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Between 2020-03-16 00:00:00Z and 2020-03-17 00:00:00Z

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real cloudlink

HD nanami, fake cloudlink

ouh! that looks good @louis

00:36

how does it work tho? I thought teeworlds skin files are fixed size?

no apparently not

00:53

before nanami is 256 x 128 while after is 2621 x 1311

00:54

i think it works in proportions, not pixels

00:54

i might try to vectorize the default gameskin too. (edited)

remake all populair skins

01:02

i think they were scaled down to reduce file size

01:17

cause they look almost the same from default zoom

01:17

it's only visible when you zoom in

zooz

increasing the resolution won't make it look better, even if you try weird resolutions to change the scaling factor, which will make some parts look better and others worse

01:28

trust me, I've recreated all default skins and experimented with all that stuff saddo

saddo

u vectorized all? do u have links

01:29

wait what do u mean increasing the resolution

01:29

do you mean just scaling it up?

01:29

or like vectorizing it and exporting at a higher res

scaling it up in multipliers of 2 won't make a difference at all, odd resolutions might make feet look sharper but the body blurry etc.

oh ye, cause aren't you just copying every pixel and making it 2x bigger so the quality doesn't change

and no, I just remade them for myself for a cleaner look, but will consider sharing along with source files once I'm 100% sure they're the way I want

ok

just the way scaling works, the "pixel alignment" won't change if you double the resolution

01:33

something like 1.25x can make some parts better and others worse

01:34

tbh only the feet are a bit off, everything else looks perfectly sharp

01:34

ah, and increased resolutions have a weird bug if you use custom colors

ye

01:37

why do skins like the dumb aoe skin have bugged custom colors

skin coloring in tw is dumb, it changes the darkness of stuff and usually blends in terrible ways

01:39

idk what you mean with bugged aoe skin tho, haven't seen it in years

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01:43

lol

01:45

I guess it's just tw messing with the brightness of colors in an unfortunate way

@Cøke There is a database for all skins by you ?

No

k D:

@ChillerDragon @Learath2 is it possible to /showall by default ? Since it's not a cl_thingy

u can bind a key to say /showall 1

@Moderator servers keep crashing, any idea whats up with that?

11:47

especially on ger, its happening since yesterday as far as i know

11:47

its mostly the fullest servers

does it seem to be random or is it associated with anything anyones doing

11:47

mods cant help but @Learath2 @heinrich5991 lol

kinda seems ddosy

ddos doesnt cause crash

yesterday the server crashed when 2 teams were on binary last part

11:47

they lost their saves

@Michel server crashed on binary last part for me and ZiMe too (edited)

thats what i meant

11:48

it happened like 5 times to me since yesterday, usually when youre kinda far in race

was the server instantly back up after it happened

no

hmm

im not sure

did it happen to all servers at once or only one port

i searched for the map but didnt find it

11:52

maybe it restarted with kobra or sth

11:52

only one

then i really doubt it was a ddos because then they would all go down

true, but something is wrong

yes

it just felt targeted

and i have an idea of what it might be but im waiting for heinrich/learath

11:53

no i dont think its malicious

@noby ik but i need something automatic

for which server

@noby it only crashed 1 server at a time

12:02

other servers were fine

@noby gores

ask in kog discord then

12:03

@ano yea a ddos big enough to instantly timeout everyone would affect all ports

@noby already did

12:05

@noby but anyway it doesn't matter, I just want it for any servers

then u could modify ur client to send that command when u join a server maybe

12:05

find where it sends timeout code / version number

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and make it say timeout 1 then

Eh it should just be a cl_thingy

make a pr xd

@noby u mean on github ?

ye

@noby u mean an issue ?

12:14

A pr is something already done no?

i meant a pull request but either one would work

12:14

yeah

12:14

if u made it in ur client then u could do pr

Yeah ok xd

12:15

Do u mind doing it plz ? :v gotta create a github account it's megalong

im lazy rn sry

there are reasons why u cant automate it

12:17

else it would’ve been done

like what?

higher bandwidth

yea thats why its not serverside

how would it not be serverside

but adding that feature for the few who want it seems doable

12:18

cus itd be a client seting

everyone will activate it then

automatically say /showall on join

12:18

eh not if u have to go in f1 and manually do it

12:18

most people wont know/wont care

that takes a few seconds lol

12:18

it’s frequently requested feature

really lol

not just for a few

but the people requesting it are probably already manually typing /showall anyway?

yea if they really want it

12:19

but if it’s easy to automate its a qol feature for everyone

what is the bandwidth difference for a server where 64/64 have showall enabled vs . disabled

64x as much

and is it really a bandwidth issue or is it more to do with cpu (having to assemble bigger snapshots for everyone)

12:21

no doubt its 64x unless its a solo server

12:21

and even then im thinking of /showothers not /showall so idk

@noby https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/1641

Instead of /showall send tees within current zoom level · Issue #16...

This will require for the client to tell the server its zoom level. Right now the CPU usage when using /showall 1 can increase from 20% to 70% on a full server. Reduces network load Can no longer w...

wat

12:27

one guy with /showall makes the cpu go from 20 to 70?

12:27

am i misreading?

idk

12:28

but its a lot higher apparently

or hes talking about cpu of the client maybe

12:28

since this is tagged as client

oh true

and ik its not how the math works but would two people with showall make the cpu go to 130%? lol

12:30

>Yeah, I think so too. So I guess just reducing the client-side CPU load is good enough. @jao yea this makes it seem like he talks about client and i guess people with bad cpu wouldnt use the 'always showall' option anyway

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/1840

Add showall client command by fokkonaut · Pull Request #1840 · ddne...

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there is also this

fokko

12:31

so its probably 0.7?

no

12:31

normal ddnet

what happend to this

idk

oh wtf

12:31

its a whole separate netmsg

12:31

that seems a bit unnecessary

probably someone told him elsewhere that it wont be merged

CNetMsg_Cl_ShowAll Msg; Msg.m_Show = g_Config.m_ClShowAll; Client()->SendPackMsg(&Msg, MSGFLAG_VITAL);

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because adding new netmsgs to accomplish something that could be done with automatically sending a /command like timeout does isnt needed

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/596

/showall by default · Issue #596 · ddnet/ddnet

Why there no such option in options menu? So you have to enable it every time.

12:34

ah here

12:34

deens comment

oh

12:38

yea @Neben try that bind maybe

@noby so I need to unzoom everytime I join ?

uh

Or maybe it's from the auto default zoom and it does it with it ?

do u play with cl_default_zoom 10?

Nop 7

no it doesnt and

12:42

rip

12:42

yeah guess the bind will not work for u

12:42

@jao well deen did say that it was enabled by default when it was added

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and that seems wrong, it should only be an opt-in thing

@noby everyone will add it to their settings after a time

why would they

12:43

especially if it increases cpu

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i know i wouldnt, and adding a disclaimer in the help text like (may cause significantly higher cpu use) could deter others from using it

because its a great qol feature

12:44

dont think its noticeable for most people with cpu

12:44

a lot people use it occasionally anyways

20 to 70 would probably be noticeable for alot of ppl

dont think so

12:44

else a lot more would have complained

maybe ye

12:45

unless they figure out that the spike in cpu is cus of showall

12:45

then theyd just turn it off

or they wouldnt mind the higher cpu

12:46

because the feature is op

itd be interesting to know

12:46

at any given point on a full ddnet server

12:46

what % of the players are already using showall

ddnetger grep "/showall" *log* | wc -l
1407

lol

12:49

cool :o

might be duplicates

yee

out of how many "entered and joined" ?

some people spam it when they have it bound

@noby there's something we wanted to make wrt this

12:50

to automatically send the screen extents so the server can decide what to send

that would be cool, even more so if it accounted for aspect ratio

yes. the correct design is unclear though

if the client sent aspect ratio to the server would be useful for a variety of reasons

mostly around: how do you send this?

12:50

the client

btw @heinrich5991 ppl were reporting crashes earlier might want to look into it

yes, seen it

could be a chat command? like /timeout is

12:53

and automatically sent in the same way

what is the motivation for a chat command?

12:54

I'd rather make it a protocol message

cus doesnt require a new protocol msg lol

12:54

but if thats easy to do then i guess either way would work

a new protocol message doesn't hurt

12:55

anyway, that's not really the problem

12:55

how and when does it get sent?

same as /timeout, when they join (since they cant change it ingame anyway?)

zoom is the problem

12:58

the server should be kept updated

when the zoom level changes

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idk if it would be two new netmsgs (one at start for resolution/zoom, and one for whenver zoom changes)

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or just one that has both

Seem i can come here again

21:38

Discord have some connecting problem

@plsplsplslol big idiot

wat

@Ravie have u vectorized gameskin/particles? (edited)

nope

i think i might work on it

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poggers

3

23:57

i have the hammer done so far

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the fuzzy border will be removed

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