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Between 2019-10-07 00:00:00Z and 2019-10-08 00:00:00Z

just use a open port @klenha

Worst thing that 0.7 hasnt the same mouse sens like 0.6 even though values are the same so not worth switching

i think it has mouse acceleration on by default, which is pretty dumb, and thats why it feels different (edited)

Why keep compatibility with a game that doesn't care about ddrace? This is a great opportunity to split and implement things like the account system, properly working stoppers and other features and maybe even make it closed source to not give bot/cheat coders an easy time

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account system but with variable names

F3 for learath

ddnet closed source

of course, with open source any bot protection you make can just be reverse engineered

thats never going to happen with the current team

it would be great if ddnet was a real game and not just a mod to some ancient game plagued with botters

14:03

you could do things properly then

ddnet wouldn’t exist in the first place if it wasn’t open source

who cares, it has a dedicated player base who would download a new client and continue playing, only people who use or code shady things would complain

and people who just want to contribute

14:06

and people who base their mod on ddnet

I heard teeworlds/ddnet code is a mess because so many random people were allowed to work on it, not all of whom were adequate

that doesn’t mean their contributions are worthless nor can’t be improved

still better than letting anyone and everyone add random things or code his own cheats

both open source and closed source have its pros and cons (edited)

for an online game closed source is clearly better

14:12

with open source it will always be a back and forth war between devs and bot makers

that’s only one aspect

14:13

as i said ddnet wouldn’t be where it is if it was closed source

that's true but it's never too late to change, like I said it already has a dedicated player base that can switch

14:16

ddnet basically has a monopoly in teeworlds atm

btw remember that u could still make bots (edited)

14:18

it would just be harder

at least you're not giving them blueprints how to bypass everything

i mean

14:21

theres nothing to bypass if we dont have any protection

14:21

WeSmart

lol

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yeah ravie, bcs csgo is sooo bot free xd

csgo has one or two players more i guess

ye so ur giving up open source for nothing in the worst case

anyway closed source wasn't even my main point, just saying not letting everyone do anything he wants is probably a good idea

yes, we always have huge discussion in the dev channel

well I have that channel muted because it's 95% nerd talk

ofc there often is bad code, but look at some games and wonder how they run so shitty xD

at least with splitting ddnet it would also be a good chance to clean things up and optimize

14:27

instead of clinging onto compatibility with old things that is only keeping you from going forward

but the funny thing is that it could be polished without dropping the vanilla support

14:28

bcs actually the client always alot of modification

many things will still work poorly because of this compatibility

and if it doesnt look so clean in vanilla(like prediction) its still doable in ddnet

you could make stoppers and doors work properly, make better prediction, remove skipping tiles

the problem is that ddnet tried to focus on not having a clean code base, not that it wanted to stick to compability in terms of what is possible

14:30

yes

14:30

and u dont need to drop any vanilla support for that

but just why keep the compatibility, what are the benefits

that vanilla players can play it too

other than being able to play ddnet on vanilla client ( which only half-works)

14:31

and joining other mods from browser

yeah but they come on the server see "download better client at ddnet.tw" and maybe do it

14:31

we only win by that , loose nothing

there is more than vanilla and ddnet client

well soon everyone who uses vanilla client will use 0.7 which is not compatible

ddnet is working on it

i thought u want to split ddnet anyways

14:33

then 0.7 doesnt matter

yeah that's the point

14:33

porting to 0.7 is pointless

14:33

only to keep precious compatibility

14:33

but stay limited

0.7 is 0.6 with small changes

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only bcs it looks different

14:34

doesnt mean its alot different

tees are ugly as heck

14:35

rendering is ugly as heck

as i said

14:35

only bcs it looks different its not really different

14:35

u could change the full design back and it would work

it looks different and it looks worse, already a downgrade

14:35

with split you could do anything basically

dude

14:36

cant u read?

I can, yes it's not a lot different but it still has the same issues as currently then

14:38

also if 0.7 becomes the new standard the skin making community is dead

well the skin is just splitted more nicely, not really gone, and it also supports non custom skins

only in 10 parts which people are free to mix to create awful abominations

14:41

and skin makers have to export everything separately

when updating to 0.7 we could integrate ddrace support into the vanilla client.

15:00

no need to hack anything

but just why? the only reason is precious compatibility but it gives limitations

15:16

also 0.7 ui is even worse than 0.6

the ui is not boung to 0.7 we can still update to the 0.7 protocol and keep a old ui or create a new one

15:20

it just makes sense to keep compability with the main player source

15:21

teeworlds is on the front page of ubuntu store of best rated games. And there is no ddnet.

it could be

ddnet would be nothing without teeworlds. DDrace is basically only a freeze tile which is basically just non moving tees which is basically afks. all the fun parts are powered by teeworlds core. I do not know any game that is fun playing with afks.

15:22

and there are other nice gametypes based on tw would be sad to fork away from this just as ddrace

it has evolved beyond base teeworlds

15:24

and is now held back by it

@Ravie i am curious, how is it held back?

@ChillerDragon ddnet != vanilla, adding ddrace support for vanilla = kill the game

thats such a biased pov @ChillerDragon lol

15:38

dota would be nothing without warcraft 3 engine yet now its an own game generating billions

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same for cs and half life

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and many more

15:39

just because ddrace is originally based on tw doesnt mean it NEEDS tw to continue existing

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especially when ddrace has become bigger than it and as ravie said is being held back by it

cs and dota are some bigger games with bigger communites that actually survive a split

most ddrace players dont care for shit about vanilla

15:40

and vice versa

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also u could still play both

oh so i am biased because i play vanilla?

no u are biased because u think a mod needs its original game to survive

and in what way is vanilla holding back ddnet?

do i rly need to answer that

yes

lol

@snail I am serious tell me. If your whole point is so obvious that you dont speak it out, then please just tell me because i dont get it.

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how many times has the precious "vanilla compatibly" been brought up when discussing changes? how many timed has it made implementing stuff (or even thinking about it) not possible? why is pprace (ddrace with portal guns) 5 years old yet only playable with a specific client on specific servers?

15:49

muh vanilla compatibility HaHaSmolGreenThingSittingHaHa

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shat de fuck up

u could have crazy ideas u know it wont happen because we're bound to tw's engine lol (edited)

ah i see. Now i understand why you find it obvious and i dont. Because you see that as limitation and i see it as safety that the gamecore is not changed too much. I can imagine some players miss some new features like new weapons etc but other players for sure like it how it is. We have all this crap already tunes/jetpack/switches etc but yet still basic t0 maps as stronghold are most popular. And yes I agree those features that actually change the game do not belong into teeworlds and i would be happy if those would fork away.

ddrace would definitely "survive" a split, most "teeworlds" players play mainly ddnet on ddnet client

15:56

only vanilla 0.6 will die

0.6 vanilla is probably going to die yes

imo changing it too much just makes it shit, then we get stupid changes that will bloat all maps, there are more than enough things u can change already

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how would it bloat all maps

15:57

ie adding a new weapon literally changes nothing

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to any existing map

because some mappers tend to use those features and players have to deal with it

you can only bloat it by adding more useless features, not by making existing things work as well as possible (edited)

15:58

and many work nowhere close to flawless

what is not flawless?

pretty much everything except hook/unhook/ht

well one example is moving tiles on kog, nobody really likes it, its ok that sometimes there are maps with it, but they are rarely played

because they re not a ddrace server

not counting mundane things like spawners

lol

but spawners are actually pretty broken too

what bothers you about freeze/deepfreeze unfreeze/undeep @Ravie ?

im pretty sure moving tiles could make great parts on ddr

@ChillerDragon hitboxes

those moving bullets arent much fun to play imo and tiles would be pretty similar i guess

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what is the problem with the hitboxes @Ravie ?

technically edges should not be possible, they just became part of the game from sucky hitboxes

its a feature and not a limitation of the vanilla compatbility

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it was added intentionally

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it could be reverted

it's a feature :^)

yes actually edges are a feature in ddrace they are used in maps

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and not a limitation of the vanilla compatibility

they became used after people found that freeze has a sloppy hitbox and started to use that "bug" in parts like they always do for some reason

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thats not adeveloper discussion

16:03

lol

@ChillerDragon imo freeze/tele/etc should have the same hitbox and have a hierarchy of which tile takes priority instead of differently sized hitboxes

@Ravie it was possible since ever to edge a kill tile in vanilla too

that's also a sloppy hitbox, only it's so precise that back then nobody would be crazy enough to find a use for it

but as of today having a hard edge and a normal one is a nice feature

but its not a general discussion men

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I don't like anything "edge related" ec. edgehooks but it's already way too grounded in the game to get rid of

@Ravie and you want to add new features. Then the chance things like edges are created again are likely

I don't want to add new features

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just saying that splitting will allow making existing ones work actually how they should

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Edgy

65min time btw

wow so edgy wtf he said the n word lol look at him wtf

and its not even real smh

@Ravie well if you change gameplay then all maps are affected?

nah only a few

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for example if you fix stoppers you need to find and fix/remove maps that use cutting into stoppers

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there might be like idk 5?

but then instead of fixing it they delete all the maps like lunar base

I can honestly think of only 1 map that actually uses that as part of gameplay

17:47

there is probably a few more but it's not exactly a common thing

i know of 2 maps that would change. duodecimo and dummy chamber

and that one shitty solo map

is it really a problem to just not fuck up your stoppers as a mapper?

17:49

should players suffer for a mappers icapability

I mean being able to get into them with speed

17:50

would be much nicer if they worked like collision

oh i completely missed the point then

17:50

then just add new tiles

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the existing ones but again and working

like with how we have 7 different ways to map ht?

but do you know all 2k maps

well if a map doesn't work someone will report it

17:51

I don't see a problem

why would a map not work if its newly added

it should be fixed without people having to report it and losing a run

I mean old maps that somehow use that particular "bug"

i know that HMH can scan all maps for certain tiles. he did it with the fake tele

u cant scan maps for parts that require going into stoppers lol

i mean if the stoppers end up in a old map because it used to be a empty tile

ok then let's not fix anything because 3 guys might lose their run

ah that wont happen anyways

17:52

maps have no unused tiles anymore

oh

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i thought its an option

someone cleaned all the old maps

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19:52

man was 1 badass

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Could someone please help activating my account on ddnet forums?

no

@justacityboy what's the problem?

@heinrich5991 I registred a account, but I can't login - he specified username is currently inactive

@justacityboy what's the username?

@heinrich5991 yourenglishteacher

have you activated the account via the email you got?

Vali is doing this again

@heinrich5991 forum accounts have to be activated by an admin

22:47

done btw

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