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https://www.reddit.com/r/rust/comments/i4ij47/rustc_1441_is_reproducible_in_debian/

r/rust - rustc 1.44.1 is reproducible in Debian

132 votes and 15 comments so far on Reddit

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https://lists.llvm.org/pipermail/llvm-dev/2020-August/144012.html

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"2.33% perf"

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Our experiments show >2% performance improvement on clang bootstrap, ~1% improvement on Google workloads and 1.6% mean performance improvement on SPEC IntRate 2017.

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how does the colorization for the particle after you kill work?

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or is there a way to disable it so it shows the same color as in the particle file?

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it changes the color

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somehow

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but idk how

We need something like a teamsolo that u can join anywhere in the map to get through stucking parts

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*and also leave again

you want a feature to join a team while in t0?

Technically yes

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But maybe it could be added as a mappers gametile or something, to force people doing a part 2p in a team 0 map

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There are just often parts that can only be done 2p and its hard and everyone is blocking in team 0

better fix maps :D

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derelease all maps where author is not konsti they have good t0 gameplay

i don't know if that would be a proper solution for this. would be weird to join a team while playing. you would have to make it like a zone where to join and a line where you leave. fixing maps wont really work out since especially drag parts are a famous mapping style and people wont stop mapping them (it would be wrong to stop mapping them imo)

you can map drag parts that work with more than 2 players

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mostly mappers dont even try

i can't imagine that? you need a reset point and on multiple trys, players will walk around each other etc.

walking backwards can be made less annoying if there is enough space to not run into people doing the part

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there are a few tweaks one can do looking at the part again and imagine a big team there

What mappers can do is deactivate collision. I don't see how you want to avoid people running into each other. Even if you fix that, people will still be like playing behind each other (2 players doing a drag part next to each other) and block each other if they don't play carefully.

yea sure one has to look around while playig with multiple tees im just saying that mappers can support that not fix all problems but help a bit

ChillerDragon play DDRace again pls

my solution would be that mappers, who create a lot of parts for teams for 2, should put those parts into one map and don't mix them too much with t0 parts (edited)

We should just disallow teamforce on all non dummy maps except open maps that would be heavily cheatable And heavily cheatable doesnt mean that u can do parts other than the mapper intended! (edited)

that idea is interesting, but i would only apply that to new maps

ddnet does not support my skin :/

ur skin is greensword (edited)

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0.7 skins are fucking ugly

have u tried upgrading to 0.6 client

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ChillerDragon minecraft when

everyday

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0.7 look the same as 0.6 just higher quality

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0.6 is so pixalated :/

0.7 looks shit xD (edited)

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Also ur playing with entities, Imagine crying about pixels

chillerdragon is a troll

i dont play w entities

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and vanilla 0.7 looks so much better than vanilla 0.6 imo

the menus look different, yeah. Ingame it's still mostly the same... I just dont get why people cry about that so much. After all it's just personal preference

i thought people complain because the way the client looks isnt the greatest reason for splitting the community in half knowing at least some players will stop playing because of it

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ie long time vanila players who see vanilla die on 0.6 and dont get the memo that its moved to 0.7

yea the split is bad that why we should update?

most vanilla players moved to 0.7 i think

yes most vanilla did move

There looks nothing better in 0.7

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ur just having super strange views (edited)

you opinion

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your*

but "updating"usually involves a significant amount of work on the part of the hosters to make their servers compatible

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unless they want to force everyone to use worse client

qshar and kamillentee were super annoyed from ur trashtalk about teams and spec

it's not like tw breaks compatibility every few months

Qshar said wtf i must have been drunk when i let this guy in KoG

0.7 main menu is cool

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today 0.7 may be worse for ddrace, i agree on that

.7 is literally unplayable for high dpi screen lol

for vanilla ddnet does not really give me advantages

not having antiping is irritating too

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but there are very severe bugs that happen with high dpi screen

imagine Saying something is better cuz ""better""" design

that never happened on 0.6

better more like annyoing

played on 14" wqhd. no issues

0.7 is ugly in ways i couldnt even imagine, have you looked at that fcking ugly chat? they literally destroyed it in the worst way a human could

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and it makes for horrible fps + clipping bugs + things being cutoff and unusable == generally frustrating experience

its insane

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and the skins look so retarded

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like nouis

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i cant handle it

@Ryozuki your opinion

i get 400 fps on ddnet and my laptop is cool

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0.7 i get 200 fps and the fans spin af

my opinion > ur opinion

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faxx

thats not an opinion

okay

its fact

redix is a vanilla whiteknight

hey i like vanilla too

vanilla 0.7

but 0.7 client runs horribly

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for me

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on my laptop with its screen

the epitome of bad design

and ive reported these things several times and the only ppl to help me were 0.6 devs lol

i played long before ddrace even was a thing... i played some ddrace and i still play a lot vanilla

im not sure if the mod matters too much

i played race long before*

Vanilla is cool

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On 0.6

+

I dont get the use of 0.7

0.7 is a disasted but the circlejerk is big

well there were a couple good fixes in 0.7 like the reflection attack thing

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but imo they couldve done this in a similar way to 0.6.5

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as this was a netcode fix that maintained some amount of compatibility

didnt they also add a patch to the client which makes modding harder now

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cuz oy cares shit

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haha

there are a few things like the name+clan changing. That definitely wasnt a good decision

they also always try to keep client features that modded servers can take advantage off off by default

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like colored broadcast

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they rly want the fcking vanilla to be 1st

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but its just plain boring

yes but this is a minor (albeit dumb) decision like, what is more confusing "tee" changed name to "player" or "tee" left the game "player" entered and joined the blue team

they should focus on modding

if the lack of namechanging was supposed to prevent confusion from different names

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they failed

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since everyone just rejoins to change name

Oy is already way more open towards modding than some years ago

ye maybe 2%

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u praise him to much

in 0.7.0 there wasn't any broadcasting at all

lol how are u not towards modding in a game like tw

mods keep tw alive

i'm not praising him, i'm just saying that he was okay with merging some things

if he were about going to improve modding we would have big changes like custom server side controlled UI, custom text drawing etc

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he cares shit

a few years ago (or with matricks) that would have been impossible

most online games survive thanks to modding

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its undeniable

true

most old small open source online games for sure

old small

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minecraft

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terraria

xd

kerbal space program

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small

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old

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yes

u

lol wat i dont think terraria survived just due to modding

well sure

ryouzki is old and small

but modding adds even more

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play calamity mod

no

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too complicated

https://calamitymod.gamepedia.com/Calamity_Mod_Wiki

Calamity Mod Wiki

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ah yes i enjoy killing the 5000th worm of eydolin in order to get the most overpowered book in the game

nouis u dont get the point

u dont have to enjoy every mod

i hate caring so much about this game

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wasted effort

lol im sure its a good mod, the texture pack is nice but like i wouldnt play it

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i agree mods keep a lot of games alive

https://lua-api.factorio.com/latest/

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best modding api

but when talking about server controlled ui, modding api and stuff... for a long time tw dev was 100% dead. ddnet would have had the possibility to add all these. until today there are just a few mostly hardcoded things, everybody is still concerned about being compatible with ancient ddnet clients and tw 0.6. Implementing a proper, flexible modding system isn't that easy

i think ddnet played a big part in keeping tw alive

i don't deny that

@redix thats bad because you don't want to make a pvp mod with a custom UI based on ddnet code

everybody is still concerned about being compatible with ancient ddnet clients and tw 0.6.

i think it is because a majority of players (? i think) are still using 06 based client

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at least if u break it down by the amount of time spent playing

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the majority of playtime comes from 0.6 users

but some ui would have been good... adding chat commands for everything it really not user (or at least beginner) friendly. People here tend to love console interfaces... most people just dont

We can migrate to 0.7 without taking the things we don't want, it's just the amount of work

i just see alot of the upgrades/possible upgrades for 0.7 as things that couldve been added to 0.6

I don't see anything in 0.7 that would justify the move though

im still waiting for ddnet to go standalone

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bye bye chiller greenthing

that's what i was talking about with supporting 0.6 and old ddnet versions

I only see disadvantages. Missing features, network roadblocks

and messy code

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and ugly skins

breaking compatibility gives new opporunities and you can remove a lot old crap

yeah

Nah 0.7 is better than 0.6 in terms of code cleanliness

a ddnet standalone with a protocol breaking change, where everyone is forced to update, would bring us the opportunity to cleanup the protocol and lot of stuff

There is the new token protocol which is cute

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That's it

it would even get optimized

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better time precision, less things in the snapshot used only for vanilla

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etc

well the ugliest part of ddnet is probably the phsyics code :D no way to rework this without breaking a huge amout of maps

in some situations is looks good, in this obviously not

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but it's not like the blurry outlines used everywhere else look perfect

no one uses shadowed text nowadays

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cuz it looks like 2000

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its rly bad

the whole ui is old-fashioned as fuck

[9:59 AM] Learath2: I don't see anything in 0.7 that would justify the move though

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yes

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my opinion confirmed by a real dev (edited)

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it happend tho

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stop fighting it

chiller

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ill fight u

ye

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lets fight

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1on1

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if you guys were more involved in the vanilla dev process you could have mentioned it before not after

how would that have changed antyhing lol

they think the chat is rly good

its not like you can expect vanilla to downgrade now

better than before

let's just be real... nobody would have cared

vanilla is downgrading itself

nobody=Oy

upgrading to 0.7 protocol does not mean using vanilla 0.7 chat design

we dont have to upgrade to a dead game

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we are the game

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"upgrade"

and still much work was put into the bridge thing...

0.7 > 0.6 guys !! 111 1 but teeworlds 0.6 > teeworlds 0.7, obviously...

cuz learath for some reason cared enough

first one is just math

also you should know most tw main devs hate ddnet with passion

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with good reason, its too good

main tw devs=?

oy dune that guy with a virtual face etc

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oy literally said it on forum

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he hates it

https://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=119733#p119733

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this is oy minset

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i will never expect anything from vanilla

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Teeworlds always has been about simplicity and minimalism and that's not going to change. It's not turning into an anti-Teeworlds like ddnt or become mod-friendly etc..

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quoting him

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his signature

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is there any plans to allow envelopes to activate when a certain switch has been pressed?

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would allow for some very sweet and very useful map designs

if you add that, you should add sound effects on button press, too

ye

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if it's not too hard to implement, i think it would pay off

but no vanilla compat

doesn't infclass have something similar

edg-l

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #2539 Segfault on Server when trying to load a map that doesn't exist

``` (gdb) run Starting program: /home/ryozuki/Documents/ddnet/build/DDNet-Server [Thread debugging using libthread_db enabled] Using host libthread_db library "/usr/lib/libthread_db.so.1". [New Thread 0x7ffff6880700 (LWP 29353)] [2020-08-06 20:39:42][engine]: running on unix-linux-amd64 [2020-08-06 20:39:42][engine]: arch is little endian [New Thread 0x7ffff607f700 (LWP 29354)] [New Thread 0x7ffff587e700 (LWP 29355)] [2020-08-06 20:39:42][storage]: couldn't open storage.cfg [2020-0...

Multimap server best

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ChillerDragon

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #2540 07 map support (flop)

I tried to add 0.7 map support but it didn't work. I decided to pr anyways lol

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ChillerDragon

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2540 07 map support (flop)

before this, i searched "kill furry"