DDraceNetwork - developer

0.7: Hey, I have two questions: 1. Why does my rainbow get faster with increasing server uptime (higher tick value)? 2. If I shoot in /pause, so i can spec another player, and then resume the gun shoot will come. Why? It shouldnt save the input, but it somehow does

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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #1906 DDNet 0.7 lite

@fokkonaut is going to work on giving us a 0.7 DDNet server, he already ported DDNet server to 0.7 for his own mod so only needs to cut away a few features.
I will make a map converter to 0.7 today so that we will have all maps available immediately.
Remaining task is to take current DDNet client and apply only the network and skin related changes to have a 0.7 compatible client with the same look as current DDNet client.

Any volunteers? Or thoughts about these plans?

@fokkonaut where can I find your ddnet 0.7?

Currently you cant. Its in my private repo combined with my mod. I will make a pure DDNet when I get home.

@heinrich5991 that ixy-languages thing is so interesting, I was sure some black magic would be needed for such high performance applications, yet the C is very clean and readable. I guess sometimes elegant code can also be performant

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The accompanying talk at 35c3 is also pretty nice

15:24

(not that I really agree with the sentiment, drivers still benefit from being written in C as can be seen from the graphs)

rust seems to be also fine

15:25

+ you get the benefit that you're less likely to be exploited

Sadly rust is plagued by lifetimes and all low level code having to rely on "unsafe" stuff

Still better than everything relying on unsafe like most other languages (other than Haskell and friends)

For something like a kernel having to have unsafe everywhere just becomes inconvenient at some point

C best

Definitely not, C is too unwieldy for most things

17:29

@Learath2 i see u joined the js team

There is a place for most languages, I don't see the niche rust fills

im 2 lazy to learn rust

17:30

it uses kinda some diferent syntax which im lazy to learn

17:30

https://www.rust-lang.org/learn/get-started

Getting started

A language empowering everyone to build reliable and efficient software.

I spent a bit of time learning, it's syntax (or maybe semantics) are just too different from most languages

look they have a pretty website

17:31

so they can catch

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programmers

17:31

relying on superficial stuff

Rust has a pretty strong community behind it and is well developed, it's just unwieldy in the niche it claims to fill

what niche is it

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systems lang?

It's just not a good "systems language"

lately i taken a like a lot for C i dont know why

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but i cant stop

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i look at c++ and im like uhhh

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i know i explain myself so good justatest

If I'm prototyping I'd rather use python or nim, if I'm writing a web app I'd rather use js, if I'm writing a backend I'd rather use php, if I'm writing a game I'd rather use C++, if I'm doing embedded I'd rather use C

i see so you would use php at some point

It just doesn't fit in anywhere in the list of things I'm currently doing

making a game in C is not that hard

I adopted php because of it's very C-like syntax and nice frameworks

do you think php has future?

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js looks rly strong right now tbh

17:35

even for backend

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nodejs

https://github.com/exezin/exengine This is what siO has been working on for quite a while

exezin/exengine

A C99 3D game engine. Contribute to exezin/exengine development by creating an account on GitHub.

i know

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im making something in c too

@Ryozuki I see php dying off soon enough, nodejs is getting really strong for small projects , python already has great marketshare for larger codebases, scala has great marketshare for reliable code

what about java