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This channel is for all Teeworlds/DDNet and related chat. Gameplay questions can be asked here as well rather than in #questions. Ingame screenshots and any other Teeworlds related media goes to #showroom.

Between 2020-06-20 00:00:00Z and 2020-06-21 00:00:00Z

banime

what does mean Novice (Perma)

@Bartus2115 #announcements

oo

@deen Thanks for this novice server, my friend hardly ever plays teeworlds and she's bad, so I think she'll happy she can search novice easily

09:24

brownbear

heartw

does anyone have a nice folder of (preferably ddnet) 0.7 maps?

what do you mean by that?

09:30

These are all the ddnet maps converted to 0.7: https://maps.ddnet.tw/compilations/maps7.zip

oh awesome thats exactly what i was looking for

I hope multimap is on perma novice

09:38

Multimap is the perfect map

@ᶰ°Konͧsti proven by the 0.7 community

wat

09:38

Who plays 0.7

09:38

troll

this guy im playing with justatest

justatest

Only trolls

09:40

What does mean role testing?

that u have access to testing channels

Oh ok

wait 0.7 ddnet maps must have the 0.7 compression, no?

09:57

trying out my parser with 0.7 maps right now, and i dont get any issues while it doesnt realize that the layers are compressed

Finaly! 0.7 too ❤️ (edited)

@deen maybe make a competition for creating the logo for steam kek

kek

10:16

I guess people would attend to this

does anyone have a nice folder of non-ddnet 0.7 maps? any maps will do :)

standard maps @Patiga ?

i just found the teeworlds-maps repository

10:38

but more would still be nice :)

why i cant see ger servers

on 0.7? they have been disabled again

on 0.7 ddnet servers, hookthrough's not work as it should (either old or new) (edited)

you mean the prediction!

10:45

?

around that

10:46

it works with some hook but most of it wont register anyway

10:46

idk if zillywoods have that problem, somebody else need to check that

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12:51

feelssurprisedman

I was looking at TW 0.7 menus

just don't copy paste the GUI

found out they use a sprite for the serverbrowser globe, not a unicode glyph

why is kobra 4 in novice perma

switched it with multimap, better?

kobra 4 best beginner map lmao

14:02

when perma brutal servers

@gigi7187 really or no?

14:03

I'm not sure because I remeber starting a few newcomers on Kobra 2, but others told me it's not that good

wtf kobra 4 is good

14:04

why not add both

done

kobra 4 one of the most played novice maps

multimap is the perfect novice map

2

multimap sux

14:27

i think ddnet should have a more simplistic logo

Anyone here having good connections to the DDNet Iran/Persian community? I'm curious if there are any good hosters in Iran where I can pay directly as a foreigner. (edited)

yes i know some troll

troll

troll

troll

troll

1

admin or modo here ?

Yes?

can you join a ddnet srv ?

14:43

with player called Symela02

2

14:46

ty

Hi there ! I'm new to ddnet I play since 1 month maybe a bit more, and I made a map, can someone help to to understand how to release my map, maybe find some people to test it, and how to grade it etc.. this kind of stuff

@tak post it in #📬submit-maps and people will test it

Thanks @Ravie i'll do that ! And what about rate the difficulty of the map ? i'm too noob to grade a map nicely :/

we will rate it if it's ready for a release, keep in mind though that most people's first map is not good enough for a release, but you will still get some useful tips

Ok i'll post it when I found a good name xD Sure thing sir ! I know I shouldn't be release but I need to improve so i'll try anyway

thanks a lot !

16:04

Oh and is a background images etc.. is mandatory for a map ?

yes, u should put effort into making a design for the map

16:05

if u dont know how there are people that can help you

@tak https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=722

16:06

maybe this will help you

@murpi Yeah a loooot ! I'm reading all of those thing and I miss lot of thing ahah Thanks !

how can i report a bug on a map?

in showroom if you have a pic

16:29

or to admins directly

okay i've posted it in showroom

general not showroom

16:47

showroom is for montages etc not issues or whatever

i would like to report a bug then on Just Triple Fly

17:03

if you go with speed u go through your dummy

17:03

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@Moderator guys are kicking all who joins the server on RUS Novice. They are making t0 ranks (jb axe) (edited)

I'm guessing an admin will just join and password it?

map is old af so we probably shouldn’t fix it

good point 10/10

@PeX what is the problem with team 0 rank skip

kicking people is the problem

The problem is that you go to the server and get banned for no reason (not once) About t0.. Just wonder how people care about t0 ranks while it says nothing cuz it becomes a competition "who uses assistants more"

@PeX if you get kicked then you know ah alright they team 0 skip and you join a new server

17:50

It is just fun

17:50

Nobody cares really about the rank

some maps are fun to t0 skip

17:58

also its free rankpoints so

‍♀️

"free"

btw why is there no point fixing and old maps bug? xd

it’s kinda unfair to everyone who failed

18:04

we always handled it like this

18:05

only fixing entity bugs and start line skips on old maps

i see just face away from problems because someone already did it

18:07

cool thing

we had a lot people complain for fixing old maps

18:09

ur just seeing this from ur pov because it negatively affects u personally now

i had bug on other "new" map too still it hasnt got fixed

i fixed like 100 released maps

18:12

just because i happened to not fix ur 2 maps it doesn’t mean we dont do it at all

Why effort for a design nobody sees cuz all players use entities?

not all

hi guys im jao

@ᶰ°Konͧsti cool designs give ur map 10000x more clout

They dont

yes they do

no

if i see shitty design i'll think its a shitty map

A good map has a good gameplay

19:27

It doesnt get a single better or worse by design

ye but if a mapper shows they put effort into the map it's most likely they put good effort into gameplay too

no

19:27

Design is Art

19:27

Some people cant art

its easy to learn how to design teeworlds maps

19:27

u dont need a college degree

Its not about the know how

19:28

Its like art in the school

19:28

Some can, Some cant

1

f4 u just need to try and u will be able to

19:33

everyone started out with terrible designs but if u put in like an hour of effort u can learn

how would you know a map design is terrible

KEK

1

19:33

if you just play in entities

KEK

1

art is not a thing of trying if u have no talent for it

u dont need talent to make teeworlds maps designs

yeah just copy another map justatest

justatest

@ᶰ°Konͧsti ur art itself konsti, ur one of a kind

f3

lol

Trashtalk as always by nouis

i f3ed abc but ryostupid sniped me with his message (edited)

I just realized

20:25

USA has more Moderators than actual players

20:25

kek

i swear kobra 4 and multimap dont fit in novice perma justatest

justatest

they dont

20:26

multimap is bad map tbh

I just got an idea

multimap is faily and long and kobra 4 is long and it doesnt have ez parts only justatest

justatest

justatest

justatest

20:27

one of my friends cant even do the unhook rehook thing

We could pick divide maps by sectors

20:27

Pick up some maps for each one

yeah the unhook rehook is actually p hard

And dont let people go to the next sector without going to the next one

20:28

Mb only for novice-moderate

and you need those for those maps (prolly other maps in the list too)

But acutally that would make a good skill filter

what if u use smurf account justatest

justatest

Wdym

wdym wdym

Wdym smurf

@gigi7187 really or no?

@deen my first fin was on kobra 1, idk about starting on kobra 4. its kinda hard if you do it for the very first time playing. maps like just2easy are great cuz they are short and ez, so almost everyone can finish without taking too long.

20:59

but kobra 4 defo good map for people who are just not ready yet for mod

21:01

and it would be cool to see a map made explaining things like entities and helping the player set his binds

i started with kobra 4 and it was a lot fun and helpful

there are a couple parts towards the end of kobras that are hard blocks though

I started with stronghold feelsamazingman

feelsamazingman

but yeah kobra is decent to start on, you may never finish it until you get a little more experience though

the noob filters are not great to have for maps for new players

none of the maps are ideal for new players

21:11

but its he best we got

should ask mappers to create maps that would fit the novice perma srv if ur gonna allocate a bunch of servers specifically for them

we asked for tutorial maps, no one did it successfully in 3 years

justatest

2

o i wasnt aware

you really cannot make something easier than like stepbystep that can still be enjoyable for everyone

add mud to perma server

even mud is too hard

but like how

it uses unintuitive sg weapon and some other stuff

21:13

id say mud is like on the harder end of novice

well yea

stepbystep also a bit hard lol

21:14

if im remembering the map correctly

I started on multimap bc there is a whole server dedicated to it on steam version (I started tw on steam) and I couldn't get past the first part solo for a week

yeah which is bad

multimap legendary map

stepbystep isnt hard my friend completed it justatest

justatest

there are many other players like u who probably get stuck and ragequit

its a test to every new player

it has it's own server on 0.7

wtf

21:34

kobras are literally the best maps to learn ddrace

21:34

+ multimap

no

tell me a better map

just2easy

nah

21:37

its to ez

21:37

you learn nothing

lol wut

21:37

its definitely not too easy

i played it with an 25+ years old boomer

21:38

its to ez

its too easy because u were there..

21:39

put 2 25 years old boomers completely new to the game in a kobra

21:39

they wont complete it

they will play with others

21:40

who guide them

ye

if ur total new u cant do shit on any map

playing kobra t0 is the best way to learn ddrace

thats such a bad player experience perspective

21:41

lol

21:41

ur basically saying "they will learn if ppl are there to carry them"

thats how it works

no

21:41

newxer players should be able to learn the game without rlying on other ppl

21:41

thats basic game design tbh lol

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21:42

kobra has 20k finishers

21:43

and short maps like glassbox have ~6k

ye that’s how it works because we dont have a tutorial

21:43

no one said its good

21:43

but a new player wont finish any of those maps without help

21:44

eg the gores on just2easy is impossible for a new player

what does the amount of finishes even haev to do with that

21:44

oO

21:44

@jao yeah

finishers*

21:45

not finishes

yes

21:45

and how is it relevant

kobra also has a lot of unintuitive tune zone parts

only kobra 4

21:46

and it is still under the most finished maps

for a new player its a good experience

ofc its relevant

its not

21:48

what does it show?

21:48

its novice and popular

21:48

great

it shows that people are more motivated to play maps like kobra than the basic 0815 novice maps

no

21:49

those are only players familiar with the game

21:49

new players aren't going to hop on the game for the first time and go like "yo, i really wanna play kobra 4"

21:49

they're just playing whatever map is on novice at the time

21:49

and players who already know the game won't be playing on the easiest maps that would be best for new players, they would play longer/more advanced novices like kobras and other things

no it just shows that kobra is more popular

21:50

than other maps

21:50

lol

dude

21:50

and why it is more popular

21:50

cuz its the best map to learn

no

21:50

wtf

21:51

its just an old map

time to start a taxi service in ddnet

no lol

that everyone knows

its popular because its a good novice map

21:51

how is that related to being the "best map to learn"

kobra isnt that old lol

how far of a stretch is that?

just2easy is good imho

21:51

for nobos

its not

it is

kobra is better

its the map i use to introduce ppl

just2easy has more finishes

21:52

by ur logic

21:52

its better

4* novice better than 1* novice??????????

ok boomer

21:52

ye

not for new ppl

trust me

he doesnt realize new players dont always have a friend

21:53

to explain them

21:53

the game

21:53

so he thinks kobra is better

true

kobra sux

21:53

the opening move is like

21:53

literally drag

21:53

which is hard

21:53

for new players

the parts on just2easy are harder than on kobra

GWjiangoOmegaLUL

LOL

u just said its too easy

21:54

wtf

LOL WHAT

oh

21:55

50/50

21:55

50% to ez

21:55

50% to hard

21:55

unbalanced

21:55

newbies cant do the rocket jump solo

ye

lmao

yes they can

neither map is great for beginners

21:56

@plsplsplslol come my srv

that part is actually good

no theyc ant

for them to learn that

lmfaoo

its literally rocket up a wall

its hard af

you dont even have to time it

to get the timing

21:56

and its hard to know what angle to hold + when to dj

there is no timing lol

on jsut2easy you dont need the timing

u just hold it

yes there is

21:56

no

no

21:56

its just hold fire after you jump

first jump/dj needs timing

21:56

no

no it doesnt

u need momentum

21:56

so u gotta time the first

21:56

yeah

no you dont its so short

urretarded

if u just jump and hold its not gonna work

21:56

trust me

21:57

u guys just used to rocket jump

21:57

go on just2easy and try it

wtf

it wont work if u just press space and hold rocket

i waited 15min cuz a friend couldnt do that rocket solo ryo

21:57

its just annoying

he learnt it

People have so different learning speed

21:58

FLUSHED

my first map was plan b

21:58

moderate

who asked

I saw a guy who played two hours and could do most of kobra parts fast enough

lol

u guys have to understand this is a free game. nobody pays money for this game, so they don't have the obligation to play as much as if it were a paid game. So, most people just find it on steam, give it a quick run, and if it doesn't grab their interest within the first few minutes, they usually ragequit

Thats why it has such low online

22:00

And its sad

cuz they are bad

No

22:01

Thats cuz they dont even know the possibilities of the game

cuz they are bad

everyone is bad when they start out

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I understand “bad” as people, who learn slow

nah

And this also depends on how much you want it

bad = people who are to lazy

22:04

to learn

Yeah i mean pretty much the same

also i think the teeworlds steam page shoud show and explain mutliple gamemodes, bc so far it only shows vanilla wich is dead af

being eager to learn doesnt give you free knowledge

22:05

you'll still have to learn it step by step

Tw devs only want vanilla to be played for some reason

actually

The more you want it the faster you do it

you just need to play kobra 1-4 a few times

22:05

and you know the basics

22:05

and more

Still didnt finish the third one btw

yeah but play just2easy once

well you cant do that when you dont have a good player next to you

and you have finished a map, know the basics of the game. and maybe even had fun cuz its on your lvl

dude new players dont even know what they should do to learn

fax

Bumm saying ppl are bad

ddnet is easy to learn if someone tells you waht to do

1

1

1

Joke

Lexin

its known im the most pro hee

22:06

here

like what youre doing right now

u are all bad

Caventure is actually a good map to learn and train

dummy map

true

fuck off lmao

@Ryozuki bumm would say u 10 0

nah

22:07

caventure is WAYY too hard for absolute beginners

caventure 1 first part is a faily gorey drag

if you want to go novice to mod id reccomend caventure

The biggest pro is me who has 400 points in 4 years after finishing the first map sunglasses_cowboy

sunglasses_cowboy

Friend of mine finished caventure like 6-7 times

moderate is rly nice, there are actually rly good maps in mod

LOL caventure is terrible for nobos

blagk maps are rly good

First finish was 160min

ez lets go stronghold

wtf

best first map

blagk maps are hard af

they are cool

ye

Stronghold btw is kinda bad because of focusing on hammerhit

stronghold is good

@<BµmM> daydrive is a rly good map

ye

Still nice to play

net.tw/ranks/moderate/#map-DayDrive

lmao just playing stronghold gives ppl autist playstyle

https://ddnet.tw/ranks/moderate/#map-DayDrive

But technically...

the current meta sucks

22:09

stronghold meta

22:09

is shit

22:09

genericore was much more ufn

22:10

or hardcore series

nah

22:10

all hh maps suck

yah

22:10

no

everyone can hh

22:10

just go 4p team and ez fin

u dont know the joy

22:10

genericore 5 with 20 team man

t0 lmao

noobs fail there

22:10

trust me

its like playing gores

??

its either too hard for u

t0 is the most fun of ddnet lol

or you have to carry the whole team

who doesnt enjoy flexing on obos

me

thats why im waiting for steam

22:11

time to flex

t0 best team

@gigi7187 well, sad for u but most ppl like t0

22:12

u can still enjoy ur team maps

yeah i guess

team forced maps suck

30 ppl team on stronghold and fail

ye

team maps suck because you die when you try to play

Seriously this happened to me

and then you have to do noobfilter again

just dont die then

think

4

but how do i know its teamforced then

chat

tbh novice is like a tutorial, the fun part is at brutal maps

"please join team before starting"

sad for ppl who miss it

22:13

they will never know the depth of ddnet

it should say "join team or you will die"

tru

22:14

just full caps

22:14

JOIN TEAM OR DED LMAO

it says that

22:14

noti n caps

22:14

but if u read it says it

i cant read

sux

justatest

lmao

Join team or you will format.red(“DIE”)

JOIN TEAM OR DED LMAO

22:14

nice xd

just make it play an earrape audio file everytime someone joins

noby

troll

I can make such file

@mods we have a great idea

But youll have to wait til the next day

@<BµmM> best thing was the shitwars in forum tho

@gigi7187 add @snail he is the communtiy supporter

feelsbadman

not anymore

xDD

22:16

true

bring idea into developer lmao

im a developer

greenthing

Just put a sound tile on each map to play the file

nah just everytime someone joins

On your maps

like the server message sound

22:17

but an earrape JOIN TEAM OR DED LMBAO

22:17

for everyone

even if not all join tho, steam release will help a lot giving visibility

wait what

and i will know how many hours i have in ddnet

oh ddnet steam release

does steam actually give tw a push?

yeah woud be gud

when i used to replace ddnet on steam but i dont for long time

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its where most ppl get tw 7.+

22:18

at least i did

yes it does

Imagine having an opportunity to choose the version in ddnet

how much new player?

jesus 1.9k hours

And probably this will be possible with steam

quite lot

22:19

0.7 has 367 players

22:19

xd

lol

1.9k hours isnt that big

i mean ddnet does not have a lot more does it

But huge still

1.9 hours is a shit ton of time

@Bomb | DerpDEX | Ambit Finance its not my total hours by far btw

22:19

i only played on steam for some time

22:19

and it wasnt even there when i started

I get it

greenthing

i started in 2017

i have 0 hours on steam justatest

justatest

same

ryo has like 1000 steam games

prob played an average of 1.5 hours a day

2017

22:20

his acc is 10k€ worth

no lol

mine is like 1k now

his sister has an only fans

justatest

2

cuz of bundles

22:20

i have an only fans

lmao

Everyone has

https://onlyfans.com/gigi7187

OnlyFans

22:20

quick plug

FLUSHED

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22:21

yes sure 10k

give sneak peak

lmao it locked my acc

22:21

cuz inactive

ok 4k is not that far off from 10k

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Holy fvcking shit dude

22:21

4k euro

ryo what website is that

io didnt pay

22:21

4k€ euro btw

yeah what site

22:22

https://steamdb.info/calculator/

Steam Calculator

This page will calculate the approximate value of your Steam account by looking up your games on your Steam community profile, using the current prices for each game on the Steam store.

22:22

this one?

TotalSpend 2020-06-19 10:28:37.573 $3,476.38

ohh lmao im not even 1k

this is the total

22:22

lmao

22:22

https://help.steampowered.com/en/accountdata/AccountSpend

3.4k

justatest

jesus

3.4k over the course of 7 years

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22:23

lmao

22:23

small stæm playe

22:23

i guess

mine is probably worth like 5 cents

mines is worth $0

lmbao

22:24

invest in csgo skins

mines is worth $-4

22:24

@gigi7187 no fuck trading

lmfao

https://steamcommunity.com/groups/teeworldsddrace

Steam Community :: Group :: TeeWorlds DDrace

A fan group of TeeWorlds DDrace gamemode

22:24

lmao

22:24

i made that

22:24

in 2015

but we should indeed get ddnet on steam

gdin is there xd

and name the novice (perma) serves different

22:25

@deen

22:25

just make it beginner servers or smth

22:26

cuz it looks just the same as all other servers now

22:26

back when i started playing my english was lacking so i did not even know what novice meant lmfao

I couldnt even read english when i first time played tw wut

wut

22:28

I was just randomly joining servers and didnt know the mode even

yeah same tbh

22:28

i mean i could read english

22:28

but i had no fucking clue what novice and butal meant

22:28

novice and moderate*

You could at least remember the mode (edited)

22:29

Uh i remember first time meeting teeworlds maybe ten years ago

22:29

Or more

22:30

How tf do i remember that even

yeah

22:30

Beginners sounds better

fax

22:30

and maybe even introduce more gamemode

22:30

s

22:31

but only allow for example votes for 1* solo

it doesnt

22:31

sound better

but its ezier to read and find

22:31

ddrace beginner server

that basically makes it a shame to play on for any older player

There should be a guide right before choosing the language and the nickname

lmao

Which will explain what each popular mode is and what servers there are on ddnet

the server names shouldnt be categorizing skill levels

22:32

its just about the map difficulty

22:32

not whether ur a noob or not

then why make a perma novice server in the first place

22:32

lmao

what

make the server name Beginner maps

22:32

or smth

if you are gonna make it for beginnerrs

for steam players to have servers to play on

yes thank you louis that was my idea

its the same shit

22:33

its like renaming brutal to "pro maps"

what

22:33

are you have the dumb

?XD

we are not talking about steam anymore

[12:32 AM] gigi7187: then why make a perma novice server in the first place

22:33

im answering to that

22:33

what is not clear

22:33

in my answer

22:33

we wanna make perma novice servers for steam players

22:33

get it or no

nvm i have the dumb

We all do

but i mean

22:34

we shoud rename the DDNET GER - NOVICE (PERMA)

22:34

to something like DDNET BEGINNER - ....

22:34

so its ez to find

22:34

cuz there are so little servers

what new player is gonna see NOVICE (PERMA) and see "oh yeah thats the server that has all the easy maps"

2

2

2

1

22:34

should name it Novice Maps

22:34

or smth similar

22:34

not novice perma

The begginer ger/rus/etc.

when u first start the game ur default search is on "novice"

22:35

so yesu will see the novice servers

which is a terrible way to do it btw

not rly

should be a one time thing, not have it searched on novice

its much better than leaving 200 server vhoice

if ppl dont see the novice thing at the bottom they may be stuck on novice forever

snail

But we still have people who clear it and join insane servers

thats not the point

[12:34 AM] louis: what new player is gonna see NOVICE (PERMA) and see "oh yeah thats the server that has all the easy maps"

22:36

how is it not hte point

22:36

its exactly the case

how is it the point

as of today

22:36

when ur a new player u only see nvice servers

no cuz everyone removes that novice out of serch bar to look for other shit

what

like other gamemodes n shit

source just trust me bro

look

22:37

Image attachment

22:37

this

22:37

is bad

ye

22:37

to any player it basically looks like any othe server

idc if you start the game with novice in your search bar

Also how do people get what perma means

theres not a diff between DDNet GER - Novice and DDNET GER - Novice (Perma)

22:37

when novice is in the search bar

22:38

it shows both perma and normal srv right?

if that would be the solution we would not need perma novice servers in the first place

so they wouldn't know which one is correct

Then put novice (perma) in search bar

if they join the normal srv and the map gets voted to some insane map its uh oh time

yes

yeah im not fan olf the "perma" either

lmao

22:38

das what we are saing

or yeah change filter to novice perma

22:38

no u were saying to rename novice into beginner..

no

22:38

not at all

"ok"

im saying rename the perma servers

22:38

lmao

22:39

bomb and louis got that

bouis

nouis

imo you'd have to be kinda retarded to not know what perma means

Maybe [Begginer maps] Novice (Perma) GER -

or just young

22:39

and not english

22:39

lmao

im not even english origin

me neither

and i know that perma means permanent

yes

22:40

cuz you speak eng properly

I could get what novice means only after three years of studying english

22:40

Mb its cuz im stupid

22:40

But still

yeah it is

22:40

lmao

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@plsplsplslol whats ur ingame name

justatest

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abcqwerty

abcqwerty

Ok

i had to think how to spell qwerty lmao

22:41

em dump

@gigi7187 qwerty is on your keyboard

ah

22:41

yes

22:41

thanks

this looks way better

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22:51

cant be just me

22:52

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DDNet GER Nouis [DDraceNetwork]

The problem with having it as Beginner is that those servers would often be empty

23:00

even for Novice we already have that problem, but Beginner would be even worse

Wym

23:02

Cuz ppl dont want te be seen as "beginner"?

these easy maps are not played much anymore

23:02

no, all the beginner servers might just be empty

23:02

some new guy joins, sits around 2 mins and leaves forever

23:03

worse experience than joining a harder map

Yea thats a fact

23:03

Make bots lmao

no just add more solo

That's how I started btw, on a really hard map (at least for me). Took me 1-2 weeks to even finish the map, always playing the same one daily

Nah but the main problem indeed is that there are too little entry lvl players

tbh new players should start on solo

23:04

teamplay is like really hard and should be given after players get a foundation

great: "Here's our cooperative game, but play alone first, noobs!"

Lmao yeah

23:04

Plus solo borimg af

23:04

When ez too

f4 solo so fun

23:04

tutorial should be solo at least

tutorial was supposed to have a bot

since it should work by itself

that you can play with

oh

23:05

well

23:05

dummy then

That would high key be dope

i was gonna make a tutorial map

23:05

but

Nah not just a map like a different tab with some tutorials

23:05

In the upper screen

i dont think that would work very well

Like dummy introduction

cuz u have to actually play it to learn

Could speed up learning

23:07

If you have a bot that automaticly hammers you in a fly n shit

23:07

Not dummy hammer

23:07

Dummy hammer sucks

23:07

Hard to play with

nah

thats why i said caventure, you can play that shit solo

bot that automatically hammers in a tutorial would be jank af

23:37

no caventure is too hard for new players

23:37

u have to know how to dummy drag lol

u can make an easier version and its not that hard lol

23:38

u can do it slow

lol u have to know how to connect dummy and join team

hook roof - hook dummy - hook roof (edited)

23:38

i just said u can make an easier version, but its kinda a good way to go

23:39

atleast the map shows the potential in tw of what u can do

just ask some good mapper if he can do a tutorial map

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easy

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