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Between 2019-09-17 00:00:00Z and 2019-09-18 00:00:00Z

@here

03:13

can we get a bruh moment

03:13

thank you

is it just me, or it has been harder for maps to get released from testing? only big names can get their maps released, and i think it's wrong.

take a look at #map-releases

12:37

both mappers arent "big names" (edited)

12:38

one of them never had a map released

that's just one map lol, also knuski and archimede67 is very known in the community

12:38

look at the past 10 maps released

12:39

its almost all big names

12:39

also there is an insane amount of maps currently in testing

i wonder what makes you notice that

to which nothing is happening, no one is testing

we have different definitions of "only" and "big names" then (edited)

@nexusrf about 5-6 months ago when i started checking out the maps in testing, and i noticed its about 5-6 now its like 20

if u map bad u map bad

12:41

flag_unk

@jao remove this emoji for the other one

@Ryozuki i need that one

why

okay, so why do you do private testing sessions with people with a known name in the community

for $find

12:41

it’s the default flag

12:41

lol

thank you for sharing this wisdom @Ryozuki

np bro

12:42

its coming from my all seeing eye

12:42

and the

@Boci i didn’t know knuski before testing his map

who is Knuski

yea exactly

you obv knew archimede67 tho didn't you

a koala member guy

or Suka ?

ok tbh suka always spams people to try his map

they are 'big names' cuz they are good mappers, sooo their maps are good

12:43

whats weird wit it

12:43

with

but the only guy that needs to approve your map is either jao or some tester, but mostly just jao

i didnt know suka did maps

im a big name

u a big coder

i remember pizza

@nexusrf pineapple pizza? (edited)

@Boci well what are u suggesting we should do?

no

good thing u tagged the wrong guy

12:44

man @jao i rly need that emoji

12:44

boo

remove this

12:44

music

or this

honk emote ?

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chillerdragon needs the ghost signs

signs

its just too good

get more testers, who have authority to approve maps, and generally more tolerance towards new people mapping

nah there are better pepe emotes

it's just bullshit how 20 maps are in testing

12:45

and none of them are getting any attention

@jao did he got his map rejected or smth?

@Boci from where should we get those testers

konsti is willing to help

lmao

twinbop

i like this one @Ryozuki

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konsti is no option

why tho

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smaller looks better

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because he’s not trustworthy

you know how to get those testers, ask some people maybe? Make a google form so people can apply for it? Whatever, its not hard is it ?

google form ew

yes it is because testing itself is harf

12:47

u cant add random people

@Boci do u test maps

sometimes, yes

then do it more and stop complaining

wow ryo

and i dont know any non tester that would have the requirements and is willing to help

savage

but jao wont approve any maps that have been thoroughly tested

u can test a shit a lot

12:47

if its bad

what

it wont be released

why wouldn’t i approve such maps

did u or some of ur friends get his map rejected?

12:48

maybe its u the biased here

12:48

idk tho

i am biased yes

12:48

my freinds map was $ready by kicker

oh

then jao was like "too basic lol"

so i was right

12:49

no more to say here

12:49

so if i have any connection to a mapper then i have no say in this

12:49

cool

12:49

this is going nowhere

hes right that todays testing system is not working well tho

the only solution i can think of is me teaching someone how to test

12:49

but that’s a lot commitment too

$reject maps that aren't going anywhere

@Jesus Christ every moment in ddnet history everyone complained about map testing

12:49

literally

ye ik

and don't just say shit like "its not fun" and not release it, because its an opinion that is relative

its also ur opinion to think it is fun

it’s an estimation

also mappers will always think their own map is the best and its fun af

there is no point in releasing unfun maps

u cant see ur own shit

if some people think it's fun then its worth releasing

12:51

that's my point

release shocktsunami

"if my bubble of friends say its fun then ddnet must release it"

release all maps that are done

yea exactly

12:51

u will obviously "like" ur friends map

i wasn't a friend of his til after his map got declined

12:52

lol.

12:52

"declined"

who is he?

im saying in general

ciniminix

12:52

like i see soo many maps

12:52

that are done

12:52

are good

wats the map name

and just sitting there

12:52

balega i already said (edited)

the ultimate solution to faster releases is better maps btw

yea sure xD

im just sitting here

12:53

but what are u doinh

ye its mappers who dont ignore the shitton of threads about mapping

ur complaining but u dont have a proper solution either

why are maps that are done not released, or declined?

because they haven’t been checked by a tester

so like the 3 people

12:54

who are mostly inactive

im just watching the map

12:54

no wonder it should get declined

12:54

this is really generic and boring

do u know how much time properly testing a map costs?

idgaf if balega is declined

ur friend should learn from meliodafu

12:54

on mapping dummy maps

especially if the map is bad

i dont give a shit about balge

12:55

what about picklock 2 ?

12:55

shawker?

now change the theme

12:55

lmao

@Boci testing a map is time intensive

12:56

which is especially true for hard and bad maps

try recruiting secondary testers

12:56

who actively test

from where?

secondary testers lmao

from the discord

anyone can test a map

as u said there is no activity in testing

people just dont bother with it

i cant pull good testers out of the void

anyone can test the map but jao doesnt give a fuck what they say

show me an example

12:57

of where he doesnt give a fuck

anyone can test maps?

12:57

my dude

12:57

u dont know what ur saying

anyone can test maps?
my dude
u dont know what ur saying

explain

testing isnt just playing the map

12:58

there is a lot stuff u have to consider

12:58

and that requires knowledge

that doesn't mean that anyone can't do it does it?

https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=49 https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=5137 https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=4021 https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=2427

yes it means not anyone can do it

@jao if konsti is not trustworthy with powers he still can test maps and tell u if its releasable like that or not right

map testing servers are open

okay so lets get back to balega, why aren't you canceling it ?

konsti is manipulative as fuck

jew

2

13:01

who in ther right mind would listen to anything he says (edited)

@Boci are u nazi?

no that was a joke lol

what can he manipulate by testing maps?XD

sure

okay so lets get back to balega, why aren't you canceling it ?

he manipulated me into releasing an apparent oldschool map that turned out to be by him

LULW

1

that wasnt the reason why he lost tester rank actually

ye because i was stupid enough to give him second chances

and dont we talk about mainly new maps by legit players and not about faky oldschool stuff

we talk about how konsti is the least trustworthy person in this community

nah botters are

id trust botters more than that guy

okay so for conclusion im gonna say, we need a change in the map testing stuff, because its really bad right now.

@Boci congrats u are the 100000 on ddnet history to come up saying this

and i think you are talking about that there are no people which would actually be good at testing maps except konsti who is a troll right

congrats you keep on ignoring problems, and dodging questions

13:05

.

u dont know how many times

13:05

testing has been changed

[8:04 AM] jao: id trust botters more than that guy thonkery

thonkery

i mean u dont have to give him powers or something if he just helps u testing with no advantages for himself

i mean, it's better then it was back in the forum-map-testing age

and botters suck

ur not even providing ways to fix this

y can't we the people vote for maps to be release for example

getting people from nowhere is not a solution

you are the staff of the server, its not my job to come up with a solution

vote for maps, well here comes aoe with his aim 12, its a trash map? who cares, his fanbase will smash f3

13:07

lol

13:07

"you are the staff of the server, its not my job to come up with a solution"

it would be like, the votes are just a number, they don't actually do anything

13:08

just indicates to the testers (edited)

@Boci if u actually want to help improving this, feel free to recruite testers on my behalf

i can test maps with random people i play with, and then post about it in the according channel

13:09

i feel like it wouldn't do much would it

"i feel like it wouldn't do much would it"

why not?

thats not the mood for map testing

because it gets ignored, by either the mapper or the actual testers

and how would u solve that?

why testers need to say something about ur map testing

13:10

if the mapper doesnt care it will get stuck

13:10

not our problem

because they are the ones approving lol

no

13:11

they not approving if ur test is correct

13:11

a map bug is a map bug

13:11

they approve if the map will get released

can you define how a map can get released

13:11

what are the criteria

ddnet.tw/rules a good start

@Knuski

that just makes the map playable

boils down to average quality, fun and some sort of creativity

13:13

having a clean map style is a good start

so if it has avarage quality and fun and is original it will get released 100%?

and not mapping parts that make people suffer

why was memento mori released then ?

My map got approved by jao in 1 day Unpopular opinion: A map needs much more testing before putting it into the test channels, I tested my map so much for a long time and really hard. I invited like 20 of my friends that played it with me, the map got better and better. Ppl are making their way into discord test chsnns way too fast imo

13:14

@nexusrf

feelsamazingman

a map can be disapproved in day 1 imho

13:14

if u have to test it a lot for it to be approved

it was original, fun to watch but impossible to finish

it means u didnt follow the map rules before

13:14

and u should have put it to test later

@Knuski i know how much map testing there is before it even gets (or should get) to the testing room

@Boci that map is aimed at the best players that are out there

so i can just make a map that is insanely hard and makes me suffer for 46 points, and call it a "pinnacle of skill " and it will be released?

13:16

i dont get this double standards

where is the double standard

13:16

i doubt u will make a good hard map if ur not good player

13:16

go and try it

@Boci its hard to evaluate that from ur perspective because ur not one of those top players

13:17

its hard for me too

13:17

might actually have been a mistake but mistakes happen

i know i am not, i have watched the playthrough at least 25 times already

13:17

it is satisfy to look at

13:17

but definetly not fun to play it

13:18

even starkiller didnt finish the map

fyi i had n9 test memento mori to get the opinion of someone who would actually play the map

so it's basically a map for 1 guy

starkiller is a tryhard who waits in team 0 till gets rescued

no other pros played it too

they can get good and finish it someday

13:18

doesnt have to be now

they didn't ever finish it tho

e.g. xeno, gdin

13:18

ye thats the point?

13:19

a map thats hard to finish?

not finishing a map doesnt mean its bard

13:19

adrenaline 4 was unfinished for a long time iirc

13:19

and its not a bad map

would be kinda weird if the hardest map would be finished by a lot people

i mean almost noone finished run_antibuguse for a year or so and i dont think anyone complained there (edited)

1 finish in 7 months is a bit of a stretch isn't it ?

13:20

no one bothers playing the map when u only get like 20? points (im not sure) and it takes like 10 hours of trying to finish (edited)

they dont finish for poihnts

13:20

finishing antibuguse

13:21

is a sense of pride

What's the problem having A challenge?

and effort

13:21

it means you are good

the double standard is, how jao said a map shouldnt make people suffer, and then after that allows memento mori to get released

13:21

memento mori is a definition of suffering

u dont understand what i mean by making people suffer

thats ur opinion

i mean putting random faily parts in moderate maps

that unbalancedness not "making people suffer"

13:22

imo

13:23

do you play every map yourself before releasing it ?

i will say this, 6 people finished run_antibuguse and that map was up for 3 years. nether, first one to finish in 2016 and after that forris finished in 2017. "a bit of a stretch, isnt it?"

13:24

you may question yourself, why was that map released then?

ofc i play maps before releasing them

@nexusrf people finished after they look at HOW to finish it

memento mori is just hard as hell... thats why noone finished it except for n9m

people know how to finish memento mori, they just don't

U don't need brain for memento mori

13:26

Just skill

antibuguse is unfaily

13:27

ofc more people finished it

okay good point actually

i mean i dont have to say anything, i just wanted to let you know that there are different maps that were never to rarely finished ever, because of the skill requirements

i dont really like when someone ask why a map was released. you should rather ask why not to realease a map. it takes no recource, we can have unlimited maps. its only important for the people who farm points.

THATS WHAT IM SAYING

no thats bad

i. want. more. maps.

even tho i rly rly hate rush clouds 2 hehe

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i dont want more maps but i feel bad for mappers whose maps get declined after lotsa work

it doesnt make sense to not release a map

no one will get excited for new maps when half of them are bullshit

we had a era when lot of maps were released

at maximum people won't play it

and people complained about that

new maps will lose attention (edited)

13:28

people wont put effort into making maps

13:28

etc etc

13:28

its not a good solution to just release every map

we will turn into ddmax

13:28

xd

at least there will be new maps of experiences

no lol

13:29

it will be repetitive

13:29

like ddmax

ddmax is garbage

yep

all maps are the same

yep

@jao that might be because of the lack of releases. when you wait 2 weeks for a release and then its a hard solomap, of course its diappointing. but if you release a map every 2 days then its whatever

@Im 'corneum if you release so many maps and half of them are bad, how do people find good maps they actually want to play in all that garbage (edited)

there are good, high quality maps in map testing

13:30

that are slept on

e.g.?

Pyramids is fun

2

pyramids, picklock 2, shawker, tenebris

@jao maybe if you kinda rate them before then they dont have such a high expectation in every release. i said this before but i think there should be "smaller" releases that dont get the attention of a silex map and just kinda appear.

@Im 'corneum I AGREE SO MUCH

how does a smaller release look like

that way we could release small solomaps that are nice for speedrunning but contain no real new parts

13:33

well. i guess dont announce it. no screenshot. and just write it when its there. or not at all

thats an announcement

just write it

and releasing maps without an announcement misses the point of the release

i mean dont say: this map will be released then and then

just say

13:34

xxxx released

thats how some "normal" maps are released too

13:34

i.e. released on same day as announcement

true...

anyways you will still have the issue of people not putting effort into their maps anymore

but there must be a way to inform the mass that a map might not be to the liking of all players

13:36

@jao a map can be nice to run even tho the mapper didnt put a lot of effort into it. like very shortrun map

13:36

every*

expected quality : rate xxx/100

by doing that u basically enable mappers to not listen to testers whatsoever

13:37

which is not the way to go

^

maybe lower your standards?

no

13:38

maybe mappers should upper their standards

^

maybe you should evaluate maps that are done

???

decline it

13:38

if its bad

13:38

approve it if its good

ye and to do that i need to test it

13:38

which as a i said takes time

13:39

(and motivation)

then just test 4head

4head

13:39

you tested balega right? its boring right? decline it then.

what about trying to get it to a releasable state

say that then

13:40

communicate more

thanks for the talk anyways

if u want to help ill try to take a look at it

13:52

so it wont go to waste

okay

balega is kinda nice

lets all be happy and smile

actually ddnet should release balega

1

monkawew

2

14:05

ddnet need more maps like this

shoudl release w3na

troll

3

TRUE

LULW

@Boci thanks xD

for what?

first guy who like tenebris xD

good map

@jao can you help

14:41

@Learath2 or you

with what

nothing now

14:48

all good

btw

14:57

https://dontasktoask.com/

Don't ask to ask, just ask

Maps should be high quality

15:03

Main quality is not a good standard when having already 2000 maps (edited)

delete garbage maps and ddmax maps

15:04

lol

There are also good ddmax maps lol

90% are puke

Adrenalin 3

15:04

Nah

I mean you have a lot of choice already and new maps should just be very good. Before they even enter the test channel

15:05

Test channel is only to show jao your map is ready

15:05

And there are a lot of bad mapped maps when enter map channel

15:05

Mappers fault nobody wants to test it

15:06

Because it is no fun

15:06

Knuski's map is released in 1 day because his map didn't really need any feedback

its a good map yes

So to solve the testing problem, people should only upload finished maps (edited)

what Knuski's map? (edited)

That is only how it really works

#map-releases

ah

people should only update finished maps what?

haven't seen this in testing

@Boci upload*

15:08

@skua it wasnt because they showed jao in game and it was directly released

i want to send this here again because its amazing https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MO31n-Sz_nE&feature=youtu.be

Only good maps (with less feedback needed) are fun to test.

15:09

So bassicly it is the mappers fault if you ask me

maybe he makes a complete maps with no design flaws or bugs, but the map is deemed boring

that part looks annoying af lol

15:17

looks cool when you finally did it after 10min

@jao thats a nice web xd

what is VCRUNTIME ?

15:18

Embedded image

15:19

asking help about 0.7 in ddrace server

15:19

troll

15:19

;-;

it means that u use windows and its bad

justatest

2

2

15:21

idk tbh

15:21

@Deleted User u should ask for teeworlds problems on teeworlds discord

15:21

this is ddnet

i have already asked but no one talk

jajo and snail

15:30

two snails :)

3 snails

15:31

who is third?

15:32

a

15:32

enji

15:32

sorry

XD

@TortiLeq u forgot enji

15:32

signs

:)

fury

fury

fury

signs

signs

XDDDD

@n000b of course maps that are already good are fun to test, it's a real pain to try to turn something bad into something playable especially if you don't enjoy playing it yourself

@n000b we did test the map with testers tho xd

16:04

So not 1 day but a bit more ;)

@jao i dont think it was wrong to release memento mori

there should always be a high end map^^

i dont think too, it was just a point to bring up for double standards, but in the end it was just a misunderstanding

@eNJi

ye?

blockmark on silk touch

18:50

and i need a team mate

18:50

so u come

18:51

when are u coming @eNJi

18:52

danAmazing

its full

justatest

bro

18:54

kick anyone

18:54

idk

18:54

@eNJi i leave

18:54

so u join

18:54

and ban them

18:54

so i can rejoin

18:55

ok ?

abuse

banning blockmarks members spamming isn't abuse at all

vali (edited)

19:47

hello

19:47

how can I help you?=

with no ddos

banning without reason is gay

"spamming"

tldr

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