DDraceNetwork - developer

I ran into a problem while trying to compile ddnet client

18:38

It's about something in library links in c++

18:38

but I don't know exactly which one

18:39

18:39

what's wrong, what should I do?

18:40

@DDNet can u help me, my dear?

18:40

DDnet CAN back plz

oof down

removed*

ye it’s shutdown

"removed" lol wth

it wasn’t really used it seems

@Ryozuki

@Ryozuki lol easy decision for me

19:42

can I suggest that ddnet stops hosting everything other than ddrace?

why

solves our problems, solves their problems

more vague please

their zcatch kills off our zcatch community

/mute jxsl13

some ppl hate the centralization of mods around their servers, thus they are getting ddoses

21:16

ddosed

21:17

I guess their involvement lead to bad developments in the zcatch community, as they released that 10 player limit zcatch that was by far not considering what zcatch needed, but more considering what their ranking system lacked

21:19

as an easy fix to the problem of easy wins the limit was most likely increased from 5 to 10, leading to zcatch servers not getting enough players to play a normal round, leading to decline of players

diversity is good too

decentralization

21:41

is diversity

21:42

as in 0.5.1 where everyone hosted literally their own home server, ppl had more fun and did not play the same stuff 24/7 as they do nowadays

ok so now I cant do good race times on ddnet rip xd

21:42

rip canadia server

i dont rlly agree with that suggestion

22:02

ddnet hosts fng servers in many locations and its not killing off the fng community

y

Speaking for zcatch mainly, but all kinds opinions are interesting to read

22:16

so keep them coming

generelly i think, aslong as no server forces u to play on it, it doesn't matter who hosts the server( if you got lags u use a different server etc.)

problem is ppl don't use a different.

yeah but why? bcs it works good enough for them

also I do not like the thought of ppl hosting randomly servers, especially mods that they do not care about at all. it's just because they can, not because they actively want to support it, maybe because there is demand, tho I like the idea of hosting servers that are not really hosted to get ppl to know those mods and maybe build a community of their own and start hosting thos emods themselves.

22:31

it's ok to host in regions where the player base is not that dense as in europe

well noby is a good example of that this doesn't mean they support these ppl noby cares, makes shit for his servers and ppl like it

22:32

only bcs u play a mod doesnt mean u care more about hosting a good server

22:32

if ddnet has free power on their servers, and ppl want to play fng, why shouldn't they host it

"because they do not care shit"

and?

22:33

if u care so much, make ur own improved version of zcatch

22:33

if its good people will go there

22:33

problem fixed

not rly

trust me yes

community still dies

this seems like you're advocating to not share the server so ddnet won't host the improved version

22:34

doesn't sound like an all-win to me

the improved version is open source, lol

(@Ryozuki)

or what do you mean with "to not share the server

he said that to me

ah, don't quite understand, tho

well ddnet might not win with it, but the hoster will for sure

22:36

yeah it wont be open source

22:36

but lifei s hard

everybody loses if it's not open-source

22:36

so maybe ddnet shouldn't host things if the outcome of this is that things become closed source

so how would u make it so u can gain popularity vs ddnet?

22:36

being open source

22:36

when ddnet can use ur version too

ask ddnet kindly to not host the server, like jxsl13 just did?

i dont think its a solution

22:37

he cares about hosters being bad

I think I'm speaking for those ppl who actually just state their opinion by ddosing the servers of ddnet

a random dude

22:37

can host zcatch

22:37

without caring

well, listening to ddosers doesn't sound too good. I'm out

@jxsl13 are u justifying the people that ddos ddnet?

22:37

if so u lost my respect

I'm not saying that I ddos, I'm saying that I state what those ppl try to state with their ddosing

im out too

that's seemingly a problem of ddnet

well teeworlds uses mit license, go closed source make a better server, ppl will come

22:39

very simple

now we are acting like children

22:39

don't wanan hear what's happening

22:39

didn't see, didn't happen

it's your choice, but i don't see the reason ddnet is killing things, if you the mod dev is actually the last instance controlling if ddnet even is able to host ur server

22:40

as i said, it's like with noby, he is also kinda closed source, ppl like it, ppl come

22:42

the only question left is, why is it so important to you, that ppl use ur host? bcs u pay for it? or bcs of attention?

my point is: I want kindly ask ddnet to stop hosting savanders mod, as it kills off our community, as the mod has a player limit of 10 players, which causes ppl to loose interest in the mod, because you cannot get enough players to play a round of zcatch.

22:47

there is one server that is at most full and ppl do not want to play on any other server or at leasttry to play there, because it is nearly impossible to get 10 players to play on that seconds server

do you realize that people are free to choose on what server they play? if another server would be better (subjectively for many people), they would just play there (edited)

they want to play in that onse server, that's full and not join another (even ddnet) server to start filling that second server. as those ppl try to enter the first server, but cannot, they leave the mod and play any other mod there may be or they like

22:49

one*

yes but if there was another better server, they would start to play there

did you not understand?

22:50

ddnet hosts literally 10 same zcatch serversd

22:50

why are those 10 servers not full

22:51

even if there are more than enough players to fill them, ppl try to join that one server

22:51

where players already play

22:51

as they are most likely afraid that the second server tehy would start to fill would not to fill to that 10 player limit

ye but if another server would really be better for the majority, people would start to play there and it would shift towards it

that's the same argument

why don't u change that player limit then?

22:52

did ddnet decline that request?

I do not host ddnet servers, how can I?

did u ask them?

I am doing right now

u should be a bit more clear about ur questions, then ppl would understand them

it's not about having a better mod, it's about stopping my community die

I only read "shutdown everything that's not ddrace" (edited)

maybe other communies experience the same problems

22:53

who knows

22:54

I speak mainly for zcatch and I would not mind if they hosted all of the zcatch servers, that do not have that 10 player limit

it doesn't really make sense tho, how can a supposedly worse server make a community die if there is a better alternative

22:54

why do you guys not start to play there

ask them

22:54

and it's not about being better

22:55

it's about the tendency that's happening that most ppl, I guess, do not see as they do not play zcatch for like 8 years

idk, you seem to know the reason why people play on ddnet and not there

on 0.5.1/2 ppl played zcatch for hours

22:56

on multiple servers

same with instagib

22:56

did ddnet kill instagib too?

22:56

not really related

now as I looked at my statistics, unique names kind of played like 30 minutes

i think fng split it a bit, i was zcatch laser player too, but most ppl swapped to fng

fng existed way beyong zcatch

and many ppl just stopped playing

maybe not that many servers after openfng was released

22:57

as it's a clonse of the original fng

22:57

conle

22:57

clone

well times change things, maybe in 2 years the ppl dont like fng anymore and play zcatch again

22:58

imo gores got more popular in the last 2 years too

not with those tendencies

I'm not sure if shutting the ddnet one down would help much if it's the most played server

maybe change the mod?

if ppl are getting really interested in zcatch again, they will fill more servers ^^

or player limit needed to end a round?

well how about u ask the rest of the community if they want higher player limits?

ye why not

23:00

what settings have to be changed

they won't as the only ppl playing zcatch are those that play it for a very long time, new players have a hard time getting started on zcatch

23:00

lower limits

isn't it currently, that the round just doesnt end, before enough players are on the server?

yeah

23:01

last_standing_players I guess was the setting

maybe implement it , that rounds with too few players, like 6-10 only end the round without reward

23:02

the limit is mostly that u can't farm points, isnt it?

but on the other hand savander's ranking system will be kind of bypassed because it would not change, how many player syou need to end a round, easy peasy 5 or hard 15

23:02

you cna farm point, but those have no real purpose, as it's mostly indicating, how long you played the game

23:03

1 win would be between 5 killed enemies and 15 killed enemies, what's a big flaw

sv_last_standing_players is on 10 atm

23:03

what should I change it to

5 maybe

23:03

was the default all along

23:04

but ranking will become flawed (edited)

10 is the default

in savander's modified version

23:04

now in default zcatch

imo you should really poll such things with other zcatch players before changing it

as it was supposed to be all along

maybe some like it

maybe test and see how the player count changes?

well an idea too yes

it would be a win for the community if at leats two servers would get filled at the same time

23:06

I think that would be a proper tendency to work with

ok changed to 5

on all of them :D?

i stopped playing zcatch cause the grenade is just gay

1

23:07

someone throws a grenade 4 tiles away from me and I die

zcatch laser was best

i throw a grenade 2 tiles away from someone and they continue running (edited)

well, I cannot really change that tendency, if ppl don't start playing laser, nobody will play it and if nobody makes the first step, nobody else will do that step and maybe revive laser again

on the ger ones

23:08

are there other countries with zcatch servers

would be best if all of them had that setting set, as ddnet servers are the ones mostly frequented

23:10

some consensus should be created and that maybe foreign players don't have a false image of the mod.. dunno

i mean probably