DDraceNetwork - off-topic

so... when will testing and map releases officially be announced dead? the maps are piling up, jao didnt test in half a year and the rest of the testers are inactive as well. you could at least have been so nice to tell the mappers to stop wasting their time mapping. but instead you halfass a test once and abandon the map forever.

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Jao just reached his burnout. It's clearly obvious that he hates map testing and tired of it. He also ignores any my messages related to tw for 3 months at least

Meanwhile, 26 maps in 'active' testing and maybe 3-4 maps in private test. That's a nightmare

Well i kinda agree on this

07:43

I think the most important thing is that people who are mapping test others map and the other way around. That way mappers make the testing period shorter because the quality of the map is better before the testers need to take a look at it. This way it is a more sustainable situation. (edited)

I would agree with "declined until not perfect" testing scenario. Jao could decline all maps containing at least one critical bug and force mappers to fix their maps This would cut maps in active testing to 1/3 of its current count. Since many mappers are inactive for the moment, why should their maps take place in queue?

half a year?

09:31

more like 1 month

09:31

can i not have a break wtf

This is not about you. It's about ddnet testing being reliant on one person. It's the matter of time when such a system will stop working

it doesn’t rely on one person tho

09:53

and yet you mention me in every other message

sorry im just mad

10:02

you ignore me im pm

10:02

x(

that’s what u get for spamming me

and yet you mention me in every other message you was doing all the testing. That's why I still think testing is reliant on one person (edited)

that doesn’t mean the system itself relies on one person

well, you decided to take a break and we have this. mappers are unhappy and there are a lot of maps nobody cares about How is that not reliant only on one person? You tired and all becomes only worse. I dont see other testers doing smth. Only Ravie testing 2-3 maps per year (edited)

10:38

lets wait 6 months more and there will be 50 maps queued

10:38

and I dont say this is your fault ok

10:38

just the system is retarded

10:39

smth needs to be changed

when you want something changed

10:39

you must be the first to take action

10:39

go on and fucking test all the maps

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yea

nobody gets paid here

go test all maps bro

That is why i said mappers should test other peoples maps

u complain about mappers being unhappy but that i might be unhappy doesn’t matter to you

Testing smth requires $decline command. Otherwise mappers wont change anything and will argue a lot

if they dont change anything then they dont have the right to complain later

10:41

just ignore them

10:41

and go to next map

10:42

now you are just putting excuses

10:42

i think this discussion is useless now

$decline is needed to clean up queue. And maybe mapper will wake up and rework his map. Otherwise it does not make sense to give any advices

we are having the same discussion for the 100th time now (edited)

10:43

it’s just tiresome

10:43

and makes me want to test even less

If you want your map tested @skua just ask skilled friends to look at it.

10:44

@jao when release stroopwafel tho troll

@n000b 5 skilled players already tested it. We tested it with jao 3-4 times already

If jao needs to test your map 3-4 times, the quality of the map or the quality of the testing wasn t good enough

ye jao go on and $decline

I would $decline everything so my map would be faster released kek

I think that jao is one of the few people that can judge a map by it's originality and the flow of the parts. So not everyone can help him. People can however help him test maps for bugs/faults whatsoever. That's a bit of the issue I think

Testing has always been a contentious issue

Besides he has a different view because of his experience. He notices cheats, gameplay bug, mapping style problems etc. While other people only try and see if the parts are fun.

But I suggest anyone complaining come up with ideas of their own, because we spent an entire year a couple years back trying to figure out a better way and this is the best we could come up with

Since jao is leading the test team. The maps are from higher quality and that is for the benefit of the players.

my idea was to write a comprehensive tutorial about mapping

10:59

but that takes time

Maybe to clear the queue up, we should get like 4-5 maps in a separate queue to prioritise

but that would take weight of me in the long term

Maps that are sitting in the queue for years/months is pretty sad

11:00

@jao maybe you can let a couple people you trust to help you clear up the backlog?

11:01

because even if you get a tutorial out there, not like it'll help the maps already in queue

yea, the people i trust have no time/motivation either tho (edited)

testing maps has to be one of the most unfun jobs of ddnet lol

As a one time offer, I can offer you 2 euros per map you test \o/

11:02

In all seriousness maybe what testing needs is some motivation

testing is boring af

testing points which you can use to buy ranks? I bet that'd get konsti testing real fast

11:03

or lets sell rainbow or super like all the crooked blocker servers

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in the past