DDraceNetwork - developer

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2602 Merge DejaVuSansCJKName with DejavuWenQuanYiMicroHei and use it for all (fixes #2593)

allows reading CJK for everyone independent of language chosen. Hopefully the lags are gone.

yeah

10:26

what's this bot?

murpii

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #2603 DDNet Steam version: Can't navigate through map editor using middle click

Reinstalled the steam version twice, still not working. (14.3.3) I've tested the 14.3.3 non-steam version and its working again.

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2601 Add ban_region

11:20

[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

6a93660 Add ban_region - Learath2 97b6704 Add ban_region_range and sv_region_name - Learath2 6321a54 Merge #2601 - bors[bot]

@Learath2 why do u need that lol

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ban_region

11:23

xD

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2604 Version 14.4

Waiting for:

@Ryozuki CHN needs bans of their own

@Learath2 did chinese gov contact you? justatest

11:34

did they tell smth about me

They have my father in custody

1394ac0 Merge DejaVuSansCJKName with DejavuWenQuanYiMicroHei and use it for all (fixes #2593) - def- 8b41dca Merge #2602 - bors[bot]

11:41

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #2593 Switch all to CJK font

11:41

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2602 Merge DejaVuSansCJKName with DejavuWenQuanYiMicroHei and use it for all (fixes #2593)

3f5cccd Change default from borderless to fullscreen - def- 09faaff Merge #2595 - bors[bot]

12:11

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2595 Change default from borderless to fullscreen

@deen should we just merge the serbian translation update? Not like we have any serbians around

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/2590

Add DoxyFile and document CUIRect by edg-l · Pull Request #2590 · d...

I will probably document more stuff later. To generate docs: doxygen Doxyfile

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i dont think this needs much revision

I guess the question is whether we want doxygen at all

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isn't it rather large?

why

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its just a file

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a config file

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u dont generate docs

Ah, no build target for it?

no

I guess if we don't require it it's fine

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2589 Update Serbian translation by Kingston

12:31

Add support for PLATFORM_SUFFIX define, Don't bother Steam users wi...

9b1c071 Update Serbian translation by Kingston - def- 924ed78 Merge pull request #2589 from def-/pr-serbian - def-

@Learath2 I'd like to release, let's get https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/2594 ? I got a few complaints about this one

05d1908 Add DoxyFile and document CUIRect - edg-l eec9949 Merge #2590 - bors[bot]

12:44

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2590 Add DoxyFile and document CUIRect

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #2605 Use Steam API to set player name?

Would be nice, if someone uses steam, the nick should be the same as their steam account

[ddnet:master] 4 new commits

539c20a Add support for PLATFORM_SUFFIX define - def- 99cf35d Don't bother Steam users with red update text - def- 1f37746 Remove unused translation text - def- 607f5f0 Merge #2594 - bors[bot]

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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2594 Add support for PLATFORM_SUFFIX define, Don't bother Steam users with red update text

yeah nick would be nice

Yeah and

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on client should be 1 time changing name

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cuz they can steal other records and stuff

@Deleted User records are stealable, we don't have accounts yet

oh ok

Never had and that is a long story

yeah mt

But almost impossible to implement atm

It's not impossible it's a lot of work we don't have developers for

Since how do you know who can claim which identify

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That too

learath big troll im serbian

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but i dont use serbian translation troll

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2604 Version 14.4

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03ae471 Version 14.4 - def- b147950 Merge pull request #2604 from def-/pr-14.4 - def-

Accounts bad

You're bad

ur

that will be weird question, but who's the "head" of moderators, if there even is such person?

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snail?

hm, don't think there is one

15:29

I guess it'd be murpi or Skeith

...and the one to add mod rights via server files (rcon pw) would be...? xd

Any admin, though its usually me or jao

15:34

Why is there a rogue mod somewhere?

nah, was just wondering out of... curiosity. But seriously, nothing wrong anywhere

wink wink

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Now I'm very concerned

15:37

Do I need to fix something or can I take a shower in peace?

hey @Ravie. we dropped the bomb skin because we cannot contact the original author. it's kinda important to its mod though, so I was wondering whether you could draw us a new one?

15:41

(just a question. if you don't want to do it, I'll try to find someone else)

maybe I could, depends if it comes out good

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2606 Remove need for custom certificate

in anticipation of using CloudFlare

@deen maps.ddnet.tw → maps2.ddnet.tw

oh yeah

Jupeyy

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #2607 3D textures and 2D array textures

So 0.7 teeworlds uses 3D textures, they are in OpenGL since version 1.2. They use them because of texture bleeding in texture atlases(as in current ddnet source for older opengl). But they weren't made for this purpose(as its name suggests.. its for interpolating in a third dimension) and that's why 0.7 had to disable mipmapping for them(means lower resolutions interpolate the texture, instead of using a prepared mipmap). This generally isn't really a problem, tw isn't very power hungry a...

You guys probably know already, but /rank, /top5 etc cmds don't work on GER2 novice (perma)

yea, db problems

https://www.chromium.org/Home/chromium-security/memory-safety/rust-and-c-interoperability

Rust and C++ interoperability - The Chromium Projects

Home of the Chromium Open Source Project

@heinrich5991 they will create the rust foundation

anyone knows why ddnet has gfx_finish 0? On fast machines it can lead to higher input latency because the cpu is preparing too many frames in advance

Sounds like a very very dangerous thing to do

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2608 gfx_finish 0 by default

as suggested by redix on Discord

@Deleted User about opengl3: right now you are using one streaming buffer for each draw call, right? Especially in the menus i'm actually getting higher fps with opengl2. Maybe because the driver (nvidia 1060 in my case) is better at optimizing the client-side arrays. What about uploading all the vertex data to one vertex buffer before running the command buffer and use it for all draw calls? And using an offset that points to the corresponding data?

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Actually most games do this do get higher fps, but in case of tw it can run too far because the cpu side work is very cheap

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There are even some games where you can configure how many frames the cpu is allowed to prepare. Mostly e-sports titles that usually run with higher fos

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fps*

@heinrich5991 do you have a minute?

yes

@Learath2 random map votes seem to be broken

16:23

same for /map but thats probably because of the ddos?

@murpi they require db, db currenlty down

ah ok

In 0.7 how does the token handshake work? How do you avoid storing state?

there's the stateless control message called TOKEN

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that can be used to get a token for CONNLESS packet or also CONNECT packets

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so you ask for a token using the TOKEN control message (attaching your own token for the answer) and the server sends you a token based on your IP address and time (nothing is stored yet)

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once the server gets the CONNECT (with a correct token) it starts saving information

I thought 0.7 tokens are completely random, how does 0.7 avoid the CGNAT issue if it's just ip and time?

IP+port, sorry

Does the server keep my own token somewhere?

no

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you send your own token again in the CONNECT message

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for the conneciton, it saves your token though

So I send TOKEN with my token, Server responds with TOKEN with my token in the header and it's generated token in the data, I respond with CONNECT with servers token in the header, where do I put my token in CONNECT?

in the data part

Okay, so what does the token manager do?

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(If I can understand how this all comes together, I'll fix the mess we have right now)

generate, validate tokens and save them for outgoing connless packets

Hm, I think I can take the entire token manager from 0.7

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No reason it can't validate tokens for the old ddnet protocol aswell, and it'll look better with the sixup part

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I'm wondering whether we should upgrade the ddnet protocol to 0.7

DDNet site is down. Is it expected/known?

known

16:38

due to attack, now being restructured

@Learath2 could be good. not sure if it would be worth the effort. what do you think?

damned be these attacks.

@heinrich5991 I'm thinking it might be useful for the serverinfo request, connless tokens should help

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Are we allowed to redistribute the steamworks sdk headers? If not, do we want to ship a binary blob to integrate with steam?

@redix i think the main two reasons are: GL_QUAD does not exist in gl 3.3+, which causes more to upload when streaming and it seems that higher GL versions don't like creating buffer objects, on iGPUs i could get better performance initialize the buffer before and just update it

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also i dunno if the menu is worth optimizing that way.. ddnet really just needs a better gui

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the GUI is also only ran when visualization is built, instead of simulating it independend

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that's also very bad

you could create a few huge vbos at the start and just use these. Same size as the data buffer of the command buffer

i already tried rotating buffers

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there is no chance i dunno why, but AMD and NVidia both suffer from recreating buffers in GL 3.3+

MikiGamer

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2609 Bosnian language update

hmm okay =\ i tried this with an experimental webgpu (vulkan, dx12, metal) backend in 0.7 and thought it might work for opengl aswell. But it didn't think about buggy drivers

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i didn't

its not really a bug i think

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it's probably an optimzation (edited)

16:59

bcs streaming vertices in never good

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why consider it in drivers

true but aren't they kinda fast when you create buffers with the same size again?

it depends, probably creating a GPU side buffer has disadvantages in latency etc

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i really tried to research this, but never found anything

yeah most docs on this are rather vague and outdated =\

@Learath2 I think it's fine to distribute the steam headers

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@Learath2 there are projects binding to them in a couple of languages and the steamworks docs link to them

Sure? https://partner.steamgames.com/documentation/sdk_access_agreement seems to suggest we can only redistribute the bin directory

@Learath2 Since Serbian language is 90% same as Bosnian language, can I make pull request for Serbian language too? I will change few things. Sorry for ping.

@m!ki can you write in the language more or less error-free?

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@Learath2 I guess we can create our own header

17:20

for the functions we use

https://github.com/ValveSoftware/steam-runtime

ValveSoftware/steam-runtime

A runtime environment for Steam applications. Contribute to ValveSoftware/steam-runtime development by creating an account on GitHub.

that seems to be something else

@heinrich5991 sorry, but i dont understand the question

i cant rly find it

@m!ki how good is your serbian?

but i would love to develop using the steam api :o

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you probs cant @Learath2 since u need to login to get the sdk

who owns the ddnet?

@Deleted User it's under an open source license, anyone can use it

oh cool

@heinrich5991 basically serbian language is removing "ij" from word. Almost everything is same.

@Learath2 i think we should not put the sdk in the github, but u can detect it with cmake

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https://github.com/addictgamer/steamworks-c-wrapper

addictgamer/steamworks-c-wrapper

A wrapper allowing C programs to use Valve's C++ Steam API (Steamworks) - addictgamer/steamworks-c-wrapper

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this wrapper has a findsteamworks cmake

that means

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the code is free or

yes, the code is free. check out https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet

ddnet/ddnet

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/ddnet

Oh cool

@heinrich5991 idk do u understand what i said, but serbian have less letters in words, but same meaning

but im dumb to github

@Deleted User there are probably tutorials about github in the internet

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Xd

xd

i got my copy of the sdk

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trying to find if there is a license

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it has a bash script to install it on linux

my current pr seems to improve performance a bit for GL 3.3+ @Ryozuki did you try it, would really like to know on other hardware

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hitting 10k without HUD

ok

10kfps

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wtf

yeah, pretty good, didn't thought vega 64 could do it, since its not clocking that high

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like NVidia cards do

i enable opengl right

yeah its disabled because i renamed the config variables

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u can also use opengl 4.6

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tho it won't make a difference xD

i guess i should compile myself

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and not use artifacts

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i think my fps is limited to 1000

gfx_refresh_rate 0 xdd

its 0 lol

cl_refresh_rate 0?

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gfx_finish 0 ? XDD

oh

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cl refresh rate

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was 1035

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xd

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i dont notice change

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im on linux btw

mh for me it increased from around 9k to 10k

what gpu u got

vega 64 xd

i get 2.5k fps

oh

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maybe also stronger CPU

where can i download this version ?

well

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ur gpu

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is like

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way better than mine

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i got a old r9 390

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2608 gfx_finish 0 by default

https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/AMD-RX-Vega-64-vs-AMD-R9-390/3933vs3481

UserBenchmark: AMD R9 390 vs RX Vega-64

Based on 118,893 user benchmarks for the AMD R9 390 and the RX Vega-64, we rank them both on effective speed and value for money against the best 639 GPUs.

Oh xD

ryzen 6 2600

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5

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*

@cute af its currently not compiled by anyone if u have github u can download the auto build

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and it only works for GPUs that support opengl

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3

There is a bug, that when a skinname is too long it gets cut. This leads to having different skins with same name in the list and the client being confused and selecting both.

[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

c850498 Update bosnian.txt - MikiGamer 8fd0162 Update bosnian.txt - MikiGamer d373ae4 Merge #2609 - bors[bot]

17:47

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2609 Bosnian language update

about the finish thing: if the cpu side is way faster than the gpu side (which seems to be the case in tw), the cpu might run far more frames in advance than 2-3. doing the sync after each frame is indeed not the optimal solution but it would be good to limit it to 1-3 frames. That would require fences though. btw this has nothing to do with double buffering. At least not if vsync is off.

actually *glSwapBuffers probably calls glfinish internally when the buffer is reused again

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bcs then the buffer must be ready for writting anyway

it does a flush but usually no finish

but it has to

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else older draw calls would draw on the buffer

@Deleted User sorry, but what i have to download exactly ? could you share link ? thx

@cute af got github account?

@Deleted User yep

@cute af windows?

@Deleted User yes

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/runs/1001743731 just click top right artifacts and download for your OS

ddnet/ddnet

DDraceNetwork, a cooperative racing mod of Teeworlds - ddnet/ddnet

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is there any way ddnet steam updates could refrain from changing files like autoexec_server?

you can copy autoexec_server.cfg in config_directory

opengl can record calls for new frames before the gpu/server side is done with previous frames

files in config_directory are not overwritten and will be preferred

yeah but the whole sense of double buffering is, that it can handle all calls async and only needs to finish once the buffer is used again

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so any kind of synchronization is not really in favour of the driver

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@cute af u have to enable 3.3 in graphic setting tab then

@Deleted User im using windows x32 atm

oh

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xD

)

then u have an old pc probably xD

exactly

then it probably won't work anyway

why ? it depends on graphics card, no ?

yes

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my pc is 10 years old lol

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but as far as i know nvidia droppped 32 bit

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your GPU is listed as 2006 @Deleted User thats 14 years old xD

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xd

my gpu: Nvidia GeForce GTX 750

ah ok

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im 18 and i play this game bruh

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that probably works then @cute af

@Deleted User how do i compile it ?

puh there are alot of tutorials from heinrich

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i think even on the github page

i really confused with github :%

just intsall 64bit xd

not supported (

oh wow ok xd

CHN still down

even the swap call can be queued as long as you dont have vsync on. When you really need low latency you want to limit that queuing to a certain degree

yes to the degree of your monitor refresh rate

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i tried front buffering only, it didn't feel different to me, probs bcs 144hz isnt enough to see the 1 case where an image is drawn 1ms faster

the swap does not guarantee that the previous frames finished (with double buffering). it just makes sure to direct the calls to the right buffer in the future

yes

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it only garantuees that ur new buffer is ready to write

so in extreme cases the queue can build up calls for >10 frames in advance. so the things that are happening now will only get rendered after the prev 9 frames which are alreay outdated

i doubt that GPU have an interst in saving these frames

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gpu drivers

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without vsync they probs just overwrite the monitor buffer

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after a while

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lets say it like that

yeah sure it will just overwrite the things again. but the things that are of interest might appear later on the screen because the gpu was still busy with old stuff

when it saves 10000 fps that arent drawn yet, when should it do it?

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some times it has todo it xD

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i honestly doubt it will use more than tripple buffer internaly

in most games thats not an issue because the cpu side will never be that fast

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it does not really buffer the frame but the commands

yeah true

the limit for this is not really specified and rather implementation dependant though =\

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there are really games where you can select how many frames to prepare. This usually ranges from 1-5

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that's also why vulkan implementations are so complex. you have to keep all the rescources for all the frames you submitted

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that's at least one reason

@Deleted User I tested on my laptop and no differences

i mean i can understand your concern in theory its also nicer to have everything single threaded for latency

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but it can waste performance when the limit is reached

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@cute af ok, zooming out could be smoother

true. i honestly never measured how many frames we really run in advance

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a few is okay and as you said definitely helps performance

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@Learath2 some tunings are broken in the 0.7 bridge =\

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what is the line in that menu

never checked that

wait

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where can i find addons to ddnet?

there arent

i mean

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like some players have skins

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on it

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weapons

google teeworlds game.png

@redix wym by broken, can you create an issue?

see player_hooking 5.00

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it's always 5 even on solo and race

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not sure about the others that are marked red

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and vote reason+caller is mostly wrong

I thought I fixed the vote thing

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How is it wrong? Is it complete gibberish or wrong field

reason is always empty, caller is often the wrong person

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description not reason

For all types of votes?

not sure only tested map votes so far

Aaaaaaàaaaaaa I remember

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Missing a str_copy

à

I saw that in a dream the day after I commited it

mac keyboard?

Then forgot about it

in a dream

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nice

Nah phone keyboard

@Deleted User https://github.com/TeeworldsDB/gameskins/tree/master/06

TeeworldsDB/gameskins

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are the vote issues on the 0.7 client fixed? (edited)

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@Learath2

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https://i.imgur.com/ftjsRoU.png vote duration which went into the minus

I thought that was fixed too ;(

maybe moderate 1 was on?

where can i submit translation for ddnet client. do i just make a pr?

yes

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if you can do that

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otherwise send it to a developer

just opened it and i hated the translation so bad lol

Which language?

chinese ofc

I think the chinese translations were updated recently

yeah, but there are some pretty obvious errors

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i had texas.c. reviewed my translation for vanilla clients awhile ago. i thought they'd match it here.

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also do you mind split traditional chinese into two variants since taiwan and hongkong use different words.

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they are not entirely different tho. if two seems excessive, one will do just fine i guess.

seems a bit excessive, i think one for traditional is fine.

cool

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i'll keep one

yeojingkang

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2610 Added constexpr to math functions

Made math functions constexpr to allow some calculations to be performed in compile-time.

@Learath2 any chance you could look into GER4 DoS? Is the game server network handling the problem?

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or @heinrich5991 ^

I think we are both outside rn

ok

@heinrich5991 same license as cats and so on

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@Ravie are you the creater?

yeah, heinrich asked me for a new bomb skin since creator of the old one can't be contacted

nice