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Guys. Currently it is extremely non-userfriendly to use http in teeworlds. As c# and Js developer I expected that I can send request and then process result in callback. Or even to use promises or "async await".

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #2072 Update ddnet-libs (curl 7.67.0 -> 7.68.0)

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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

373b17b Update ddnet-libs (curl 7.67.0 -> 7.68.0) - def- b704ef2 Merge pull request #2072 from def-/pr-ddnet-libs - def-

C++ doesn't have many of the hand holding mechanisms present in newer languages

09:04

but what we have now is pretty great compared to what we had before

but what we have now is pretty great compared to what we had before

@Learath2 I agreed that many things became easier but it is still hard

It's not that we don't want to make it easier, it's that C++ lacks the facilities to make it easier

09:18

You create a job, you poll on the job, I think we used to have callbacks too but @heinrich5991 removed those

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How about this protocol?

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09:28

looks pretty safe. All sensitive data may be encrypted in Auth Server

I can take a look later, not really in the attacker mindset right now

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I can make Auth Server in according to this protocol. And then I hope you, guys will help to implement this interactions in Teeworlds code?

if the auth server is the single thing that allows ppl to login then it better have really good ddos protection

I'm not really a fan of this username and password approach and I suffer from chronic lack of motivation, it would be pretty unlikely for me to help implement this

09:33

and what @noby said, I don't quite enjoy centralised systems either

Does it mean that you will never make authentication across the servers?

what would be the advantage of this

Username will identify real user

09:35

currently username means nothing

if people pick good password and never share account then ye

I like the idea of authentications, I don't agree with the approach

bot players can just keep making more accounts, idk what type of behavior this is supposed to prevent

I'd prefer something more decentralised

bot players can just keep making more accounts, idk what type of behavior this is supposed to prevent

@noby some servers can give preferences to some player based on something. Also it will be possible to save any progress. For example we can make ranking of player based on their death. For now we can't because anybody can use any username and broke these stats.

09:38

I'd prefer something more decentralised

@Learath2 You mean many Auth servers?

tracking stats by player name isnt a bad approach tho?

09:39

faking isnt very common imo and theres always mods around to ban fakers

I mean no requirement for an auth server for people to verify each other

like no single ip that, if taken down, would make everyone on all ddnet srvs unable to login

tracking stats by player name isnt a bad approach tho?

@noby It is bad when we can't identify user by its username. So we need auth server.

why

09:42

if someone wants to cheat their account stats they can just share their pw

if they want

09:43

but if someone want to make my stats worse they will not be able to connect with my username

but on ddnet u cant make someones stats worse?

09:44

only better

But ddrace is not the only possible mod

09:44

many other mods can be made with auth

right but to have stats on other servers someone would have to code in the support for each mod

09:44

i have a fng stats server and it goes by name too lol

yes other servers will need their own stats

09:45

but the user will have only one account for many server

09:45

it is great

i think a lot of people see the non centralized nature of tw as a good thing

09:46

so even if u have problems with the rules/staff on one server u are still free to play elsewhere

09:46

helps to prevent abuse among other things

so some servers will use auth server but other will not. But the servers where user need account will easily use api to valid username

well ye but

09:50

i still dont get how someone can ruin another players stats on ddnet

09:50

u can only give them more points

So DDRace have only "max" stats

i think so?

09:51

it only saves ur best time on a map afaik

If we had auth then it will be possible to "buy" something fun with points

on pvp mods then accounts make sense so ppl dont ruin others' k/d and stuff

09:52

or that

I don't say about ddrace

09:53

I say about teeworlds mods

09:53

and authentication across the servers

09:53

across the mods

any mods in particular?

There was many mods where users had accounts but it was only for specific server. So why not to provide ability to use single account for many servers and mods?

[3:45 AM] onby: i think a lot of people see the non centralized nature of tw as a good thing [3:46 AM] onby: so even if u have problems with the rules/staff on one server u are still free to play elsewhere [3:46 AM] onby: helps to prevent abuse among other things

The users who don't want to play with their account can use other servers. But the users who want to have account can have single account for many servers.

optional accounts would be cool

of course optional

i dont rly agree with forcing it

any custom server can request validation of username or not

09:57

depends on server

09:58

Can someone help to implement this in teeworlds side?

10:02

We need ability to write username, password in teeworlds client, and interaction with auth server by https in Client and Server (edited)

doesnt the whole idea of a separate auth srv go out the window when untrusted hosts can just tcpdump and search for chat packets containing /login ?

doesnt the whole idea of a separate auth srv go out the window when untrusted hosts can just tcpdump and search for chat packets containing /login ?

@noby no, the main idea is to make authentication across the servers

10:05

and password is not sent to teeworlds server

10:05

only token

oh ic

10:06

so how do u login

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10:06

Connect to server then receive token from server Then login in Auth server by https

i mean like

10:07

whats the procedure

10:08

that a user would do

10:08

if they wanted to play on a serv with their account

user write his username and password and client. After user connects teeworlds server and receive request for authentication, teeworlds client sends login and password to auth server

10:09

If you want you may not to store your password

10:10

and write every time the server requires auth

so the client auths with the auth srv when u open it

10:13

and then recieves some token that it uses to auth on servers?

10:13

i guess that would solve the problem i described ye

Yep, Here is no problem

10:16

Do you interested in this? Help to implement?

well id have to rewrite my stats system if i wanted to implement this

10:17

and afaik there arent many people who would care about this on my server

10:17

its an interesting idea in general but im not sure if its personally useful to me atm yet

For example dota 2 has custom maps. Many of these maps has own rating which increases after wins and decreases after lose. Some of them have premium features which are bounded to steam account. All these things make community stronger and some good features in modding become real. So I am sad to know that you guys are not interested in this progressive improvements.

im not the one who makes this decision lol

yes you are

10:38

you are developer

no

10:38

i just own one server for one gamemode

But you can have two servers with two gamemods?

10:39

Or you don't like to play other mods?

10:40

So why not to make together cool things to develop community

10:40

one of these things is accounting

10:40

when I played in teeworlds I want to know who I play with

10:40

And I want to mute some players also

doesnt matter what i play, one person cant effectively own many servers across many modes and maintain them all well imo

So let's do it together

what is the incentive to do that tho

10:42

i host the mode that i care about most

10:42

since i play there and can maintain it

10:42

i dont say that ill never add any type of auth system i just think its not a huge priority right now

account systems is the main stop for me to create mods

10:43

because I want mods where users have progress

10:43

So I expected that someone else understand the importance of accounts (edited)

10:45

It is not so hard to make auth system but nobody wants it. But if every dev spent 1 hour on it, it would be implemented

10:47

Earlier I left teeworlds community because nobody wanted to implement major good things for whole community (to make game more funny and invite new players)

10:47

I thought that ddnet community is interested in good things. But probably it is not true

10:49

And I even say that I am ready to make whole Auth Server and give the source code to community. But I need community to help me with teeworlds C++ side.

10:50

But nobody interested in it

it’s too late for accounts in ddnet

it’s too late for accounts in ddnet

@jao it is too late for accounts in teeworlds?

accounts are against teeworlds core concept of just being able to start playing with any name

11:14

and decentralization

11:14

i doubt they will ever add accounts

some online games have possibility to play with guest account or registered account

11:15

Do you think that it is not good idea to have accounts across the servers?

those games were probably created with that option at the beginning

11:16

the problem in tw is that people have been collecting stats without accounts for years

11:16

and dont want to lose this

yes i think it’s a bad idea to add accounts now

the only way it could work is if there is a good solution to the problem i just described

As I say before accounts will be optional

noone wants to lose all of their progress

depending on servers

some servers already have accounts

11:17

and theyre optional

11:17

look at blockworlds

ye it wont change anything for servers that can make use of accounts

So you mean every server should have their own account system and it is the best way?

because they already have their own account system

but the reason it works on blockworlds is because (afaik) the server was started with that system at the beginning

and they probably wouldn’t switch it

so people who care about stats and stuff have been using acct since the beginning

So you mean if I want my own server I should make my own account system?

yes

and only for my servers?

i wouldnt trust the account system of another server

11:19

what if they randomly decide to shut it down

11:20

or to fuck with your accounts

11:21

i would only trust it if it comes with tw itself

11:21

but that will never happen

but why ddnet can give it?

it’s too late to add accounts in ddnet

ddnet can start parallel servers with authentication

11:22

and these accounts will provide preferences

11:23

it could be the store with points

11:23

or something

will be little used because no one will want to lose their ranks/points

11:23

so way too much effort

11:24

also splitting the community isnt a great idea

ok, I understand your position

Somehow I feel the opposite to what I have to read every damn time there is topic about accounts. Almost any damn game has accounts. Never wondered for what reason you have to create account and login to play or what? Yes, people would lose their points, but on the other side it would finally be THEIR points and not his & 30 other guys all around the world who for few days thought of what nick to play with, and changed it several times. And the system doesn't have to be bound to nickname, could as well be to an unique ID, like it also happens to be in many games allowing you to change name every minute. For fucks sake, how it is that the question about finally creating accounts reappear every several months, and when there is finally a dude motivated to even do it all by himself barely anyone wants it? Is complainig all that's left in this community? Get over it finally, call all what's happening right now a beta, and let's start properly even if I'd have to be for v0.7+ only...

11:55

And the so great "there are mods around to ban fakers"... it's a roulette, you can never be sure whether it's the faker or the real person unless you ask him i.e. here, where EVERYONE HAS ACCOUNT to be verified, but even then, what if person who registered here did it while faking the person you thought it was?

why do u not make it then

11:55

instead of raging about people with different opinions

I would fucking long time ago, but in opposite to @3da who's willing to do it, I don't have the skills, and don't even try to start with the "so go learn coding"

go learn coding

he doesnt seem to have the skills either

11:57

you have to accept that other people have a different opinion than you

11:57

we have to accept your opinion too

11:57

it’s pointless to rage about that

i dont think the problem is a lack of people who can code, its that noones found a solution to the fact that people have been accumulating stats without accounts for years and no one wants to lose their progress

11:58

so if an account system is added, it has to save this progress somehow in a way that doesnt allow people to steal others' accounts

also there are other games without accounts

11:58

so that argument is moot

which cool games with progress are without accounts?

11:59

are you mean that teeworlds should never have progress?

12:00

every big mmo game has accounts

mmo sucks

because people need to know who they play with

12:00

lol

tw is no mmo

12:01

wait no

12:01

anyways that works without accounts already

I agree, teeworlds is not mmo

has worked for the last 10 years

look at counter strike or dota 2

12:02

for example

12:02

but teeworlds dies slowly

12:02

but CS and dota 2 not yet

not because lack of accounts

this is one reason

in cs and dota u need accounts to invite people to games

12:03

that concept doesn’t exist in tw

Accounts -> Clans -> Account stats-> Clan stats -> Global raiting -> etc

lol i never cared about stats in cs

12:04

dunno if that’s important to many

The fact that teeworlds doesn't provide any account is a big mistake

stats as in global stats

It is the problem

how do u know

12:05

besides ur own opinion

you like that only 10 players are in teeworlds

there are things killing teeworlds way faster than lack of accounts

but teeworlds needs some improvements to make it mor popular

look at 0.7 splitting the community in half

12:05

fix that before adding more features that are split too

You guys prefer to have clear code, no accounts, decentralization, etc.

12:06

But game popularity is the most important thing

and i dont think u can claim that lack of accounts is the reason tw isnt more popular

tw isnt made to be popular

And to be contributor in game with 10 players is much worse than if game has 1 000 000 players

tw is a niche game (edited)

maybe because its an old game, its hard to learn/not newb friendly, it gets ddosed, its split in half now due to 0.7, and other reasons like this

12:07

accounts are low priority

yeah

why is it worse to contrib if it has less users

because community of teeworlds developers have no ambitions to make game popular

you should contrib for fun

will it not funnier if you had 1 000 000 players?

12:08

of course yes

no

lol

and what is ur plan for magically generating more players

more preassure if at all lol

adding accounts?

so go make games for yourself

12:08

u already get flamed for doing changes with the few users we have

12:09

imagine with 100 times as much

lol

My plan is to see on popular games and make proper changes

tw will never be popular

do u like

12:09

do u play teeworlds

I like teeworlds

12:10

But I don't like that here is no users

12:10

only devs

what do u play

who make game for themselves

12:10

wat

12:10

u want the accounts for urself too

12:11

it’s normal that people make what they like

[6:10 AM] 3da: But I don't like that here is no users i own one small server and theres this many players on it

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12:11

idk what ure talking about

12:11

more popular mods have way more players than this

I want accounts to make cool mods playable with many cool new users

mods are playable without accounts...

omg

12:11

as I said before some mods need to save progress

and some mods have found ways to save progress without using accounts

if you want accounts for other mods, why do u complain about ddnet not adding it tho

Because I wanted to join your community to make cool mods with you

noones stopping u from making mods

You are big community which can change major things in teewolrds

12:15

Can you make poll to check if players needed accounts?

but why would we work on accounts that aren’t feasible for ddnet instead of something that works

if ur talking to me, i have 0 power on what happens on ddnet lol

players want accounts, but they want them while keeping their ranks

12:16

which isn’t doable

u need to find a way for players to 'claim' their accounts

12:16

and if u havent been saving ips then idk how this could be possible

even then it wouldnt be possible

it would be hard but possible

12:17

at least for some players

what about shared names

cant be claimed

ye for some only

but u could set a limit

what to do with these ranks then

like, if one player under a certain ip/range has gotten more than say 90% of the points on one name then they can claim it

what if there are a lot points and a lot players

but since ddnet doesnt save ips nearly long enough, even this is impossible i guess

12:18

well shared names cant be claimed

12:19

this is what i do on my srv, if someonne and their ips match most of the stats on a name then they can have it

12:19

if its a shared name then noone gets it

well ok

but i save ips a bit longer than ddnet

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idk how u could do it here lol

what about dynamic ips

i have iprange lookup command

what about changing ips

then i guess cant detect xd

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idk

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for most players where this has been a concern

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its been obvious who the true owner of the name was

k

i cant claim that it would go as smoothly on such a large server network like ddnet

12:23

but for a smaller srv its fine

we dont have ips anyways

right lol

12:24

and i dont have permanent ips either

maybe you can edit your own client for server and use mac id as base of accounts

u can spoof mac addres easily

how does that solve the claiming names problem

i think mac is better than ip

worse

our create login and register on client

what if you changed computers

yeah you right

u baited me in

lol

but i want accs too ngl

yeah

12:26

accs is great

https://www.howtogeek.com/192173/how-and-why-to-change-your-mac-address-on-windows-linux-and-mac/

12:26

why

12:27

what problem will accs solve xd

aint nobody got time for that

u

accounts would be nice but it’s impossible to add them while keeping existing records

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lol why

just save old records

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i wouldnt say impossible just hard

and save new records to real accounts

because ddnet doesnt save ips

12:28

how do u know who the true owner is

how would it be possible

are u sure @noby

yes

mark old records as "unverified"

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and that's all

well maybe every admin is lying, im not sure 100%

because old records is really unverified

yea that’s basically losing ur ranks

oh we talking about ddnet accs?

but even if thats the case

lmao

then they wont use those ips

12:28

lol

12:29

ye that is what they were talking about

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and i cant think of a way to verify who owns which account on servers with years of history and 2 days of ips

i thought we are talking about teeworlds wide accs

they were at first i guess? but starting on ddnet

the easiest way is that ddnet reset all records and start a fresh run with account system

we are talking about account system across the servers based on ddnet community

but how many people do u think really want a full reset ..

teeworlds wide accs wouldnt hurt records

reseting records is the only way

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but then you will lose majority of users

like you can still change ign

and not improve anything

The full reset is not requires

12:30

just save old records as UNVERIFIED

under what name

omg

12:31

just make column in db

12:31

and make value false

that's the problem some peoples are not agree with reset their points and records

obviously

not just some

yeah you right all of them

hey i wanna suggest this change the only problem is that literally everyone wont like it

12:32

duhh

12:32

genius

points and records are not belong to real people

12:32

it only belongs to username

but the thing is

99% players can be identified through a username

most usernames probably belong to only one person, at least 90%+ of their points

12:33

ye

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faking is a thing but its nowhere near common enough to warrant reseting everything

This is sad that you didn't make accounts in the beginning of ddnet

zzzz

well if you want to make new mods, you can start them with accounts

But instead of solving somehow you offer to do nothing

you offer no solution

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i dont think there is any tho

they offer the solution of complaining at jao

12:36

doesnt fix anything but maybe feels satisfying idk

i dont get his problem anyways if he wants the accounts for new mods

12:37

why does ddnet need accounts then

I wanted to develop whole teeworlds through ddnet community

12:37

but probably it is not possible

No it's possible for your private mods and servers

thats so vague

why?

what are u actually trying to accomplish

decentralization isnt bad

12:38

ddnet shouldnt control everything imo

i doubt accounts are ur end goal

12:39

only a possible solution to whatever problem u see on tw currrently

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and yes

12:39

decentralization is one of the things that makes tw good

12:39

is vexar an alt account of 3da

if ddnet would own the account system, you would be less flexible and it would require us to maintain it

12:40

of course not

while we wouldnt even be able to use it for ourselves lol

why of course

why 'is vexar an alt account of 3da' ?

bcause ive never seen either one of u before on dc or ingame until u both started asking in this channel for accounts lol

lol

my in game name is ✟Տ℣ʒN✟

that's because accounts is interesting topic

and i never play in ddnet official server

12:42

because of ping problem

12:42

I just reading developer chats for fun

why do u want ddnet accounts then xd

i don't want

12:43

i already do that for my servers

who even are u

12:43

who is 3da

i don't know 3da

i dont want to register to play a game

12:44

and i find it rly stupid u put a first and last name field

12:44

what are u, a facebook boomer?

well that's a choise

first and last name XD

LOL

because i connect that client to wordpress database

omg

12:45

u lost my respect

12:45

wordpress nobo

so in wordpress i need first name and last name

well not that u had any

5min: making gui for accts ∞years: finding a way to link tw name to real player without even ips

sorry not wordpress whmcs

identify players by full name

12:46

200iq

lmao

ddnet is under the mit license, you can fork and make ur ddnet

12:46

ur probably not even willing to code anything

12:46

i hate ppl like you

make people send their drivers licence to jao for verification before playing ddnet

thank you

and u complain that others dont do anything

what if u are a kid

thats not an excuse

12:47

i was coding dumb shit wehn i was a kid

i think its ilegal to have info about kids younger than 13

ohhh

i mean u have no driver’s license

then no ddnet for u

@jao me ?

i started when i was 14

no

anyone who says he cannot code is cuz he lazy

or low iq

feelsbadman

12:48

schools should tech programming by default

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u dont have to be smart to code

like maths

source: i can code

i just coding for myself about fun thing

12:48

like

12:49

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think_bot

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think_bot

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12:49

tiny pets in ddnet

bot client

bot

12:49

poggers

yeah that's funny to me too

reported

lmao

why you want to report me ?

@noby where's NobyTheHaxx client

that's not a bot client

pet client

yeah pet client

noath

twinbop

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NTH

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too late to make account system cuz whoever released this mod first was a dumbass

3

Lmao

yeah ddnet sucks haha lol no ban pls

Can we please add pets to the ddnet client

13:10

stop joking to me

13:11

I stop coding in ddnet ok ?just leave me

u

13:11

[6:52 AM] Vexar: why you want to report me ? cus bots f3

where is the bot ?

^-- there

where ?

its you

i'm not bot

is it a question about i'm not bot check it to continue ?

yes this is a captcha

then am i passed ?

no

13:14

u failed

oh God kill me please

13:14

i hate captcha

more proof of being a bot

noby is the biggest troll

u

13:15

bumm is the biggest bum

what proof

[7:14 AM] Vexar: i hate captcha

13:15

proof

oh sh*t

actually, some bots are able to complete the captcha ^^ (edited)

lol

really ?

not his apparently

you got me

13:16

lol

i.e. the OCR (Optical Character Recognition) enabled bots

isnt the whole point of captcha to be unreadable for ocr but readable by humans

13:19

thats why its always warped and squiggly and has wierd noise added

that's most likely since Google released reCaptcha 3, but still many sites use older versions, and I'm sure the ones with noise etc will also be broken someday

vexar and 3da irl

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13:23

oh God are you serously ?

@Soreu recaptcha has more than just the images you click

Scam

Is https://ddnet.tw/maps/ using just https://github.com/ddnet/tw-webgl or edited version of it?

teeworlds webgl. Contribute to ddnet/tw-webgl development by creating an account on GitHub.

@jao I think it's bad that you discourage people from trying new things

13:49

you have a pretty dismissive, seemingly know-it-all attitude here

13:49

I think attitudes like that hold ddnet back

13:49

note that I'm not arguing about accounts

13:49

I'm arguing about the attitude

feel free to prove me wrong if i said something false

that's not what I was talking about

13:51

I wasn't talking about the content. I talked about the attitude

13:51

you basically said to 3da "go away, we don't like you here"

13:51

with every developer you send away like this, ddnet dies a little

i didnt say that

13:53

i said that i don’t think accounts can be added to ddnet and why

you didn't say that in a factual tone

13:53

or tried constructively thinking about it

jao you had to smile!

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symbolic conversation (jao to soreu):

[12:55 PM] jao: why do u not make it then [12:55 PM] jao: instead of raging about people with different opinions

13:54

after literally discouraging 3da to do the same

13:54

that's just bollocks

and where is the context?

soreu wanting accounts

i said that after he raged about my opinion

"raging" is the non-neutral tone here

it’s what he did

fuck you

monkaS

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13:56

I think this is part of ddnet's problem

13:56

(represented by you in this case)

omg heinrich said the f word!

woah

the politically correct all-the-time guy said it

he had an aggressive opinion too

feelssurprisedman

you want me to constructively think about it but they are the ones who ignore all negative things about it (edited)

13:58

all those guys that say do account probably will never even do it even if someone encouraged them

That's why I mentioned eventually doing it only on 0.7+ though, but whatever. I indeed raged which was unnecessary

its pointless to do it so late

13:59

@Soreu ranks are not lost on 0.7

13:59

so its the same base

but 0.7 is already splitting players anyway, as it's not compatible with 0.6 etc

i dont see how that is relevant

Sure the ranks / database is shared right now, but players know that this is new major version, and those happen to break some stuff, so it could as well not be shared. Those who want to stay on 0.6 will do it anyway, same as those who want to go forward with 0.7

also i dont think jao would send away a developer who wanted to do a feature that was actually feasible, accounts has been discussed a lot of times and we always end up with it not being possible

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ur generalizing imo

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and if u have the will to do it u wouldnt care less about a guy saying this

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like when i made telegun, it had lot of haters

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prob still has

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u heinrich were skeptical too

y, but that's also mainly to the fact that this community loves to complain - we can't actually deny that

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u already get flamed for doing changes with the few users we have imagine with 100 times as much

as jao said...

Also, we could say "it's too late to do that" with a lot of things, but yet DDNet brought a lot of new features over the years. Some changes may indeed break stuff, as it happened to many new introduced things - from fixing rocket that was actually exploding twice, to the lately changed hammer-in-the-freeze thing, to yet-to-come fixing exploding bullet tiles affecting only one player at a time - yet those changes were made for a reason, even though they broke some maps and/or made other ones either unfinishable or easily skipable - but still, that was for the better future, and I think same should be with accounts. In my opinion there's never too late for some things, and accounts are one of these, but it's true that finding a right solution to handling already recorded rankings won't be a piece of cake...

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Especially since having to "register & login to play" can be optional - yet, we're figting about why to even create accounts system instead of figuring out good way to handle eventual problems that might come with it...

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And DDNet doesn't even have to use those, but since it's one of bigger modifications in TW, we as community, or you guys as developers kind of take responsibility of what path that game or just the DDRace will go forward

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and if I'm alone in that opinion, then that's fine, since I can do nothing about it without any real coding knowledge...

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*that's end of my thoughts*

I just wanted to make authentication system which will be acceptable by most users and devs. Instead of this you say make your fork with your own community.

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and if I'm alone in that opinion, then that's fine, since I can do nothing about it without any real coding knowledge...

@Soreu People who love to play teeworlds are doing not less than devs. Users and devs are two important parts which must exist together

What happened here even?

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@Soreu yes, should be it

@deen I guess that's answer to the tw-webgl?

yes

k, thx

I didn't read the whole convo, but I'd be ok with accounts as long as they're implemented carefully.

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