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Between 2019-07-18 00:00:00Z and 2019-07-19 00:00:00Z

what?

02:05

he doesnt even play with that name anymore

02:06

also you are the one who finished for him

yesn't

09:01

nexus it's just russian business

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gZ2LMzG2QeLwpFdh07CwAk63eYZiO6YcqtoUbcTXPpA/edit?usp=sharing

Evgesha's DUMMY POSSIBLE DATABASE

Лист1 Novice Server,INFO ,For copying Map Name,Dummy Possibility,Difficulty,I'm Evgesha and I'm tired to fail my playthrough with dummy because in some moment I figure out that map is not possible to finish with dummy or it contains too tricky nearly-impossible parts to ...

11:51

if you have some info (especially for Brutal maps 'cause I don't play them now) - write me, show the tricky parts if needed and I'll add the map to database

@ScReeNy

fucking boring as usual

ragequitter

u

11:57

@Дядя Женя Hookthrough 2 or 3 can be dummy but it has an hookfly and it's a bit tricky

11:57

idk what i the one but ima look when I can

11:58

Moderate

justatest

I speedrunned hookthrough 3 with dummy

11:58

no hookflys there

well I suppose it's the 2nd one then

11:59

yeah I remember the 3

need to check the second then

11:59

to give comment or difficulty rating

the 1 is literally marked "dummy friendly" at the spawn :V

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12:00

Lol there is space on second

12:00

but NO SPACE ON THIRD

12:00

FUUUUUUU

: o

12:00

pls Evgesha can u start doing ur dummy possible database for dummy maps justatest

justatest

12:01

or for solo too justatest

justatest

I see already 2 hookflys (edited)

oh

12:01

there r 2 hookflies ._.

12:01

never notice that wtf

12:01

even if i dided it wsith dummy

12:02

and I suppose every Novices should be possible with dummy

12:02

but still difficulty test

12:02

and need sum hookfly skillz maybe

not sure about that

well

12:03

idk

some novices may be tricky

12:03

or impossible

12:03

3 players for example

do Stronghold justatest

justatest

12:04

skillz

12:04

3p

is it

12:04

"hookflies" or "hookflys"

well

12:04

you wanna hook flies or hookfly justatest

justatest

12:04

idk

12:05

wait

12:05

when you edit it I can see ._.

there should be a rule

12:05

for "y" at the end of the word

12:05

so I suppose its flies

do ur database but for fng instead

12:05

feelsamazingman

u

u

is it possible to aimbot Database justatest

justatest

in a way yes

I will make it also for race, solo and dummy later

i have a sortof database of botted shots

12:06

hax

or at least, shots made by players whose names tell me that theyre confirmed bots

if the bot-shot means that you shoot right at the edge of tile with shotgun for example (edited)

12:07

then my friend just did it in second try without any cheats

eh it saves data on every shot

12:08

but i have scripts that look or patterns in this data to try to guess which players do botlike actions more often than should be possible by luck or skill alone

12:08

look for*

12:08

oh and this is useless for ddrace lol

why

12:08

oh

12:08

you mean fng

the types of bots i try to detect are not the same as people would use

12:09

ye

12:09

lol

then its easy to detect, yes

not always easy, but definitely easier than the kinds of things people would use on ddnet

yes

12:10

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12:10

Should it be marked as dummy possible? lol

12:10

I know its possible

12:10

but its fucking impossible

oh

12:10

dat gay map

12:10

I couldn't even do it with other players

12:10

cuz of we are bad

you can jump from the edge, hold "A" on dummy

12:11

then switch to dummy, jump over freeze, hold "D" now

12:11

and go

12:11

12:13

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12:13

pffff

12:13

fuck it

yes

12:13

hard map

its jump + edge

12:13

too synchronized

well @Дядя Женя ure right its easy to detect, hard part is usually avoiding false positives

will be challenge for crazy guys

12:14

to finish maps I marked as impossible with dummy

yes

12:14

for me

12:14

cuz I'm tard

@noby the bots should instantly shot directly in other players, while normal players will aim not so accurate + usully not in one frame

12:15

or even always

that is actually one thing that several of my checks are based on, the delay between aiming and shooting

12:16

its good idea

I mean aim-delay

but, people with high mouse sens will make lower-delay shots always so u have to account for this

not the shoot + aim, but thats also good

I tried some edge bot detection a couple months back

ooh

12:16

@Дядя Женя yeah looking for unnaturally fast snapping/acceleration of aim is good

12:16

@Learath2 howd it go :o

turns out people are so good at edges that edge bots don't do anything different

you're moving your mouse not in one frame

u mean edge hook? or edge jump lol

the bot does

yea

12:17

and the result of this is unnatural acceleration

I think I could get a better result if I observe many edges from one person

maybe ur sample already had a bot thonkery

thonkery

lol

12:17

xD

u should save data about the behavior of the player(s) during all hooks

but it's not too easy to do with real time deteciton, and I don't have teehistorian parsing in place

and then compare the known bot data to the known legit-player data

and @Дядя Женя the part is ez with dummy lol (edited)

this is a good place to start i think

12:18

i mean all hooks on other tees

@Lexin which one

ur screen

second or first

12:18

second is tricky, but ok

easy for @Lexin is usually not too easy for humans

your list should be maps that are easy with dummy

12:19

because otherwise basically 90% maps are dummy possible

@Lexin can you join to me and show it?)))

@Learath2 did u work with / use data from any known bot users while making it

what even is the 2nd screen

12:19

too much zoom, cant see a part

@noby I used 2 bots from other people and one I coded myself

ooh

12:19

cool

@jao Im playing TW and writing this data when I finish the map, 'cause Im playing with dummy 95% of time

vs edges I do myself and edges I watched people do on servers

@jao the thing is - I already finished a lot of maps which are dummy possible. The only ones left are tricky or impossible

@Дядя Женя im afraid i dont play with dummy =/ (edited)

i wonder if after enough normal/non edge hooks it wouldjust be detected as a hookbot

I did learn the most common way to get on an edge is to drop below wall and use the dj

@Дядя Женя Binary justatest

justatest

@Lexin we're talking about difficulty of finishing it with dummy, not the real player

i dont think theres any possible way to detect a bot from only one or two hooks unless its the shittiest bot ever

12:21

but if u take a sample of many hooks from a player then ye

12:21

like using a rotating list sorta thing and checking that certain patterns dont show up too often

@Дядя Женя i got that, i just dont havee fun playing with dummy, so i wont show you. thats what i meant

@noby are you saying that bots also randomize the angle a bit to make it harder to detect?

some do yes

@noby I was trying a very simple "ML" algorithm

may be

either to make it harder to detect, or to hook through corners or w/e

12:22

by scanning the whole tee to see where the collision allows for a successful hook

@Learath2 lol, drop below wall and dj? for normal edgehooks? that seems harder

its harder to make bot with randomness

@Lexin not edgehooks lol

because the goal is to finally make this edge

@Learath2 lol im trying something kinda similar for the antibot lately, its less ml and more just random generation thats kinda guided and learns from itself

I was trying to detect edgebots that jump onto the edge

and only for giving me a starting point from which to make the thing that runs on the server

12:23

ahhh i thought u meant hookbot

Oh

12:23

I thought about edgehooks also lol (edited)

@noby a generative adversarial network?

12:23

what kinda edgehooks you mean?

@Learath2 ah nice, would it be able to detect macros aswell?

@Lexin well most bots are using macros for that

I don't think its possible to detect edge-jump bots

no, its literaly the most simple thing u can imagine being called ml-like, it just generates a set of random checks with random thresholds of random factors, then runs each one, keeps the best ones and throws out the rest, adds some modifications of the best ones to the set, and then keeps iterating till it can find something that strongly identifies only the players marked as bots

12:25

most of my systems arent based on anything like this

because there almost no differance between good-written bot and human behaviour while edge-jumping

its just a test ive been working with lately

would'nt you be able to recognice a pattern of the frames within bots?

Ok, I'll go check some maps now)

if its used multiple times

thats the idea but the trick is to find which patterns, across which types of data

12:26

and then the limits to set

@jao Can we pin a message somewhere so people could report me possibility of the maps?

u

its gonna be tooooooo long for me filling database solo

@Дядя Женя yes that's what I arrived at when looking at single instances

[7:24 AM] Evgesha: I don't think its possible to detect edge-jump bots maybe but i think its possible to make a system that flags players as possible edgejump bots, especially if theyre not coded to look very humanlike

however, if you look at many edge jumps a pattern could emerge if the bot is too consistent

ye

12:27

there are very few single instances of any sort that u could look at and immediately claim bot

now my own implementation of it would be terribly hard to detect

but patterns are stronger proof

as I employed noise while coding it

yes, if its bad bots - its kinda easy to detect suspects

12:28

if its good - no way

Edge jumps lol

12:28

Better start something against edge bots

hookbot detect

12:28

would be nice for ddnet

@<BµmM> I'm mostly interested in the ones that can jump through freeze

the edgejumps are not too hard

12:28

so its not the real problem

@Дядя Женя as the size of the freeze increases humans get less consistent

@Learath2 can urs jump thru freeze :o

only if botter just jumps around on a full speed

most people can't do 3 block ones consistently

most? almost everyone lol

make it 4 blocks and it's usually a dice roll for most

12:29

@noby yeah but that one isn't noised

Cuz most people dont know how to do it safe

@Learath2 pro lol

it's really hard to predict the jump accurately if I employ noise

i cant even do no-freeze edge jumps without bot feelsbadman

feelsbadman

noob

ye

12:30

xdd

maybe a more predictable seeded noise

12:31

@BumBumeq can you do 3 block ones consistently?

Hm 7/10 maybe

1

@<BµmM>*

12:31

I can usually do 3/10

bumm set his bot to 70% today

3 block edgehook is easy

edge jump

wats hard to edgehook is edgehook while having speed

idk what you people mean by edgehooks

hooking thru a corner?

Ye

but even then its all muscle memory

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n3Z4e06AGeA

teeworlds corner hooking bot test

12:32

is this edge hook

I think I have the speed one nailed on my desktop at home and only on linux

?

and edgehook is pixel perfect

12:32

how can u detect it

@noby oh those are very hard

u would have many false positives if nto all

ye i cant do it even a single time

12:33

with other client

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xdd

12:33

is that edgehook?

@noby I think you could easily detect that for naive bots though

waaa

or do people mean something else

naive bots usually directly aim perfectly

@noby thats noit edgehook

and they don't use the hookline

the must bee in the corner

12:33

tee

edgehook is pixel perfect

its not

Bob

*

@Learath2 i think ud detect it by how it snaps while hooking

12:33

not by how the hook actualy contacts

12:34

i mean snaps before

12:34

and hm

Use my antibotprotection

ye its not pixel perfect if tee is near wall

but in the video i think it is pixel perfect

12:34

and a center-aiming bot wouldnt work

@Дядя Женя I think the one @noby posted is pixel perfect, at that distance it should be slightly above one delta epsilon of angle

12:34

e.g. there is only one angle that works

but still ppl use what onby posted in some maps

12:35

u cant detect it since u can make the bot aim at it and then u just sit still

actually its even less than that.. sometimes in dbg mode the angle doesnt change

12:35

between the incorrect and correct hook

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the tee is close to corner

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we got it no need to spam

move the dummy further away

we already said that

and why is my video not edgehook

12:36

what is edgehook then

12:36

lol

like his image

ohh

12:36

huh ok

@noby the dbg mode doesnt really show enogh digits

yes it just shows an integer from -400 to 1200

12:36

not precise enough

12:37

also the distance at which it normalizes the mouse position to to represent the angle makes a difference

12:37

if its not high enough distance it wont be precise enough nad it will miss

What about something against laser bot?

i have that

12:37

on my servers lol

I heard people using it

Laser bot?

i guess he means self-laser bot

When u unfreeze yourself

12:38

Ye

but ud detect it the same way u would detect any wallshotbot

Not that easy to code those properly

unfortunately u cant detect this with only one shot

12:39

u need to take a sample of several of their shots

First of all its already pretty accurate

and see if certain patterns occur too often in that sample

12:39

otherwise its too easy for people to false+

12:39

by luck or wierd mouse settings

I know of one metric you can track for that

12:41

Its the angle between the shot and the velocity vector

@<BµmM> i think it would be hard to specifically detect laser-unfreeze bot, but, there are several things that pretty much any laserbot will do that u can try to detect and should catch the self-laser too

12:41

yeah

12:41

like what learath said

But all of this isnt very efficient in real time

surprisingly it is

So i think youd better spend your time postprocessing teehistorian files

i wouldve thought so too

12:46

but even the most inefficient-seeming things, like checking cursor position vs nearby tee positions on every tick for every tee (lol) are <1% of the cpu time of the server as determined by the different profiling thingies ive tried

12:46

and i imagine ddnet wouldnt implement anything nearly as hacky as that

12:47

but im only talking about simple/mostly aim-based bots, for thigns like replay yeah postprocessing is probably the only option

Well a couple factors would prevent us on ddnet

12:49

First our servers are already on the weaker side

so is mine + im only comparing the cpu usage to the usage of the rest of the server processes

12:49

not the machine it runs on

Second, we run a lot of servers on one machine, so it'd add up

plus im sure the ddnet ppls would find a much smarter way to do it than i did lol

Third, small things are doable, but keeping track of complex things also taxes the memory

yeah, this kindof strategy is good when ur storing only a smallish amount of the players' most recent inputs for detecting simple bots like aim

I feel like running a GER2 this month

Hello, can somebody help me I have some issues with my raspberry pi 3b

Trying to get tw on it?

nope

13:15

is offtopic a problem in general chat?

#off-topic lol

oh there is an offtopic section

13:15

sry

well I suggest you try #developer, more people would be familiar with a pi

well thanks

@jao so what about pinning somewhere my database to let people report maps to me?

people don't check pinned messages

yes

13:22

I mean somewhere, may be in #announcements

13:23

not pin, just let people know about this base

k write up the message I'll post it

oh

@Дядя Женя#1165 stared making **"Dummy Possible Database"** where you can check if the map is possible with dummy and how hard is it to finish with dummy instead of real teammate.

__He needs your help__
since it's too hard and takes a lot of time to fill the database alone - it's highly appreciated that you report the possibility of any map which is still not in database to Evgesha, so he can finish more quickly

Link to the database: <https://vk.cc/9BLAL3>

13:34

May contain english mistakes @jao

13:34

non-shorted link: <https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1gZ2LMzG2QeLwpFdh07CwAk63eYZiO6YcqtoUbcTXPpA/edit?usp=sharing>

._.

all 2p maps

well some things are very hard to do with dummy

very hard but possible :D

@Дядя Женя changed the wording a bit

yes, I see, thanks (edited)

13:48

my english sucks

good guy jao

Is it ok that the maps are all in one list or should I make list for each server?

@Дядя Женя lol, i think noone notices/cares about any small english mistakes ud make more than u urself

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what onbgy?

Лист stands for "list"

i didnt get ur secondhald of the message

paste all finishes from this in https://ddnet.tw/players/-40-1-41-Ty-1096-kaN-1095-uk/

people think others care more about their grammar than they really do

hahahahha

as a native english speaker i dont notice or care as long as i can understand

"ud make more than u urself"

@Дядя Женя i think all kobra maps are dummyable easy

xd

ye like

13:50

lol

uy should add them

bad wording

learn english onbgy

NO U

TyшkaNчuk finished "Fried" with dummy in top5

I marked this map as 10/10 difficulty

@Дядя Женя search for maps with Lanux and brain as a team

i mean whoever is typing is going to pay the most attention to the way their own message sound

he was a pro dummy player

whereas i guess most others will just read it and mentally tune out small english mistakes

@Ryozuki I can't just add map and mark it green "dummy possible"

13:51

if it contais tricky parts I should mark it

doesnt mean the maps are well suited for the average dummy player tho @Ryozuki

thats the problem

@ChillerDragon still it means they are dummyable

13:52

https://ddnet.tw/players/brain/

i guess all maps are dummyable

good reference

(1)TyшkaNчuk have the best dummy-control I've ever seen (edited)

13:52

so he is not the point

@noby still doesnt hurt to make it sound better

Lmao there will be so many maps that are technically possible with dummy but not really cuz no one can finish them except for lanux cuz he is dummy legend

how many years hav u been playing

@ezy Its marked Orange

WhenULostDildoInUrAss

as hard, but possible technically

Orange

@jao ye ik lol i just pointed it out because i often see people who speak prety much completely fine english worrying too much over small things lol

also there is difficulty ratings

Imo my english is insane

xD

Lmk what u think @noby

so you can find on which rating you feel comfortable

ye ur english is fine ezy but ur an ath nob feelsbadman

feelsbadman

Dylon (DoT) tought me

@deen can you somehow link the dummyable list to the ranked page so we cann see which maps are ezfinish?

Read about him

who lol

Js3p.com

virus

@Im 'corneum The list is too short yet

when its ready ofc

@noby bro im just saying what aoe said GWfroggerHyperXD

GWfroggerHyperXD

WhenULostDildoInUrAss

Spazz

snail

patrick

ezy

lmao

13:55

aoe is cokehead

13:55

af

Just like u

hey man

13:55

i havent done coke in like

U guys would get along very nice

6 months

GWfroggerHyperXD

GWfroggerHyperXD

GWfroggerHyperXD

GWfroggerHyperXD

GWfroggerHyperXD

GWfroggerHyperXD

GWfroggerHyperXD

NO U

Freakin cokehead

not

13:55

i stopped

13:55

lmao

Stop weed

no

When i visit u in us

13:56

U let me smoke weed

u better bring me drugs

13:56

or im not showing up

But u pay

13:56

Lmao

ok no

13:56

not happenig

13:56

lol

kobra, glassbox, gold mine, island rush, just2easy, light grey, pados, stepbystep, xolla, epix, killa3, koule series, multimap, xyz_ddrace2

Im visiting u at ur house lmao

and much more

gl finding it

blmap_royalV3

1

1

block sucks

13:57

do openfng5_Beat

1

No race on there

oh

13:57

xxxd

@Im 'corneum we'll integrate it in the regular ddnet db and put it in the website in some way, sure

nice

nice

@Дядя Женя I like what you changed on the database

14:18

what u did *

thx

14:21

:3

and now I understand why tetris ain't possible dummy :c

14:24

cuz 3p

If you raced with dummy - you could send me demos, so I can check it real quick and rate difficulty

@Дядя Женя you should make the difficulty raing from 1-3 not 0-10

14:38

like easy, possible and impossible

14:39

0-10 is way too broad, also to rate it

its harder to rate

14:39

but its needed

pretty sure 0-10 is harder to rate

14:40

like what’s the difference between 6 and 7

Dummy possible / impossible is pretty clear, but "Tricky" ones require comment and rating

14:40

so you can understand if you can do it

if you do it from 0-10 the ratings are heavily influenced by your personal perceived hardness

Easy possible impossible

Im thinking about making the rules of rating table

WhenPooPooWontLeaveAss

tricky ones u put as 2

14:41

easy ones as 1

14:41

and impossible as 3

What's easy

14:41

and what's tricky

14:41

Its defferent for each player

anything that’s not basic

14:42

as in hammerfly and normal drags

ofc rating is subjective

14:42

but

14:42

its relative to each other

0-10 will have a lot more subjectivity

If you finish map with rating "6" you can say that you can finish any tricky map under 6

because u can’t even explain what’s different between eg 6 and 7

14:43

it’s just how you personally perceive it

yes

14:43

Should I make rules for rating?

14:44

like: "No skills" - 0 Hammer hit: 1 etc

14:44

thought about that

change it to easy possible and impossible

14:44

0-10 doesn’t make sense

why not

I just told u

"Castle" is possible (tricky), such as "Smile"

if you have only 3 steps you eliminate a lot subjectivity

MeWhenISeeGdin

but smile contains only one tricky non-faily dragpart

so it’s the same tricky

and Castle require lot more dummy controlling skills

same how u rate map difficulty after the hardest part

Nono failyness is the map itsself dont rate that in

14:46

Just check if the parts are doable or tricky or undoable

jup

No need for 25635 steps

@ezy failness of parts where you need dummy-control skills is count

no player will know what a 6 or 7 means

14:46

not even you will know

because with real player you can make the part easy, or save him

14:47

and with dummy you can not, or its hard

No its faily with and without dummy

for example faily gores

The failyness rating is the map itsself

you can unfreeze real player

14:47

and you both go

14:47

but you cant do it with dummy

If the map is faily u get more points for it

just told: Faily Gores 1. Real player falls -Unfreeze him -Go 2. Dummy falls -Drag dummy 'till the end

Just make a simple rating and not one that takes 10 minutes to understand

@Дядя Женя don’t make it too complicated, people only want to know if a map is easy with dummy or not

maybe you're right about that

Yes just count in gores as tricky then

14:49

Fuck it

also consider that we'll prolly be displaying this on ddnet.tw somehow, it can't be too complex

Who cares

14:49

Complex is good wird

14:49

Word

14:49

Rate maps for dummy from 1 to 2

14:49

"complex with dummy"

14:50

"not complex with dummy"

complex with dummy lmao

snail

that doesn’t make sense

14:50

easy tricky impossible

Tricky with dummy

14:50

Impossible maps arent even in the db

I don’t think it needs more than that

?XD

Maybe I could make one more level

"tricky with dummy" "simple dummy parts"

so it goes: 1. Easy 2. Tricky 3. Near-Impossible 4. Impossible

no one wants to know if a map is near impossible

but its not "Near-Impossible"

Why Impossible tho if Impossible maps arent even displayed??????

count that towards impossible

help me find the right word for it

I know what you mean but that’s irrelevant

14:51

literally no one will care about technically possible dummy maps

no no

14:52

if the map is only technically possible it counts as Impossible

why not jao

14:52

i think the "technically possible but really hard" challenge attracts a fair share of ppl

yes

1

@noby because this list is targeted at noobs who have no friends

Just categorize the maps in the db as "easy with dummy" and "hard with dummy"

@noby +

there are no people who grind impossible dummy maps besides this russian guy who finished them already

The "Near Impossible" which means "Real Hard with dummy" is attractive challenge

14:53

for some players

for who

jao racist cyka

Ur mom is attractive

besides the russian guy who finished them

TyшkaNчuk

Spazz

))

14:53

Okay

14:53

lets make 3

2

i would like that too

But

14:54

but

14:54

but...

I would rather think people will try to finish impossible maps

Enter the "Fried" map psl

14:55

pls

14:55

rn

rather than near impossible

14:55

to say they finished an impossible one

Impossible means just impossible

14:55

but may be

14:55

)

well technically every map is possible with dummy

no

nearly every map

yes

14:56

Join any server pls

14:56

I flw

14:56

need to show you smth and ask

you can post a screen

Image attachment

14:57

How do you rate this part

Easy

banhammer

2

tricky

GWfroggerHyperXD

hookfly with dummy is hard

yes

14:58

ok

14:58

I may leave a comment

14:58

To warn that its very hard

14:58

and leave it as tricky

it’s not very hard

its hard because of freeze

15:00

hard to start

but not very hard

15:01

for you personally maybe but not in general (edited)

@avoca idk u but ban ezy f3

yikes

1

pff

Where she say ban me Sseth

Sseth

15:03

justatest

justatest

justatest

15:03

Fuckin miiep

mad

1

15:04

kek2

kek

kek4

kek3

he ract with banhammer

banhammer

on ur msg

15:08

so f3 lol

WhenULostDildoInUrAss

15:10

@avoca ur a he

15:10

Spazz

oh is it a she

15:12

w/e

15:12

stil ban ezy

Are u assuming @avocas gender?

i was yes

Its a zie

its a they

@Ryozuki

15:13

No a zie

ze

justatest

15:14

MMMMMMYUMMYUMMY

@jao May we create a channel where players can submit infos about dummy possibility? So it will be muuuuuch easier?

15:20

pls pls pls

15:21

:3

this channel are ur dms

bcHypercat

$ban Gwendal

what gwendal said

hookfly with dummy is hard af, wtf jao

there’s harder stuff with dummy

15:53

and u can cheat it with ath troll

troll

1

ban

hookfly straight up with no walls

15:53

i rarely play with dummy and to hookfly is the worst

15:54

i know there are some tricks to it, like absuing deepfly or copy move.. tho rating it tricky should be fine

ye maybe I’m not right

or impossible dont know, ask dummy players

even I did hookfly with dummy lol

Im a dummy player

15:56

I pass hookflies

15:56

but not this one

15:56

anyway its tricky

15:57

btw stop debate and go test some maps!))

the only one I’m not sure about is starting hammerfly from hammerhit

15:57

for me it’s easy but in general idk

depends on the map

yes

if its once and rest is easy with dummy, wouldnt rly consider it tricky

15:57

or if its just in case of fail

I was able to do it 100% 2 years ago

1 high freeze and enough space

now its about 40% success rate for me

would that be easy or tricky

easy

if it’s 40% for you I would say tricky

its tricky

this list should be for noobs

with comment

15:58

if its faily

u can’t make comments

if there is hookables upside - easy

15:59

wtf

you want to put a free-fly hookfly as tricky - same as a hammerfly from hammerhit with 1 tile freeze

15:59

no pls

having comments is too complex to display

@jao Novice is for noobs

its basic dummy skill to do it

k fine

if its for noobs, the hookfly is impossible

15:59

im pretty sure i would need hours for that or some kind of trick

I mean the easy rating should be for noobs

15:59

not the ratings in general

No

16:00

Easy doesnt mean its easy map lol

easy with dummy

if it contains hf from hh

16:00

its not easy map

16:00

so noobs cant do it

Hookfly with dummy easy with ath

and fail

16:00

same with dummy

WhenULostDildoInUrAss

yes jao, if u have a easy -brutal- map its still brutal and not for noobs

@ezy ban

yes for @Lexin

16:00

just submitted two brutals

16:01

one is 4 star

16:01

it counts as tricky

16:01

but even for moderate players the part mentioned in comments (why its tricky) will be impossible

16:01

even with real player

16:02

The difficulty is DEFFERANCE between playing with Real player and Dummy

@jao DEFERANCE, KEEP THAT IN MIND

HF from HH is harder with dummy then with real player for example

DEFFERENCE*

xD

*DIFERENCE

DEFFERANCE**

difference

banhammer

3

16:03

you know what I mean)

seems like you know what you’re doing

16:04

thanks btw

16:04

lmk when you’re done with all 1.7k maps

lol

cya

hahah

@NeXus omg i forgot about ur task sorry xd

16:04

what is the answer

16:04

NOT U

16:04

@nexusrf

it’s more like 1k maps without dummy race and solo I guess xd

@jao started to look through novice maps, now I see what you mean

16:07

How do you think...

16:07

...

16:07

Hmm

16:07

Real hard

16:08

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16:08

Thats very easy dummy drag on novice

16:08

BUT

16:08

if we imagine that noob (novice player) plays this with dummy

16:08

he may not do that with dummy

its -easy- wtf

no no, listen what im trying to say @Lexin

it’s easy even for noobs I think

its fast switch and holding hook on dummy

16:09

very easy

16:09

as the part itself

16:09

but may be hard to fast switch for noobs?

not much harder than with a real player for noobs xd

Ok, I know what I should do

16:11

maybe will write some info about technics that counts as tricky

16:12

Do you want to find impossible novice map as much as I do?

When i was bob i failed parts like that cuz i fucked up keeping the hook

cl_dummy_resetonswitch 1 0 will be helpful btw

toggle?

16:13

Never used it a lot

16:13

always have time to just type it in console

16:16

btw does any1 know why sometimes when "+toggle cl_dummy_hammer 1 0" dummy switches on gun and fucks up the part?

if u swap weapons through scroll on ur mouse it will bug

16:23

if u swap weapons by different key for every weapon it wont bug

Spazz

fast switch? what are you talking about?

@Дядя Женя fixed in update

you can literally just hang ur dummy there and do the rest with the main

16:24

why should this be tricky

@Дядя Женя if you kill your dummy you have to wait some time until the bug magically disapeears xd (edited)

Who knows how to make formulas in excel?

16:35

I need a function that counts amount of lines form X1 to X2 which are not empty

learn urself

its [=COUNTA(A3:A500)]

r u real Дядя Женя from novosib giblii or fake?

16:48

also i don't get why u need fast switch on that shitty novice part

Stop talk Quote

16:49

Weve heard enough

16:49

Spazz

don't tell me wat to do monkaS

monkaS

WhenULostDildoInUrAss

yo nice avatar

WhenULostDildoInUrAss

Ok, it's pretty more fucked up formula

16:52

=CONCAT(CONCAT("Novice Server ("; TEXT(COUNTA(A3:A500); "####")); "/123)")

How bad is this for performance to raise "Default Length" value of replay?

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20:01

I've just lost the replay I need to save because the length was not enough

Stronhold 3 shitmap justatest

justatest

monkaS

literally becomes faily at the mid

the whole map is faily GWchadThonkery

GWchadThonkery

yesn't

it gets from easy to hard

not rly

21:01

this weird drag faily part

@Дядя Женя since the replay is cut and saved in a thread, you can set the length to whatever you want

is the hardest part of the map

21:01

and it's kind of at beginning

@Дядя Женя what is the " bind X "exec fire_toggle_player.txt " ?

execute "filename"

21:13

on button [X] pressed

erm

21:13

o

21:13

so it's like a macro

21:13

but one time

21:13

ehm

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22:33

22:34

Also "Tiji" map

22:34

that's just tricky then

that's so tricky lol

i dont get why u do it like that

22:39

u can do it super ez with dummy

send the video?)

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lol

xddd

[SI] Selen removed from impossible

22:47

I just did it

22:48

was not that hard

you seem pretty good with dummy

200iq @<BµmM>

xd

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23:46

easy / tricky?

for a mod5 player it should be rather easy than tricky I think

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