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Between 2019-07-18 00:00:00Z and 2019-07-19 00:00:00Z

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Is there a way to get the inputs a player is giving? Like can I do actions if the player clicks mouse3, or only if something like fire is bound to it?

On the server or on the client?

Server

05:40

I assume thats not working :D

We dont send the raw input data

Okay, thanks

Since I did an update in visual studio 2017 I cannot pick the build mode anymore, it is fixed to x64-release

Oh nice now i remember that sdl warning on mac @Learath2 cool that you fixed that. Make sure to also fix it in upstream :p

There is no upstream on ddnet (edited)

It's pretty obvious that ChillerDragon means teeworlds

yes

I intentionally used the word upstream :p bois we move to 0.7 soon tm

damn i've just learned something xd

10:32

you can do SomeObject.SomeClass = new (class UrClass() { ... } )(); (edited)

10:32

(in js)

i guess its like functions so it makes sense xd

well js doesn't really have classes

10:47

also, another mac keyboard bites the dust, these really don't last long, will get my 4th keyboard replacement when I get back to italy

lol external one or in laptop?

10:50

i never broke a mac keyboard and i abused my hardware intensivley

10:51

I use the big new bluetooth keyboard for wathcing movies. Its fully covered in beer and dorito dip and works fine.

10:51

On my mac book i spilled water in mass and all worked fine for years.

lmao

Oh and i really like to smash the keys hard

"in mass" xd

a big glass once a month

for years

but why

accidents

10:52

i dirnk a lot

2

once a month?

10:52

i am jiggeling with this glass in front of the screen while playing ddrace every 2 minutes

lol

I switched to bottels now

chillerdrinkin

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Juggeling*

yikes

@ChillerDragon in laptop

hm probably one of the brand new ones

11:16

with 1 mm keys

11:17

didnt hear any good baut them

it's a well known problem with the last generation of garbage butterfly keys

yy

11:17

thats why i bought an older mpodel

11:17

also bcs i want a haptic esc key

older models suffer from planned obsolescence

not really

I did something clever for my esc key

my 2015 macbook runs like a beast

Tilde-backtick does escape without any modifiers, with shift it's backtick and with alt it's tilde

11:19

it's nearly the same on my 60% mechanical keyboard so I'm very used to it already

so u need 2 keys?

to make a backtick or a tilde yeah i need a modifier

ah but not for esc

11:19

ok hm

for esc it's just the key itself

11:19

helps while vim'ing

interesting

11:19

yy

11:19

main concern is vim

11:19

xd

very hard to vim without an esc key

i think esc is slowing down my vim anywys because its so hard to reach

@ChillerDragon moving ctrl to capslock helps a lot with vim efficacy

didnt we had this conversation already

11:20

with external piano foot thingys

lol a foot pedal as a key

yy

sounds like an interesting idea

good for vim

11:21

imagine if u train that how fast u can get

I'm trying to find a decent light theme for my vscode

lol

11:21

psycho

really hard to read a dark theme outside in the sun

lol outside

11:22

i have no light in my room troll

troll

11:22

why would u go outside

to see the sky

no power at home

11:22

just 3rd world things

i have sky at home

11:22

and netflix

xdddd

troll

11:23

oh that sounds like a struggle @Learath2

11:23

so there is free electricity in ur local park? xd

a cafe has electricity

11:25

one problem is that if I want to go to the wc I need to leave my laptop unattended

11:25

or unplug it and pack up, either option is undesirable

yy i remember that

11:26

i let my cam recoring tho

I guess I could ask the waiter to keep an eye on it, but still don't like being away from it

unlocked

especially since this country is full of poor people

but recording troll

troll

11:27

i guess stealing was less a problem for me bcs i was in a hotel in amsterdam less theft there

11:27

you have this find my mac thing tho right?

yeah

11:27

I'd still rather not chase down after it

if the theft doesnt cover it in tinfoil ur save

turn on filevault

already encrypted

encrypted but not filevalut?

11:28

lol

11:28

it's filevault

ah k

shittiest piece of software ever conceived

ay

11:28

its easy to use

even when the cpu is idle it doesn't use it's full potential

why shitty

took 48 damn hours to encrypt 250gbs

ye lol

ah ye its kinda slow

ok that part is shitty

11:29

but once its done?

it works fine as expected, modern cpus are beasts at AES

thats why i dont encrypt my whole machine

11:29

only a few folders

11:30

idk about 99% iof my data being in the wrong hands

with cryptsetup on linux they were actually smart about it and don't bother encrypting the empty drive...

11:30

with a mac, even if you encrypt while installing it, it takes a decade because it actually installs first then encrypts...

11:31

okay, lets see if it gets stolen in the 10 seconds i'm away

are u in cafe rn?

11:32

no worries we keep an eye on it

thanks for keeping an eye on it chiller, they didn't nick it

what programming laguage did u use for the new masters @Learath2 ?

I wrote the prototype in python

ok its u

but it'll prolly end up in rust

we are save

save from what

somneone stealing ur laptop and acting as u

11:37

troll

lol

11:37

most turkish people don't speak much english at all

oh ur not at home

11:38

makes sense u said that somehow

how can I be at a cafe and at home?

11:38

I'm not a cat

ah true i also sometimes visist turkey to drink mi coffe

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #1836 Investigate performance issues

Many people report performance issues going from DDNet11 to DDNet12, we should do some profiling to see what's influencing it.

@jxsl13#5272 did some profiling for his mods latley he might have some xp now

11:43

rip he is not here

11:43

nobo

also @deen, how do you get ddnet to run smoothly on your laptop, it's so choppy and cpu intensive on mine

11:43

it's choppy even though I get 100-110 fps

it runs smooth even on my smallest laptop

okay, I'll now work on adding a feature that I wanted for so long

only on debian tho windows is eating too much ressources xd

it never ran well on any of my laptops tbh

oh well no

11:45

do you have a 4k laptop?

11:45

that is always eating ressources

hmm are retina displays 4k?

idk why they put 4k screens in every tiny laptop nowerdays

11:45

i think near 4k

I don't like 4k displays at all, a lot of scaling and performance issues

yy

11:46

in a 2 inch laptop useless af anyways

1440p has been a decent upgrade though

smartphones easily have 1080p

11:47

I think there are even 4k ones out there

11:47

if you scale it up, it kinda makes sense to get 4k laptop displays I guess

ikr

11:47

but no

11:47

xd

but smartphones run OSs that are optimized for displaying these things

4k only makes sense if u have hardware that can power is smooth

highdpi and high res displays are just a PITA to configure on windows and linux

the future tho. fullhd looks so pixelated to me :c

one smart thing they did with macOS is that they use a hybrid approach to rendering windows, it's very much vectoral

isnt the new mac stuff 8k ?

11:49

xd

mac "dm" is resolution and dpi agnostic

11:50

Is there an empty side in the HUD?

no

11:51

health killfeed chat score

the edges are empty though right?

11:51

I'm thinking of adding a feature that i've been thinking of for quite some time

11:51

a team overlay

right edge could have some space

11:52

chat takes up the whole left edge

do we have small icons for the weapons btw?

wdym?

11:53

different images?

11:53

i think there are only thoise from game.png

11:53

but u can make em small^^

yeah I can render them small and single color I guess

11:54

@trml you should know, do we send the client the weapons the character has?

yes, the available weapons are sent

in the extended object or part of vanilla?

in the extended object, I think its WEAPON_HAMMER, etc

12:00

in the flags

12:01

the current weapon isn't always sent though (when in freeze for example)

are you thinking of something like this @Learath2 ? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/1674

Add poc for weapon status in scoreboard (#1673) by ChillerDragon ...

Just a sample draft... I don't think the scoreboard is a good place for this. I would prefer showing a weapon above the tee on change in freeze. Or as suggested by @fokkonaut put it to the ...

not exactly, it'll show all tees on your team and their "status"

imo the scoreboard is waay to polluted already

12:06

xd

whether they have weapons, whether they are frozen

i wanted to make a stealth scoreboard sicne ages

yeah it won't be on the scoreboard

also the whole hud

12:06

doesnt make it better xd

12:07

i really like the scoreboard of minecraft

well you can disable most of the hud nowadays

yes but people dont do it

@Learath2 nothing special, but I've just always kept testing it on my shitty platforms and reporting the bugs

and then i have to watch it in their alan faded yt videos

12:08

they even turn on key presses to extra annoy me

@deen I'm interested in how you set up the throttling and the refresh rate stuff

12:08

we just have way too many settings there

no

justatest

1

I feel the main loop isn't sleeping at all, it literally burns up my poor laptop

better to have many settings with good defaults where ppl can change them

1

12:09

than magic numbers

2

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cl_refresh_rate 480; cl_refresh_rate_inactive 120; gfx_refresh_rate 170; gfx_vsync 1 (50 Hz screen)

12:11

maybe your laptop throttles with cl_refresh_rate 0?

12:12

my laptop, while old, can stay at a consistent frequency all day

12:14

also annoys me about my work laptop, the thinner they get the louder and more spontaneous the fan noise

I really would love a thicker laptop with longer battery life and better thermals

12:15

maybe I should renew my thinkpad

on the other hand it's really nice not to carry around such a heavy laptop

I think it depends on the situation. Take the small laptop for lill action in public transport. And take a bugge rone for long time actions in cafe.

I think my next laptop will def be a 13" not a 15

X1 carbon has a 14" screen but fits into traditional 13" cases ;)

deen is nimda fixed?

12:41

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@deen have one?

12:52

I was thinking of it, but not sure whether to get that or a thinkpad anniversary edition

12:52

Also does it have a matte screen option, glossy screens drive me wild

Hey guys i have some issues with my raspberry 3 b someone wants to help? It doesn´t boot any image i tried two different SD cards

any err msg?

wym by it doesn't boot?

13:17

is it a panic?

It just does nothing, the red LED is on

nothing on screen?

and the green one does nothing

13:18

nothing on screen aswell

does green ever blink at all?

I tried flashing with Etcher and PiBaker on OSX and rufus on windows

13:19

The green one never blinked

perhaps you have too little power

13:19

did it boot at all?

nothing happens

I had to purchase a new plug for the raspberry

oh yea i bought some battery thing for my raspberry and it also didnt boot because it needs too much power :c

5V .3 ampere

13:20

i will try it on my secondary powerbrick

.3 sounds enough

well i bought it for the pi

13:22

i think there might be an issue with my image or the pi is broken

13:23

i´ve had multiple raspberry´s and some had the same issue i never fixed it

13:23

and i spend hours

13:23

it hurts

it can't really be an issue with the image

13:24

the green led blinks when the pi is reading from the sd card

maybe wrong file format?

13:24

somehow

13:24

cuz of macintosh

if it's never reading the card it can't ever know the file format is wrong

hm

13:25

so it´s probably a hardware issue

get the new one

13:26

or come to munich and i sell u mine for good price

or the card is defect, but you said you tried two

13:27

did you try changing the plug?

or a different image

yes i tried it on my mobile phones power brick

13:27

5v 1.8A max

13:28

maybe switching the cable

13:28

one second

13:30

switching cables didn´t fix it

official recommendation is 2.5A+

rly?

13:30

oh wtf

https://www.raspberrypi.org/documentation/hardware/raspberrypi/power/README.md

Power Supply - Raspberry Pi Documentation

This section contains documentation with technical information about the Raspberry Pi hardware, including official add-ons and the Pi itself.

but wait, my quickcharge brick has 3 ampere

but raspi might not support the quickcharge protocol, I think there needs to be a negotiation for the higher current draw

okay so it might be the powerbrick

13:36

thanks alot

13:38

i will give you an update when i´ve tested another powersupply

Apparently I sleep from 5-6 :D

git log --author="dennis@felsin9.de" --date=iso | perl -nalE 'if (/^Date:\s+[\d-]{10}\s(\d{2})/) { say $1+0 }' | sort | uniq -c|perl -MList::Util=max -nalE '$h{$F[1]} = $F[0]; }{ $m = max values %h; foreach (0..23) { $h{$_} = 0 if not exists $h{$_} } foreach (sort {$a <=> $b } keys %h) { say sprintf "%02d - %4d %s", $_, $h{$_}, "*"x ($h{$_} / $m * 50); }'

https://ivan.bessarabov.com/blog/famous-programmers-work-time (edited)

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how to apply this on multiple repos o.O

you'd have to aggregate them together

i find it weird that people always use perl to extend the shell stuff

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probably cuz i never tried perl

(cd repo1 && git log ... && cd ../repo2 && git log ...) | perl ...

13:55

perl was started to replace shell scripts so this is the intended use

oh interesting

I rebase too much for this to be accurate

At work it's very useful to see what business hours everyone in the team has

never really used perl, I should give it a try

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13:58

on ddnet

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xd

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sometimes i code til 1 am

14:00

but i guess i dont commit

14:00

better tho

14:00

xd

ui code is so convoluted in tw

14:02

needs a lot of cleanup

good luck

@Ryozuki how is your ui revamp going

https://github.com/Ryozuki/ddnet/commits/feature_refactor_ui

DDraceNetwork, a mod of Teeworlds. Contribute to Ryozuki/ddnet development by creating an account on GitHub.

14:04

abandoned since long

what does MapScreen do btw?

where

In IGraphics

14:07

oh, it remaps the coordinate system I guess

ye screen to world

great, rendertee is rendering the entire skin

okay, this is more code then I'm willing to tinker with outside,

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oh apparently I'm rendering the tee, it's just way too small

and now my tees are stretched

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nice map

zooz

why can't life be easy?

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I literally have no idea why my tees are stretched like that

just copy paste from scoreboard code

oh ur name is not registered

14:36

ima claim ur name hehe

@jao apparently not too easy

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this is exactly how everything else renders tees, but mine are stretched

how are you going to fit 512 tees in there @Learath2 ?

o rip

this is a part of the code I'm very unfamiliar with

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oh, I forgot to scale with the aspect ratio

14:38

More like it

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why so much up

14:39

im sure there is way less space for kill messagess and the space down there is hardly used

because I'm not a UX designer

mimimi

I might put it below actually

i dont wanan destroy ur dreams but wtf is this xd

14:40

teams can be up to the size of 64 and we are planning on more than 64 slots

14:40

do you really want to pollute the view 24/7 with something scoreboard similar

@Learath2 what information is going to be displayed for each team member?

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@timakro I'm thinking their weapons and most importantly whether they are frozen

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@ChillerDragon when is the last time you played with 64 players?

the last time i played actually @Learath2

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maybe only show the closest 5 tees

@ChillerDragon this is why people don't code for ddnet, whenever someone wants to do sth different greybeards come up and cry useless

i dont say its useless

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i am concered that it might be harming

I'll make it whether you like it or not, I'll PR it, if people like it we merge it, if people don't I'll keep it for myself

the clean ui

I atleast need it

it is usefull for sure

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what do you think about only showing the closest 5 tees?

you can literally clear out the ui with cl_hud 0

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also the reason I never finished up accounts, a dozen of people who keep crying about anything new

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also we aren't really planning for more then 64 players, we just entertained the thought, it's already enough of a mess with 64 players

yes new stuff is tricky

it's not supposed to be tricky, look at the guy who added the ingame timer, it was literally a 100x300 box that doesn't even show up 24/7

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do you think he'll make a pr ever again?

idk baut him but i dont do much other things than getting rejected all day and that didnt stop me yet

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gz180

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woops

14:55

wrong chat

nice pw

xd

14:55

actually wrong blender usage

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should be rz and no enter xd

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yo @Learath2 no hate i love u and i appreacte that you do something. But saying everything is nice because it is usefull and was work is not the way to go imo

Now I don't feel like coding at all, thanks, I'll just order a drink and watch something

or maybe I'll close some issues, I'm sure someone will have a problem with that one aswell

ignore the negative vibes and only try to improve or rethink or even justify your stuff when you get critizied

how dare you fix the votes that have been broken since ddrace

._.

15:00

stap make me feel bad

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jk ur ofc allowed to make me feel bad

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im sorri tho

I agree with Learath2 here, we're too strict on merging PRs, on new ideas, etc.

ah no pls dont

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the client is polluted wy too much already

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we have bugs

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and we keep adding features instead

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sure we all do this in our free time and it is supposed to be fun. But we destroy the fun of all players by this behavior.

worry not, I'm not making anything new until this improves

since I'm probably the main problem for that, and I don't really have time for reviewing PRs and ideas quick and early, perhaps I should just stay away from reviewing PRs

no ur good reviwer

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bois :c

no, I'm not. see yesterday's chat

xxd

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u were perfect

@heinrich5991 no, you make sure we get well coded features

but the problem is: "and I don't really have time for reviewing PRs and ideas quick and early, perhaps I should just stay away from reviewing PRs"

the problem is not with the review speed, it's with people being way too averse to anything new

the problem is that I haven't really given you feedback at all on http masters

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e.g.

@heinrich5991 it's a decently sized pr, that has horrible quality

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and it's a major change, ofc it'll take time

not everything new is good tho

@jao doesn't mean we shouldn't entertain new ideas

yea,. but due to missing feedback early on, you (rightfully) got demotivated due the expectation of my review

also doesn’t mean rejecting new stuff is bad generally

so there's definitely a problem

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@jao it's not about that. we're talking about a very very useful feature like http masters here

@heinrich5991 it'd have been much better if we'd work on the architecture of such a major change together, before I started implementing anything

I think he’s talking about new stuff in general

discussion didnt start due to the masters more the team feature

@jao take a look at pull requests from new contributors, they usually always new things

except mine are always just typos xd

and there is always a ridiculous amount of pushback, and then they just never pull request again

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like, where is necropotame now?

lol there’s also people who did good prs that are gone now

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I don’t think that’s an argument

well give me an example

the guy who made automapper rework

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don’t even remember the name

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but it was a good feature

you mean bojidar-ng? he is still around

when did he make his last pr

he is like jupeyy, they have their things and they come through when needed

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besides what he made was not a new feature, but a lot of improvements

live automapper is a new feature imo

anyways, don't need to worry about it anymore, I'm not adding anything new any time soon

@Learath2 when doing something new u need to push it till the end

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heinrich rejected telegun without knowing how it works

@Ryozuki very hard to do when people leech away at what little motivation you have

u gotta be strong then

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atleast for me it's very hard to commit to something knowing people will chew you out for even thinking about it

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I was literally making it for myself and was going to pr it if it turned out decent

u shouldnt show early stage dev then

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if u fear that

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often ppl cant see the bigger picture

I was just about to ask a question about the graphics api, then I figured it out

monkaS

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im talking like i know something

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@Learath2 u could take ideas from hmh

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pr

did anyone even say your thing is bad

Q: Can vanilla clients attempt to connect to full servers?

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if the serverinfo says it's full that is

u mean if it will try even if its full

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or if it doesnt try?

yeah, for reserved slots

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I want to know whether I need to fake Full-1

idk i dont see vanilla code since 2016

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why u care for vanilla tho

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nobody uses vanilla on ddent anyway

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we should just show a big warning to them to get ddnet

lol

ye we are saving them

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they are masochists if they play with vanilla client

that’s not a helpful answer

ye i guess

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xd

we do send a couple server messages if you have vanilla iirc

yea a broadcast

eh, I'll take a look at the old ddrace code, it was pretty anal about vanilla compatibility

@heinrich5991 u here?

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@heinrich5991 can you fix nimda

15:19

i cant talk on irc

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #1837 Don't advertise the reserved slots. Fix #1808

I think this is also fine for vanilla, but I can't get the vanilla client to work on mac to test it.

15:22

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1829 Delay when writing /lock

@Learath2 willl the client show 64/63?

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i guess ye

I made it show 64/64 if full

why

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if its reserved

I could make it 64/63 but idk how it'll react at all

it should be 64/63

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imho

hmm, if someone takes the reserved slot, then someone leaves, what happens?

if its full its full

15:24

63/63

I guess our implementation of reserved slots is wrong

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as in we don't actually reserve the slots

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but we allow people to join full servers with a password

it works

15:25

and its rarely used anyway

if someone takes a reserved slot, the server isn't technically full anymore

15:25

well atleast it shouldn't be as the name implies

@Learath2 u think it would be easy to add spectator slots? they wouldnt have a char entity

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it shouldnt be a problem i think

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server just should need to handle sending them info

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it could be good for speccing in tourns or when its full

well we do have spec slots

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they are also implemented the same way

??

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u cant join a full sv

oh you mean like that, yeah maybe we could

make spec slots "external"

it's some work though, as a lot of arrays depend on MAX_CLIENTS

y

15:27

also pause and spec should be handled in a special way

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i guess its to much work

and it's new, very dangerous territory

PUT allows multipart right

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?

well yes

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but it might not always be the best practice

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e.g. if the PUT generates more then one resource

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also it might be an edge case in some shitty http libraries, but I don't like supporting shitty libs

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #1838 Force spawn order of teams. Fix #1828

This has an unfortunate(?) consequence of causing tees that hit kill tiles and fall out of map respawn instantly. If this is undesirable the fix would be a little more complex, maybe implementing a delay to the spawn in CPlayer or reordering the entity list to force strong on the tee (by swapping with one of their teammates (this might have some undesirable effects aswell, not sure though)).

15:45

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1812 Client crash on dummy connect

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #1839 Set m_Race. Fix #1806

@heinrich5991 apparently you forgot to set CGameInfo::m_Race

what is the shortest run map?

16:00

one i can play with a trackpad preferably

run_antibuguse

thanks

run_g6

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run_blue

(dont play it)

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(run_antibuguse hardest map)

@archimede67 I know...

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made my own

xd

@Learath2 i like your team feature

@Learath2 what about replacing statboard on ddrace gametypes with ur thing

@heinrich5991 here?

it’s not like u need to see it all the time

@jao I'll think about it if I ever feel like taking a look at it again

monkaS

1

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@heinrich5991 NETMSGTYPE_SV_RECORD is definitely handled wrong, the whole race timer is a bit weird tbh

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anyways, the format ddnet sends it's NETMSGTYPE_SV_RECORD is it's best times, not DDRaceTime and DDRaceTick

Embedded image

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thank you microsoft

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17:56

getting better and better

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bro how should i work with this crap xd

U

18:45

broken from everywgere

omg sombody actually uses replays

Me too

21:01

lol

❤

i wanted today then i realized i had it deactivated :c

what are replays?

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #1840 Add showall client command

@Theowyn cl_replays 1, save_replay, cl_replay_length

23:25

When using save_replay it will save the last seconds (amount in cl_replay_length)

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cl_replays need to be

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1

oh since when is that a thing

12.5

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current

ah ty

np

why client command fokko

why client command for showothers

23:29

for not typing it everytime, correct (edited)

oO

what's the difference between showothers and showall actually?

showothers shows players in other teams and showall sends all tees to the client, no matter how far they are away (for zooming out for example)

I always get confused with all these options

:D

23:32

Btw, nice to see you active again

wouldn't really call it active but less inactive then before :D

At least I see some messages from you regulary now

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #1841 Restart required message when changing Show console

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