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Between 2018-11-16 00:00:00Z and 2018-11-17 00:00:00Z
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I consider mods that rather argue than to come to the srv and do their job as bad mods (edited)
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Im pretty sure theres an ingame rule in /rules that say no spamming
06:12
And yes this problem can be fixed with everyone muting the player but everyone knows there are some dumbasses that prolly dont even know to mute and also a mod can literally mute the guy for everyone at once
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@ChillerDragon u said mods need time to join. That is the saddest shit ive heard all day
06:16
Why would u even be a mod if u cannot take care of an issue fast
06:20
"Id like to apply for mod So when someone needs modhelp i dont come" "Welcome to the ddnet team"
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When ryozuki was mod
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He took 3 seconds to join the srv
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3 other seconds to fix the problem
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The only person who does that now
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Is jao
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Most other mods ive never even seen come once (edited)
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is spam really an issue ? doesn't servers already have spam protection implemented ?
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2 easy to bypass
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Then it might be better to fix/reconfigure/tweak that thing or add a little mute icon near each nicks on the scoreboard, it's pretty obvious that you can't have an unpaid volonter that'll come and fix that for you every time someone does it.
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Someone asking for a mod to come on the srv happens like once per day on average
06:41
Also being a mod means u are that volunteer that is willing to help the people that have issues with rulebreakers
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Im not sure wether there is do not spam in /rules but if there is then it is forbidden to spam and it is mods duty to help. Doesnt even matter if the problem can be fixed in another way
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This is afterall ddnet and not ddnet++ where everything is solved without mutes bans kicks...
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I mean they sure volunteer to do so, but only when they're available/want to do so. It's not an issue about duty or anything, let's say i'm a mod, i wanna help people but if i'm watching a movie with my gf and i see someone asking for me to do something i won't do it, unless i'm paid to do so.
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Volunteering implies that you won't be available 7/7 any time
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Mate ddnet has like 20 mods and 1 issue per day
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And i'm sure if one of those mod is playing on the server where the issue is they'll act to fix it
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Yes if that is the case
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Would be nice to have log time of Mods
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But if its not
06:50
Then a lot of times no one will come
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Or sometimes someone will come but its the same person
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=ddnet has like 1-2 good mods
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Rest useless
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I still think it's understandable, but if that's really annoying then as i said it might be better to tweak the spam protection 😃
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The most recent issue was about spam but that doesnt mean ever issue is about spamming
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Most of the time its about people blocking i Think
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I don't know the mods and so on, but i'm sure they have a life/family too and they don't spend their free sitting in from of their computer waiting for a possible issue ^^
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And theres no way to make an antiblockerprotection
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disagree with that
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lol
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every issue has a solution 😉
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that theres no way to make any sort of automtic blocking detection
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Its harder to make one for ddnet than fng
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yeah probably
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but its possible i think
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They dont even have a botter protection
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They arent gonna make a blockerprotection lol
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GWfroggerHyperXD
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lul good point
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I mean you're free to try implementing something like that
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i already have implemented basic anti blocking on my server
06:57
that checks for tees that hook their mates' kills away from them too often
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-16 06:58:13Z
alomst banned me once with that
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it doesnt ban
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-16 06:58:19Z
feelsbadman
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it just freezes ur hook for like 1sec
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-16 06:58:34Z
oh shit
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only the bot detection is autoban
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nice, yeah you're not obliged to ban you can spec or anything
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-16 06:58:51Z
troll 🤖
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but pls dont block 😆
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-16 06:59:08Z
block = ban
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yes if i see someone who keeps blocking on purpose i do generally tempban
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-16 06:59:25Z
feelsamazingman
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Oh yea someone said smth bout a mod log like 10 mins ago: pretty sure a bunch of them would have like 1 thing
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and i think having a log of all mod actions would be a good thing
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Or chillerdragon already said he doesnt even have 1 (edited)
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No
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Because people would complain
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Over some mods doing nothing
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And u cant name people for sucking
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In doing their job
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In ddnet
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That's the kind of feature that's more than easy to do you can just parse server logs and voila
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And ddnet themselves doesnt give a fuck about it i think
07:02
I got classes now
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ChillerDragon 2018-11-16 08:21:53Z
@ezy yes @Ryozuki was a good mod and i am still sad he lost his rank
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@ezy "[quote:ezy]I consider mods that rather argue than to come to the srv and do their job as bad mods(bearbeitet) Im pretty sure theres an ingame rule in /rules that say no spamming And yes this problem can be fixed with everyone muting the player but everyone knows there are some dumbasses that prolly dont even know to mute and also a mod can literally mute the guy for everyone at once" I won't touch the /rules topic here or i loose my mod rank before i even got it. And I just wanted to let you know that i am not a mod that never helps ingame and rather argues on discord. I am not owning hardware that runs teeworlds until december so i didn't launch tw since i got this mod rank. I just wanted to mention that if no mod is online and the problem is spamming people can take care of their self. (edited)
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I did join tw while watching a movie to mod, lucly i got 2 displays
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tee_thinking toptri
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U always watch Movies
08:35
Was prolly even a weeb movie
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And theres difference to not being able to act and help and to argue than to being able to act but instead arguing
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The 2nd is still a bad mod imo
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But since u fall under the first i dunno
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First is i guess neutral
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ChillerDragon 2018-11-16 08:44:25Z
what i am confused? xd
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So you suggest to be quiet and do nothing if Ryo asks for help and i know a solutuion for the problem
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@deleted-role
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SERVER DDOS
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-_-
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DDNET
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OMFG
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ChillerDragon 2018-11-16 08:49:04Z
...
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DDOS WHYYYY?
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ChillerDragon 2018-11-16 08:49:24Z
i guess the helpers dont know
08:49
nor they can help
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@snail pls delete these ranks
09:28
2018-11-03 17:49: Jumper (00:40) 2018-11-03 17:46: Jumper (00:46) 2018-11-03 17:34: Jumper (01:28) 2018-11-03 17:16: Jumper (00:50) 2018-10-10 05:09: run_the_cure (05:18)
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delete and nameban him? GWchadThonkery
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-16 10:54:55Z
"problem solved"
10:54
troll 🤖
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A mod log isnt such a bad idea, i already said it months ago in #moderator GWqlabsFeelsGoodMan
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would help keep track of people that get banned often + prevent abuse
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@ChillerDragon no i do not consider u as a bad mod for not acting since u are unable to act
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@snail nameban would be a good idea
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So no one can finish anymore
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@ReT cant help with the ddosers man
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what can helpers do?
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what rights do they have
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?
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as in
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commands
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ingame
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rcon
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mute vote_mute vote_no
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@ezy xD
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is @noby the only Non-DDR Moderator here?
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Why do you have a problem with mods trying to talk to people first? Escalating the situation usually leads to more of a mess, especially dealing with certain vpn-happy people.
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I used to have server logs I would check frequently on other servers a long time ago..
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why dont helper have
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vote_yes
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but vote_no
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GWfroggerHyperXD
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@Learath2 thats why a lot of people just block vpns
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you can read this for info about helpers
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is there a forum post
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why there are no
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map release squad anymore
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that post is in #📬submit-maps
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why was map release squad created if testers worked fine?
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or do they not?
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or did ddnet just want to specialize further
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read this for info about mrs
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and this
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how did it come to the motivation loss?
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xd
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just all of them didnt want to anymore?
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testing takes a lot effort while being unrewarding
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a lot of ranks have this
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@jao u could make it somewhat rewarding
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somehow
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mods, current testers, helpers
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mods loose motivation too eventually
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@jao i didnt 😙
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@Ryozuki
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coding can be rewarding, it's a hobby for a lot people
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@Neben i dont know, we can come up with a idea together
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in the past u used to get a rank
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and some people like that
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but
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ye i thought of that too
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i would go further
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something more rewarding than that
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i guess even more rewarding since u get to see ur work in ddnet
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I know Ravie is already rewarded because he likes testing and making maps
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yeah there is people who rly likes to do their thing
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but its not bad to try to get more ppl
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that may not be that motivated
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A new mrs with reward system at every tested maps
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did all mrs quit?
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or are some testers now
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or what happened
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Looks a good idea but it's more complicated than it looks imo
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u could also make testing leaderboards, specially now with the bot u can record statistics @jao
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@jao making a command to report bugs or smth idk
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Because we can't really verify someone tested a map
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ye its hard
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I won't make something similar to mrs again
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whatt was mrs?
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map rls squad
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thats not a rewarding thing for testers
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5 ddnet points per tested map
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Xd
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the thing is assigning points for testing is hard
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cuz its all abstract
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We don't have a lot of testers
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we used to have lot of ppl applying as tester on forum
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lot deserted
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but people came too
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so there was a flow of testers xd
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it's hard to see if someone is rly motivated for it if he doesn't even rly know himself before trying
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mrs was a good way for that
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@jao Maybe we could just make a subjective public system vote for maps ?
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voting is not testing
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testing is fixing bugs
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and finding them
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Y by vote i mean with criterias like he did with mrs
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but i dont think the problem is that
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a map can be rly good and have bugs
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I won't make something similar to mrs again
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the problem is testing, a.k.a finding bugs and improving the maps
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more ppl doing that
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@jao mrs is a lot of things
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I won't make something that relies on multiple people
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if the people want the map or not is a different topic, maps still need to be tested
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make a deep learning ai to test maps and problem solved (edited)
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troll
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also usually most crap maps dont make it thru to official ddnet srvs anyway
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@Ryozuki ask thgt to code one. maybe hell code u a calculator instead
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i would filter mappers that made less than 5 maps to the trashcan and maybe look at their map at 6
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5 unreleased maps*
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lol
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I don't know how the map testing process work but from what i see on the forum there's like 10 people testing maps, why wouldn't everyone just be able to test and give their opinion ?
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@ezy yeah but most of them get rejeected
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a new mapper could also be skillful and make a great map at his second try
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so if ud just instantly decline those 5 maps u could just map 5 crap maps and theyd never be tested anyway
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and then make ur first real map
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so easy to bypass
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xd
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@ezy Ryozuki is talking about smth more based on experience
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Even if you make 5 craps
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deleting a bad map takes a minute, how is that relevant?
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You won't make them one by one in one day
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no, if ur an unexperienced mapper that has legit never mapped before but u dont want to go thru an experience phase u could just make 5 crap maps on purpose and upload them while u are mapping ur real map
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Ofc he wouldn't take someone like this
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it would be obvious af
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no u could make ddmax maps
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that would look real
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needs to ne someone active on the community too
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be*
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and since they wont get tested anyway since they will be declined
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no, a mapper does not need to be active at all
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being active has nothing to do with good mapping skills
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Someone not active on the community is not someone rly trustable
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Since we don't rly know him
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why would u need to trust the person that is making a map
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no trust is needed
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in a mapper
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@Neben u are plain wrong
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We're talking about maybe future testers
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he wont sue u for copyright or some shit
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99% people here would trust the God mapper SickCunt
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and he is inactive
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so @jao would you take SickCunt as tester if he asks ?
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he is the best mapper
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Doesn't change the fact that he might be inactive in testing
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he never tested
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xD
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being a good mapper doesn't necessarily mean one is a good tester (edited)
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was just an example
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i didnt even post my first 10 maps anywhere
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@Ryozuki Me 2
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lady saavik was afk for long time in testing, but im sure she would be trusted, and she is
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@Im 'corneum neither did i
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20*
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xD
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you know how many bugs were on sickcunts maps? xD
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sickcunt is not a tester xD
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@Lady Saavik were you tester when i will be back got released?
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I don't know this map
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"i will be back "¿
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2014-11-13 15:39
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#deleted-channel
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i remember even maggi wondered how the map could be rlsd like that back in that time
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code a calculator for us
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@jao When ddmax++
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I played a map last time, was surprised such a crap got rlsed
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suck my ass
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people would hate me for ddmax+
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what is ddmax++
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I don't think the other admins would like it D:
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@ezy Way to move bad maps to trash
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dont play them
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if ud ever sniff around submitted maps
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ud know what trash is lol
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xd
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@jao dont
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ddmax
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ddnet did this for ddmax maps already
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is the biggest shit and points filler
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Somehow a little
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ddmax+ has nothing to do with actual ddmax
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@Ryozuki We don't even talked about ddmax xd
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xd
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I guess we keep bad maps just bcs some old players like them and already a lot of finished them
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fly to the moon
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good map
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That's why we think we could just move them to another category
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also ddmax+ is way to big of a project to get it done xd
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I guess :v
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Just make new ddnet then
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@jao All maps and categories are made from database right ?
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The program checks for every categories then every maps by categories ?
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or @Learath2 if u know
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from vote.cfgs
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the cfgs build the database I think
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but not sure
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File hosted on ddnet.tw ?
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or just accessible trough http
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I dont think we put the prebuilt votes file anywhere
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Oh deen added it to the ddnet maps repo I think
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ddnet.tw/maps ?
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no on github
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The magic scripts that make DDNet run. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet-scripts development by creating an account on GitHub.
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I believe here
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But that file is built from the database.
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I think there is also another source of truth for that which makes things confusing. It's a little weird how votes.cfg gets generated
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How does a map know from which category it shoud be ?
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On database ?
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Ah no ok you make a vote.cfg for every category
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and rebuild it everytime a map has been rlsed
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Database and one more thing I'm having trouble remembering. @jao what kept resetting the difficulty on the maps u changed?
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@Neben yes
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Is it faster this way ?
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[2:04 AM] HMH: @jao About maprerating with django: The problem is we have the data for mapratings in two places, that is ~teeworlds/servers/types/*/maps and in our sqldatabase. Currently the ground of truth is ~teeworlds/servers/types/*/maps, so everytime git-update.sh is run it sets the maps within the database according to these files. If you change the database and want that to be persistent you have to tell django to generate these files from the database and replace the old ones (which is exactly what happens during releases). Unfortunately I do not have the time to change that, but yes it is not exactly good design. (edited)
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Why not check on database everytime ?
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Instead of making a file for it everytime
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it's confusing xd
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Ah yes the maps file
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They were two seperate systems once upon a time @Neben
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I think we kept it like that as to not query the db too much
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Makes sense
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But its unnecessary optimization imho
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The db should be able to handle 10 more queries every minute
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Or maybe we could generate a new maps file when the maps table changes. Either works
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Ah you don't do that ?
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I thought you were xd
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You change manually ? xd
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maps file is the base now
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We change things in the maps file and it generates everything else
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So you launch a script to add / remove / edit a map's settings ?
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A script is ran every couple minutes to generate many parts of ddnet
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The website pages e.g.
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Uh this get too complicated, I'll check myself first
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The magic scripts that make DDNet run. Contribute to ddnet/ddnet-scripts development by creating an account on GitHub.
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It took me a couple months to figure out where everything is
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this repo needs some reorganisation lol
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Ddnet needs some reorganization. I've been meaning to get some done. Maybe get ansible playbooks to deploy ddnet servers
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Can be interesting
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Since you probably have a lot of problems because of group working
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go organize everything
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ChungusBingChilling 2018-11-16 18:21:16Z
hello
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ChungusBingChilling 2018-11-16 18:34:43Z
danAmazing
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lol
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-16 20:13:22Z
is the new telegun backwards compatible?
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i assume it doesnt force eveyrone to update to play maps
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hello, someone who know the f1 command could help me ?
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no client update needed
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ever
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so nonddnet people can play too
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@jao's hairy kebab its all serverside
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@jao's hairy kebab but u cant map with telegun on previous versions
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and u need the updated .pngs to see the tiles
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on enitites
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𓆏 Kynilix 𓆏 2018-11-16 20:42:58Z
justcopyfly is soo wierd omg
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@MtKuma if you‘d just ask your question, you‘d have more luck with an answer
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i hear that you can change option for movement speed, like the command inp_mousesens for the mouse
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like for edge jumping for exemple
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not via f1
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not with ddnet client at least lol
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okay, and do someone have a advice for edge jumping ?
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dont collide your tee with the freeze/tele block
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i hate russian servers 95 pings :'
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i hate ddos :(
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@Learath2 Rico, Frucht & Cireme did r1 on Back in Time but MØtiv was also in the team. He failed before the end due to ddos attacks
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servers down?
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how sad
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leave a like
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Truly sad
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Alexa play despacito 2
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not to you
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to ezy
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Rockus how r u (edited)
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fine wbu bro
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I’m bad
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why bro
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Because I need wake up in 4 hours
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@Rockus mad?
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@ezy go to ur cave
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troll
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weeboi
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competetive weeboi
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@ezy "gangsta paradise"
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XD
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good song
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c00l b0y
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im listening to
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oldschool shit
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just cuz ud rather hear weebsongs
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doesnt mean i cant listen to this
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i hear some weeb maybe but i like normal music
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not gangsta shit
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crazy
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so give some good spanish music
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most spanish music sucks
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thats
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south american
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its spanish language
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close enough
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so what u listen to
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what artists
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or u listen to normal
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kpop music
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i listen to "ezy is the biggest nobo"
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track
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im trying to help a friend
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made by gods
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and everyone just hating
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@ezy u suck
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-16 23:47:42Z
no u indeed
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dab
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dont say dab
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its
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cringy af
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-16 23:50:44Z
dont force me to spam it
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