DDraceNetwork - showroom

m!ki 2019-11-06 08:04:43Z

make ddnet closed source if that's what it takes...

13:29

95% of players don't give a shit

wat?

13:31

@Boci what would be the advantage of making it closed src?

i have no idea how true that is

13:32

i was responding to that

13:33

also

13:33

i'm just asking, would there be a way of pushing the game to steam?

13:33

like ddnet itself

reverse engeenering is a thing too

13:41

also closed src clients can be spoofed

You can't take away the source

also it being open all the time requires some sort of obfuscation or comeplete restructure to the code to make it harder to reverse

Teeworlds has unencrypted traffic and past source available, it's a breeze to reverse engineer

13:43

We could maybe have an account system where we require proof of work to create an account to make sure it actually takes time to create an account

13:43

@Boci we are greenlit on steam, we can release it anytime, but we didn't want to release without a tutorial, and no one made a tutorial, so it's just kinda sitting there

what tutorial ?

13:48

what does proof of work mean ?

13:48

like videos of me finishing or what?

Tutorial to start playing ddnet, so new people can start playing

13:52

It's reaally hard to learn how to play this game, we are just so used to it by now, but I tried showing a couple friends 2 days ago and they were all but lost

13:53

Proof of work is a way for the computer to prove that it has spent some time doing work. If you have proof that they spent time, they can't just spam accounts as it'd take time to create them. If that makes any sense

timakro worked on it alot

13:55

he just needs a map

13:55

a few translations

13:55

and it's ready

the map is the hard part

it is really hard to learn, for example when i showed my group of friends teeworlds, they thought it's a shooter game, so picture this: 7 people join Epix (novice) start shooting eachother with pistols, and screaming why are you not dying

ddnet has way too many features, even on easy maps

i forgot to say that ddnet is not a shooting gamemode

13:56

i was absolutely fucking dying

13:56

of laughter

and you should be able to do the tutorial alone without a dummy

13:56

or a mate

To be honest, novice maps have more clutter then brutals

Well it's been 3 years or smth that timakro launched his project

novice maps are hard for new people

We need ultra-novice maps

that's why #deleted-channel should be released

Like the throws we take for granted, are actually pretty hard to get right

everyone needs to start with Aip gores

13:57

or ddrace xyz123

13:57

or whatever the name :DD

13:57

u know back in the days

13:57

that was the only 2 maps xddd

proper tutorial probably would need server side dummies

uh

Serverside dummies and something better then info messages

timakro made broadcast tiles

y (edited)

aip gores is too hard for beginners imo

it is a bit of a learning curve

14:29

if u try enough times then yea

I spent 2 weeks before I finished aip gores first time

14:50

I was carried all the way through to the finish

even #deleted-channel is wayy too hard

14:58

'Season' does a sorta good job at first, but then suddenly requires you to throw

14:59

we definitely need a good introductory map, that actually starts at the basics

14:59

(screw 'Basics' for its name btw)

learntoplay does not represent the real expectations

15:00

but its still something to work with

I tried to teach on kobra

15:00

But there is a gores part thats just impossible for a beginner and too tight for me to drag them thru

thats how aip-gores comes in too

and basically on all of those maps you need to couple at least one good player in the team

well better teaching would be to get social, meet players who care about being better and have relationships with players

so many people leave on that gores part

they need to learn how to swing

15:03

not that hard

15:03

but maybe because of ddos nowadays

for swinging you need quite a bit of feel for the hook

Swinging isnt that easy, most of the popular games nowasays have mininal air control

15:05

All my friends didnt even feel like holding the directional keys at all

if you have plenty of space, then all you need to be care of is to not fall down (edited)

15:06

so hook when you are starting to fall and stop hooking when you are going to be close to the platform you are hooking

you shouldnt start with ddrace because you have no idea about the phisics ingame

most new players stop using a and d in the air even if you tell them to use them

even if we make super easy maps its useless

ye, you might start with ctf and block

15:07

after that the fun mods, fng and infc

I disagree, we need a nice map to demonstrate everything, including the physics

^ + 1

oh gimme one week lea

15:07

i'll make best map

15:07

its not like you can learn ddrace in 1 map

ama

15:08

you are joking right?

@Pastoer exactly, this, they think moving in the air doesnt matter at all

you could make a racemap into it and tell the player to try get through it in 10 seconds or whatever. and then he can proceed t the next part. should all be optional of course but new players need to repeat movement 100 times to get a feel

they also don't understand they go down when they swing u d use a and d

yes because people want to play a boring part 100 times

i have better ideas. make a full animation about every single technice ingame and after the animation resolved, you can try it yourself

15:09

kinda like on C.U.B.E

thats the same as speedrunning but not fast ama

i think you would need to go step by step (not a gud introductory map either btw), each map concentrating on one aspect: basic movement (dj!), each weapon, drag parts and so on

ye, but dont make it too stupid to understand

15:10

simple enough, and understandable is key for it

yes

you just have to play the game

also i said its optional. but you can make the imaginary goal for them to get through in a certain time

but people get frustated the first 5 minutes

well then they are screwed and should play csgo instead

and an easy map wont solve this at all

@Im 'corneum with laser tiles and some really good timings, ye you can achieve that (edited)

it would also be great if you would have one server dedicated to newbies, which everyone is directed to when they first start the client, and it would be running novice maps only, with experienced players helping (those who enjoy doing that)

you shouldnt help new players

i think many just get lost in the client, and players are able to give them help wayy beyond the physics of the game

also i dont think its such a problem to get good. i see many new players get good within 2 months and then they wont stop getting better anyway. the ones that really want to be good, will be

you shouldn't help getting all these stuff to learn, but rather... make it fun.

the ones that enjoy the game stay

ye make it fun, thats gonna be a main reason

its not hard to get gud, its hard to get started. you need to understand how physics work in general, if you got that, you can get going

i dont think thats a problem

15:14

everybody starts somewhere

@Ama but we can try to make the start of the game less tedious, so that more players stay

kinda funny if you think about it.. there are like 10 super pros. then 800 meduim good normal players and 10 ultra noobs

naah

i literaly never see real noobsa

i think categorizing like that is hard