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Between 2019-10-15 00:00:00Z and 2019-10-16 00:00:00Z
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deen 2019-10-15 07:26:52Z
I lost a server's ip address but found it again with a port scan. One advantage of using weird port numbers no one else uses 😄
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[quakenet] Ryozuki BOT 2019-10-15 07:28:58Z
:o
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deen 2019-10-15 07:37:49Z
Usually I would just check the logs on other servers since that one does backups of them nightly but crond segfaulted all night and so no backups were made and the DNS entry was not updated. One of my main annoyances with Archlinux, that cron keeps segfaulting after some library was updated and you have to restart it manually. And of course pacman doesn't even tell you that the executable still tries to use already removed shared libraries.
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[quakenet] Ryozuki BOT 2019-10-15 07:38:35Z
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07:38
this irc bot is bad
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deen 2019-10-15 07:39:01Z
... that the executable still tries to use already removed shared libraries.
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[quakenet] Ryozuki BOT 2019-10-15 07:39:31Z
ye i had problems with that too
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GitHub BOT 2019-10-15 07:42:40Z
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[ddnet:master] 3 new commits
947b5e7 Fix some formatting in src/game/server/entities/character.cpp - heinrich5991 f19220f Allow to hammer directly on unfreeze - heinrich5991 c0474a7 Merge #1922 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #1922 Allow to hammer directly on unfreeze
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GitHub BOT 2019-10-15 08:05:34Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #1941 Fix IntersectCharacter
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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
b1ca920 Fix IntersectCharacter - 12pm d4a64e5 Merge #1941 - bors[bot]
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[ddnet:master] 1 new commit
1843e62 Version 12.7 - def-
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deen 2019-10-15 08:32:17Z
@heinrich5991 src/game/server/entities/character.cpp:1681 is wrong
08:32
src/game/server/entities/character.cpp:1681:18: error: ordered comparison between pointer and zero ('const float *' and 'int') if(m_Core.m_Vel > 0 && (m_MoveRestrictions&CANTMOVE_DOWN)) ~~~~~~~~~~~~ ^ ~
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GitHub BOT 2019-10-15 08:36:41Z
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[ddnet:master] 1 new commit
fcfc5a4 Fix velocity comparison - def-
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deen 2019-10-15 08:37:13Z
I'm not sure why it's > 0 btw
08:37
shouldn't it be != 0?
08:38
or is it only for stoppers blocking you from falling down, then just m_Core.m_Vel.y I guess
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GitHub BOT 2019-10-15 08:39:03Z
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[ddnet:master] 1 new commit
7a99161 Fix the fix - def-
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GitHub BOT 2019-10-15 08:47:25Z
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[ddnet:12.7] 2 new commits
fcfc5a4 Fix velocity comparison - def- 7a99161 Fix the fix - def-
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GitHub BOT 2019-10-15 09:05:26Z
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[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit
4bd210e Version 12.7 - def-
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[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit
33a74b8 fix show_ips - def-
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[quakenet] Ryozuki BOT 2019-10-15 10:02:28Z
updated aur
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deen 2019-10-15 12:14:12Z
Thanks
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GitHub BOT 2019-10-15 12:54:41Z
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[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit
32822f6 11.6 -> 11.7 (thanks onby) - def-
happy 1
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Learath2 2019-10-15 12:55:37Z
@deen wrong commit message 😛
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deen 2019-10-15 12:56:13Z
haha
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Rafael Fontenelle 2019-10-15 13:01:36Z
Ryozuki fastest maintainer in the west happy
13:02
btw, ddnet-skins package also updated with latest Bust-A-Move skins.
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GitHub BOT 2019-10-15 13:13:38Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #1942 Change sv_deepfly to work with hammer explicitly
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #1942 Change sv_deepfly to work with hammer explicitly
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[ddnet:master] 2 new commits
3a3df05 Change sv_deepfly to work with hammer explicitly - def- c72edb1 Merge pull request #1942 from def-/pr-deepfly - def-
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 13:37:55Z
@deen newest ddnet7 version I know of is 7d2b9decb2f4ea84760f1adcd749409cbbdf9cea
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GitHub BOT 2019-10-15 13:42:31Z
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[ddnet/ddnet7] New branch created: master
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Tropo 2019-10-15 18:47:31Z
is it intended that there is no "tele all" anymore on home server? or did the command change
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Learath2 2019-10-15 18:48:27Z
tele all?
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ChillerDragon 2019-10-15 18:49:05Z
yes all replacing the id and resulting in all players
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Learath2 2019-10-15 18:49:15Z
what does it do?
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ChillerDragon 2019-10-15 18:49:21Z
rcon tele all me
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Learath2 2019-10-15 18:49:35Z
I don't think we ever had an all victim
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ChillerDragon 2019-10-15 18:49:41Z
we had
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 18:49:52Z
we had
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Learath2 2019-10-15 18:50:00Z
we do
18:50
idk why it doesn't work then
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 18:50:18Z
src/engine/shared/console.h: VICTIM_ALL=-1, src/engine/shared/console.cpp: if(Result.HasVictim() && Result.GetVictim() == CResult::VICTIM_ALL) src/engine/shared/console.cpp: m_Victim = VICTIM_ALL;
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GitHub BOT 2019-10-15 19:10:05Z
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[ddnet/ddnet7] New branch created: d7
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jao 2019-10-15 19:36:22Z
because tele doesnt take a victim anymore
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Learath2 2019-10-15 19:36:52Z
Why not?
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[freenode] ChillerDragon BOT 2019-10-15 19:37:00Z
teleporters in map instead of players?
19:37
wasnt there telecp or something like that?
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jao 2019-10-15 19:37:28Z
i reworked it
19:37
but i didnt know about the all thing
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Learath2 2019-10-15 19:37:39Z
@heinrich5991 uhm, I can't start the prebuilt ddnet client
19:37
./DDNet: /usr/lib/libcurl.so.4: version CURL_OPENSSL_3' not found (required by ./DDNet)`
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[freenode] ChillerDragon BOT 2019-10-15 19:37:57Z
classic
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from ddnet.tw?
19:38
lemme check
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 19:38:14Z
BLURB
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Learath2 2019-10-15 19:38:14Z
yeah
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 19:38:16Z
god damn it
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I was so sure
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😦
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[freenode] ChillerDragon BOT 2019-10-15 19:38:27Z
PREFER_BUNDLED_LIBS=ON xd
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 19:38:27Z
sorry deen
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Learath2 2019-10-15 19:38:54Z
I wonder what the problem there is
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[freenode] ChillerDragon BOT 2019-10-15 19:39:03Z
np heinrich i guess most linux users can help themself
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Learath2 2019-10-15 19:40:08Z
@heinrich5991 oh it's a debian thing
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@heinrich5991 https://github.com/curl/curl/issues/2433
ABI breakage, cannot run application due to CURL_OPENSSL_3 issue ...
I did this Run application (that uses libcurl) compiled on Ubuntu 14.04 on a Ubuntu 18.04 target system I expected the following Application runs curl/libcurl version libcurl.so.4 CURL_OPENSSL_3 op...
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[freenode] ChillerDragon BOT 2019-10-15 19:40:36Z
yea could reproduce it on deb10 too
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Learath2 2019-10-15 19:41:08Z
I think we can work around that by building with a specific version of libcurl not provided by the debian package
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 19:42:23Z
blurb blurb blurb
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meh
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Learath2 2019-10-15 19:44:10Z
well what do you want to do about it? 😛
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Schulzer 2019-10-15 19:44:26Z
may i ask, what was the intention for changing the freeze hammer?
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Learath2 2019-10-15 19:44:41Z
We really should have written an announcement about it
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[1:57 PM] Learath2: This makes keeping dj for hammerflying out of freeze and recovering a failed hammerfly a little easier. Makes deepfly consistent (previously people with bad connections couldn't even deepfly at all). Hammering out of freeze also becomes consistent (in the past depending on the order of your client ids, the bottom tee might not be able to hammer you up at all). Allows chain hammering and deepfly with others. 2 difficulty reductions, 2 consistency upgrades, 2 abusable cases
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These are the results of the change
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https://heinrich5991.github.io/blog/blog/one-tick-unfreeze
The Anatomy of a One Tick Unfreeze
I saw the deepfly bind the other day:
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This explains the reasons decently
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TLDR: Behaviour was very inconsistent
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Schulzer 2019-10-15 19:51:51Z
I don't think we need the difficulty reduction, better player should be rewarded for having more experience and a better feeling for the failed hammerfly, that makes those saves even cooler, now everyone can do it. And the other thing is deepfly is something, that can break so many parts so it was ok being only allowed(necessary) on certain maps, where you know you need deepfly.
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Learath2 2019-10-15 19:52:48Z
sv_deepfly is still a thing to prevent deepflying
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The mousewheel bind to fire already makes those things easier, so the difficulty reduction is only a thing for peopel who don't know about the bind
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jao 2019-10-15 19:55:04Z
maybe we should actually do that
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snail 2019-10-15 19:58:46Z
ye
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:05:00Z
@jao do what?
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GitHub BOT 2019-10-15 20:06:50Z
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2a0ee58 Add helpers - Learath2
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jao 2019-10-15 20:10:21Z
disable deepfly by default
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snail 2019-10-15 20:11:01Z
(on every non dummy map)
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jao 2019-10-15 20:11:34Z
on dummy maps too
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snail 2019-10-15 20:11:45Z
that would make some r1s impossible to beat
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jao 2019-10-15 20:12:00Z
enable it on those
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snail 2019-10-15 20:12:20Z
thats a lot of manual work lol
20:12
and probably mistakes to come
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jao 2019-10-15 20:12:39Z
not that much work
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snail 2019-10-15 20:12:42Z
how would u check if deepfly had been used
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on that map
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beforehand
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jao 2019-10-15 20:12:59Z
u check if it was possible to deepfly or not
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snail 2019-10-15 20:13:26Z
i dont get it
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then u dont change anything
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jao 2019-10-15 20:14:07Z
i mean mostly for future maps
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snail 2019-10-15 20:14:11Z
ah
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isnt that the case already?
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jao 2019-10-15 20:14:19Z
no
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snail 2019-10-15 20:14:28Z
then sure
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jao 2019-10-15 20:14:37Z
ye
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snail 2019-10-15 20:14:37Z
but we should rly put sv deepfly 0 on every non dummy map
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before ppl make ranks with it
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jao 2019-10-15 20:15:10Z
some normal maps need exceptions i guess
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like heartcore
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snail 2019-10-15 20:15:16Z
ye thought about it too
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at least that would make that part non cheatable
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jao 2019-10-15 20:15:32Z
but thats about the only one i can think of
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but has been used for r1
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snail 2019-10-15 20:15:53Z
yeah
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jao 2019-10-15 20:19:14Z
so what do you think @Learath2
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:19:28Z
suddenly we want to disable deepfly, now that it's become less than horrible?
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jao 2019-10-15 20:19:58Z
because it makes stuff cheatable?
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:20:04Z
it was cheatable before
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jao 2019-10-15 20:20:13Z
but it hasnt been used
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snail 2019-10-15 20:20:16Z
well it was obviously not known
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jao 2019-10-15 20:20:29Z
because switching to dummy when playing with a normal player is a burden
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snail 2019-10-15 20:20:30Z
and doing it with dummy was a preeetty big downside
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yeah
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jao 2019-10-15 20:20:33Z
thats mostly not worth it
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:20:33Z
it's been known for at least two weeks now
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snail 2019-10-15 20:20:42Z
not rly
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just see how ppl reacted with the change
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:20:51Z
and I know some people who knew the trick
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jao 2019-10-15 20:21:15Z
yea but its so niche
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we would have known if people really abused it a lot
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:21:31Z
but okay, I like that we're accepting doing backwards-incompatible changes
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but I don't like that we'll have a split between old maps and new maps
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that's kinda inconsistent
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snail 2019-10-15 20:21:50Z
ive never seen 2 actual players deepflying
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:21:58Z
I have
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snail 2019-10-15 20:22:06Z
show me a demo then
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jao 2019-10-15 20:22:06Z
wdym by split between old and new maps
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snail 2019-10-15 20:22:36Z
im rly curious to see that
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:22:44Z
@snail what do you mean? I tried all that stuff with actual players, and I saw them deepfly and was also deepflying myself
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snail 2019-10-15 20:22:55Z
im talking in a real run lol
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not in a testing environment
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and before ur thing
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:23:06Z
before my blog post?
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snail 2019-10-15 20:23:08Z
aka 2 players using it while actually playing
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yes
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before ur blog post
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:23:45Z
before I started investigating it, I don't know if there's players that have been using it
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jao 2019-10-15 20:23:52Z
didnt u need that scrollwheel thing
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how many people have such a scrollwheel
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:24:05Z
no, we tried it with a normal scroll wheel
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worked too
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snail 2019-10-15 20:24:16Z
yeah it works with random scroll wheel
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:24:21Z
(I don't have an unlocked scroll wheel)
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I just assumed that it can't be that easy
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which was wrong
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snail 2019-10-15 20:25:00Z
but the id thing made it "random" and anyway it was ultra niche
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if 2 actual good players used it to deepfly it would have been known in no time
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:26:09Z
okay
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how do we teach this?
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that deepfly is disabled on maps newer than X?
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I know we already have some gameplay differences including deeplfy on some maps, which is bad enough
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snail 2019-10-15 20:27:51Z
just disable it on every non dummy maps
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dummy maps are different, and heartcore might probably be the only exception
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:28:03Z
even old ones?
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snail 2019-10-15 20:28:05Z
pros will know about it
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:28:20Z
I don't only want to reach pros, but okay, "dummy maps" seems like a fairly simple rule
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snail 2019-10-15 20:28:40Z
well heartcore is the only exception i can think of
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jao 2019-10-15 20:29:03Z
same
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heinrich5991 2019-10-15 20:30:07Z
do we have a setting that identifies dummy maps as dummy maps already?
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jao 2019-10-15 20:52:38Z
there is a dummy server xd
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GitHub BOT 2019-10-15 21:03:28Z
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[ddnet7:d7] 1 new commit
de83d03 Add chat commands - Learath2
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #1943 version `CURL_OPENSSL_3' not found
Hey guys, I get an error after updating: ./DDNet: /usr/lib/x86_64-linux-gnu/libcurl.so.4: version `CURL_OPENSSL_3' not found (required by ./DDNet) I imagine because of 3de73cf96aec19d6bfbfdba83e4b74a59dcc12ba I do have libcurl4 installed, but my distro doesn't package libcurl3. Could it maybe be made so that it works with 3 and greater? Or maybe bundle it again? Thanks, I must have that delicious hammer buffering.
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Learath2 2019-10-15 21:10:26Z
@heinrich5991 @Deleted User also seems to have noticed 😄
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GitHub BOT 2019-10-15 21:19:22Z
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[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit
bbf5477 Client -> Server - def-
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[ddnet:master] 3 new commits
eff759b Revert "Update ddnet-libs version" - def- db7d5c1 Revert "Don't bundle libcurl for Linux" - def- bf993e5 Version 12.7.1 - def-
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Learath2 2019-10-15 21:28:37Z
Does anyone remember what was the use for CTeamsCore?
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GitHub BOT 2019-10-15 21:41:12Z
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[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit
d9dcd1c Version 12.7.1 - def-
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Neben 2019-10-15 21:51:41Z
12.7.1 ?
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Learath2 2019-10-15 21:51:56Z
Small linux bundling issue
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Deleted User 2019-10-15 22:21:30Z
what did i notice @Learath2 xd
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Learath2 2019-10-15 22:21:30Z
Also does anyone remember what the point of having a front layer was?
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@Deleted User mishighlight, oops
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Deleted User 2019-10-15 22:21:54Z
ah ok xd
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Learath2 2019-10-15 22:21:56Z
meant to highlight @Jubjub
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Why didn't we allow multiple game layers?
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jao 2019-10-15 22:22:22Z
convenience
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Learath2 2019-10-15 22:23:31Z
@jao codewise?
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jao 2019-10-15 22:24:21Z
ah
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complicated or no?
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Learath2 2019-10-15 22:27:52Z
idk, I was recoding it and wanted to check whether there was a specific reason to have a front layer
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like tiles that can only be placed on the front layer for some reason maybe
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jao 2019-10-15 22:28:51Z
i guess hook and unhook has to be in game
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for vanilla compatibility?
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Learath2 2019-10-15 22:29:34Z
Ah yes there is that
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@jao is there a demand for more then one front layer?
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jao 2019-10-15 22:33:05Z
sometimes yes
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but don’t add unlimited game layers
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way too confusing
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Learath2 2019-10-15 22:33:40Z
I could make front layers unlimited
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jao 2019-10-15 22:33:51Z
imagine how that would look ingame
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10 tiles stacked above each other
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Learath2 2019-10-15 22:34:00Z
There being 1 game layer is mandatory tho, because of vanilla as you said
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Well front layers aren't really rendered except for overlay_entities
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jao 2019-10-15 22:34:25Z
ye that’s what i mean
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Learath2 2019-10-15 22:34:29Z
I guess many people play like that
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eh, it's just an idea, wanted to know if it'd be a useful feature
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jao 2019-10-15 22:35:07Z
well in the end its up to the mapper
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Learath2 2019-10-15 22:36:59Z
Do you also happen to know why TILE_BEGIN and TILE_END are slightly fatter then other tiles? 😛
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jao 2019-10-15 22:37:33Z
is that start and finish
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to make them unskipable then
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Learath2 2019-10-15 22:38:47Z
They are already made unskippable by the other check we have though 😕
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I guess it was the old fix that then got removed
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That then was forgotten*
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louis 2019-10-15 23:58:59Z
the freeze blocks and such are just fat enough so you can't fit in between them without getting frozen right
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Learath2 2019-10-15 23:59:16Z
I think that's how it is
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