DDraceNetwork - developer

hi, what is velspeed*ramp and ramp

velspeed the theoretical velocity of your tee

15:11

ramp is a value between 0 and 1, starting at 1 and goes down the faster you get

15:12

velspeed * ramp is the velocity of your tee that you see on screen

15:13

ramp will only lower horizontal velocity, but will still decrease the higher your vertical velocity is

15:13

@louis

oh ok thx

could it be an option on dummy maps where if any member of a team dies, deep dies second so the main dummy always gets strong?

the strong and weak is kept the same after killing

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19:40

i didnt know that

fokkonaut

[ddnet7:master] 1 new commit

a5d0470 Rename version fclient to clarify - fokkonaut

fokkonaut

[ddnet7:master] 1 new commit

71f823f Replace F-Client Msg with universal DDrace Msg - fokkonaut

I know that this commit ^ breaks backwards compability, but it doesnt matter in this case.

oo did u finally rename the client

no

22:07

xd

rip

I renamed all that stuff in the server, so that other clients (or a coming ddnet client) can use this aswell without falsely identifying as a fclient

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Is there currently a patch available I can apply to a 0.6 servers netcode to make it compatible with 0.7 clients? In case there isn't, are the protocol changes too big for a universal patch like this to be viable? Could there even be a server which is compatible with both client versions? I'm also interested how @fokkonaut approach the ddnet 0.7 port. Did you apply vanilla 0.7 patches to ddnet or did you apply ddnet patches to vanilla 0.7 or is this more a cherry-pick/rewrite?

I copy-pasted ddnet code 20+ hours into the vanilla code

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:)

23:40

20+ pure copy pasting while comparing files from 0.7 and ddnet, then fixing bugs and compile errors, and currently still fixing stuff all the time

Okay, probably the only viable approach, so much changed that any git solutions would probably fail or be a huge PITA.

23:42

So I assume you basically lost all the commit information in the process and you never had to look at the netcode?

yes, but i do know a lot now since i am constantly working on my F-Client, my F-DDrace server mod and DDNet7 itself

do you think a server which is compatible with both client versions would be viable?

Now that you say it, I would love to try that. Would be much of a hacky business, but we could give it a try

23:44

I could imagine it being possible, which would be huuuge

it is probably possible

23:44

back in the days I made a server compatible with 0.5 and 0.6

@timakro lets go for it?

Do you know how much they touched the netcode? Is there any fancy new handshake/security stuff? Is the basic "message" system still the same? (I don't know much about teeworlds networking) (edited)

23:45

I guess they finally fixed the sever status vulnerability with a handshake, but that would only be server status

Yes, it is. They added a token afaik in 0.7, but the messaging is the same (they do have different ones tho, also name changes and stuff doesnt work, skins between different versions would need to be set to vanilla mostly)

yep, i also thought of skins immediately (edited)

No big deal tho

23:47

We can remap a lot for vanilla skins

23:47

So that they dont all have default, but thats another fine tuning thing

didnt they change the format of the snapshots a bit too

Oh yes

23:49

But that shouldnt be a too big deal too

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maybe

23:49

@timakro 0.7 doesnt handle the playerinfo for example in the snaps anymore, they are net messages now

that seems like it would be the most complicated part of this 0.6<->0.7 software

23:49

unpacking adn re packing the snaps in the different format

player-skin(also in snapping functions), indicators, server commands something like that were the biggest changes

you mean the chat commands?

23:51

They are not much of a big deal, in ddnet7 i still have the old chat system too, to support clients older than 0.7.? (dont remember exactly when chat commands got added)

Most mods don't touch the netcode at all so what I would love is a patch that applies to most mods with minor manual work that "adds 0.7 support". It should always adhere to 0.6 and just do the least necessary to make 0.7 clients happy.

i ported fng, and i can remember i changed these things

I managed to port my mod too, after I ported ddnet :D

wouldnt a client that supports both 0.6 and 0.7 be more useful than a server

my mod was based on ddnet in 0.6

actually i agree with noby, that a proxy that translates messages, would be most useful

23:53

client + server is working then

servers that support both would be cooler tho, so one would not have to download an extra client

it wouldnt be an extra client

23:54

if for example ddnet client could connect on 0.6 and 0.7

23:54

people would just use that

we could simply run our ddnet servers in 0.6 for both versions, so new players can also find filled up ddnet servers

23:55

the 0.7 official ddnet servers are empty

but actually, someone could also just port the netcode and skin system to 0.7 cleanly.. if someone then wants 0.6, they can still use older client versions

Btw do you have any usage statistics? Do people actually play on the ddnet7 servers?

we played gores today

23:56

and a multimap server is always full xd

@timakro official ddnet7 servers are mostly empty, while Law's servers are played

23:56

yes, thats laws

but not alot pros yet on 0.7

Probably all depends on the 0.7 ddnet client

probably yes

I think @fokkonaut has one

0.6 fng is still more populated than 0.7 fng

most ppl play ddrace based mods

alot of people want antiping

a server that supports both would be better

@heinrich5991 its not a full ddnet client, just some features

23:57

https://fokkonaut.github.io/F-Client

23:57

feature list^

yeah @noby so release 0.7 antiping lmfao

fk u

u said u just copy pasted code

The DDNet7 server could potentially introduce new players to ddrace who wouldn't see the gametype at all with the default 0.7 clients

someone else is just gonna copy paste code and release it sooner or later

and if someone wants to try and do a better job than me then go for it

23:58

ye and i hope they do it better

23:59

nice

@ChillerDragon

23:59

xd

turn off high details

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