DDraceNetwork - general

the thing is entities is considered cheating

08:01

why do we design maps when 95% of people play with entities on

08:01

its useless to design maps in my opinion as nobody cares about it at all

I don't like the fact that we have entities, a huge part of the mapping process is design and it's kinda like going to waste

@Chairn send me a fix (keeping the current behavior, so just remove the switch tile I guess)

thats why anti-entities maps arent played so much

i really appreciate well designed maps that include all the information, however thats more uncommon than i would like. teleporter checkpoints for example are rarely ever marked, and if they actually are marked, its often not thorough (for example its not clear if the cp extends to the ceiling or is actually only on the marked surface)

08:50

on some maps i can be certain that im not missing any significant information, thats sadly not really given for the majority of maps that currently exist

@Learath2 thanks to them I Can play the game, without my fps go down and a lot

@Ama I play maps without entities

10:54

I heard that most testers play with entities though, and thus the map design gets even less attention

@Neben have you tried the newer opengl renderer? that performs decently better on my shittier laptop

the thing is most of us arent great at game design and it shows pretty much in all maps that its hard to see which blocks are which

Personally I like good design and don't play with entities.

we are just some noobs trying to make maps playable

11:24

thing is we have no idea how to make everything visible for every monitor every brightness

Set contrast low and brightness low, if everything is visible it's good enough. Don't use the brightest possible colors. If you can't choose well-fitting colors use something like https://color.adobe.com/create

the thing is most maps arent playable without entities or at least for me they arent

11:27

the last map i played without was cokes novice map

11:27

it was all clear

@deen nice tool

@Learath2 3.x ?

Yep that

if design good, i play without

14:15

if design bad, entities oon

14:15

but pretty design ≠ good design

14:21

also if there are ever half freeze tiles i use entities no exceptions

if some of the designs would not be fckin shit, and I don't mean "not the prettiest", but rather things like mixing pink grass_main with bright green "sky" and black sun - like, literally just being sane and think for just a sec about whether it looks terrible - players wouldn't switch to playing with entities that easily. I also played in "normal" way for long until got totally tired of either cappy eye-hurting designs or, mostly, being unable to distinguish what is hookable block and what is something that mapper considered to be decoration in the background. And since we have custom entities bg... not a single reason to go back. Bit customized hook & unhook tiles in entities, very own background, and every map looks damn good to me. No matter by who it is or how it is designed.

guys

16:27

Update your client

how

16:27

D;

You can download a new copy from ddnet.tw or you can use the autoupdater if you aren't on macOS

how to use the autoupdater? xd

it should show that there is a new version on the bottom left

oh yea that´s not showin up

16:28

then you can get a new copy from ddnet.tw

do i need to unninstall this version»?

you don't install ddnet client per se, you just unpack the zip and run it

16:30

your settings aren't in the same folder as the client so you don't need to worry about that

ah ok

16:30

thx

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@redboy. Versionnumer 12073 is also used by a cheat client thats why you cant join with it

17:25

@Ama yeah spam all maps with switch tiles like Cavings I so nobody can play with entities. Much people are playing for a good or even perfect time and design is only annoying. Also id like to know exactly where teleporter leads me and so on. I doubt anyone would like a design like on Interlude where every entitie is marked even totele^^

@Wombat the concept of the map is that you have only a limited amout of time to finish the map

17:29

its just something i wanted to try but entities just killed the effect of having only limited amout of time to finish

17:30

but then ddnet made it so you can turn off quads and it became useless anyways

for maps that I really want to finish and are spammed with switches, I literally have entites version without switches on it >.>

cavings is only map with spam switch lul

@Soreu nice idea

@louis there was also one on KoG for prima aprillis ^^

But in general, i play only in entities because design is not uniform between maps, so you always get fucked because something is not what you think it is

17:50

+ colors, i got sensitive eyes and a lot of maps hurts visually

@Chairn That's why I always have this:

ye lol ppl dont know how to color maps

too many mappers use too bright colors, and full plain white clouds that "hides" part of the screen because of the brightness

bright isnt bad

17:51

same map w/o entities ^^

thats bad

17:51

actually

17:51

huge ass bright suns suck

17:51

idk why ppl use them

ask @ChillerDragon in this case

Entities allows uniform gameplay in all maps

17:53

safer gameplay, less eye hurting, and so on

ddnet 10 or 13?

17:59

which one u prefer?

7

too old

18:13

10 is minimum

2021

18:24

just kidding, 9.2/9.3.1 best

18:24

and the last working on android q.q