DDraceNetwork - general

@louis when aipgores

latrr

@louis u Never have time for me I thought we r friends and tournament partners

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what

01:50

we are

01:50

just not now

01:50

also mooyoothings just emoted lmao

Can someone tell me what we dupposed to do here

go in here and take speed off of him?

bruh, we are new, I dont understand xD

14:09

and what does undeep mean

maybe you should play a more beginner friendly map then xd

We like half way through this map though xD

ok

14:15

so, go where the red marking is

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then your mate hooks you and goes right to take speed

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and then jumps through the freeze

Nah he can jump through the freeze without me

14:17

This is probs a better picture

if he has endless, he can hook you from here and move on

Jao support time

F3

:f3-1:

14:19

Bruh Error 404 Emot not working

The endless hook is only at that specific place though

drop the -1

To get too the red corner

@Derado can you a screen in entities?

@jao on mobile all emotions are screwed feelsbadman

not on ios

Ios gay

at least emotes work

‍♂️

What does that mean

14:21

.

type cl_overlay_entities 100 in f1

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(cl_overlay_entities 0 to turn it off again)

@Derado escape settings ddnet overlay entities or do what jao says

14:22

@jao this is probably the solo endless unsolo "bug"

i think there is hook tele

14:23

exactly

14:23

your friend has to hook these tiles, then he can go left to get endless

14:24

then go back and do the part as i said

Ah alright, ty

You can press this button to activate/deactivate entities (edited)

Is that a default bind we have now?

I just know that this bind is default

14:26

I play ddrace main since like 8 months and it worked since then

Its there since long

It should be e by default

ew what

@ScReeNy && @Jesus Christ I don't really mind that you are messing around with the new hammer, but I do mind that you are funvoting people. I suggest you stop that

its necessary

15:00

people are blocking

15:00

just by running around

Join a team then

He funvoted me again. Ban him 24h

pls no i just got permbanned on infclass again

You don’t mind about they messing around with new hammer but let’s delete their finishes from records so ppl don’t see how dumb was idea adding this hammer feelsamazingman

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@Learath2 with team they can't cheat monkaS

(edited)

15:38

@Kicker but this was already possible, they only didnt know it yet

Ok

i delete all deleted ranks from #records

15:38

totally unrelated

Delete all ranks

15:38

2020 new season

iT WaS AlReADy POsSIBlE

15:39

worst argument ever

15:39

literally

Are you retarded or are you just pretending to be retarded to some end?

What's that "new hammer"?

well there is no such thing as new hammer cuz it was possible before

Exactly, see it's not that hard of a concept to grasp

i think hes trolling

learath stop trolling

seems like jesus is meta dumb because he understands the point and just refuses to act on it

I'm not trolling at all, seriously I know y'all are just messing around with the hammer thing because you are trying to prove some point. It won't happen, we are not rolling it back

u smartass corneum

15:47

u figured me out

15:47

clap clap

@Im 'corneum It's the new fad, the new wave of arguing

wait i have a meme for that

bring it

Add aimbot to ddnet client pls It’s also possible already

XD

It’s unfair I just don’t have enough money to buy it

15:48

cc scammed me

ur kinda like this

I think we should give everyone a 1 second rank on all maps

15:48

because it is probably possible abusing some bug that only konsti knows

15:48

and it's unfair that you don't know the bug

Nono

15:49

It’s not gameplay changing

did you ever think about publishing the rank1 demos?

15:49

teerace does it

Teerace > Ddnet

That was my idea with teehistorian, but we never got it to play back on the servers

They don’t want to publish top1 secret ways

oh. cant you ask them

I also wanted to include a way to get the top1 demo as a ghost

15:50

So you can know where you are related to the top1 in real time

Learath is Good guy

ye that would be pretty cool. kinda like in trackmania where you just drive back for GPS

hmmm, like a replay function that you can watch other people's ranks as demos? ye would be awesome

R1 demo's would indeed be fucking awesome

said every non speedrunner

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Atm jao is selling demos of top1 ranks So why don’t make them Public?

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i speedrun. sometimes

16:52

and every other game has it. you normaly need video proof to get a world record run accepted

16:53

and tbh its fair

@Learath2 r1 ghost is a good idea, I thought of it last time and I'd love it to be implemented

16:55

If some generous soul could code it pepeH

@Learath2 if you eventualy can add it, then it would be nice if you can see the ghost with the closest time to average time too so you dont need to do r1 strats for finishing

Most important part is feeding the teehistorian file back into the server. If someone does that part the rest is fairly trivial

@Im 'corneum Or just a system that allows you from the client to replace actual ghost from rank x ghost ?

16:57

by downloading it somewhere on their server

16:57

after it got uploaded from teehistorian

I was thinking of pulling the r1 ghost from the server, but I guess we could add a command to pull in any other ghost you want

yeah so everyone is happy xd

It is a bit costly to generate ghosts though as you'd need to run the entire servers history to generate it

16:58

Teehistorian files are condensed versions of everything that happens on a server on each tick

16:59

I mean we can run it quite a lot quicker then 50 ticks per second we currently have, but it's still not the cheapest thing ever

well, making the process slow so it doesnt affect (or almost not) the server speed ?

17:00

idk whats the real problem

Idk either, we'll have to first implement it to see how it works

okok

huh and i thought teehistorian was specificly to catch botters

Seems like something which can be abused to get lags

speedrun in tw is also about brain, i dont like idea that any 0iq guy can watch demo and steal all ways

17:02

thats unfair

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No it isn't

it will eventually be known one day

well thats unique to tw i guess

Look at how speedruns work in csgo surfing

(oe every other game)

why should i look at cs go if i play tw

This is also finding the best path and some shortcuts etc

and allowing people to know good tricks without searching them will push people to find new ones

17:03

i think that's a good thing

There is no speedrun community on earth that operates with "secret tricks"

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Well you say it is unfair but why all big games do have this then?

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You can keep it secret until you make your rank, as soon as you make the rank it's public

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Exactly this

because how else u wanna prove ur record if other games dont have rank system

I sell secret ways on almost every map for 0,25€ each

tw have it

@Kicker lol take a look at csgo surfing xD

on other games you mostly have to stream it

Or any other game that is speedrun

Pokémon

(Is the past tense of speedrun, speedran?)

It is all about ranks

speedwent

All servers there anounce if someone made a new world record

Hey if you are too shit to keep your rank after your tricks are public, I guess you just don't deserve the rank

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ouch

why only people who doesnt speedrun wanna make it a thing (except corneum cuz hes a snowflake)

the worst logic lol

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I kind of agree with Kicker for this xd

17:06

brain tricks are usually time saving

If a r1 is not public its shit

it's not about being good

17:07

just brain

If u cant keep the r1 then its not a r1

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see the bright side. it could give you more street cred if youre known for a trick

I'm sorry I don't feel like catering to @Kicker just so he can feel better about himself and jerk off at night

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It has always been a part of this game why change it wtf? Also YOU did new hammer bug 60x easier with your update than the way you had before. There are even ways to fix it but you don't seem to care

YOU AND ONLY YOU

17:08

It's always the 4 people here that always complain about everything

@ScReeNy bcoz doesnt work for everyone, only types of mouse

17:08

that makes it kind of unfair

@Neben @heinrich5991 could even do it with a regular mouse

Also you couldn't do it with dummies that easy

Screeny is Troll

@Learath2 couldnt do it with two different ones

We would've need 15 people for the skip

a good and really bad one

@ScReeNy you complain but "we" try to make the game better and you only complain but don't contribute.

15 people that didnt know the bug

Wtffd

Guys i need to feel special and this game offerd me the podibility, so we gotta keep the status quo, pls pls pls \s

I'm constantly reporting bugs nooob

If u need tees for skip ask noby 10/10 would book again

What do u mean

If you notice it's the same 4 crybabies that keep trying to "teach us a lesson" with the hammer thing

17:10

Okay make that 5, forgot about Konsti

Well why always people seem to flame when te dev team choose a certain route if you wanna be involved get developing or shut up and come with solutions instead of complains based on nothing

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@Learath2 I'm surprised you were able to forget about him

agree with the making top 1 ranks public

I offered solutions

@plsplsplslol ranks*

huh

I would love to be part of decision making

Ye go learn c++ and allocate some memory in that brain of yours cuz yill need it

Yeah, me too, given Konsti keeps following me around on servers and shouting racist shit. Talk about a sourpus

and it's not a problem with the hammer it's a problem with the maps

@ScReeNy The solution you offered was to fix the mousewheel trick. We explained it's unfixable. You said fix it

better change rifle to laser as @ChillerDragon wanted

It's horrible when a Dev decides about game way when he isn't even playing that

Thanks for all the help

nO

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iT Wasn't

17:12

I had more

The same discussion was when teehistorian was introduced and ppl were crying that other people could see the skips or cheats that led to R1, and it always will end in the same argument - people scared of losing R1 due to other pros

I play the game, but since I guess I don't r1 Insanes all day my opinion doesn't count

@snail also doesn’t want Public top1 ghosts/demos So we have no Chance Jao votes no bcs he is making money with demos Snail Votes no bcs same reason like kicker

@ScReeNy and the dev team is playing pretty regular besides on big changes you should also blame the admins

It does count but an important part of the community isn't represented

If u want to make a change learn to code, work on it spend time on it, then debug the segfaults and then come to #dev asking for help on the error poggers

funny how the ones that complain are the only abusers

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I'm corneum

The important part of the community being you 5 that abuse maps to hold r1s?

Just because u stupid to see who else is abusing

Who else

17:14

Tell it

ok sory

Cmon

We always accept your input, but most of it always boils down to "change bad"

@ScReeNy whats the problem with the new hammer clearly ?

cheating is part of ddnet, dont destroy it wtf

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after you thought about it for weeks

no public demos, i need to make money greenthing

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You can destroy countless maps

so problems are maps like abc said ?

destructable tiles? awesome

Should I maybe launch a server without the patch and just do the skips he does with the mousewheel?

17:16

It's a problem with the map, you fix the map

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If you think something like this shouldn't be possible, then give us a better fix for it

Delete hammer

It's basically what u do for you already

you can't fix all maps if you don't even know which are broken

fix fixes

I could've fakes real times etc

fix

@Ravie they aren't broken, they are cheatable, there are many maps that are cheatable even without this that we don't know of

But I'm that honest to 0s so u can fix it

i have the feeling the majority thinks people who do not know how to code have no influence on the decisions. I do not understand that. Its the players who play the game who know the impact of changes no matter if they can code it them selfs.

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But as soon as they do cheat, we go ahead and fix the map

Only if you know learath

@Learath2 just make it public and skip all the people complaining. You should know that there is ALWAYS at least few people complaining no matter what you, devs, do. Even if they contradict themselves after a while

Fix map by map is the best solution actually

@Learath2 several maps seem to have start line skips that weren't necessarily possible before (mainly due to it needing a lot of tees and being random)

if people want to have fun finding those cheats and use them, they will eventually be fixed anyway

Then tell the map names

Rapture

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Several this seversl that "others" this "others" that

whats the startline skip on rapture

None

17:19

I won't tell you my cheat ranks or by others

See

@Soreu It really takes the fun out of working on anything. New account system? People now can't easily gift eachother ranks BAD Teehistorian? Konsti can't hide his shenanigans BAD Share r1 demos? A couple people can't keep their monopoly on r1s BAD

why not?

So we dont need a reason to listen to you

Whatever you start working on people just complain

I already did

you can basically escape any open map with some or a lot of preparation

Go complain against a WALL

It makes working on anything boring

This pisses me

Couldve fakes heartcore 2 too

@jao u can use speedtiles and sg

17:20

Can’t remember 100%

@ScReeNy well thats the real problem then

unless there's a 100% consistent way to do it without new hammer it wouldn't work

@Learath2 I know it. Even too good. Those few years of break didn't change a thing except for the community to feel far more toxic with every time I'm coming back to DDNet

but since ranks will soonTM be public

17:20

i guess it wont be

Hearrcore3 100%

17:20

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@Ravie I'm preeeetty sure you can do it with the mousewheel, as that also fully saturates every tick with a hammer input

gl with 15 random people to spam scroll

also I don't think 10 people at once would enjoy rolling their mousewheel a lot

@jao Lul it’s fixed

@Ravie I'm sure they would if it'd give them a r1

also if someone lags it won't work

Konsti would even pay people to do it with him

@Learath2 well at the end of the convo nothing will change anyway greenthing

they are willing to complain but not to help

Impossible to get that many

it means u need give r1 for 15 ppl

We struggle to get 4

And it's quite funny though. "People"don't want R1 be public, yet they want to be famous for those, and after some time they release vids that a lot of ppl watch

general rule of thumb is: if its possible, someone will do it

the thing with people is that everyone would want the rank to himself, unless you had a whole clan who finished with a shared nick

i did not fix skips in maps because i thought they were too much effort anyways, but in the end someone still did it

@Ravie right now people can also only get 1 rank, if you want it for everyone you need to cheat a couple times

also - KoG has kind of an account system. Did people complain? for sure. But was it for better future? yes, and so it was introduced. But yet again, KoG playerbase ain't that full of assholes, so not much name-stealing (or account in this case) happens

It's just a TAD more consistent, and barring packet loss it actually was 100% consistent with the mousewheel

but if skipping a startline involves a lot of tees just to get 1 or 2 across

17:23

you can only do it once

"But yet again, KoG playerbase ain't that full of assholes"

17:23

laughed

true u are in it

Kog is basicslly konsti memes

xd

kog sux

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I mean, I dont' play much gores but people I've met on KoG have been nothing but nice to me, so I won't really disagree on that

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also I don't really care either way if new hammer stays, but I don't expect mappers to put that much extra thought to not make skips possible with this

why not Ravie ?

17:25

since mappers will also think of new tricks with it

17:25

to make new types of parts

17:25

they can also think of ways to prevent cheats ?

@Jesus Christ Compared to DDNet, it's sadly true. And also is the reason you won't see me much on DDNet servers. I'm with this game for too long not to see the changes in the community, even if I had several breaks

it's already a lot of work to think of as many cheats as possible, this just adds a new dimension

new hammer isnt that bad, it opened a new whole path of cheating, but public r1 is just a shot in the knee

it is not

it is

well whatever, if as a mapper you dont want to look for it

17:26

people will eventually find it

17:26

during testing or playing

every speedrunning game has public ranks

@Jesus Christ well so if someone can perform your trick better then you, they don't deserve the r1?

public ranks are the best

Ye

nobody can disagree about that

Like trackmania stadium 2

if the one figured it out himself

except the r1 guys xd

then he deserves

Pure competition

who cares that top 1% players want to keep their little secret ways and jerk off to them, I think it's great to show the general playerbase as many cool tricks as possible

ye lets spend hours on thinking about good skips and cuts just to some brainless dude to steal it

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And

Funny way of thinking. If there are cheats that mapper or server owner (aka specified in some rules) doesn't want, it should be fucking obligation to prevent those, not a damn "I don't care, it's too much thinking"

If u dont have the mechanical skill to be top1

yep transparency in knowledge is the best way to keep the improvement of the whole community

Then ur not

If it's cheated, then it'll be removed anyway

especially if testers are there to help with that

pointless discussion since no one will work on it anyways (edited)

Ye

@el EX ive changed my mind on it

@archimede67 prove them wrong plz

17:30

u represent frogs

its a lot about brain but having demos available for everyone is an insane push for competitivity

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17:31

and will greatly increase mechanical skills

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17:31

maybe just delay it like 1 week after rank 1 demo is published

arent many of the best moves on yt anyways?

@jao will u make christmas event

so if u find a cool trick u still have a week to brag with ur rank

No

Some map contest or shit

yeah it is definitely a lot of work that probably won't get done for a loong time, like @jao said

17:32

I'd love to have a christmas event if we can get some maps for it

@Ryozuki nothing planned

@ChillerDragon it's not about general moves, more parts moves

Lets make it then

maybe someone wants to make a christmas/winter themed map

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and that would obviously allow normal players to detect cheated ranks/botters more easily

extracting runs from demos and replaying them on servers is a thing btw so sharing demos is a potential bot risk

Are there christmas skins

if someone saw a demo of some new trick he might get the idea to apply it in a different way or map and get another rank

@jao you ruined my surprise

Maybe we csn force them like halloween

17:33

We did it once

not necessarily "try to steal muh rank"

there are christmas skins in 0.7

@ChillerDragon eh

@jao if u dont ask officially with a ping or smth that they can make a map nobody will do it

@ChillerDragon don't give them ideas

botters are such a pain for the rank system

xd @Learath2

in every way

wait @Learath2 0.7 or bots?

as an intelectual, even bots are better than 0.7

:/

Yes you cellegen an intelectual

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xd

cellebrain

cellegenius

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@Ryozuki #announcements

Thanks

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@Neben excuse me what ? xd

@archimede67 Make ranks public (I guess we're talking about ghost)

17:39

from a client functionality that allows u to download rank number x's ghost and replace it from the one you actually have

17:39

or even make a list of all the ghost ranks you have from a map xd

17:40

but Learath said u had to export teehistorian's output somehow

17:40

but i guess you could actually upload the run for every new ranks ?

U wanna have top ranks ghosts ?

more like ranks ghosts

17:45

but y

Public Ranks feelsamazingman

18:02

Even n9moik agrees

18:02

That means best idea ever

100% agrees

18:03

(edited)

@Stepfunnmobile user ^^

No u

True

Wtf koule maps are so skippy

18:17

There are skips in every corner

Best maps (edited)

do you mean skipping is part of the game?

?

Before ban, someone from admins told me to imagine that botting isn't fair, it's the same thing as the offense in real life, and the government should solve this issue by law. And what if we compare this situation with real life, what if public ranks is ur personal space, don't you have a right on it? would it be nice for people if their personal lives were exposed by the government for others? This is a violation of human rights, but what about personal space? i can't imagine if someone would like it irl, but yes how could i forget it it's just a game. (edited)

why relate real things into game refenrences

18:29

makes no fucking sense

one of the admins told me to compare it like this, why shouldn't i do it now?

that's actually the only reason i'd accept

18:32

for not making ranks public

lol

18:33

then we ignore that admin

18:33

solved

servers aren’t private

also public ranks are more like olympics score

that comparison doesnt work

than personal info

18:33

ur comparision is a bit flawed

that too

wasn't that u jaoxd

we'd actually loose something from making rank publics

we wouldnt lose shit

but we'd win way more

dunno

so i guess it's worth

but who came up with the idea about public ranks lol

wtf

for what it lol

People who never in their life did r1s

Why do u want to have public ranks wtf

@ScReeNy I did, and still came up with it