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ok whoever the heck is admin on usa fng is STUPID

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I love louis

06:46

he's the best

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wait no nvm

:(

nouis

Anyone have some fun screenshots that show DDNet gameplay? Should be in 1920x1080 as PNG

for steam?

10:51

Yeah, usual Aoe content does it

?

it was from ddnet trailer wasnt it

i sent him the demo

10:52

its not his

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as is

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this was for a pic

ah

14th August 2015

10:52

https://www.facebook.com/DDraceNetwork/photos/a.1486956198286104/1486964834951907/?type=1&theater (edited)

DDraceNetwork

Screenshot-Flashmob, 14th August 2015

@deen we should recreate it on Naufrage or Stronghold

10:52

those are pretty maps for it

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjRR2eCN2e4

Ryozuki

TeeWorlds DDrace Just2Easy #3 - Ryozuki

10:54

lots of old ppl there

10:54

Old people feels nostalgic af

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Np_tD-gdQfQ

Ryozuki

TeeWorlds DDnet 2nd Birthday Tournament

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lots there too

11:02

when ddnet was 2 y old

@Ryozuki

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ye+

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good old times

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Imagine kamillentee alive

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Pog

is ur brother

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alive

yes

He played gores on my pc a few days ago

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Lanux was alive last month

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@ᶰ°Konͧsti

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KICK INDEX

best forum mod

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xd

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@ᶰ°Konͧsti nealson the botter xd

nealson legend

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And botter

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FELS

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rip him

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I was biggest fanboy of fels

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ddnet gameplay greenthing

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deen broadcast always Huge troll

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rip quality

That's not really representing regular gameplay

ik, i felt like posting it

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCP_Wj-ILtY

s3c0nd2

Teeworlds DDRace Adrenaline 3

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actual gameplay

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@deen does this look good

nope, missing the HUD and also weird effects everywhere

ah

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you wanty hud

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i thought u wanted a pretty pic

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should it show names

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?

i guess

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xdd

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this was a run on hardcore 10 with some players who had some fun ^^

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I have over 2k screenshots lol

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im pretty sure no chat and no nameplate would be ideal

i lost all of them when rebooting my computer 2x feelsbadman

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11:24

this will attract steam players

11:24

for sure

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+1

@deen do we have a trailer video?

11:30

ah theres aoe's

@snail perfect choice, we should use this, a pic from multimap and koule I

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The team0 experience

This fail will atttact everyone to play

oof

Nah 36 minutes isn't good enough, we should use like a 1000 minute one

11:54

Want to waste 16 hours of your life, play ddnet

Maybe i have screen Where im fved with 1500 minutes on last part on brutal map xD

Good idea @Cellegen | HU

12:39

And option in settings to turn on old ddnet client look

Anyone know how to get in touch with Bixes & Themix?

go to the map called Delirious and meditate at the shrine of bixes for 24 hours. if the lights start flickering, consider yourself lucky. bixes spirit will be there listening to your wishes

themix though idk

@deen

13:07

@Themix is the biggest Themix

13:08

@Lenah said that Bixes were online these days maybe he knows how to contact

? fake news dunno who this person is tbh

13:24

@ᶰ°Konͧsti this Bixes last finishes tho poggers

@deen i have a bit of contact with Themix I could write him to get in contact with you

Themix is doing big map right now

13:33

Hi there, I just finished Desoxyribonukleinsäure in a team and it doesn't show it when i /teamrank

13:33

/rank shows it though

HMM

aoe trailer

@deen bixes is online rn

:O

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Best mapper

Anyone know how to reach Rogue?

rogue the mapper?

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idk

yes

theres a mapper called rogue?

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oh

https://ddnet.tw/mappers/-187-Rogue-46-/

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@Moderator pls ban Shane euston on ger map estern

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16:31

blocking at the start

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with pushmymushsir

so I am getting banned for 30 minutes for doing a part in a different way that it is supposed to be? @murpi better check before listening to players like ryozuki. i think ddnet learned in the past that he is not the most reliable person x)

no, you killed 2 people on purpose

16:36

almost a 3rd

thats a lie

I spy with my little eye, a new Prankster

ye

but yeah mods on ddnet and their player base

he has a revenge on me btw

i guess killing other players counts as "doing a part in a different way that it is supposed to be"

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@Deleted User careful, Prankster is like one of the only 3 people that managed to acquire a permanent ban

16:37

in the history of ddnet that is

i mean not even one person of you knows what i wanted to do.

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and why the fuck would i randomly start blocking but every other day is fine

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come on..

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this is messed up people

what were u trying to do?

As with all other complaints, you are free to send admins a demo if you don't like a mods behaviour

onby skip the part

16:39

no need you guys got your dynasty without questioning behaviours or players

u blocked and its a fact

i wasnt there to see what happened so i cant judge but did u kill other people on purpose?

i got the demo

onby i did not

Just out of curiosity, can I take a look @Ryozuki?

why do people say u did

well im playing rn

onby because ryozuki is mad at me

[11:35 AM] murpi: no, you killed 2 people on purpose

oh yeah and because murpi xD

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he banned me i think

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dont matter

16:41

i didnt block on purpose

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ryozuki is just mad cuz he is ryo

well if u cant do the part without killing people just dont do it

Oh ay guys

"ryozuki is just mad cuz he is ryo" oh makes sense

@Deleted User do u have the demo?

Huge troll allert

@snail cocorico

first you threw klex into a pit while he was spec, second you intentionally killed Dr.Anal, then continuesly blocked pushmymush while they were doing the part as intended (edited)

murpi i wanted to do the part and this push guy blocked me 24 6

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and you didnt stop after asking you to stop blocking

i couldnt do it cuz he always hooked me

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murpi cuz i got chat turned off

nice

Lol huge nobo

i always check in f1

Don't listen to mods means fair banhammer

[11:41 AM] ghf: i didnt block on purpose

onby its up to you who to believe in. there is nothing left to say to this situation

around min 1

Executive_2020-06-19_18-28-21.demo

5.39 MB

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@Learath2

i mean u kindof contradicted urself

min 1 to min 2 more or less

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i probably banned him when i was mod

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a blocker once a blocker always

lol he literally threw ryhozuki into kill

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a

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and he rq'd discord

xdd

Or he got banned by spreading fake news think_bot

no

There is something very broken about that demo

yueah

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it crashed my client 3 times too

XD

one moment

yeah

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it also crashed my client

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once

pleb with 8mb file size restriction

[2020-06-19 19:47:57][demo]: demo version incremented, but not by ddnet

@Learath2 xd

:c

im using ddnet compiled from aur

did you split the demo?

i clicked on split first

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but didnt know how it worked

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so

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i just sent the full demo

I wonder wtf happened to this demo

@Learath2 that's my mistake

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i have pushed a fix

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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/commit/e36dc36b151d4d15e958855fc4b904d805bad55a sorry about that

Oh thank god, I was thinking I broke it

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@deen could we maybe fix up demos like this?

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ah just need to reconstruct the header to get the map name to fit

this version was never released

oh, that's great \o/

how can i find my screenshot

Which os?

config_dir.bat and then screenshots

deen why trying to reach old mappers thonkery

18:59

Rogue is dead for years already feelsbadman

Too bad

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Wanted to get confirmation that it's ok to use his map as a background for our Steam logo, see #showroom

he didn't make a contract out of it or any detailed mentions about his background so go for it

lmao like anyone who created maps wouldnt be proud to see his map there^^

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also this is an open source game, u dont need any confirmation KEK

Well you don't really give up your rights to your map when you publish it

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Actually I'm not completely sure about how it all works out legally

just using someone's map for a logo does not work out legally

why?

19:16

are u a lawyer

u dont have any rights on ur map in teeworlds

@jao I'm not a lawyer, but you don't need a lawyer here

19:17

the mapper did not give us rights to use the map to promote ddnet

the mapper gave the map to ddnet

In an open source game

to our usage

the mapper retains copyright over there map. you can make an argument that we are allowed to host it because the mapper gave it to us

idk if youre not a lawyer i guess u know as much as me

but for stuff not related to that (taking the map as a background image for our logo), it's a clear cut copyright violation

The map is part of DDNet and DDNet can do whatever it wants with it

this is not how copyright works @ᶰ°Konͧsti. it's irrelevant whether ddnet is open source

law is too complicated to say whats right or wrong

@jao not in clear-cut cases

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we can probably get away with it

its not clear cut imo because he offered the map to hs

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us*

Just add a rule "by publishing your map to DDNet you agree that DDNet is free to use it for any kind of thing"

you can do that

19:19

but that doesn't work retroactively

If we had that rule, yes that'd be clear cut

it does, "if you dont agree please make sure to tell us so we will delete all your maps"

19:20

I'm not a physicist either, but I can still explain some physics problems to people

But it could be that when he offered his map for us to host that he doesn't lose any rights to it but just gives us the right to host it.

how can u argue to judge that he only submitted it to be hosted and not for general ddnet usage

19:20

it’s not clear at all

No idea tbh

Im sure Rogue will go to the court when he sees his map in logo

Actually he wont even see its his

lmao

@ᶰ°Konͧsti https://discordapp.com/channels/252358080522747904/342454474117218334/723617913608732754

I sent him an email btw

inb4 he does and @deen loses his house

thanks @deen

does deen have a house

@Learath2 the trick is not to own a house

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well @heinrich5991 since he is the one publishing it

but it's ridiculous to claim that copyright does not apply here, @jao

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idk, we are both not lawyers so we cant know for sure if we are right or wrong

what

We have a lot of oldschool maps where u didnt ask the mappers

we're both not physicists, but I can still explain physics problems

All maps by Tsin are released against his will

law isnt that easy

@ᶰ°Konͧsti yes, that is probably illegal

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u need to study for it

wat?

19:23

same for physics

imo ddnet should start to start to release only licensed maps

@heinrich5991 ur index of maps is illegal :OO

so u think u would be successful as a lawyer?

Im gonna go to police now

without study?

Didn't someone give us the right to host the ddmax ones at the end?

@jao I don't think I'll be successful as a physicist either

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@ᶰ°Konͧsti you could argue that it has an archival exception. I took down maps of people who didn't want them up before

why do u want to explain physics then

because you don't need a degree for everything

@jao just because he isn't a physicist doesn't mean he doesn't understand a subset of physics

Porposal: create a rule that all maps given to ddnet will from now on be released under some license, which the mapper agrees with by submitting the map

law isnt straight forward like maths or whatever, u need to be aware of 10000 different cases etc

Alternatively, someone know a nice-looking map that we can use as background where the mapper is still available?

@Learath2 jesus, like how aoe made his trailer has a lot of maps that include other mapper's content and teeworlds trailer has the same too

but I can still understand some laws @jao

can we stop arguing about fair uses?

@Cellegen | HU That could be brushed away as fair-use probably

exactly (edited)

and copyright is one I have been reading a bit about, and privacy laws

@heinrich5991 does the fact that we aren't profiting off of ddnet relax the rules?

@heinrich5991 but ur an amateur lawyer after all

@heinrich5991 i don't wanna say bullshit but isn't there anything related to this fair use on DDNet's EULA?

Without heinreichs illegal map collection i would have lost GetSpeed 3

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@jao I'm an amateur physicists as well

@Learath2 no, profiting only increases punishment

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AFAIK

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(less sure about that one)

@heinrich5991 i would trust u if u show me an exact case like we have, like i would trust u if u show me an exact physics problem

@Cellegen | HU ddnet doesn't have an eula

but has a license to it

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it doesn't mention it

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rip

@jao even that is not enough, case law differs from jurisdiction to jurisdiction

@heinrich5991 so whatever heinrich says it doesnt matter?

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@Learath2 *

ah, it has a license, but that only applies to the source code @Cellegen | HU

huh XD

19:28

only that?

Anyway, in all likeness using that in the logo isn't as safe as a mapper that's around right now to give explicit permission

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The law of better safe then sorry and homeless

homeless lmao

@Learath2 to be honest, if mapper does not show activity on these related topics then he wouldn't care about it more or less, i was in that shoe too

@Learath2 for how much can he sue

not much

wtf who carfes its just like a half a part of a map

@jao we don't think they will sue. I just want to comply with the law

the tilesets arent even his

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most likely

@jao to who anyway? online police?

lmao

if ur very worried about it just like change a few blocks or just map a background urself

@heinrich5991 imo we already comply with it

Well afaik, atleast in the US (the most commonly discussed on the interwebz) they can sue for whatever profits we make, so that's 0

I dont understand why ddnet doesnt start releasing licensed maps. there is a space for it right in the map info which could be filled in automatically. sure, there are like 2000 maps which have no license on them already, but its better to start now then never. Porposal: create a rule that all maps given to ddnet will from now on be released under some license, which the mapper agrees with by submitting the map this would also be much more in line with how ddnet & teeworlds handles copyright

Then there is damages. I don't see how he'd otherwise profit off of the map which he lost because we used it

i mean, for an appreciation of credit does not hurt, instead does support other players on getting contacts on some info

I remember a discussion about this with aoe when he wanted to have his maps removed from ddnet

and shouldn't have negative relations

We really should have put a clear license out after the Aoe thing

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what happened with aoe

yeah probably the judge wouldnt do anything

He went a little less than sane and wanted all his maps nuked, then didn't, then did again, then didn't

lol

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when was that

Years ago

tried to find the topic on the forum but I think it got nuked

@Learath2 well i guess we could learn from that and start with the licensing :)

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since its just more future proof and hopefully avoids some problem in the future while clarifying how those maps are allowed to be used

Just dont care about the law

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@Patiga I guess we just never found a license the last time

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It's an unusual setup, we want the right to host it and use it in promotional materials, but the mapper shouldn't need to give up his rights to it either

19:56

Is there some license that allows that you know of?

well if we also want to allow other servers to use those maps, then those conditions sound incompatible

Hm, all maps to be released on ddnet must be public domain?

well some teeworlds-like license would be an option

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i dont know that much about licenses tho. imo maps are currently usually treated like they dont have any license

Yeah, that's why I said public domain, maybe something like unlicense?

*not like they have no license but instead as if they were in the public domain

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sounds like a good options

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*option

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imo any sensible license is a good start and we'll have to see how it pans out

Is it not worse if we find out a license doesn't allow what we want?

well yes, we should know that the license serves our prerequisites

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question is what exactly they are

how to hookfly with dummy?

unlicense does sound kinda teeworld-ish

@Smetanolub it takes a whole lot of practice

dry valley part is hard

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cant make it this shit stuck OUT OF MY WAY SON

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@Patiga or CC BY or CC BY-SA look like they could fit us

CC BY-SA sounds fair for the mappers

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by default

"gonna copyright my maps, so i won't get any revenue out of it and i just make a lot of fucking mess for no reason"

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sounds right

@Cellegen | HU its still your right to do so

yeah but at what cost

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what would the person gain from it

why would he care about the cost

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its a right

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just cuz here its stupid for you

cuz that's one heck of a priority for copyrighting your own map for some fucking reason

But we wouldn't release maps that aren't under a suitable license

CC BY-SA

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sounds good

make them public domain

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i would use the unlicense in my software, but i hear its ilegal in germany and that it gives problems (edited)

DDNet on steam, gonna buy it real fast poggers

I guess we can release any CC0, CC BY, CC BY-SA maps

i want to fiddle with the steam api

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whispers ingame that work through steam

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so u dont have to tab :o

@Ryozuki no steamapi for opensource peasants

wat

finally, you guys can work on the login system and the steam cloud and happy ending

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https://partner.steamgames.com/doc/sdk/uploading/distributing_opensource

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The Steamworks SDK is incompatible with some open source licenses, which may affect your ability to distribute open source software via Steam.

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Which Open Source Licenses are problematic for shipping on Steam? Generally, any license that has a so-called “copyleft” element will be problematic when combining code with the Steamworks SDK. The best-known example is GPL.

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i think MIT is compatible

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but im not sure

we have zlib

But I saw a GPL-licensed application on Steam! This can happen if the author of the code that is GPL-licensed has given the permission to do so. The author can of course always (a) decide to grant Valve a different license than the author grants everyone else or (b) decide that what the Steamworks SDK does is just a communication with a service that does not invoke the copyleft requirement of the GPL.

but it doesn't have a copyleft element

:o

Anyways, I don't think any of us would really want to integrate with steam too well

yeah

20:16

looks complicated too integrate when we also release outside steam

Maybe if we ever get accounts, one day we could let people link their accounts to steam

why is /map disable on novice (perma)

@<BµmM> New Novice (Perma) servers running that will always stay on Novice and only have a selection of easy maps for newcomers.

^^

yes ik

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but why cant i vote other selected maps

Cant you still vote from the menu?

i can vote from the menu

idk if its a bug

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@deen is it?

no

20:40

/map isnt aware of the voting list

true

its disabled because u would be able to vote any map

... duh

20:47

how about servers with no players on?

20:47

cant you /map when you are alone on that server?

no

20:48

u can join another server

nah fam, imma change every empty server to novice so people wont have an advantage on voting feelsamazingman

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best feature kek

its only on perma novice servers

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not normal servers

i see.

cellegen wants to complain without knowing whats going on

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i was just joking about that feelsbadman

20:51

we need to make more novice maps too

20:51

it has a pretty low selection

some pretty ones, not like a continuation of Kobra series

20:54

why isn't Cuboid on the novice (perma) server?

If a map isn't on there, it's because we didn't think of it

@Cellegen | HU there's a noob filter and the map looks relatively hard to me

to you?

“For me” and “to me” have different meanings

i just don't understand why would it be the case

21:35

a lot of begginer players were playing kobra, purple attack, multimap etc

That map is kinda hard for that level of maps

even kobra 2 is harder than that

21:36

and kobra 2 is considered as a beggining map

And i think kobra is played more by people who start understanding physics

that's main priority for ALL players

21:37

so show the maps where we show the essentials of those mechanics that involve physics

21:37

hammerhit, hammerfly, drag, etc

Ur kinda right

we dont want players to get to a baby level on understanding everything

21:38

if they want to learn those, they will

21:38

time will tell otherwise

Yo restart ger2 please? tear

@hmcger what's wrong with it?

Lagging

restarting it won't change the connection

add ez solo maps to perma novice server

there arent many ez solo maps :(

memento mori is pretty easy

bugabusepls

22:43

great it's 2 am again

ye

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im not sleepy either but i dont wanna code

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now im with nothing to do

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watch something

I was supposed to stop messing around with teeworlds stuff at about 2300 and catch up on some anime

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but nooooo, instead I break ddnet

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