback 2020-09-03 10:59:59Z
oh yea
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@cyberfighter you mean 64 players and 64 dummies
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cyberfighter 2020-09-03 11:00:40Z
f4
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2020-09-03 11:02:43Z
no, real players justatest
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 11:05:00Z
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watermeron
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deen 2020-09-03 11:05:34Z
@TsFreddie texture for text rendering on GPU? or what is that?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 11:06:19Z
texture bin packing that I ported to vanilla.
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deen 2020-09-03 11:06:24Z
ah, nice
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 11:07:45Z
I removed texture resizing altogether by partitioning a fixed texture into multiple pages. and drop the page with least characters currently displaying when it is full
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only vanilla would need this tho.
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deen 2020-09-03 11:08:23Z
why not ddnet?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 11:09:03Z
i think you guys have pretty fast texture resizing already
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deen 2020-09-03 11:09:10Z
🙂 Good!
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I have heard 0 complaints about lags caused by text rendering in the last ~1 year
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even now that we enabled CJK for all
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 11:10:58Z
watermeron yeah, we don't have any complains for ddnet here in china as well
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 11:11:02Z
we'll speak again if smone writes down the bible in tw xd
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in chinese
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traditional
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but even than a 4096x4096 texture can probs handle insane amounts of characters
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should really test it just for fun xD
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 11:12:10Z
older gpu might have a limit of 2k tho
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 11:12:14Z
yeah
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deen 2020-09-03 11:12:14Z
you can create a fifo for client and paste it in from the command line easily
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 11:12:40Z
i test mine using this
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deen 2020-09-03 11:12:49Z
something like: cat bible.txt | while read line; do echo "say \"$line\"" > client.fifo; sleep 5; done (edited)
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 11:14:02Z
I might start working on proper IME again.
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 11:14:24Z
maybe ddnet should increase the default texture size tho
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to 1024
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bcs that improves the packing
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 11:14:41Z
maybe just use 2k
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 11:14:56Z
for latin 1024 is already too much
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dont want to stress VRAM too much xd
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 11:15:26Z
sure
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I don't think my implementation would even works using only 1 page of 512.
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1024 with 4 pages can be filled really quick by going through settings and chat a bit under CJK
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 11:23:43Z
yeah, i just wonder how often this happen in real life xd
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bcs recreating is always cpu intensive probably
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even if its not as horrible as pure vanilla
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 11:28:53Z
saddog
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spot the difference
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 11:48:31Z
just like when i played a korean mmo someday and had to focus spotting the difference xd
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redix 2020-09-03 11:53:35Z
Ddnet has way more font sizes than vanilla :O You store them all in one texture?
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Learath2 2020-09-03 11:55:54Z
Well I know what to look for because my phone always gets the kanji wrong
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丸
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 11:57:43Z
the main source of glyphs are actually just chats. so storing them all in one texture wouldn't be a huge problem practically i think
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 11:58:38Z
Embedded image
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20000 characters with chat size on 2k resolution
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might have to open in new tab
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 11:59:39Z
i don't think that's 2k..
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 11:59:41Z
its 8kx8k texture
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 11:59:56Z
oh
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 12:00:08Z
i googled and it said, even traditional chinese mostly only uses 20k glyphs
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:00:20Z
watermeron
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:00:38Z
besides it's very unlikely that all 20k would ever be used in one session of teeworlds 😛
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 12:00:57Z
btw the client downscales if the texture is too huge for the GPU
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so even IF that ever happens it will just look shit xd
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:01:30Z
i dropped mine to a fixed 1k. doesn't seems to have any problems.
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but i'll keep the paging just in case.
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btw 丸 does not look the same under different locale
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 12:04:59Z
its funny how well the name skyline algorithm fits the output
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-03 12:05:19Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #2714 Client News
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:07:00Z
丸 is rendered however your renderer feels like rendering it most of the time
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It's rather hard to get it to render the actual glyph you want 😛
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:08:40Z
watermeron well depends on your system's locale font
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:08:52Z
刃 is an even worse offender
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 12:08:57Z
@TsFreddie btw might be interesing to know: https://feedback.wildfiregames.com/report/opengl/feature/GL_MAX_TEXTURE_SIZE thats 5 years old report and: 90% of all gpus support 8k+ textures the only "GPUs" that aren't atleast 2k are just software renderers from microsoft 😄
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:09:05Z
Microsoft has 3 different fonts for the same style of glyphs.
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:10:38Z
I was reading up on slug a couple days ago. It's also quite interesting
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:10:52Z
EeveeShy this is how I made it in vanilla
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:11:17Z
How is it in ddnet now?
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redix 2020-09-03 12:11:19Z
In practice the font texture in ddnet quickly grows to 2048*2048 (on wqhd). Might be good to increase the default size a bit
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:11:27Z
ddnet render SC only i think
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:11:39Z
Should probably fix that too
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:12:17Z
i think ddnet's fallback was made in a few hours?
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just check the language. and nuke the texture when the variant switches.
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should be easy enough
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but font loading might need some works
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:14:06Z
Oh now that I think about it, it doesn't matter all that much
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:14:25Z
thonk yeah, it'll just look a bit weird for TC or JP people
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:14:28Z
The things coming from chat will always be rendered with the clients language
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:14:35Z
they can still read them anyway
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:14:43Z
Yeah, usually not much trouble
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:15:14Z
but i would notice them if they are rendered in other variants
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quite OCD triggering
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so i'm glad ddnet defaults to SC.
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EeveeShy
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 12:15:55Z
greenthing
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:15:58Z
墨 kinda confuses me but that's the only one I can think of rn
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:16:12Z
maybe we could send a hint what each client prefers
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:16:18Z
Yeah I was thinking that too
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 12:16:23Z
@redix yes i agree
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:16:31Z
and send messages/render names in that manner
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:17:08Z
Though I doubt we want to keep all 4 fonts loaded all the time
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:17:09Z
don't do that actually
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:17:25Z
I guess with the fallback that's no longer an issue
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:17:27Z
people will prefer reading glyphs in their way even if it is in other languages (edited)
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so client settings is enough
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:17:54Z
@TsFreddie hm, I guess you'd know better
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One less thing to code 😄
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:18:38Z
@TsFreddie but we still need some default for people not having a language without chinese characters
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:18:43Z
but ddnet only shows SC glyphs even if you're using japanese translation tho
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just defaults to one of them
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jp usually works for rest of the worlds
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if they can't read CJK, they won't care anyway
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:19:35Z
(maybe make that configurable in console)
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:19:55Z
We can adopt something similar to what you are doing for vanilla and that should be enough I guess
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:20:10Z
that would be great
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-03 12:20:28Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2722 Increase default font texture size
Now that we have fallback fonts this makes sense.
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:20:31Z
(and a console setting that chooses glyph variant for people that are on a non CJK language)
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I so want to do the IME thing or the glyph variant thing, but I also need to learn about fourier transforms
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:21:46Z
(why did unicode has to unify the codepoint for different glyphs tho)
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:22:14Z
Idk why unicode would do that tbf, they are soooooo verbose about everything
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:22:27Z
man in business suit levitating
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:22:34Z
I would do the IME thing.
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:22:48Z
but the reason was: they wanted to fit everything in 65536 codepoints
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:22:49Z
@TsFreddie do you have an idea in mind?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:22:49Z
but I don't have any great ideas
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:22:51Z
bad idea in hindsight
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:23:04Z
cuz SDL builtins just don't work
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for TSF anyway
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(on windows
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don't know about linux/mac
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:23:45Z
@TsFreddie huh, what's wrong with SDL? Does it not trigger the IME properly?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:23:47Z
Chromium have some workaround. And I tried use imm.h directly
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:24:07Z
imm.h? that's for intel intrinsics, should'nt have anything to do with IMEs(?)
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:24:13Z
it's a winapi header
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:24:16Z
oh
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are you sure that SDL can't figure out how to IME on windows?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:24:39Z
sdl_settextinputrect just use immsetcompositionwindow and forgets about it
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but that one doesn't work for all imes
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some are only triggered by immsetcandidatewindow
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some aren't triggered by either
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:25:29Z
how fast was sdl to respond @Learath2?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:25:37Z
and you'll have to fake a system carats sometimes
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:25:42Z
but anyway, we can probably use an SDL fork until we mainline it
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:25:49Z
I still have 2 prs waiting on sdl 😄
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:25:52Z
@TsFreddie if it could be fixed in SDL, it would be best
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@Learath2 link?
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:26:05Z
and another bug report that I even offered to fix, though no one really cared
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:26:09Z
ghosty
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 12:26:48Z
xd asian languages are really to complicated. 26 characters are best xd
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:27:13Z
thonk there are a million ways to implement IME supports. i guess it's hard to have one solution in SDL so they just gave up
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:27:23Z
https://bugzilla.libsdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5130 This is the reason we can't compile on macOS Catalina
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:27:30Z
you can use imm stuff, but they usually don't work in fullscreen
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you can handle messages and store the candidates yourself. but SDL can't render those under every context
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but then you'll run into whether the candidate windows are horizontal or vertical
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EeveeShy
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:28:35Z
https://bugzilla.libsdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5068 This probably is a bad fix, but it's why we can't really do resizable windows but I did kinda work around it, we can have resizable windows on all platforms as soon as they merge 5130
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:28:36Z
just stuff
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:29:19Z
https://bugzilla.libsdl.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5071 This is me asking for advice on the most SDL-ish way to handle apples odd IME
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:29:44Z
patches lingering for 4, 6 months
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:29:45Z
They might be more responsive to windows issues though, larger userbase
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:29:50Z
let's make sure this won't happen in ddnet
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:30:16Z
SDL vs vanilla which is worse
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 12:30:29Z
vanilla is okayish ATM
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I still think they should have at least a second person merging PRs
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:30:39Z
(i'm not really asking.
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:31:12Z
@TsFreddie so what is the correct way to trigger the most common IMEs on windows?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:31:23Z
thonk all of them
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together
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:31:38Z
How would notepad trigger it, e.g.?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:32:18Z
notepad has windows's textinput context, so the carets are handled by the system.
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https://chromium.googlesource.com/chromium/chromium/+/7e279a29c6ff61e6132039d444a7fe066478d9f3/chrome/browser/ime_input.cc
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maybe check this
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chromium has some workarounds
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if you are using any windows' forms, you probably don't need to handle IME like at all. but graphic program works quite differently. I think Value handles WM messages, store the candidates and render them in game.
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but their solution don't work for my IME
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:35:23Z
Maybe SDL can adopt some of these workarounds in chromium
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 12:35:57Z
is github down?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:36:14Z
tbh, the most argent issue is that you need to block backspace when IME is activated.
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people can still "try" to type without a candidate windows, but backspace deletes both the inline and composition.
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which is annoying
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redix 2020-09-03 12:36:56Z
opengl drivers are a mess... using 3.3 compatibility instead of 3.3 core halve the cpu usage (intel igpu) with latest windows drivers. On linux it does not make a difference
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:36:56Z
@Ryozuki fine for me
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:37:27Z
also enter key does different things under different IME, which might be a problem too.
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:38:00Z
@TsFreddie I think we should implement SDLs albeit not complete textediting thing first
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:38:11Z
yes
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:38:44Z
Each text input on the screen should add themselves to a stack, when the stack is empty we disable textediting was what I was thinking
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 12:38:52Z
@redix oh really? in the menu only or even ingame?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:39:22Z
some IME always have empty textedit string
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lol
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like mine
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and that's exactly what i did years ago
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and it got reverted cuz it broke some other languages that uses hidden ime. (which are using the IMM framework but types like a normal keyboard layout.) (edited)
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:40:58Z
Uh, really?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:41:08Z
maybe my implementation is just broken
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but i did that before
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:41:23Z
That's very surprising, text editing being active shouldn't change anything for those languages
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it'd be a sdl issue, and it'd have been reported there
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redix 2020-09-03 12:42:45Z
@Deleted User in the menu. Ingame it does not make a huge difference, but it's harder to measure there since the usage stays below 10% anyway
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:42:46Z
@TsFreddie which language was it breaking?
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redix 2020-09-03 12:43:08Z
probably a shitty driver implementation
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 12:43:11Z
@redix ah ok, then its probs bcs it alows CPU streaming more effectivly (edited)
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i think in 3.3 core it really trys hard to act like you only create VRAM, but on an iGPU i actually expect it to be on CPU memory
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redix 2020-09-03 12:43:52Z
well in ddnet it's the same code just with another opengl context
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 12:43:53Z
so strange
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:43:55Z
I actually forgot, it's been a while
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:43:56Z
Also how is your IME even supposed to work with an empty textedit string? What is the client even supposed to render if not the textedit string?
12:44
Does it do it's own rendering in a overlay?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:44:26Z
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you render nothing but still blocks input
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:44:42Z
Yeah, what an odd choice
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redix 2020-09-03 12:44:53Z
the mesa driver on linux seems to be really new. Works better there
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:45:05Z
How does it behave in fullscreen applications?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:45:15Z
but i think chinese is the only offender in that regard
12:45
zh-tw, jp and kr always use on-the-spot input
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How does it behave in fullscreen applications?
@Learath2 doesn't show up at all
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:46:03Z
It's just odd to me that ch doesn't atleast put something in the textedit string
12:46
not like it hurts
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:46:20Z
some ch ime do
12:46
mine doesn't tho
12:47
probably just ignore this type of IME
12:47
not majority anyway
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:47:20Z
No way to work with that kind anyway
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Does it even give away it's candidate list so we can try to render it ourselves?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:47:44Z
I have my own input schema, so this one is the only one i can use
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Does it even give away it's candidate list so we can try to render it ourselves?
@Learath2 the default IME made by microsoft are guaranteed to send candidates messages to application i think
12:48
but I think a lot of third party one can't
12:50
come up with your own input schema is actually quite fun
12:51
building the word dictionary and design your sound/shape layout
12:51
watermeron
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:51:43Z
I wonder if we can somehow get the contents of the entire IME window and render it ourselves 😛
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:51:44Z
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m!ki 2020-09-03 12:51:48Z
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how is this possible? xd
12:52
Rus1 ddnet
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:52:07Z
I wonder if we can somehow get the contents of the entire IME window and render it ourselves 😛
@Learath2 Valve can so i guess it is possible
12:52
Dota2 and csgo renders candidates list themselves
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:52:30Z
@TsFreddie doesn't valve just render the list itself?
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Like the entire thing. I was thinking of letting the IME take care of rendering itself and we just mirror it's window buffer
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:53:06Z
oh
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that might be too ambitious.
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:53:57Z
Easier than rendering the candidate list and the compositions ourselves I'd wager
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:54:43Z
but I suppose it would require some wizard stuff like how obs window capture works.
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the IME windows is not a texture in anyway i suppose.
12:55
even then it might be occluded and therefore can not be captured anyway.
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m!ki 2020-09-03 12:55:49Z
@Learath2 isn't flooding fixed?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 12:56:36Z
(you can't fix people's boredom/bigotry tho)
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Learath2 2020-09-03 12:56:59Z
@m!ki it was for a long time
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Okay I think all major IMEs on all platforms support getting the candidates out
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We can implement SDLs meh method for now, then I'll look into either getting a patch to SDL to allow getting candidates cross platform or just handle it in tw
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:02:46Z
watermeron
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I'll wait troll
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:04:24Z
If we had something like nuklear or imgui in tw, it'd be much easier actually
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:04:40Z
nervous
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:05:03Z
I'm more concerned about rendering this thing and not writing a one off like everyone else
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:05:55Z
nervous might as well just rewrite a client using other engines.
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:06:18Z
Just for an IME candidate window?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:06:23Z
make a new game
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get on steam again
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lol
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:06:50Z
The tough part is already being done by the IME, rendering it's candidates isn't as hard as you are making it out to be
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:07:30Z
watermeron I don't think it is hard. I'm just saying what I've observed
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:08:15Z
The only observation relevant here would be the fact that I'm very lazy
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:08:25Z
ghosty
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watermeron this is how I type chinese
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:14:11Z
@TsFreddie how fluent are you writing in chinese on a computer?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:14:18Z
pretty ok
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:14:48Z
And handwriting?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:14:52Z
bad
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actually i might not be able to write at all at this point
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it's been years since I've hold a pen
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:15:40Z
Been the case for everyone I've met that uses CJK. Seems handwriting is dying in asia
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:15:58Z
my mom feels the same way and she started to practice handwriting about a year ago.
13:16
I don't have that much dedication
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i wouldn't say it is necessarily dying as long as education are still teaching handwriting.
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:17:59Z
I understand why it's dying though. It's quiiite a challange knowing all the necessary glyphs and their stroke orders
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@TsFreddie well if people forget it after they graduate, it is dying imho
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:18:30Z
there are bound to be some people that are less tech savvy who can actually write since they are used to writing.
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or even take notes ocationally
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:18:48Z
Oh yeah, older people especially are doing much better
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:19:02Z
i guess if you met people online they are likely to be less capable of handwriting
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:19:33Z
Nah, mostly people I met irl I've asked
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:19:42Z
oof
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:20:02Z
Younger folk though, so it could be the case that older people that are less integrated with tech would be doing better off
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:20:04Z
i would love to go back and practice handwriting tho. but you know.
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laziness
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stroke orders are such a bitch tho
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my input schema use strokes to reduce candidates
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:21:24Z
I do an hour of kanji in the morning, 30 minutes of anki, 30 minutes of writing the 50 kanji I'm the worst with
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:21:25Z
I've only know some of the order because I was making this
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:22:53Z
huh, how do you encode strokes in an input schema?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:24:15Z
kanji usually don't have curves. so there are only like 7 categories.
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for strokes
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and you may just input the storke.
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or you can enter the sound first then use storke to filter out some
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:25:19Z
What would you qualify as a stroke?
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:25:34Z
乛 一 丨 丿 丶
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:25:45Z
Ah, I see what you mean now
13:25
That makes a a lot of sense actually
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:26:04Z
but there are shape based method too
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I don't know how to use these, but you can probably imagine combining parts together to get a character
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:27:46Z
Looks like radicals
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:28:22Z
i don't know what's the actual definition of radicals tho (edited)
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:29:36Z
I've been wondering about how some han characters with simple meanings changed meanings when the japanese adopted them
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:30:09Z
like how simple tho
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characters usually change meaning anyway when they are pairs with others (edited)
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:30:28Z
e.g 汁
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I guess it's still similar enough, but it'd be soup in japanese, more like juice in chinese iirc
13:31
So why would the japanese decide to use the character for juice as soup? 😄
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:31:20Z
vegetable juice in jp still use 汁 i think
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but
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the soup one in chinese, is bath water in jp lol (edited)
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汤
13:31
pretty gross if you think about it
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EeveeShy
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well more like hot water but bath use that as well since it is technically the same
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:33:09Z
seems bath is only similar 湯 not the same
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:33:30Z
it's the same for us.
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just write differently
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since ours are simplified
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:33:56Z
Ah, yes there is that too 😄
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:34:06Z
we still recognize that as the same chars.
13:34
and probably why people don't usually have trouble reading both trad and simp
13:34
mentally it still works for some reason
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:35:12Z
I mean, they probably chose the simplified chars very carefully so it's not hard to recognize
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:35:54Z
i think they made some rules to cover the majority and then manually simplified some uncommon ones
13:36
i think most characters are simplified based on radicals
13:36
and some different radicals are combined into a single simplified one.
13:36
so we have less characters in general
13:37
But I wouldn't actually know. nobody teach these lol
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Learath2 2020-09-03 13:37:08Z
Anyway, I have to go, learn more about fourier transforms
13:37
Nice chat o/
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 13:37:27Z
yes
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-03 13:47:31Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #2723 Displaying maps in menu background
This requires some more porting from 0.7, I have started it here, but see the TODO for what's missing: https://github.com/def-/ddnet/commit/665d909fe01b96137cffd3d252cd253d2da4a8d8 If anyone wants to work on this, please do so!
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Learath2 2020-09-03 14:25:45Z
Funny enough, linux seems to be the worst when it comes to getting IME candidates
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 14:28:44Z
lemme guess
14:28
there are 5 incompatible ways of doing IME on linux?
14:28
wayland introduced two more?
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Learath2 2020-09-03 14:33:07Z
3 incompatible ways, XIM, GTK IM, QT IM. None of those provide a way to get the candidate list
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The 3 most common frameworks (fcitx, ibus, scim) implemented on top of those do have a way to get the candidate list out of though
14:34
It'd be great if XIM had the concept of candidates at all
14:34
and all of this is veeeery horribly documented too
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 14:39:07Z
yay i cant use github for some reason
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it simply doesnt respond
14:39
so weird
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yeah so smart
14:45
u put support on the domain github.com
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when github.com itself has me blocked for some reason
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lol
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lmao
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https://www.reddit.com/r/github/comments/ilq288/is_anyone_else_having_problem_with_github_right/
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 14:48:30Z
https://www.githubstatus.com/ all green, you can't be having problems
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 14:48:40Z
apparently
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ppl in spain cant connect
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right now
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to github
14:48
https://twitter.com/im_dario/status/1301527853314473985
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@dospitercios @movistar_es @Movistar "Llame a Github", el concepto. En cualquier caso... @github, are you aware of issues for accessing your web from Spain? It seems it's Movistar's fault, but they ask to contact you instead 😂 Venga, que no se diga que no lo hemos hecho.
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well seems like a movistar issue maybe
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@heinrich5991 i cant even connect to githubstatus.com
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:D
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https://twitter.com/aptrov/status/1301511796990390272
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Can’t access neither GitHub from Barcelona. ISP o2 (Movistar) Anyone else? @github Telegram Web stopped working as well. @telegram
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how can this be
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this is p weird
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https://comunidad.movistar.es/t5/Soporte-Fibra-y-ADSL/URGENTE-GITHUB-DOWN-No-accesible-desde-4g-ni-Fibra/td-p/4255638
[URGENTE] [GITHUB DOWN] No accesible desde 4g ni Fibra
Hola, buenas tardes.   Supongo que no seré el único, decir que me asombra ver que es un tema recurrente, el tema de los bloqueos de github.   No puedo acceder a Github.com, me da timeout todas las veces, en mi fibra y en 4g... lo mismo.   La primera pregunta es qué narices hac...
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fcking clown isp
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this must be affecting lot of companies tbh
14:57
if they use github
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BannZay 2020-09-03 15:00:50Z
is it possible to see ingame messages in steam chat? (like in dota2)
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:01:19Z
which way do you want?
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I don't think you can see ingame messages in steam in dota2
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but steam messages in dota2 are possible I think
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:02:01Z
yea thats possible
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u can even reply
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BannZay 2020-09-03 15:03:10Z
can we implement it for teeworlds?
15:03
I just tried it. I started dota and type /w "My_Friend_Name" 123. When I exited the game this message was in the steam chat
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but if I send something via steam chat its not in game chat for some reason
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:04:08Z
Integrating it with our /w might not be the best idea
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BannZay 2020-09-03 15:04:27Z
why?
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:04:39Z
Especially since you can change names on steam easily, so you can hijack whispers
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BannZay 2020-09-03 15:05:11Z
nah, you can not send messages to not your friends tho
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what I want is just receive message in steam chat if some one whispered me
15:06
so I can read it on my phone
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:06:44Z
that doesn't sound possible (ingame whisper → steam)
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dota doesn't have native whispers, you can only whisper via steam there
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BannZay 2020-09-03 15:07:49Z
I just tried it. I started dota and type /w "My_Friend_Name" 123. When I exited the game this message was in the steam chat
I used "native". Or what you mean by native?
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:07:53Z
self hosted best https://git.ryozuki.xyz/ u will never get blocked by a evil isp justatest
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:08:08Z
We can get steam messages ingame though, should be relatively simple
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:08:24Z
@Ryozuki if you get blocked you have no recurse, unlike github ^^
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:08:41Z
wdym by recurse
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:08:48Z
recourse
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:08:53Z
its unlikely they would block a unknown self hosted repo
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tho
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:08:55Z
I'm getting more and more pissed the more I read ibus' documentation. How could someone come up with a api this horrendous is beyond me
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:09:14Z
apparently this github problem is recurrent with movistar
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xd
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they had this before
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:09:20Z
my domain (heinrich5991.de) somehow ended up on a school blacklist in germany
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:09:27Z
:o
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and here i was wanting to program in rust but without being able to see github this is painful
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feelsbadman
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:10:31Z
cargo update --offline I think?
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try a vpn if you have one
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if you only want to look at github, tor would also work
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:11:18Z
ah ye i have tor
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does cargo update depend on github?
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i think it does
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cuz the command is hanging xd
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:12:14Z
yes. try cargo update --offline
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:12:17Z
@Ryozuki if you have a vps somewhere you can tunnel through
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:12:23Z
oh true
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:12:30Z
yeah i have my vps
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❯ cargo update --offline error: you can't update in the offline mode
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lol
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:12:45Z
cargo build --offline?
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:12:52Z
Oh btw, I'm very happy with wireguard, excellent roaming capabilities
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:12:55Z
that works
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:13:14Z
@Learath2 nice. I like software that supports roaming
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:13:18Z
i feel the china pain rn
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imagine this daily
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:13:32Z
guess you would have set up a vpn by now in china
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:13:39Z
f3
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:14:07Z
Oh I also love how wireguard is a silent protocol
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:14:16Z
is it udp?
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silent = no traffic while nothing happens?
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seems to be at odds with roaming
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:15:29Z
man i rly hate isps, on twitter 100 ppl complaining about this, and the only thing the twitter guy do is ask for id number, phone number and a tracert (he assumes i use windows lol)
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pisses me off
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:15:59Z
udp yeah, and yeah no traffic while nothing happens
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:16:24Z
so no chance of roaming succeeding when the client changes IP address but the server has new traffic
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:18:20Z
I think it does a handshake again when it changes ip
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:18:29Z
how would it know?
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when behind NAT e.g.
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:19:11Z
behind a NAT you already need keepalives so the firewall doesn't close the connection on you
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:20:04Z
ohh
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true
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goodbye silent protocols
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thanks nat
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:20:53Z
I wish we would hurry up with deploying ipv6 :/
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I don't like NAT at all
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:21:16Z
ah, but ipv6 doesn't solve this issue in consumer routers
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:21:24Z
if they dont even know why they block a ip they wont know how to do that lmao
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:21:27Z
they still have a stateful firewall
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:21:37Z
You could give each client an ip of its own
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ipv6 is meant to be allocated as rather large subnets per end site
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:21:55Z
yes
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but consumer routers still firewall you off incoming connections, for security
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so you can run your windows xp without being infected the moment you plug it in
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:22:36Z
does ipv6 help handle ddos better?
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:22:48Z
I think that question doesn't make sense(?)
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:22:52Z
yeah i guess
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:22:55Z
Irrelevant, maybe a little worse as it's a tad tougher to route
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:23:04Z
its tougher to route?
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:23:15Z
might be easier to route
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:23:22Z
thats what i thought
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:23:26Z
because of more space for sensible routing
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:23:35Z
Yeah maybe sensible prefixes will help
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Though if we allocate as we've been allocating for v4 it'd be tougher to route
15:23
more bytes to check
15:25
Okay, there seems to be no way to get the candidate list/lookup table from ibus
15:25
I wonder what Valve did for that
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GitHub BOT 2020-09-03 15:25:46Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2724 Make sure people can join with invalid name/clan/skin
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:26:00Z
justatest
15:26
time to open tor
15:27
@deen about the kill and pause buttons, i thought time ago to add a Button with name "Commands" and it is a dropdown with most common used commands
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kill pause lock etc
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:27:35Z
Back in high school I had a chat about tor with a math teacher of mine, he said anyone contributing to it is also contributing to the distribution of drugs and child pornography. Odd guy, couldn't understand that just because something is used for malicious purposes doesn't mean it shouldn't exist
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:27:59Z
yeah
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btw america contributes to tor funding i think
15:28
the CIA?
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:28:23Z
yes
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:28:57Z
so by that argument
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the CIA is contributing
15:29
to drugs and child pronography
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:29:08Z
Yep
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:29:08Z
greenthing
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:29:36Z
Well LEAs own a lot of the drug and cp trade on the deepweb too, so they directly contribute too 😄
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:29:46Z
justatest
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adding a dropdown also would be easier
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u dont have to adjust
15:30
for different resolutions
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:30:19Z
We don't have dropdowns in the UI code though, I think
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:30:25Z
we can make it
15:30
well you can
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im blocked
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feelsamazingman
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hm
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why another msg
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pause state?
15:31
doesnt ddnet network character have
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m_paused and m_spec
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:33:16Z
yea, does
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:33:40Z
https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/2720/files#diff-4c1480841d96bf73e07b29e10fbd394bR441
15:33
its funny that the embed loads
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i dont know the black magick here
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:34:04Z
serverside
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:35:59Z
ohhh
15:36
140.82.114.3
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this is one of the github.com ips
15:36
i added it to hosts file
15:36
and now i have access
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:36:22Z
maybe your dns broke then?
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:36:23Z
they blocked 140.82.121.4, 140.82.121.3
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no
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they only blocked those 2
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it must be smth about the load balancer
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so i just force this ip
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deen 2020-09-03 15:38:05Z
@heinrich5991 there are many ways to get an invalid name in client, I'm wondering how best to fix them
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anything with complex unicode and longer than 16 chars will be invalid
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like copy-paste, steam name, automatic dummy name, entering it directly maybe?
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ah no, direct entering is not possible
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oh, and reading from config file
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:44:44Z
@deen I think a function on Packer would be easiest
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our model of strings unfortunately doens't include utf8-ness
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:45:09Z
Sounds very general for something so specific
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2722 Increase default font texture size
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:45:24Z
at every point in our string handling, we can introduce broken utf-8
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str_copy, str_format, etc.
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AddStringFixUTF8 which replaces broken utf-8 with replacement characters would probably work
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deen 2020-09-03 15:46:19Z
exactly
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:46:37Z
I guess the exactly went to the message bfore the latest
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deen 2020-09-03 15:46:47Z
yes
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:47:14Z
I'd envision that AddStringFixUTF8 as a new function on packer, alternatively rewrite the existing AddString function so that it always fixes utf-8
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deen 2020-09-03 15:47:17Z
I'll try to do it in the packer
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Shouldn't it always be valid utf8?
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:47:30Z
yes
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@Learath2 any concerns about changing AddString?
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:48:13Z
Ah, I see what you mean, I can't think of any
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deen 2020-09-03 15:48:19Z
great
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because at the moment many people with CJK names in steam can't join our servers
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or can't join dummy
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😄
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:48:41Z
but these should see the update, right?
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because steam
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deen 2020-09-03 15:48:45Z
yes
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I guess one disadvantage is that it will be a bit slower
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and checking things we in theory could know are correct already
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:50:19Z
Quite a bit, the only other way would be to make sure we never have broken strings in the first place
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Hm, but that would also have quite a lot of overhead
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:50:46Z
we could ofc also fix str_copy, str_format
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:50:52Z
Not sure which has more
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:50:57Z
so that all our strings are always utf-8
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but that solution also takes more time to implement
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:51:20Z
(and isn't guaranteed to be any better performance-wise)
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:51:42Z
the string copy functions would only have to check at the end
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if they truncated
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deen 2020-09-03 15:51:47Z
yeah
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 15:51:50Z
so probably more performant
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but much more complicated to introduce
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:55:46Z
making a dropdown with the current UI code style sucks
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:56:09Z
😄
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:56:16Z
cuz its just dobutton
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Learath2 2020-09-03 15:56:16Z
0.7 has them I think
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You can steal that
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 15:56:19Z
there is no owner
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booo 0.7
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Learath2 2020-09-03 16:00:22Z
The UI changes they made are mostly good
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The UI library had some very stupid stuff
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 16:02:26Z
i would rework cmenus along with ui.h completly
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but to much work
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jao 2020-09-03 16:02:45Z
u would never finish it
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 16:03:01Z
too
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justatest
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i love factorio UI
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deen 2020-09-03 16:10:23Z
@heinrich5991 The AddString code looks scary to me, don't think I want to break something there
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I really can't find a good solution here
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 16:16:31Z
I'm looking at fixing AddString
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deen 2020-09-03 16:16:36Z
thanks
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2725 Ignore .sqlite file
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Learath2 2020-09-03 16:50:20Z
Google thinks my very german ip is in the united arab emirates
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I keep getting prices in dirhem
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2726 Only send valid UTF-8 over the network
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 16:51:28Z
device setting maybe?
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2725 Ignore .sqlite file
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Rafael Fontenelle 2020-09-03 17:16:23Z
What dependencies are required for a server-only build? I already found: python, openssl, zlib I don't know about: sdl2, freetype2, opusfile, curl, glew, wavpack, pnglite, ffmpeg, libnotify, miniupnpc, sqlite
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deen 2020-09-03 17:17:22Z
sqlite is required
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Rafael Fontenelle 2020-09-03 17:20:37Z
That's it, or there could be more?
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2726 Only send valid UTF-8 over the network
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deen 2020-09-03 17:25:55Z
I think that's it
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2724 Inform client about failure to join because of invalid utf8
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #2719 Client should be able to tell the difference between /pause and being Spectator
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2721 Don't update news when something was only removed
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 19:05:14Z
deen change
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poggers
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Animefan 2020-09-03 19:11:00Z
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nori 2020-09-03 19:20:22Z
ui feelsbadman
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deen 2020-09-03 19:21:19Z
@nori you have better ideas?
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nori 2020-09-03 19:21:56Z
yes, very simple tutorial with something like gifs would be awy better
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 19:23:01Z
@nori even with a tutorial, these buttons seem useful
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 19:23:10Z
i already see ppl wanting to hit spec and kill the team xD
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bcs used to it
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plsplsplslol 2020-09-03 19:23:27Z
yeah put the buttons on the right of connect dummy
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 19:23:54Z
nah, they're much less useful than "spectate"
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 19:24:32Z
i mean u go into team, stop playing (in a raid) and then kill instead of spectate xd
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 19:24:54Z
in a raid?
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deen 2020-09-03 19:25:09Z
i don't think we have raids in ddnet
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i ser noobs accidentally hitting Spectate after 60 min of racing when i tell them to pause and look behind
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 19:25:37Z
well only nobos will use buttons
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u rly want to bind spec
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and kill
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plsplsplslol 2020-09-03 19:25:57Z
you cant bind the join spectators thing right
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 19:26:02Z
you can
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 19:26:10Z
in teams with 10ppl
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plsplsplslol 2020-09-03 19:26:21Z
wait whats the bind
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2020-09-03 19:26:23Z
lmao ill kill myself any time i want to connect dummy
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Cuz i dont use bind yet
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 19:26:39Z
@plsplsplslol I think team -1
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plsplsplslol 2020-09-03 19:26:50Z
:O
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 19:27:07Z
i have a friend who played a bit
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he went into settings after pressing esc
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plsplsplslol 2020-09-03 19:27:16Z
but that seems like a bad bind to accidentally press
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 19:27:17Z
then he wanted to close the menu
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instead of pressing esc
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he pressed the X
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and closed the game
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rip
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n000b 2020-09-03 19:27:30Z
Remove the spectate button completely?
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 19:27:47Z
@plsplsplslol like kill? ^^
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n000b 2020-09-03 19:27:55Z
Oh wait it is useful in vanilla
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Nvm
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 19:28:07Z
removing it completely might still work for ddnet
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plsplsplslol 2020-09-03 19:28:09Z
kill has kill protection
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 19:28:11Z
(and show it in vanilla)
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 19:28:22Z
i think closing the client should have always the popup question
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plsplsplslol 2020-09-03 19:28:27Z
is there spectate protection
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 19:28:31Z
atleast if u are in a server
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playing
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 19:28:46Z
@Ryozuki it has the question when you have kill protection
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 19:28:51Z
yeah
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but people confuse it
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with closing the menu
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xd
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 19:29:15Z
perhaps it should be red, or say quit?
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 19:29:26Z
say quit maybe
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trml 2020-09-03 19:32:10Z
Does the client know if it's in a race?
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 19:33:28Z
i'd be nice to just disable the kill button in teams of many ppl(raids) bcs sometimes they just spectate to leave the team without unlock/locking trouble
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Learath2 2020-09-03 19:37:10Z
it should, the auto recorder gets it from somewhere
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2020-09-03 19:42:46Z
maybe we should apply a team leader to teams (the first one to be there) that is the only one who can kill the whole team because usually he is also the one who is supposed to have strong. Also there should be an /unlock command or something? Because sometimes when someone is falling down in the void everyone is writing/Pressing /lock and then all die
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 19:43:04Z
I think there is an unlock command already
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 19:43:04Z
/lock 0
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i think
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 19:43:11Z
/unlock I think
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2020-09-03 19:43:15Z
:O
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Ryozuki 2020-09-03 19:43:21Z
konsti banned from being captain
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 19:43:31Z
yea, /unlock
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2020-09-03 19:43:36Z
nice
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/uninvite troll troll
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Deleted User 2020-09-03 19:54:41Z
and thats why they just go spec, bcs its easier and safer
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #2727 Votes pops up for every player on the server regardless his team
If player in team 77 starts vote against player in team 77 this vote will be shown to whole server. For players from other teams it looks like a spam - you cant vote here and you don`t even care about another teams votes. Moreover no other vote can be started which might affect high populated server even harder
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Rafael Fontenelle 2020-09-03 20:11:36Z
@deen sqlite is runtime ou buildtime dependency for DDNet Server?
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 20:16:42Z
@Rafael Fontenelle both
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Rafael Fontenelle 2020-09-03 20:21:09Z
Thanks!
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 20:31:04Z
hmm
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apparently RafaelFF != Ryozuki
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Rafael Fontenelle 2020-09-03 20:31:50Z
Yep, different people, but both maintainers of Arch Linux's DDNet packages.
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2728 Allow loading from any server
Since we are switching to a single write sql server for sake of simplicity
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 21:17:19Z
the new fullscreen default instantly destroyed my resolution
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not sure whether to report or not
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deen 2020-09-03 21:19:33Z
@heinrich5991 what do you mean by destroyed?
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ah, since you upgraded and had a resolution set already
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new players get their screen resolution, but existing players didn't
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maybe a bit too late to fix now :/
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 21:20:18Z
I have a multimonitor setup
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it managed to set the 2560x1440 to 1280x768
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1280x768 is none of my screens
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and it led to some weird scrolling effect
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scrolling the screen when I go near the edges
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deen 2020-09-03 21:21:16Z
Was 1280x768 the resolution you had your window set to before?
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nori 2020-09-03 21:21:34Z
that scrolling effect releated with x server, happened to me before
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 21:21:37Z
I have a tiling WM, I used it windowed. not sure what resolution was set
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nori 2020-09-03 21:21:43Z
with gfx_resizeable
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 21:22:01Z
how do I find the resolution?
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deen 2020-09-03 21:22:15Z
gfx_screen_width/height
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heinrich5991 2020-09-03 21:22:40Z
it's now set to 2560x1440, but I'm not sure it was like this before I fixed it
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deen 2020-09-03 21:23:45Z
probably not, I experienced the same resolution change
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TsFreddie 2020-09-03 22:29:02Z
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i'll port this to ddn rn
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2729 Fix Word Wrapping for Unicode Strings
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