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@NeXus pls put noby gameskin author as abcqwerty feelsamazingman

https://teeskins.de/search/noby

why is it called noby gameskin

noby ban

anyone have entity skins?

04:07

like, clean looking entities

also are there any teeworlds TAS-s?

yes

@noby send

04:23

wait

04:23

the first or second question

04:23

but send either

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hl1U-7Q8Ih8

nobody nobody

teeworlds gores tas test 2

1

04:24

simple example

04:24

im not actually good at it, there are a few others who are

oooo

04:28

i wanna try

sry no, ppl would be angry at me if i released it xd

wait noby

04:29

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nj35bgtFRT0

nobody nobody

Three Epic Minecraft Floods

04:29

haha

04:30

that's cute

lol

04:30

i would have deleted it already but 87k views:o

04:30

nice chanel stalking

wait how tf does this has 87k views

idk

04:30

good question lol

04:30

my dumbest video has the most views

u rakin in ad revenue lol

not

04:32

@louis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_tGg4ndly4Q

nobody nobody

teeworlds grenade editor test 2

04:32

tas is a pain in hte ass

04:32

unless u wanna spend hours making a run input-by-input

04:32

remember 50 ticks per second

04:32

then dont bother

i've seen tas speedruns of stuff

04:34

i think it's amazing

ikr

idk like it would take a long time to do but it's really cool at the end

i saw someone who was actually good at it do aipgores in like 1min

04:35

most impressive tw thing ive ever seen

wow

04:35

wtf

04:35

link?

it was on his lanserver so no

oh nvm

04:37

is it possible to do unhuman movement with tas

04:38

cause like in mario kart and other games you can do super weird inputs to go faster that a human could never do

did my first video look human to u

well i mean yeah

04:38

but like

04:38

abuse the system

04:38

you know

04:38

like backwards long jumping

04:38

but in tas

u can make it as humanlike or botlike as u want, if u set a lot of inputs with really different mouse positions fast in a row then itll look super botty

04:39

idfk what backwards long jump is

what

04:39

u serious

04:39

its the famous mario 64 meme thing

this is teeworlds

okay but everyones heard of it

04:39

except some i guess

well

04:39

stupid question then xd

04:40

no u cannot backwards long jump in teeworlds

i mean maybe u can

04:40

just nobody's ever found out how

physics are controlled serverside

04:41

the client just sends inputs

04:41

and server figures out where the tees should go

oh i mean like

04:41

same in other games like csgo

04:41

but you can bhop

isnt that a feature they coded into csgo

oh really

04:41

i thought it was a bug

idk

that they just accepted

either way [11:39 PM] onby: this is teeworlds

bhopping in teeworlds though

04:42

that would be so cool

u could make a server mod that lets tees bunnyhop

lol idk code

then not relevant

only gamemaker studio

stop shitposting and go learn c++

bruh shitposting is funner than c++ but sure

04:42

i have microsoft visual studio

04:43

so i'll learn

it isnt

04:43

and u dont need

04:43

just need a text editor and a commandline

oh yeah i'll use online c++ compiler nvm

and u have those things alrea

04:43

no

idk how to do that complicated stuff

its simpler

04:43

actually nvm idk shit about windows

cout << "no u" << endl;

gj

uhh

04:44

var iq; (edited)

wrong

iq.louis = 500;

04:44

is that right

no

idk

04:44

oh

04:44

int iq;

04:44

??

yes

iq.louis = 500;

wrong

04:45

the . notation is for objects like structs and classes

04:45

not ints

oh

04:45

i do want to be a computer scientist when i grow up

also u added an extra zero

1

how long did it take you to

04:45

ha ha

04:45

learn

idk

wow (edited)

ive been playing around with c since i was rly young and just kinda learned it over time

04:46

c++ is similar enough

04:46

and google helps a lot

damn

04:46

ok

04:46

d3fault is about to say c++ is better or some shit

d3fault is about to say a troll thing

04:46

lol

@d3fault whered u go

c++ > c

oh

Qt/C++ ftw. Qt SDK (free and open source) comes with an IDE+Compiler and works with vanilla C++ too. Qt SDK > Visual Studio

what

d3fault is a paid shill for qt company

i mean the interface does look pretty nice

04:49

oh what

04:49

i have to pay

04:49

no

jk

04:49

but hes probably right

i mean

04:49

visual studio is kinda ass

04:49

there's some dumb stuff where i can't even compile stuff cuz some predefined header crap idk

04:50

it kinda turned me off from trying to learn

04:50

is there a way where i can just slap the stuff in a folder myself and just run it thru some simple program (edited)

waste u'r time ....

Qt/C++ does have a commercial side but fuck that shit. Qt/C++ compiles to win/mac/linux/android/iOS/WebAssembly and more

whats that mean

04:53

like it works on all those stuff?

04:53

what's webassembly

04:53

u just need

04:53

very simple shit

no u

@louis Qt/C++ runs on all those platforms, including GUI. WebAssembly is like javascript: it runs in the browser

stop advertisements

louis u already have visual studio so just use that

fuck Qt commercial, stick with open source

@noby how tf do u do that

with a text editor and a commandline

@plsplsplslol visual studio BROKE!!

u nobo then fix it

it bad

vs suks

no

04:55

what

04:55

i can't

04:55

googled it

04:55

everyone says no work

04:55

dont i have to install c++ into my cmd or something noby

if u have vs u probably already have a compiler

dang noby your computer name is nobody

get Qt SDK it comes with a C++ compiler and isn't shitty like visual studio

do you really hide your identity that throughly

yes

wait why is everyone in the teeworlds community behind their online veil

04:57

like

04:57

literally nobody has any connection to their personal life

thats intentional

04:57

@d3fault what is qt sdk lol

that's so weird

04:57

aren't we a community

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or smth

@noby bundle of qt shit

does being in a community require people to dox themselves

04:57

d3fault why xd

04:58

start simple

qt is simple

ok so when i type gcc into my cmd prompt it says not recognized so i think i have to download it

yes

bruh yall are paranoid someones gonna ddos you or smth jeez

04:59

like i'm pretty sure that weird dude that username is the n word could've found pictures of me and my whole personal life

04:59

so i removed that

IDE development will be easier than command line dev, esp for a noob

but like everything else is whatevs

noby is short for nobody

04:59

and my server gets ddosed enough not that its relevant to anything

hmm

@d3fault why lol

@d3fault idk i feel like IDE's have too much settings and stuff

05:00

confusing

05:00

that's why visual studio didn't work for me

ignore them

oh wow

05:00

they change up the program tho

05:00

precompile whatever stuff for you

05:00

kinda annoying

05:00

cause once you switch off that IDE or whatever

05:00

you have to relearn some stuff

thats why i say start with simple command line stuff

05:01

nothing that requires custom linking settings in ide which i assume is what ur talking about

ok maybe

05:02

i'll try both

and yes install gcc/g++

gn gonna sleep

05:02

gonna think about c++ in my dreams and hopefully learn everything

i mean getting compiling working will be easier in Qt Creator (ide in the sdk), but lol whatever have fun typing compile commands manually

and imo starting with c is better since c++ is based on c

05:02

almost everything in c will compile as c++ too

05:03

but not the other way around

honestly i might only learn C++ to make teeworlds hacks

05:03

whatever

05:03

sounds fun

start with c++ imo, you can do more with less effort

but ull understand less about what its actually doing

which is fine for a beginner

yeah gotta build those problem solving skills uknow greenthing

ye but theres no incentive to go back and do it the "hard" way after uve already learned the "easy" way

im pretty good at that tho

thats still not how i see it but using ur logic

dude

05:04

literally seriously

05:05

everyone in this teeworlds community is paranoid about their irl identity

i mean if were talking about simple command line programs for learning the basic concepts there is no reason to not start with c

05:05

since itll be pretty much the same

im steven and here is a pic of me and my files: github.com/d3fault

2

2

2

aight

05:05

wait

05:05

is that actually you

ye

ban

i used to be paranoid like noby then i stopped caring :)

kinda weird picture there tho

05:07

creepy

thx <3

05:09

also: i used to prefer C like @noby but then i saw the light. c++ > c

SHOOT

05:09

my github profile has my full name

05:09

therefore

05:09

whatever

05:09

AHHH

05:09

i have to clean my online prescence (edited)

if u use c++ ull look like d3fault

i did some bad bad stuff when i was a kid

^fax

well everything bad i did was under tght

@louis nobody cares what you put in your anus

so i should be fine

please remove the update its insanely broken

I'll add insanely broken to the bug list

@Ruh Second, most of the other things you mentioned if not all are difficulty reductions, they don't qualify as abuse

Why though

It makes things consistent for everyone. Did you know that some of the moves you mentioned are not even possible if you have a client id lower then the driver?

Yes I did

11:57

Thats why they werent abused

11:57

at least the actual broken ones

This makes keeping dj for hammerflying out of freeze and recovering a failed hammerfly a little easier. Makes deepfly consistent (previously people with bad connections couldn't even deepfly at all). Hammering out of freeze also becomes consistent (in the past depending on the order of your client ids, the bottom tee might not be able to hammer you up at all). Allows chain hammering and deepfly with others. 2 difficulty reductions, 2 consistency upgrades, 2 abusable cases

Just why

11:58

Why do we need this

I write a whole paragraph outlining the changes, you say "why" again

(in the past depending on the order of your client ids, the bottom tee might not be able to hammer you up at all) its not true

Fine I'll argue like that aswell

11:58

Why not?

not with 2 actual players i mean

11:59

anyway, deep parts are kinda useless now

11:59

u can cheat a lot of them

@Jesus Christ https://heinrich5991.github.io/blog/blog/one-tick-unfreeze

The Anatomy of a One Tick Unfreeze

I saw the deepfly bind the other day:

11:59

The code doesn't agree with you

i meant with 2 actual players

11:59

not a dummy

It doesn't work with a real player either

^ exactly my point

nah

@Jesus Christ join my test server to see how you could just as well cheese them without the fix

You ruin almost every map r1's

12:00

With cheatable deepfly

it worked with actual players, just needed skill

@Ruh Almost every map doesn't have deepfly

But almost every map has a deep part

12:00

That you can deepfly

Not every deep part is abusable by deepfly

Yeah

12:00

but way too many

besides with the mousewheel trick the cat is out of the bag, anyone can just cheat those anyway

12:01

So in that case the patch actually didn't change anything

Ah oh well

12:01

I believe you could have fixed that no ?

what mousewheel trick?

Here comes the pissed @snail

doesnt know the mousewheeel trick

12:01

rookie

Idk

then explain

12:01

u retard

You bind fire to mousewheel

You just ruined a lot of r1's with this update

with that logic u should add a bind that aims in straight line for every direction @Learath2 since people have been using the mouse_max_distance bind for years

True

Comparatively not a lot, probably a minority of all maps includes a deepfreeze part

(in settings)

Make 100000 binds for keys

12:02

Let the map play itself

12:02

basically make a TAS only with binds

12:02

xD

I'll not dignify your slippery slope argument with a response

ye bacon thats not the same

@snail I wouldn't mind adding proper binds for straight aims

Im just joking on that one

there are like 4 binds that are shit and annoying to make but every pro needs them so why not include them

then u rly should even tho its as cheaty as it gets

12:03

but possible with vanilla

Why do you all define cheat in such a weird way?

its probably easy to code isnt it

12:04

because simething that aims for u is a cheat imo

Our definition of cheating is explicit cheating

it literally does the action for u

If we don't deem it cheating it's not cheating. Look at the dummy hammerfly

and aims straight up, which u would most of the time fail manually

Why don't you find a way of removing the mousewheel trick instead of lowering the skill for a big amount of maps a decent chunck

12:05

Why is this the solution we got

It's just input, sanitizing input is not easy

12:05

How do you propose we detect this?

12:05

If every tick includes a fire command drop some of the input?

Max amount of mouse buttons uses a second

What if that input drops your specific method of nailing the hammerfly recovery?

Put a timer on it

12:06

Like when you are unfrozen

Any heuristic has an amount of false positive

12:06

I personally don't think making things even more inconsistent is a good idea

doesnt hammer have a very short cooldown anyway?

I personally think making the game way easier isn't a good idea

i have a mouse fire key and i couldnt use it on 1ms time delay on teeworlds

Over exaggeration, it's not WAY easier

A very good amount

it's slightly easier to do 2 tricks in a game full of things

Just the things that are faily right?

12:07

Especially in team 0 maps

12:08

So speaking in the most popular ones

If you'd read what I said, you'd see the 2 difficulty reductions I laid out

12:08

only 1 of those helps recover from a fail

whats the actual change btw, i dindnt really catch the start of the conversation

You can now consistently hammer out of freeze

how is that achieved

It's the same change we did for the laser

ah. so hammer buffers in freeze now?

Yes

oh oh

12:10

what if you have a chain of thees in freeze that hold hammer

You probably have the same concerns as me @Im 'corneum

12:10

Yes

12:10

That works

I mean I think I told this like 50 times

The thing is that also worked before. I have a mouse that has a wheel that spins freely, don't even have to touch it for 20 seconds. And if I bind +fire on the wheel I get the same consistency

Yes it is possible, yes we were aware, no it wasn't impossible before, yes it was easily doable

well.... its true everyone could have just binded it.

Im not too sure on how consistant a 20 tee chain was before

So we just made it more consistent, same as with the change that you can hold down left/right/jump while frozen and it works reliably

but whatever

It's unfair if only a few people know the binds to get those things working reliably.

Thing is deepfly with 2p is actually more consistant than deepfly with dummy

can you keep a "unfrozen circle" of tees that are completely surrounded by freeze?

@Im 'corneum huh, I wonder

I don't think so, since it all happens in a single tick

I think you'd push a tee out of alignment

next tick no one could trigger it again?

Oh yes, we work on discrete ticks

12:13

Nope not possible

@Learath2 And I told you that removing skill from important race moves is not something I like

ok now i just wanna know what can be mapped with that change :))

@Ruh why not?

I don't like the idea of making it easier

12:14

Simple as that

hammering through double freeze walls will be easier now tho.

12:14

which were used as fixes for aled eraier

12:15

earlier

I can't convince you if your position is that you just don't like it

12:15

@Im 'corneum You still cant make a freeze hammer through 2 tiles though

with 3 tees i mean

12:15

and yes you can with speed downwards

I don't think you can with 3 tees either

i saw it in a tw trick video. using only 2 tees

12:16

and 3 tees its defenetly possible. the one ion the middle just holds hammer now

yes but I don't think the one in the middle can reach the other one in a place where the other one would be unfrozen

12:17

Anyway, more insane tricks to watch imho

im pretty sure that its possible. let me search for the video

the 2p one?

12:18

Some gores guy

12:18

"the impossible hammer"

i cannot find the video

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0gqWK-hwH_I

Teeworlds Shyzo

The Impossible Hammer by GodXolaXola | Teeworlds Gores

hm thats just the clip tho

Only works with speed and pixel perfect hammer

12:19

Also may I assume that there is indeed something as "freeze hammer"

12:19

?

Oh yeah it would work with you going fast

Like freezejump

im lazy to read everything above, why did u change hammer?

Just with hammer

gameplay is so easier now

You end up deep inside the freeze before you get frozen and you hammer the tick you get frozen

@Kicker Thats basically the whole convo above

12:20

So it works

12:20

Thanks

12:20

I just wanted to know

@Kicker TLDR, two tricks are easier to do now

You can stack freezejumps as long as you want btw

12:21

I have an 8 tile freeze jump

12:21

Where u jump into a 1 tile hole

12:22

I think the main complaint is, wether there might be a better way to update this

12:22

As you see players are unhappy with the current solution

We could try to ban the mousewheel trick

Yes pls

I think people will get used to this and we'll get a nice couple parts out of it

i wouldnt say whether or not players are unhappy or not at this point

12:23

imagine removing it after 1 month. how many would complain

@Ruh Feel free to go ahead and code a consistent detection for the mousewheel trick

12:23

We welcome all new contributors

are u retarded

it was defenetly possible before

Thats cute

we were just too lazy to bind it

You can do it with the mousewheel aswell

and i think its kinda funny

Problem is

a lot of maps probably easier to r1 now

It was possible

12:24

But nobody used it yet

Now everybody knows

i used it :>

@Kicker I made them aware of that already

its new breath for konsti

entirely ur fault if you didnt use it tho.

how many cheats possible now with hammer chains

I don't complain about not using it

they were possible before

People are going to r1 anyway, especially people like konsti

But if you keep this feature for a month and then find a solution

12:25

You hzave a whole lot of damage

ThEy WeRe PoSSibLe bEforE

12:26

yes, but 0.1% community used it

12:26

lmao

^ Nobody used the mfor r1s yet

its true tho

Look, we have no fix for it

12:26

We couldn't come up with a fix for it

aimbot possible, when add it

This is the next best thing

how exactly was it possible

mousewheel

@Learath2 why make everyone sentient about the abusable bug tho then

bind +fire to mousewheel

Why didn't you just wait

12:27

To find a solution

Wait for what @Ruh

Why tell the whole community

its was discussed before

Okay my bad then

My hypothesis is that a solution doesn't exist

But now its completly public in the update tab

12:27

Now its not even fixable anymore

12:27

reverting is useless now

12:27

since everybody can use mouswheel

12:27

as you said

12:28

Since everybody is aware of it

well maybe. there could have been a tipp of some sort to tell more people about the original trick.

I know no good fix for it, @heinrich5991 doesn't want to work on another fix for it (I'm not even sure he has a solution for it)

so you didnt usd the mousewheel trick bacon?

No I didn't

i think packet loss makes this impossible to detect reliably

But I am not a rank 1 farmer so it had rather small use for me anyway

12:29

And I don't need to difficulty decrease either

Contrary to popular belief fixes don't appear out of thin air

Yes

@Learath2 im not allowed to vote dnsbl

Make a fix for it and we will consider it

12:30

@Im 'corneum GER?

But I claim it was wrong releasing this and make everybody aware of it just now

yes it was on ger but it works on another server now

12:30

also ger

Happens a lot rn

12:30

today

Everybody following #developer or @heinrich5991's blog knew about it

also it didnt make only hh maps easier

12:31

drag parts too

12:31

u used to play heartcore with dummy to make parts easier

12:31

now u dont need

Well till now no decent player used it I guess

how old is that mousewheel trick anyway

12:32

who invented it

i never seen how someone using that mousewheel trick

and when

@Jesus Christ many vanilla players used it apparently

I don't understand why you made it public

It was public, GOD

Thanks to @Im 'corneum btw

12:33

He found deepfly is unfixed rn

12:33

On dummy maps

so left click macro is illegal when youre frozen?

Look, bottomline is what's done is done, either people concerned come up with a better fix for it, or you learn to live with it

12:35

I just don't see any other way out

delete the 'feature'

is it a server or a client fix. because maybe deepfly was possible all along

I've actually laid out what it entails to "delete" the "feature". I don't see a way to "delete" it without other major shortcomings

12:37

it's a server fix, the server needs to know somehow when this is happening, that's the first part of a fix

12:37

the second part is to disable it somehow, you either drop the input or ban the player

12:37

either will have false positives

any response?

left click macro?

yeah when youre frozen

12:38

like in lwais clip

It's completely consistent now, no macro

@Im 'corneum it actually was possible all along

but i always used macro for that

Now you don't need to

im illegal monkaS

12:40

i dont wanna bind that to mousewheel especially since i cant spin my wheel (which some mice can)

I think you should try to see the bright side, with the cat out of the bag and no fix for this at hand, there really is no way to remove this behaviour

Also

12:42

You bring back

the bright side is we can now cheat maps

Startline skips

12:42

With /spec maps

12:42

You can stack tees and giving them sonic speed with hammer

wait... you hold the button down now?

Yes

best case scenario someone comes up with a fix for it in a couple days, I don't think you'll be too pleased if we delete all the ranks since the patch

12:42

@nexusrf just read the chat, I don't have it in me to argue anymore

finally i can be the best dummy player on stronghold greenthing

@Learath2 can you make ninja buffer too? its pretty annoying to spam fire and then its the last weapon left that doesnt buffer except gun

@Im 'corneum will need to write out all the up and downsides of that before, but I think it's a good idea

Its already buffered ?

12:46

If I am not wrong

@deen seen https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/342454474117218334/633641202193006592/bruh.gif ?

@Learath2 maybe copy your responses to #announcements

12:46

@Learath2 yeah, is that unintended?

well @Ruh idk about in freeze but you cant just hold down ninja. you need to spam it in the air

I'm quite okay with that behaviour. I just wasn't sure if you knew about it before you gave your +1

looks consistent

12:47

and looks like you could do some fun stuff with it

You could do way tighter kintas aswell

https://heinrich5991.github.io/blog/blog/one-tick-unfreeze relevant ?

@noby yes

hasnt that always been a thing

what if the whole update was just a setup to make everyone angry but also make that tr4ick known. so now when its undone, every pro binds his mousewheel to fire and some time later they cry for the fix back because they need mousewheel for weapon change think_bot

mousewheel for weapon change? use numbers

i use it for previeous weapon

I always used numbers aswell, but I'm far from good

i used up all numbrs for dummy stuff

News DDNet 11.7 with easier Hammer on Unfreeze 2019-10-15 DDNet 11.7 has been released today with the following highlights:

12:52

11??

12:52

shouldnt it be 12

oops

@Learath2 did u guys change russian servers host location?

13:07

im on 150 ping now, was 60 before

no

13:07

traceroute it and complain to your isp

why would i? i have 20 ping on ger so idk

it's probably some route change by your isp

13:08

maybe they ran out of bandwidth on a line of theirs or there is downtime on the line

idk man

the mousewheel hammer wasnt fixed? i tried it few weeks ago and it didnt work for me

Wasn't fixed

oh, weird

Some mousewheels can be too slow, if you have an unlocked one it's way easier

ye, ive a new mouse... which has a locked one, its still faster than normal clicking but i guess it was too slow

@Lexin did u try to set up a macro

13:14

mine clicks 50/ps

1

13:20

Removed @nexusrf from mods for botting

1

why is jumping not possible with mousewheel

I think jumping is not an immediate action but instead reacts on the next tick while your mousewheel is probably already unclicked when the next tick arrives

on the network, jumping is a boolean, firing is a number that counts how often you clicked

ah, right

why is firing the number of clicks

16:51

wait also

16:51

i was thinking

16:52

is it possible to travel up slopes in teeworlds at an insanely fast speed by pressing jump at the exact time the tee hits each block

2

what slopes

like

16:56

like u know

16:56

L L L

teehop

Hello

18:20

So I'm playing teeworld after a long time

18:20

But whats the differnce between ddrace and normal teeworld?

ddrace is a modification of teeworlds @CoolShot The gametype changed from being a shooter to a cooperative race gameplay.

I see

18:23

Apparent no one plays teeworld nowadays though which is sad

ssssssssssssssssssss

I wanted to play some DM haha

its multiple worlds

which teeworlds

most vanilla teeworlds playerbase moved to the new version 0.7 which is not compatbile with 0.6

18:24

get a new 0.7 client at teeworlds.com

why were the new hammer mechanics implementted

I have 0.7

its ruining hhmaps

oh yes ddrace dominating 0.7 too

When they say "most vanilla teeworlds playerbase" the playerbase they are talking about is the already small amount of vanilla players from 0.6

18:25

vanilla is quite dead except for a handful players that give it some activity occasionally

Rip

i can play dm if you want

yea dm community is pretty dead but ctf5 is still alive

Thanks but nah, I'll check out ddrace a bit too for now

i see dm being played more than ctf5

Man I remember when I used to play years ago

18:27

Those were some nice times

delete new hammer

what is this "new hammer" everyones screaming at

i don't think its that bad

18:49

it removes redundancy

havent been playing ddnet for a while

Dummy sever broken with the new hammer system, we can deepfly with other ppl than our dummy

why does that make a difference

dont dummy servers disable dummy hammer

no

19:11

some maps do

hey guys

19:12

uuuh

19:12

so

19:12

the hammer is weird today

dont drink and hammer

worst update

same stuff is possible as before

ye just babysit everyone more

make tricks available to the public, get more awesome tricks back

I think that's a cool change

19:13

such little things can change the game a lot

making tricks noobproof

19:13

tzz

can we have a discord bot that writes that the hammer is new every hour ?

allowing pros to do cooler tricks, @Brokecdx-

cup of tee deep part speedrun is speeddeepfly to undeep now

y exacly @heinrich5991

was still possible without that update

19:14

just harder

yes

@heinrich5991 u should look out for dummy ranks rn tho

now pros can combine that trick with others. cool, ain't it?

was just frame perfect and boring

frame perfect is what makes teeworlds

its wasntr

and could be simulated with a simple bind

mouswhell

"frame perfect"

19:15

1000 fps

then find new frame perfect tricks

frame perfect as in game ticks, 50 game ticks per second

Frame perfect is what makes teeworlds

There is a single tick perfect trick in game and this is it

using dummy to rank is often slower

dummy was special before

making a frame perfect trick more accessbile means old ranks are invalid

@heinrich5991 we should probably give dummy a way to do deepfly as it's easier with another player now

that is the only unfair advantage now

just

ya

@Learath2 yes, I was thinking of just using the hf bind for it

delete this change

19:16

i think

which means you can cheat through 4 tile freeze walls

19:16

pretty easier

@Brokecdx- with 3 tees

and so on

also delete all ranks

@jao's hairy kebab no. you were able to do this before. I was able to do this before. just check the scrollwheel

dont worry even with 20 tees

19:16

you can cheat so much now

@Brokecdx- as before.

19:16

with scrollwheel

19:17

100%

19:17

reliable

wbat

19:17

nah

yes

19:17

we tried it

20 tees 100% hammering at the same time ?

19:17

possible

Why is it that everyone just conveniently ignores the fact that you can already cheat

u guys are nobos for complaining about a quality of life change

but low chance

everyone is losing their shit about the trick they didnt knew. and now that they know it they dont like it

god damn, do you know how long that change was tested even before the PR?

@Gwendal it's 100% reliable, no chance

19:17

Well not 100% packets might drop

The old way ?

yes, 100% reliable the old way, if you order the tees by increasing client id

"by increasing client id"

19:19

thats a thing i wasn't able to do i guess

lol what how does that work

you make sure people enter the freeze in the correct order

19:19

show the client IDs and you can easily do this

seems more like only devs knew about these tricks xd

yeah so it was just way harder than right now

@Im 'corneum yeah xd

D:

19:20

no

19:20

not harder

@Gwendal before the patch even if you ordered the tees by client id, you'd need to spam like a god

19:20

without the mousewheel trick that is

yes, use scrollwheel

the mousewheel trick saturates the input easily

can't we fix mousewheel

19:20

instead of fixing hammer

We discussed this like a billion times

19:21

There is no good fix for it

i'm not reading/writting in dev chan because i'm scared to ruin intellectuals day sir (edited)

"but what about the ranks that are already done using scrollwheel?" is the easiest counter to this, but I don't really like it

basically all that happened is that it saved time. if the trick would become popular then everyone would be able to do it anyways. and now its just the time saved it would take for everyone to bind it

I like that this change opens up the possibility for new tricks

@Gwendal we discussed here in #general aswell

19:21

and in #off-topic

yeah today ?

yes

only read offtopic

so whats the new hammer change

general was like 350 message

@Deleted User hammer is now buffered when you are inside freeze

19:22

e.g. your first hammer is guaranteed

I love the fact that it'll give this game so much new accessible tricks

(you can spam it as a laser or a greande)

speedruns will be even more interesting

i'm not sure

there may be some nice parts with this fix

19:23

but old maps will be broken

seems like mappers love it while pros hate it

It creates some very insane freeze hammers through a couple tiles

19:23

very tight kintas

19:23

that's all I can think about right now

lol ye

whatever, old maps are old maps, new are coming and a lot too

no god please no

yeah given the right setup, your hammer has an infinite range lol

xdd

I just had the best idea ever

yes

the map itself having tees but bots

@heinrich5991 can you even think of a way to fix the mousewheel trick?

so a map that plays itself

and you hammer a chain of tees after throwing a frozen tee to the end of the chain

19:24

idk it probably sucks

ye id love to have tees as a map tile

like 5p map and 3 are deepfrozen or smth

that would rly be cool if they dont take slots

64 p map and 63 are deepfrozen

1

I think the main complaint here is that some tricks are just easier. Why does it matter that it's easier?

devalues skill

direct nerf to all hard maps

because some pros didnt use in their precious speedruns

19:26

and now they gotta do it again aaw

@Learath2 only client-side and forbid all old client versions tbh

i think i don't care about it's getting easier,thats even nice

except the ones that quit long ago

but it is just cheaty cheaty

I have a feeling that this will have a worse response

if you remove it now you will 100% see a lot of pros binding it

y too late

Oh yeah, there is no undoing this fix without banning all old clients and doign a clientside fix

19:28

I think if you all give it some time, you'll come to enjoy it

learath... anything to say about tees as maptiles tho? pls

@Im 'corneum I think I had a working tile that spawned a dummy

19:29

but I couldn't really find any use for it

make it hammer/laser/grenade at a set angle

@Learath2 di it take up server slots?

when hooked on/hammered/hit by an explosion ?

@Im 'corneum it did, but it should be trivial to make it not take up slots

halp btw

19:31

stuck on this

@Neben if you have the console open, showpls

@Learath2 it would be really cool to have.

@Im 'corneum it'd be extremely hard to make them do anything through the editor

xd

@Learath2 i mean only like a dummy. they dont need to move or anything

xd

19:32

pls no

@Neben the actual console, the one you get when you start the game with cl_show_console 1

oh xd

we should have a better way to extract that console

19:33

perhaps some button to "copy it to clipboard" or so

if u wanna fix the scroll wheel thing

19:34

can't you like, make a larger frame window to hammer while getting unfrozen in freeze

19:34

but, at the same time, make a system where if you're spamming hammer it doesn't work

19:34

so it incentivizes timing over spamming the button

you mean youre unfrozen for longer whle standing in freeze?

yeah

now that would break things

@Learath2 stuck on parsing

that would really fuck up many things ye

okay maybe not unfrozen but larger window to fire a weapon

or larger window to hammer specifically

@Neben that doesn't sound good at all

19:35

let me check

that could work bcs most weapons have a cooldown anyway. but idk if its easy to be frozen but able to fire

yea, that would probably work; however I think the current fix is more aligned with current weapon control in freeze

19:35

and jump

@Neben hmm, parses fine for me

perhaps truncated

@Learath2 Should I try to download from website again ?

Dopwnloading from the site should work fine, but I wonder why it doesn't work for you :/

@Learath2 launch in admin mode fixed it, don't know why it was restricted from start

Maybe you first launched it from admin mode, it'd set your permissions wrong

maybe

any slow mo maps out there?

21:20

like 1/8 spd

Only some Kobra map has a part

21:20

Kobra 4 I think

21:21

I tried making a moon map, but it wasn't fun

i want to play an easy map in 1/8 speed then speed it up x8 so i look pro

21:37

like aip gores or something

21:40

@Im 'corneum can u help me ur pro at map

Play a normal map and speed it up lol

21:45

he wants more frames to play his inputs

21:45

so that it would look better at normal speed

21:45

but its a shit idea because if ur bad at the game ur movements will suck anyway and u wont look pro

im semi okay

21:45

like i would know how to look pro in aip gores

21:46

im gonna do it

@deen here?

why was tele font changed