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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #1415 Random crash

This time I wanted to connect my dummy. See logs below. ``` Process: DDNet [9623] Path: /Applications/DDNet.app/Contents/MacOS/DDNet Identifier: org.DDNetClient.app Version: 11.6 Code Type: X86-64 (Native) Parent Process: ??? [1] Responsible: DDNet [9623] User ID: 501 Date/Time: 2018-12-27 02:17:53.261 +0100 OS Version: Mac OS X 10.14.1 (18B75) Report Versi...

Is there a livestream of the conference somewhere? (edited)

[quakenet] <heinrich5991> @NeXus https://events.ccc.de/congress/2018/wiki/index.php/Static:Streams https://events.ccc.de/congress/2018/wiki/Congress_Everywhere

Static:Streams

Congress Everywhere

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lol, is vpn protection on DDNet servers?

05:15

cuz i can join with a vpn

05:15

and i mostly got my lags gone

mh i don't think you understand how vpns work, yeah a vpn can in certain case get you a better ping but there is no such thing as "vpn protection" on servers i mean you can use a vpn on a server but it'll be totally unrelated to your own vpn

not meant for saying that vpn made my internet better, that was not the case, but its good to see that ddnet supports selfprotection, otherwise KoG is doubt

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ddnet doesn't "support" vpn that's what i mean

05:31

there is no such thing as supporting vpns or not

05:31

it's like a proxy

with support, i mean actually not taking care of that

yeah it doesn't

should ddnet servers do the same tho?

a vpn is just a bridge for your internet connection

like if in any case ddnet database will be hacked

from ddnet's point of view the fact that you use a vpn or not doesn't change anything

first safety

05:32

anything could happen

05:33

leaks

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anything

that's usually a bad idea for the servers themself to use a vpn, just because it adds a hop

also it would not work that way

a vpn isn't really "safer" from that point of vue

but better than nothing

05:33

duh

i mean the traffic is encrypted from your computer to your vpn provider, but from your vpn provider to ddnet's server it's all not encrypted

which means, that with the fact, that i cant be harmed, but the connection could?

it just means that the nodes between your computer and your vpn provider can't see what data is being transmitted

05:35

your computer can, any node between your vpn provider and ddnet's server can too

so literally there is no case for doing a vpn bridge with ddnet servers

05:36

while there is no way for leaks?

no, that would requires a vpn server on ddnet's servers

im just worried and thinking to the worst

most people use vpns to evade bans, that’s what he means

i mean sniffing traffic on huge network nodes is quite tricky, and for something like a game there's no valuable data you can get

@jao but it wont change real ip adress isnt it

it does

what would be more abusive

it connects you with a different ip

then how is come to the fact, that vpn can be detected?

05:39

and not make it like, when you are changing ip with vpn, it actually detects it?

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._.

I guess they are collected somewhere

like, okay looking up for every vpn thats possible and gain their ips to actually detect smth

05:40

but that would be ultra gay

vpns can be detected because usually the vpn servers ( the end of the bridge ) are known everyone can get there IPs

and not counts for custom services?

05:41

like an ai that can remember

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nah bullshit

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kek

that's huge effort for something that could be tricked

why you need an ai for comparing ips on a list lol

idk

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xd

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but weird that how KoG come to VPN blocking

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for whatever reason

what’s weird about it

the reason

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why

they can just ban every IP known to be a vpn server

05:43

at the OS level not in game

they have an account system on kog

to there should be no ip changer either to detect the ip change?

disallowing vpns helps them enforce it

wait bullshit eng

what are u talking about xd

vpn ure welcome

who

u

so they have their own client, i mean if it's closed source there are plenty of way to detect who is who, but with an opensource application it's difficult 'cause anyone can read how you do it

vpns dont change ur ip they just route ur traffic through proxy servers

05:44

the proxy servers address ranges can be looked up online or with an api

they don’t have their own client

but the clients arent connected into some sort of application?

05:45

like ip changer in the client

yeah i don't know i've never looked into kog

2 different thing combined

didn’t you say you use vpn yourself

we should do the same account system as KoG has, so we wont get fake ranks, be ourselfs and have responsibility for our races

05:47

idk it was just an idea, but for real, how many times we just brought up this topic

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and KoG made it but were not?

why don’t you make it

teach me programming that fucking teeworlds shit

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ty

05:48

im giving speech, not programming

why

WhY

stop troll pls

you don’t know what you’re talking about

05:49

why giving speeches

to be honest, i should've started programming long ago, but i found it too hard

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and im still onto making some game development

05:49

wtf

i don't think programming it is the issue, in itself it's pretty simple but there are a ton of problems like "how you transfer everything correctly" and ideological things like is that the right way to do it, and so on

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no that’s easy

there are many ways that could go wrong

you don’t transfer at all

losing all of our ranks and points

it only works with a clean cut

05:50

delete everything and start from 0

making security for even get assec to our profile

yeah i'm pretty sure most people would love to keep their rank

do people even want accounts to be mandatory

05:50

i would guess no

i don't feel they're necessary

dont speak as the whole tw community

05:51

its all about the reason for racing actually

accounts have a lot advantages but it means loosing all points

people will lose their fate of racing, cuz they will know, that there will be no rewards or even purpose for that

05:52

now "racing for fun" became "racing for points"

05:52

literally

so why were you asking why there is no account system on ddnet

im just curious that why it wouldnt come in the first place.

well you seem to know the answer

if this is a race system with prize in the end

05:53

what is the purpose of getting it

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for flexing?

05:54

cmon there must be a better idea for showing up why you have collected all of your points during the years

@noby why you are questioning it

05:54

im listening to you if you have better ideas

better than what

this topic

05:55

how to improve the meaning of racing

ban bots

as we already do

kindof

like detecting it too

again, kindof

thats gonna be a long day to find out what exactly needs for a better experience

1. no lag/ddos 2. no bots/cheaters 3. no blockers

05:56

isnt that about it

okay, the ddos issue can be just blocked by getting good servers

it cant

then decrypting the ips of the servers so nobody would even find the way of ddosing it?

it doesnt matter how good the server is if the firewall and the application arent good too

05:57

idk if thats posible

idk either

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or even the debuging itself should be encrypted with different code