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Between 2018-11-08 00:00:00Z and 2018-11-09 00:00:00Z
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Hi friends
01:07
In this server one people is trolazo
01:07
😄
01:07
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@deen ath uses sdl2 also
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so why does ddnet 11 lag more?
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more than ddnet 11? idk lol
11:42
maybe something to do with the opengl setting
11:42
but last time i tested i get avg ~250fps with normal ddnet10 client and avg ~180fps with ddnet11
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a big difference lol
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i mean yeah kinda lol
12:04
its not like 180 is bad but an update shouldnt cause anyone to lose fps
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yeah right
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we did accidentally build some versions with Debug instead of Release, so that might have been the problem?
bluestripe 2
13:53
Should be fixed though
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getting ddosed again?
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 15:06:55Z
"Declined sorry, you’re too immature and your English skills aren’t good enough yet. Top Locked
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what's not true lol
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 15:07:14Z
@jao that was the only reason?
15:08
sure ofc you accepted zoomie's app
15:09
not that im complaining about THAT, he deserved it
15:10
im gonna speak up with snail
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that’s the main reason, yes
troll 1
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who is @SukLuck
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he’s brazilian
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oh
16:07
omg hahaxd moderator
16:07
again famous name as moderator, being online 1 hour per month
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and team only player
16:08
xd
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I added the countries to #announcements 😉
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i'm ukrainian, not ger 😄 @jao
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but are mod for ger sevs
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or it's servers
16:14
ah, ok
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hey another non ddr mod
16:14
happy
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ok added player countries too
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Wtf
16:19
Me no helper!
16:19
?
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also [10:07 AM] Jesus Christ: again famous name as moderator, being online 1 hour per month +1
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  • 🇵🇱 @Deleted User joined as helper
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Omg
16:21
GWseremePeepoGGERS
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  • 🇩🇪 @jao demoted to banned (GER)
16:22
  • 🇺🇸 @noby demoted to fng
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  • 🇺🇸 @noby demoted to botter (murica)
(edited)
16:25
  • @Ryozuki promoted to moderator
16:25
make ddnet great again
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  • GWfroggyPeepoDetective @Ryozuki demoted to zoozer (BAN)
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GWskarzzMonkaGun - @Tropo demoted to 31er
GWmythicalFeelsSadMan 1
GWseremePeepoLife 1
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@Ryozuki your purple /pink (sorry colourblind) colour means you are a helper?
16:27
areu colorblind?
16:27
xd
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he’s dev
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purple = dev lavender = helper
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jao doesnt want me mod cuz he hates me for personal reasons like with cellegen
16:28
troll
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not personal reasons u just had the wrong opinions
16:28
thonkery
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stop spreading lies about me GWmythicalFeelsSadMan
no 2
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He is cool and you are uncool
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jao make map rework
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Ah oke, but yes i am colourblind and i failed multiple times because of that.
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and release new telegun
16:29
troll
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mhh just as a update for you guys it kinda seems to be working fine now on DDNet 10.8.6 (for whatever reason?) ... atleast i got no lagg spikes so im happy now w/e 😄 just dont have to update then lol, an intersting thing is like on ddnet 10.8.6 i got 720 fps on average, where on DDNet 11.4.6 i got like 400 on average
16:36
ddnet10 best client
16:37
but before it did work on ddnet 11 too
16:37
but now not for w/e reason
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ddnet 11 doesnt not work its just laggier
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Opengl3 turned on or off could also make a big difference.
16:38
10.8.6 doesn't use that yet
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yeah i saw no option for opengl on ddnet 10.8.6
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opengl3 should work for @reo , it removes alot of CPU work and might boost your FPS
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but on the latest i have turned it off too
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i get 6000FPS with gl3 and 3500 FPS without
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well if anyone wants some data or sth idc just ask me i guess? i can reproduce the laggspikes as often as i want , just have to open ddnet 11 XD
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it's not impossible that something was added that uses more CPU resulting in less FPS
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what os do u have @reo
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but a huge drop like you got looks more like a overheating or power managment issue
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oh then idk
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well im fine with 400 fps too i dont midn really
16:41
as long as it is consistent XD
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i wrote some things you should try
16:41
did all?
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"disable vsync. gfx_refresh_rate 1000 cl_refresh_rate 0 if still laggs install newest gpu driver from nvidia.com if still laggs try opengl3 if still laggs rip probs some overheating or bad power management"
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here so you dont need to search it again xd
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cl refresh rate 0
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fps from 400 to 2000
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XD
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yes
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still laggspikes tho
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i mean a gtx 1060 is good GPU
16:43
2k is not suprising xD
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gfx_refresh_rate 1000 when i do this it caps on 1000?
16:44
well but still lagspikes
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yes might fix overheating
16:44
ok
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vsync is disabled
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when i turn it on i got 60 fps
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+ laggspikes
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yeah vsync is useless xd
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so i guess i just stick to ddnet 10 till it is fixed? xd
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tested opengl3?
16:46
as said it removes CPU work
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still lagspikes
16:47
i see no difference
16:47
when its on or off
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even after restart
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what CPU do you have btw?
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ryzen 5 1600
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ok
16:48
mh it's strange i have an ryzen 1800x and have no laggs
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@Deleted User same cpu but fps on 600-800 more 😄
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but deffs try upgrading your GPU drivers
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everything on the newest
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alright
16:48
32bit or 64 bit?
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i have osx+ integrated gfx chip (no gpu) and i also get noticeably lower fps in ddnet11 with same settings and both opengl on and off
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same settings as in ddnet10*
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it's really strange, i tested it too, i have same FPS with gl3 off
16:49
on windows and linux
16:50
it's either a setting, or something heinrich changed with the async tasks, that affects your pcs more
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@heinrich5991 pls fix
16:51
why would it be a setting if the same settings work fine for ddnet10
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i think he removed it bcs windows 7 had crashes
16:51
maybe a new setting xD
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u a dev onby
16:52
go profile then we know :;D
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that sounds like work
16:52
🙃
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xD
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i havent found a good profiling program for osx either
16:52
only linux
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ok i will look if i find smth
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@reo can you try the github build: https://ci.appveyor.com/api/buildjobs/buvdj93g7c955wn9/artifacts/build64%2FDDNet-11.4.6-win64.zip its compiled with vs 2015 instead of mingw
17:05
bcs i can't find something suspecious
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@Deleted User thanks for supporting your opengl3 change all the time btw, I appreciate it and I know it must be annoying dealing with lots of weird driver problems etc
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xd?
17:07
its nothing related to gl3 this time xD
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holy shit they're right
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left ddnet11 right ddnet10
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I just downloaded 10.8.6 and get 230 fps, and only 120 in current
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@deen nice can you profile?
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sure i will try afterwards
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@reo nvm actually
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playing a map right now xd
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my first try would be to bisect
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but deen to be sure
17:11
refresh rate set to zero?
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no, to 480
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pls change that
17:11
bcs i changed that calculation once
17:11
well, now it's up to 700 fps
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but thats not the problem for the guys
17:12
when its zero in both version
17:12
is one slower?
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10.8.6 at 750 fps, current at 500
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well we changed the FPS output once
17:14
but i doubt it was that inaccurate
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the numbers are really weird though
17:14
jumped up to 1400 now, then back down to 900
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in the old one?
17:15
so it might just be showing inaccurate high numbers?
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maybe when u resume the client
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new one is more consistent
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but why would it feel different to people who dont necessarily have fps counter even enabled
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the old used a strange average calculation the new uses frame times (edited)
17:16
yeah onby is right
17:16
that wouldn't explain FPS drops in the new one
17:16
so assume the values are right, something kills the CPU in the new client
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@Moderator blockers on aimlicious
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my fps fluctuate between 1000 and 100 all the time btw
17:16
so the frames where it's at 100 might go below the refresh rate of the screen and then it's laggy
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i think fps counter is broken
17:17
it always show rly fast numbers on 500
17:17
and never goes down or up
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in the old client?
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@Ryozuki might be gfx_finish 1 and your driver limiting at some point?
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gfx_finish is on 0
17:23
at some point it started this
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on older versions
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i had 3k fps
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thats why i think its the fps counter
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the new fps should be accurate
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its not the fps counter
17:24
steam says i have 476 fps constant
17:25
might be something blocking it yea
17:26
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it probably uses a different average calculation
17:26
like the average of the last 2 seconds
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no, steam and tw are close
17:26
oh
17:27
this might be the real fps and the 3k fps was the counter being broken?
17:27
idk
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@deen could you just apply the new fps counter in the 10.8.6 and look if there is a diff xD
17:27
or monitor it with OBS or smth
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I have 9k fps
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well i have over 144fps so its all fine for me
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i'd do it but i don't have such a difference between the clients xD
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and my gpu is fine
17:28
tee_thinking
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btw @Ryozuki if you want to test amdgpu staging, you only need to compile a linux kernel from here xD https://cgit.freedesktop.org/~agd5f/linux (edited)
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database connection failed
19:05
feelsbadman
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suicidalLenahx3 2018-11-08 19:06:05Z
Database connection failed, score written to a file instead. Admins will add it manually in a few days.
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yeah, sorry about that
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aqu as helper
19:26
ok
19:35
on ger
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@deen ger is getting ddos right?
19:39
well, just a DoS from a single source with spoofed ip address actually
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lmao, why does anyone do that
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same reason they do it for the last 4 years I guess
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and how can have only a single source so much power? (edited)
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not much power
19:44
200 mbit/s of application specific pakets is enough to overload us easily
19:44
generating garbage packets is much easier than telling them apart from legitimate traffic
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it has at least a not to be underestimated effect
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I mean any 3 $ vps is good enough to create that traffic, nothing fancy required
19:45
people without hobbies i guess
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do you have to be active as a ddoser
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then they could pursue a hobby while ddosing
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i mean, you have to put some effort into it
19:51
just to start that, and that's kinda pointless IMO
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How to ddos thonkery
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u know exatcly why they do it and you DO understand it. with only a few clicks and some money they can make a lot of people unhappy. and just that fact is enough for them to do it
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sounds like a sad life
19:53
they should die with the most sufffering possible
19:54
and its legit to desire that
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i would understand if they do it once, just to see how well their stuff works, but not for several years
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@Blindhero its a constant thing
19:54
even more on tournaments
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people happily see there is a tournament, u expect to have fun
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but no
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the pedo shit ddosers
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will be there
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Cant you contact the hoster and disable that account
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to ruin it
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i think if you ask them they say that they dont really care and they do it for the lolz and incidentally. but really i think they care a lot, but thats goin into psyche stuff idk
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i reported some ip addresses bruteforcing my server, no response by the abuse email addresses (edited)
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I tried ddosing for a test on nfo servers once, they immediately limited by bandwidth to like 0.01 mbps lol
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nice
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all ddosers deserve to have unstable internet and laggy gui forever
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i mean, ddos is boring af, if they were even exploiting or finding bugs, this would be funnier
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¯\_(ツ)_/¯
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perhaps he is reading all this and is laughing about how triggered we all are
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probably
19:58
it's a way funnier, that he has fun ddosing a ~10 year old 2D game
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nolife
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i mean
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what will u do "hey friend i ddos a game for several years runining their fun
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haha xd"
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if he would explain me this
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scriptkiddie
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i would slap him
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we might be triggered
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but he's spending money
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which
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is sad
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as fuck
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and some time xd
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yes but sadly he will never be confronted with it in real life. imagine if someone asks him what he does this afternoon and he said, "im gonna ddos servers from a 11 year old game that has a playerbase on 400 people for fun"
19:59
*childrens game
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how about other ranks that are outside the given period?
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the ones ive checked seemed to be legit
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how can you be sure if it was a first try?
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it can still be a rank made with a replay bot that didn't fail (edited)
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What's a replay-bot ?
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records and replays sequences of movements to cheat at solo maps
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20:08
and they should take his advice feelsgoodman
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 20:08:26Z
or even so dummy maps
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oh should add explanation for replay bot to the text
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what's with his insane ranks?
20:10
Adre 4.2?
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I'm disapointed :((
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why snail calls freezestyler borderline cheater lol
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because he actually intended to bot some maps
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but then we banned ppl
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so he didnt do it
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and he asked somebody to bot a map for him
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@Freezy botter
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troll
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fake news lul
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please tell the whole story omg
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freezestyler [...] bot [...] maps the end
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he made records for syltoox and syltoox finished under his name
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so he would be safe
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n9 jetzt angespannt
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on the one hand thats smart af on the other hand it never happened @jao
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jetz deutsch du fahrrad
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what if syltoox doesnt exist and its just a collective botting name used by many players
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thonkery
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ddnet can see ip's
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i never made records for syltoox tho, it wouldnt even work since i only got zimes bot client and syltoox men of steels, so please overthink your messages before saying stuff that isnt even true (edited)
banhammer 1
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syltoox is very much real
20:14
lol
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what kind of bot was that? "autorace" bot?
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why do everyone i like bot :((
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you was able to recorn button inputs
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already thought about smth like this, but it's kinda hard to code right? in special with another partner
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fck this game GWsetmyxPeepoCry
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record*
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not really
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ah, lame
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doing it with two tees might be harder
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i thought of something like automatic pathfinder
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automatic pathfinder exists within ath clien tbut only for maze maps, and ddnet has only one map like that
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still lame xd
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And maze maps are gay
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not with the pathfinder
20:16
i made rank2 with it 😉
banhammer 3
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$map NUT_race9
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bot-cmds
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KLMAO
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@RonIn GG
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 20:20:31Z
corneum nobo
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BAN BOTTERS
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but not for 2 months
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lifeban nameban
20:21
and 6 month ip ban
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lmao
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make them play with a proxy
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and have lag
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look at this
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just look at this
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@noby u with me
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how is this fair
20:22
fair for other players would be to delete all of his ranks come on
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@Rockus i think u are one of the last active pros that didn't bot
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20:22
It sucks
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not really, n9 is actually pretty good,
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we'll never know if he botted every single one lmao
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@Gwendal lmao someone accused me to jao LOL
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@Rockus admit u did !
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yse on minecraft 2013 server LOL
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now this shit impossible ranks will stay
20:23
and no one will ever pass them
20:23
which is totally fair
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@jao if someday i bot ban me like 1 year pls
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no
20:24
its name ban
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Not thoses 2 shorts months
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just don’t bot
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or delete points
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i vote for deleting points
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and let him use his shit name´
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just because he botted some doesnt mean everything is botted lol
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it doesn't
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but there's a chance
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hes still an extremly good player
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20:24
ive checked more demos and these werent botted as i said
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wtf you should at least delete the insane ranks
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@Freezy did u rly use bot ?!?!
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or is he extremely good at hiding his bots?
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ye he can be as good as a god but he BOTTED
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he could have aimbotted
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@Gwendal NOT TO FINISH MAPS NO
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BOT BOT BOT BOT
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yes thats why ive found all of these botted ones in the given timestamp?
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yes great work snail
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@Freezy uff uff uff xd
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but still
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i think
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it's not the fair punishment
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he's causing trouble to everyone literally
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thats why we wanted to delete everything in the first place
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and you should had (edited)
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@snail wait all solos races were bot with replay bot ?
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u can nameban him permanently
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but if we can try to estimate a botting period its better to just cover that
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 20:26:03Z
lmao ryokurwa
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and we've already went over the estimation to ensure it covers more than needed
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i don't agree with that
20:26
it's an estimation
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why are u giving him some profit
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which isn't 100% accurate ofc
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he botted
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supported by demos that ive checked
20:26
and ye
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he deserves consequences
20:26
even if he did something legit
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unless u check everything manually u cant rly know (and even then)
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I'm probaly stupid but i always wondered how can u "replay" a r1, if no one did this time u can't replay it like
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ryo why are you always so extreme
20:27
that's why
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because syltoox
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he deserves to be deleted from ddnet
20:27
he's wasting your time
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just delete every rank he made this year otherwise it's unfair
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i knew it
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man
20:27
i fucking knew it
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he botted 1 time, banned, botted again, nameban, and was unbanned cuz he promised no more bot, botted again
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Give all n9's runs to every1, pretty sure some ppl will be ok to check his runs
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@Gwendal you can record in sequences, don’t need to record the whole run at once
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syltoox is the example of the botting community
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he has a lot of very good legit ranks, if those get deleted its also unfair
20:27
if he botted
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it isn't
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@Ryozuki yes you are right, there is a possibility of more cheated ranks, imo all ranks should be deleted as a consequence
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if he did it 1 time
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he can do it 2nd time
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lmao
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now let him waste his time
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trying to get his ranks back
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like he's wasting your time
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watching is demos
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@jao kk pretty hard to make so xd
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becuse he's a dick
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@Gwendal make what
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@jao recording all the shit ? And like make them fit together
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and wtf he lied to you
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it's not hard to record single parts
20:29
this uy
20:29
dservers to be deleted
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that's what makes it so efficient @Gwendal
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steam vac ban is a good example, it leaves a really big mark that u have used cheats on ur profile
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@jao does it work with cp ?
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yet ddnet doesnt do this
20:30
and makes you spend more money on the company which is actually so good
20:30
imagine teeworlds was paid lmao
20:30
all this botters getting vac banned AHAHAH
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adn then wasting money to bot more
20:30
people buy CSGO on sale to bot
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@Gwendal let's say that it works well enough 😉
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@jao please mark botters on ddnet.tw website
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#accounts
20:31
no
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i'd delete them
20:31
here
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@jao if it doesn't work with cp it's probaly pretty hard xd
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big red message
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pin message
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"BOTTER"
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delete them from ddnet's history
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Emote 🤖
20:31
Like u did on profile long time ago @jao
20:31
I mean on $profile
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@Gwendal no it's not, hence the number of succesful botters
20:31
i don't get one thing
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here u have a good example @jao
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what about those ranks
20:32
you showed one of them
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and you proved it was botted
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yet this ranks were made after that estimated time (edited)
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@Im 'corneum delete vid !
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don't delete it
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thats not his rank 1 on this map @Rockus
20:32
its just a random botted rank
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the majority of the ranks in the video are legit 🤷
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I'm still deleting ranks btw
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but the moevement
20:32
is exactly
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the same from the botted video
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@deen n9mkoik ones?
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and yes ssome ranks are still being deleted
20:33
so maybe thats why
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Is Prison 1 cheated ?
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It's like impressive af
20:33
37sec
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@Ryozuki yeah
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ye id like to see prison 1 demo
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@Im 'corneum i wouldn't say that so certainly
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today he was playing
20:34
probably botting too
20:34
on a solo map
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oh yes send prison 1 demo here
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Even 43 sec was amazing so 37 goood
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delete him
20:36
Just verify it
20:37
DELETE HIM
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WHY DO U WANT TO DELETE "HIM"
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i think snail once said he only deletes ranks that are proven to be botted.
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that sucks
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Ye agree
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not the ones that could be botted
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When i was new to ddnet
20:38
I loved Roco videos
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it would be more fair to the community if he deleted all ranks but oh well
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Then i knew what he did
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And now same shit with n9
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fckoff
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guess the botter is always
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the victim
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and deserves a 2nd chance
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Ye Reo
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@Im 'corneum ye, and we already went over that mindset now
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have my dreams beem crushed!?
20:39
i taught so insane player exist
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I don't wanna ge g9 anymore @reo
20:39
xd
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and i just suck
20:39
LOL
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be* (edited)
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so many text
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a lot of people seem to think that he botted every single map and is secretly bad
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best player will be always me
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dont wanna scroll up to read everything
20:39
lol
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Wtf Nyze
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nyze greatest player ❤
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Since when u have Discord
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what about heartcore ranks
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My boi
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have you checked @snail
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@Im 'corneum ye lol
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he played under the name Kusok
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@Rockus 2nd best player ❤
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❤ ❤ ❤
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@Gwendal a long time i guess, but i never use it ;D
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@Rockus we still don't know if prison 1 is cheated XDXD
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guess his dummy's name makes sense now (edited)
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n9mkoik CHEAT
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see he told us all the time why are you suprised 😄
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remember when i was defending him when ppl was saying that he is a cheater cause of his dummy name
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GWsetmyxPeepoCry GWsetmyxPeepoCry
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replay bot
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u can delete 5 of his 10 ranks on binary
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what i want to say is, he is still respectable
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not really
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he is a botter
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generally speaking he isnt. the fewest of his ranks are botted.
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he is a botter
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bot once
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and u are forever
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doesn't matter, at the moment he botted, he lost all respect
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but not on every map
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if you want to be respected, don't bot
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as easy as that
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u kill one person, and u dont call him an assasin cuz he didnt kill all people?
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very nice example ryo
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wat
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troll
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there's no way to be 100% sure so it won't be easy to regain trust, once a botter, always a botter ~jao 2018
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always
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you can disrespect him as a punishment. but fact is that he is a good player and i respect him for the real ranks
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u respect him
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u are also a botter
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non botters
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dont respect him
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i was also fan of him
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but this
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is a fcking shame
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nice predictions
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why delete
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why is a random player in ddnet news?
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on the startscreen of my client
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this botter guy
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what do u mean
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nevermind..
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but you can't know if there are "real" ranks lol @Im 'corneum
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maybe he botted everything?
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snail said otherwise
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obviously he didn't bot everything
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and he knows best. as i understand he botted a few maps only
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you can't be completely sure
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@jao the video proof shows fikmesan
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a bit more than "few"
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@jao is he involvedi n this botting
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he botted under her name @Ryozuki
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its n9 playing as fikmesan
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how u know
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with her consent
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if teehistorian suposedly doesnt record chat
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since she didn't want the ranks
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to be deleted
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at any itme
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lmao
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she definitely didnt know it was botted
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ok, then we can fluch every single rank from every single player down the drain because "we cant be sure" and also every rank efore teehistorian and also its only with keyboard cam now
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delet rockus we cant be sure
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you just said
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some random shit
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orly
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its not every singel player
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he botted
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he'es not every single player
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its proved
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but maybe you did too
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wtf are you saying
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maybe?
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prove it
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and
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we cant be sure
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delete my name
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prove it
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prove one
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and delete my name
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psl
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pls bro
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go ahead
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waiting
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not needed, because WE CANT BE SURE
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YO CAUN
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YOU CAN
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OTHERWISE
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so why delete every n9 rank
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THEY WOULDn'T HAVE POSTED TRHAT
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ARENT OYU SURE
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but there are video proofs of n9 botting atleast 1 rank
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because he botted
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so we should delete him all
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soem ransjk
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ranks
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that's a reason to delete him
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im still not yet sure wether or not you botted, i dont trust you so we should delete every single rank to be sure
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botting is like a drug
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that's what I said
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How the fuck can it be a drug
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you can't just stop ask syltoox lol
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syltoox is botter example
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of addiction
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Like no one respect u anymore , ur got name ban , u got rank deletes
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i bet ryo is pro.drugs irl 😄
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But u still addict ? xd
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noby is
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you don't get one thing
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it's proved that he botted
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it's different
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don't you get it? @Im 'corneum
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@Gwendal you can get addicted to the anttention or whatever you get from it
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bot is drug
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@Im 'corneum i never positioned on that matter xd
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i dont get why nice and legit ranks have to be removed. the new rank1 wouldnt be real then because someone else was faster. not botting
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the happiness of finishing something you struggled on is a drug
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@J$ON why ??
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@Im 'corneum ppl can do wathever they want, even kill themselves if it doesnt imply/hurt another in the process
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@Gwendal idk lol
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nice and legit ranks might have been botted beacuse it was proved that a lot of his ranks were botted
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period
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@J$ON u knew that u were going to be disrespected after tho
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xd
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but then it should be carefull ychecked if they are botted and dont just remove everything
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@Gwendal if you take "real" drugs you also know that it will fuck up your life lol
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or that it might fuck you up
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@jao i mean bot on ddnet doesn't give feels like reals drugs tho Xd
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@Im 'corneum we don't have the resources for doing that
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it does gwendal
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@Im 'corneum did u watch the proofs
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it shows a clear replaybot
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yes , on those specific maps. i mean his legit ranks.
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@Gwendal why not? drugs make you feel good, so does botting
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it would be just a waste to delete them
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no its fair
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@jao like u can say that u are high while botting ? xd @<BµmM>
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even if not all ranks are cheated u cant be sure but got proof of 1 rank. so delete every rank as a punishment
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its a punishment
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even if they are legit
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n9mkoik=syltoox2.0
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im really amazed by how you guys think.
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he will get more bans than me
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its also an easier job for u. just delete N9mkOik out of the database. job done.
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@Im 'corneum then go ahead and do it
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go through hours of demos
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like you don't have a life
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id like to
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do ti
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do it
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@Im 'corneum they're emotionally, they feel betrayed
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nobody sends me the files
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@Gwendal not every drug makes you feel high lol
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jao the Psychologistxd (edited)
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but it really seems like it
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@Gwendal watch a doc on drugs 😉
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@<BµmM> but does even one bot make u feel high ?
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Xddddd and when i saw n9 posting his bot client on rus discord i thought hes kidding
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u know i always wanted botters permaban and ranks deleted
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this whole mess of a chat seems like a over reaction
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no matter the moment
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says the botter
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who did exactly the same
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and should have had the faith of gettign deleted
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@jao actually i never wanted to know more than what i know atm , i don't want to wanna "test it" after a doc
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imagine i am n9mkoik just to troll u guys
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@Gwendal watch one that shows the dangerous of it then you won't want to try it lol
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not interesting to watch then
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It has nothing to do with feeling betrayed imo, deleting all ranks from someone who bots would scare other people off doing the same shit
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now i see n9 r1
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which means its botted
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which meansi ts impossible to pass with bare skill
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LOL
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fuck that shit
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r2 is the new r1
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a death sentende also scares people do do bad stuff, yet its believed to be anything but fair by most civilized countries. so that doesnt make it fair
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it would scare others at the cost of deleting legit ranks, which is not good
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also criminal rates are still high in us 😄
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why should it be fair for n9 if he had cheated lol. fair to remove his existence
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i kid you not 60% of the peope here would actually murder n9 irl
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@RonIn u there
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you shouldn't be fair to him, be fair to the community
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i will hire a hitman
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it's fair to the community to protect the integrity of the rank system and not delete legit ranks
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u mess with the ddnet, u get a shot in the head
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but @jao u cant be sure the ranks were legit so
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cant be sure again xD
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we checked a lot ranks
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you're not protecting the integrity of the rank system
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there is no punishment
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you're justl etting cheated ranks
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get past
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like they're nothing
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we made a careful estimation after reviewing as much as we could
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coem on
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as you could
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what about what you couldn't
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tbh if i had cheated ranks and got exposed i wont give a f if my name get banned.
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worst punishment
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syltoox etc seemed to suffer from it 😉
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ye thats true tho. n9 could recover from it in another year
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(the ones who got banned longer than 2 weeks)
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XD
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@jao he probably suffer because of the points he made. thats why the ranks should be deleted as well
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wut? he got his name back?
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just deleting and giving the name free in a year again is the best option imo
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@jao respect that you and the others take the time to observe a player and even investigate the ranks, i wouldnt take the time for such players lol
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i like how u dont care enoguh to make a post on forum AND comment there, while still following the news of a game ud ont care about @1vogel
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btw did u mention that u didnt care?
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then elave
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leave
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kog sucks
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gores
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and go to kog server
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boring
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are you mad because they removed the moderator from you
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unique best
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troll
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they removed moderator from me too
feelsbadman 5
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lol
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moderators dont come when i ping them
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feelsbadman
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jao is a very bad mod
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@1vogel xD
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idk why u'all don't like jao
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quality content
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because he is bad
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Never saw him being bad or unfair
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and an assh*le
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i dont like being removed from mod and seeingh mods dont do anything
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shots been fired
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he is always unfair and raging
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u probaly are if u insult
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i also dont like gdin still being admin and not doing anything?
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ye i guess u are a fng player aswell
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@Wombat is you profile picture intended to be showing part of your name?
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and we know nothing about snail and learath
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jao seems the only active in the community
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Ye i can understand why u don't like gdin , i only know that he sometimes decline applys of mod xd
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@1vogel i got removed cause i complained publicly about an admin and thus breaking a rule
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@Im 'corneum illuminatipepeH
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👁 gotya
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Strawpoll: Should N9mkoik be deleted from ddnet's history?
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f4 3
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why am I an asshole
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DDNet would be a better place with no active staff member than with one single jao
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time to make ddnet a better place then
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u guys who can't see that jao made greats things are probaly blind
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Ye please leave
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ddnet would be a better place with 10 deens and not in 2018 but back in 2014 and i want tournaments back 😦
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rockus is someone
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I want tournaments too GWfroggySadCat
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who is way better than you
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SP | someone
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toptri
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I never played one
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in everything
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related to teeworlds
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and btw
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we played together aim 11.0
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Why don't you just run tourmanents then
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But on videos tournaments looks so coool
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like 2 years ago
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@Ludi cause ddos
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Wait for real?
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@Ludi tournaments = every1 goes on the same 3 serv and more players than usually so yeah ddoser takes more fun
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Thats rough
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it's really a news for u? xD
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Hello my fanboys
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Whats up
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When i started playing tw there was the solo tournament on " future " map by Silex or smth
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But i wasn't interested in and i just played Kobra the whole night
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Cellegen for moderator
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Im wondering why i never get Promoter to a higher rank in ddnet
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Promoted
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Me for ddnet role
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pls
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ddnet role has admin rights
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They should add a rank like 'Baguette'
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For you gwendal
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btw. general discord server qustion, i can't set a nickname here?
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i can on others
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@jao thats the point
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@Blindhero no, but I can do for you
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@Deleted User ye ikr
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how do u know i'm french btw xd ? (edited)
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ok nice?
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You can't set a nick if you listen to slipknot unfortunately
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Gwendal im vali
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We are friends
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wat
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We played together kog
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@Ludi don't you like my taste of music?
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Lots Of times
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What no, hate the mods, not me
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Lots of times ? Lmao
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We Hanged up on ww discord everytime
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I remember about that
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i'm new
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helo how r u
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Are u a blind hero?
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i'm fine thanks, what about u
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sure
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I though blind people cant read
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xj9 best discord
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I'm in pain
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N9 GWsetmyxPeepoCry GWsetmyxPeepoCry GWsetmyxPeepoCry GWsetmyxPeepoCry
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Exec better
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Stevie wonder
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O_O
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What does Stevie wonder about ?
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oh boi generica up again
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vali acne boii
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here's your doctor
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to cure your acne
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XD
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Whivh acne
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Which*
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xdd gimme @Rockus
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GWsetmyxPeepoCry
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We already wrote about it @Rockus , i never had acne
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OH YE VALI I REMEMBER OF EVERYTHINGD NOW
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We even had voicechat many times lol
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Des gwendal
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U was the autism kid
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lol ath botter is friends with ddoser
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Ath ist bot
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I dont want to flame about ddnet stuff who use botterclients
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So pls dont open the botter topic here
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With anxton aswell lul
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oh relaly
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Isnt*
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because ic ured it
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now you're saying
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that you never had..
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Ddnet stuff uses bots?
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Ye, some guys Of ddnet Team used bots
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Race bot
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Stop spam pls
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spam
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don't insult @Rockus
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@Im 'corneum I have his R1 on Prison 1
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On demo
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I was watching him
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@Neben omg
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my idea to share it
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Gimme first
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xd i need to record it first
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Can't rn
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Just give .demo
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nn mtn
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demo
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he's a gay nobo
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no u
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@Rockus dem1
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can't before dem1
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xd
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demone?
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the money
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@Rockus close
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In french one is un
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So demun which is pronunced demain (edited)
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So tomorrow
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stop insulting..
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censored me
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and no one will mute it
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censorship sucks
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eu's law in progress
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about internet things ? @Blindhero
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sure
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It sucks :/
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 21:54:03Z
seeing now posting nömkoik botting clap clap "didnt noticing it" ahemm nömk0ik [cheat] profile
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👏 n9mkoik 👏 botting 👏
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 21:54:56Z
👏 bot 👏 review
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meme of the day
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botting in the past
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until when?
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did his name get banned
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like syltoox XD
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:02:30Z
yes troll
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ip: 127.0.0.1
troll 2
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pls no ddos
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0.0.0.0 confirmed
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:03:41Z
vali ddos confirmed
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back to ban vali 😄
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:04:21Z
or do you prefer f4 vali? troll
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192.168.1.1
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Stop ddos @Cellegen | HU
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:04:30Z
me? no u
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No u
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:04:36Z
u
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U
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Actually, I agree with you @jao that we should be fair with fair ranks, but shouldn't we ask N9mkOik first, what he thinks of it ? Would he be ok to be "deleted" and start a new whole life on tw ? It looks like a stupid way of finding what's the better thing to do, but since you try to keep him as an active pro player, I think this is important to ask him
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oh okay let's ask the botter what he thinks thonkery
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AHAH
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ask the killer what he things
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hello botter, are you ok with us taking away your cheated ranks or u wanna still keep them?
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@Neben obviously we spoke to n9 before doing anything
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:05:40Z
the thing is it was obvious that he did botting since replay bot started to exist
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I knew ppl would react that way
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then why the fuck u ask
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we try to keep him as an active player?
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But it's a little community, and negotiate things one by one is still possible
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its common sense
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And is a good way to negotiate and find what to do
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okay let's politely ask him to stop botting
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What about to delete all points to begin New for all players, would be funny, on lots Of maps people used bugs and cheated points, ranks
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:06:45Z
yes good idea vali
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f4
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F3
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and it doesn't matter if he is ok with deleting legit ranks or not. legit ranks should simply not be deleted. we want to keep our rank system's integrity
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i have a feeling that ddnet does not punish for cheating, they only remove what was cheated
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:07:42Z
maybe its hard to check the differences between botted r1 and real r1, cuz ... he is a good player tho
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Btw when is ddnet 0.7.5 ready?
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Uh, N9 isn't a random guy, if Ravie came to bot one day, i would even try to negotiate, understand etc
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:07:54Z
make it urself vali
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ddnet 0.7.5 feelsamazingman
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-> u can simply cheat again and just make it less detectable and u wont get some cheated maps removed
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why should I bot? everyone would know right away lul
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Its ez to port the networking stuff, but im still waiting for Heinrich for finishing bis whole protocol
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"why is ravie suddenly good thonkery thonkery"
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:09:09Z
ravie is not playing for ranks... right? monkaS
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@jao K, so you keep fair ranks just because it's ddnet philosophy to be fair from "ranks only" and not from the community
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?
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WHAT DOES DDNET DO AGAINST BOTTERS EXCEPT FOR REMOVING CHEATED RANKS?
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Stop capslock
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Ty
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:09:37Z
detecting them troll
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call them botters for 7 years
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:09:54Z
make bot detection on ddnet troll
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most important question needs to be caps
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Because if it's the case I would stack on deleting all his ranks as consequences from his active botting
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Lets close the SRC Of tw and rewrite it all
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:10:38Z
nah, fairly enough n9mk0ik deserves some r1 since he is a skilled player
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he deserves a ban
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@Neben it is fair to the community to not delete legit ranks
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players that cheat deserve to be lifebanned
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:10:59Z
only a warning tho
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Whats about starkiller?
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:11:12Z
starkiller doesnt bot. i swear into it
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@jao Nah, ranks on community dont mean anything and we know it
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N9 finished for him ranks
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:11:25Z
:/
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starkiller has botted
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True
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Everyone know everyone
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:11:42Z
but not as often as n9mk0ik?
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@Neben then what do botters mean to you if you don't care about ranks?
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if you don't care, just leave them alone
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I actually don't care about them, but problem isn't rank, problem is they're lying
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Lets add accountsystem
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And ruining fun
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people bot on ddnet because ddnet doesnt have a bot detection that works for everyone, they need to check every player individually
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which sucks ass
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how are they ruining your fun if you don't care about them?
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:12:48Z
account system is not actually... amm fit into tw
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@noby hey, ddnet needs help against botter, do somethinf
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@jao Uh, I get your point, but as I said everyone knows each others
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And even if ranks get deleted
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:13:25Z
@noby tag oops
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They will still know about his skills
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And that's what matter in an online game like this
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:14:11Z
playing for fun
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Especially when there are only 500 active players
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don't you think by exposing him people will stop liking him? just look at this chat, people were emotionally, they will probably see him as a botter for quite some time now; even after his ban will have ended
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.
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:14:59Z
or making himself a meme like syltoox
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troll
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But if im thinking about another games like csgo, osu etc and ESL games, botters dont get banned or disqualifies
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@jao Y, and deleting all his ranks will be a good way for community to accept him at least
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But it's not a fair way
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:15:30Z
dont make vacban in ddnet
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what? deleting all his ranks will make the community accept him?
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Ans that's why we should ask him what he thinks about it
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Pro players can bot in another games, because no ody except it from them
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:15:55Z
he thinks he is inno
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the community won't accept him, they will see him as a botter as of now
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:16:02Z
in some cases
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Rename bis name
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His
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Then nobody know him
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:16:28Z
i would accept his fate if he wont actually bots anymore
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Ez way to fix the problem
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hes a dumbass
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for botting
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@jao Idk how you see things, but if N9 actually apologize to everyone and get all his ranks deleted
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@Neben what do YOU actually get from deleting his legit ranks?
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Then remake all his ranks legit
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people will still think he is a botter
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Then I think y that people would accept him
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:17:14Z
ammm bullshit
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botters know the risk and accept the consequences when they decide to bot
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@jao Some kind of future for him in this game
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:17:41Z
it will not change if you delete his ranks, we wont forgive him after that
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people didn't belive syltoox second, third, fourth heartcore finish either
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if he apologizes everyone will fuckin laugh at him for being nobo
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Xd
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tbh
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@Ravie lets promote you to Bot Killer
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nah I wont take noby's rank
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why should we care about his "future"? we tread him fairly, but he gets the punishment he deserves
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@Ravie so u have the permssions to delete evrything from the botter
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:18:50Z
jao, how interesting could be if there will be a tasbot for that, checking what time is the best personal in some maps owo
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@jao Aw so you rly just keep his ranks because some are legits ??
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:19:17Z
ye
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@Cellegen | HU replaybot is a tas
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:19:21Z
would make sense
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I don't see this game AT all like you do then
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HM, we can check if he was botting or not
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:19:43Z
which jao already did?
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But im not sure how good is ddnet in logging files
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@Neben we deleted a lot ranks of him huh? ~150 actually
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all top ranks
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:20:24Z
@jao all top ranks were solo mostly? cuz it would be acceptable
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150 isnt enough lol, he got like 300 top ranks
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@Neben we considered deleting everything, but we checked a lot ranks and then came to the conclusion that it would hit mostly legit ranks
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@jao how about u with ur 123456765432 devs actually make a fukin bot detection and than u can accuratly delete ranks and know the exact amout of ranks that have been botted and can detect future botters
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:21:01Z
inbetween 150 and 300 for sure
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@ezy ahamm onby's fng
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@Cellegen | HU thats not ddnet
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Freezestyler can i report u? For trying to bot, but then it lagged most time and the bot failed and you rq from the botclient
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@jao K so now your turn. Why do you want to keep legit ranks ?
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:21:43Z
but thats bot detection
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@Neben because we want to keep our rank system's integrity
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@Cellegen | HU aparently all of ddnets 2345 devs are busy 24/7 but then ddnet client somehow gets updates that no one even gives a fuck about
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@Deleted User i call it testing
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If it's not for his future on ddnet i don't see the point at all
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@ezy making good bot detection for something like ddnet is probably difficult, even noby's bot detection isn't perfect and it's a much much simplier mod
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:22:47Z
@ezy dont expect that they have enough time to do all of those works. +they have life
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@jao rank system's integrity ? What does it mean ? Some kind of non-censured system to everything rights ?
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Because in people's mind it won't ever be "right"
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But u finished 2 maps with it
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@Ravie noby is 1 person ddnet is like 20. also ddnet says their devs are buisy but then why do new client updates always come out?
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lol? which maps @Deleted User
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Every n9 ranks and botters ranks won't be "right"
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that we don't want to have it manipulated
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:23:55Z
/rank freezestyler botmaps
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troll
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I need to ASK yout friend
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Lol right, automated detection works better for some types of bots than others
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:24:26Z
what friend?
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troll
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Who was the guy who bot van from ddnet? Syltox or Sasukey?
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how about all ddnet devs stop working on crappy client updates that no one cares about and start working on making a bot detection saying ddnet devs are always buisy is just a lie
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lol 20 devs? xd nah there's only a few and they can't all cooperate on 1 project
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Syltoox lol
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Bot ban*
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:24:50Z
@Deleted User ez. both
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both @Deleted User xd
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Freezestyler bottrd with syltox 2gethrr
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@ezy the update made my client slower .. ddnet 10 best
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We can invite him
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@Deleted User u know how ddnet treats botters? syltoox is now in ddnets team
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@jao I still don't get what is rank's system integrity
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Eh really?
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not anymore
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well he was
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:25:52Z
was
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doesnt make the situation any better
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does it
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he was after he got banned for botting
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:26:37Z
well ath started it, ath ends it riiight?
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How many times did he get unban and how fast did he start botting again afterwards lol
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Lol, we aren't busy, thanks for knowing our schedules better then us
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@ezy so whx arnt you in ddnet Team, when you got reported to police from ddnet?
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:26:53Z
.__.
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@Neben the rank system should be meaningful. e.g. people should be rank1 if they deserved it and not because the previous rank1, which was also legit, was deleted
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:26:56Z
ops lea
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@Learath2 no busy > lazy so shhh.
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@Learath2 explain to me how you are buisy and develop the client at the same time
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@jao But why if in people's mind it won't mean anything ?
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We do small things that are easy in our limited free time obviously
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Just a way to say "I won't try to beat a R1 from a botter"
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@Neben that's what you say, yet people are outraged about botters everytime
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and some people do actually speedrun
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Or its ur fulltimejob
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:28:18Z
limited free time could be called business
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hm
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@Learath2 yea so i bet you guys could make a bot detection if you count together your 50 hours per week on working on ddnet client and instead invest it into bot detection
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50 hours per week, just lol
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@jao An integrity rank's system would be a system that actually take the point of view of the community
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@Learath2 sounds like its even more
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Because it's the community that makes this game grow up
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:29:50Z
50 hours per week is like all day all night doing your stuff in the computer
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@Neben rofl if people would not care about ranks they would not care about botters. botters don't harm you in any way if you don't care about ranks
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Or prioritize any work time on ddnet on anti bot
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Not some kind of data from a rank
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you don't know what you're talking about @ezy
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@jao Why do you think people care about ranks ?
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@Neben because they care about botters
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Letting botting go unpunished sends the wrong message to players too
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@jao Would you care about ranks if this game wasn't online ?
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:30:51Z
@Neben better question: why do we need ranks?
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and they show of with their ranks
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if this game wasn't online no one would play it in the first place
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@noby can u help me to make a perfect anti bot system
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I agree with Cellegen
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:31:18Z
y tho
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Please develop it for us with your infinite wisdom and free time @ezy
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:31:44Z
i was sarcastic feelsbadman
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why do we need to punish botters if you don't care about ranks
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what do you want to punish the botter for?
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@jao true, people care about ranks because people cares about each others
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let's put it this way, would you be satisfied to be second place in a marathon if the first place used a bike?
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Nothings perfect lol
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@Ravie ddnet says they are always busy ddnet makes new client updates that are absolutely useless so they should be able to work on a bot detection instead and just stop developing those small changes (edited)
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:32:22Z
each others? look at vali
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@ezy true
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@Cellegen | HU what is with me
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who are you to tell what ddnet devs should do lol
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if you wanna have it, do it yourself
22:32
simple as that
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:33:07Z
@Deleted User you still dont care about us and its a fact kind of
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@jao I don't think that this philosophy is a sane way of fixing things
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HM we can ASK the community if u want @jao
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Free ryozuku
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Wtf
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We all discussed and agreed bot detection is only heuristically possible and jn the case of ddnet its even more unreliable as its not as obv as aimbot
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:33:24Z
free ryokurwa
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Everxbody will agree with exdy
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botting is more difficult than playing legit imo, why do people even use bots, so hard to handle lul
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@Neben feel free to explain why botters should be punished if ranks wouldn't exist
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:33:48Z
and its less fun doing it
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Its fun coding challenge
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Lol
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:33:59Z
lol
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Ask @noby atleast he knows what it takes to do half decent bot detection
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@jao they destroy the funfactor on block server
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Best reason
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I have no race ranks on my server
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I can tell u more info when i get home im driving rn
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Ok
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@jao You can say whatever you want, but ranks are here because people So if you don't want n9 anymore, or you don't actually care about his future on ddnet, you shouldn't care at all about his ranks
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@jao And you should delete all of them
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huh, you are misinterpreting me
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But we arnt talking only about n9, what is with the anoter botguys
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:36:15Z
amm its not about not caring n9mk0ik after, its about what he did in the past
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its kinda unfogiveable
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:36:42Z
for some people
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I want n9, but as a legit player. that doesn't mean he should go unpunished. he gets the punishment he deserves, but that punishment won't be at the cost of something else
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Fuck him
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:37:24Z
oh chill
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Mute rockus pls
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Antibuguse
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:37:36Z
monkaS
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Wonder if rank is legit
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:37:51Z
it is not lmao
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@jao Ranks are part of a player, when you see a rank, you see all the skills of the player
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@Rockus you are only here to insult people
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So if you don't want N9
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@Rockus btw whats ur ID?
22:38
Hahha
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:38:31Z
@Neben dont call the ranks as your skill personality
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@Neben I just said I want him
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@jao y wrong sentence
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stop insulting @Rockus
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if you have a problem with him, sort it out in pms
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:39:40Z
rockus did nothing wrong actually
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Why deleted my message hu?
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@jao K I understood your point, I agre with you now
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:40:10Z
._.
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missclick
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XD
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:40:30Z
acceptable
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hey gamers
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:40:34Z
hii
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heard a top dog got banned
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Hi
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:40:48Z
yap
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@jao But I still think you should give him the option of remaking a new whole start
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:41:31Z
@Neben that would be a little abusive
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Is n9 Name Banner?
22:41
Banned
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can someone explain to me why ryozuki got banned?
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:41:45Z
a: buse
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Jao abused
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For him to be accepted in the community on the future
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:41:59Z
ryokurwa insulted the king vali
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:S
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:42:11Z
:/
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@Neben players should just trust us that the other ranks are mostly legit
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we didn't not delete them randomly
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Didnt not
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tbh go delete every single rank of thunderbird
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he is a botter
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go check him
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@jao Did they for old botters past ?
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thundercat
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oops
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did what @Neben ?
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:43:13Z
okay that rank shit goes a little bit complicated
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Btw 1 question, can we report cheated ranks on maps? Then they geht deleted to geht a fair Chance for another players to get rank 1
22:43
Throug mapbugs etc
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yeah @Cellegen | HU im confused as fuck too right now xd
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Y after they stopped getting "émotionnel"
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danAmazing 1
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I don't think other botters are comparible to n9
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Emotional"*
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but sure, most have recoverd from botting
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:44:11Z
amm dareka
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dudrer
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For N9 it won't be that ez tho
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players like genex don't have the botter reputation anymore
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:44:21Z
what is your point with this
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He is known a lot as a player
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But not as a person
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but that is n9's fault 😉
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Y so give him this option
22:45
Making a whole new start
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:45:25Z
@Neben look, N9mk0ik did cheat on his own purpose, dont get used to complain about not correctly punishing a botter.
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What i am for the community?
22:45
Tell me pls
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:45:44Z
vali (edited)
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why tho, that's part of the pnishment
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my boi @Deleted User
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and he deserves it
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imo
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:o
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he can make a whole new start on a new name
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isnt that the point of a "whole new start"
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he isnt ip banned or anything
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Punishment is interesting when both community and player earns something
22:46
Now nobody will
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:46:56Z
@jao but the punishment itself requires a minimum amount of action, and that was deleting his botted ranks. that would make it abusive if we delete all of his legit ranks.
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punishment means the opposite of earning something
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lol
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so when ddnet detects a botter do they just delete what hes cheated unfairly and thats it? cuz u could start botting again
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@Cellegen | HU deleting the botted ranks is not a punishment
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Punishment gives you something at the end
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I wouldnt delete the ranks, only top5 ranks, only lock his name
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:47:27Z
hm
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If you are the same after the punishment
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:47:38Z
then what do you want to do about it jao :3
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@Cellegen | HU how u can understood where is legit rank and where is no?
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the punishment is the name ban
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:47:50Z
idk
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in n9 situation
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+ being exposed as a botter
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Then it means it didn't worked
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:48:08Z
propably he had some legit ranks BEFORE the bot existed
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Nameban + delete top5 ranks
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Then its fair enough
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ddnets system with just locking the name is so bypassable: u just make top5 ranks on a lot of different names
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Or make a 1 year van till everybody forgot about it
22:48
Ban
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@jao Ok but community earns nothing from it
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:48:52Z
classic vali
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XD
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what do u want the community to earn from a cheater being punished?
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wtf
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ahahhaha true (edited)
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:49:17Z
.__.
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We did delete the top5 tanks, what do you want us to do? 😛
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if you punish a murderer what does the society get from it?
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Think of him another way than as a botter ?
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Oh
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:49:41Z
He IsNt KiLlEd A mAn
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i don't see the sense of this talk xD
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@jao they get to feel safer dont they?
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so we should punish a botter while making sure the communityu doesnt see it as a botter so the community earns what?
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USA gives him a deathpunishment, germany gives him 25years jail
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You said you wanted n9 as a legit player, I just said that we should give him option to have a new whole start with his actual name
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So lets decide
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:50:26Z
meh i dont think besides you dareka would complain more then anymore else
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@Neben u drunk go sleep
f3 1
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The community earns 1 less botter
22:50
Isnt that enough
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@noby u vote for kill him
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@ezy that's equivalent to a ban, which doesn't seem to fulfill that acording to dareka
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@snail In the end our goal is all the same, keeps integrity
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:51:23Z
@Neben stop complaining if you dont actually know, what is your whole point with that
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Maybe I'm too tired to express myself well
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@noby write back pls in pm
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:51:45Z
:S
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I m driving gimme a minute
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@jao i guess i missed reading smth cuz i had a break
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@jao i wont bother going back and reading
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:52:31Z
@Neben you can try thinking about it first and write your thought without going to missunderstand it or smth.
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@noby how can u write while driving
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what
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Lot of traffic
22:52
Lol
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xd
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u so dumb
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AHAHAHAHAHAH
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Incoming packet traffic
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:53:02Z
onby pro driver
22:53
he has tesla
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this is why murica has much more caraccidents
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cuz nobys writing while driving
lol 4
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XD
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:54:15Z
not just writing, reading every sentences
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He is a stalker
22:54
It scares me
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 22:54:42Z
this is far more dangerous
22:54
vali scared banhammer
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:02:44Z
drama drama
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oops nvm
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It should have a list when admin modify rank to ddnet ( to all can see what is going on / with reason)
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:06:07Z
it has one
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Where
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:06:13Z
in the forum i guess
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I dont find it
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@Learath2 @Ravie since u were asking about the botdetection well if uve played on my server and seen this numbers spam its the main debug output for the antibot, basically each column is a differnt pattern it looks for in a players' consecutive shots/hits/inputs to guess whether they have aimbot | triggerbot | eyefollow | hookbot/hammerbot and if the patterns show up too often to be humanlike based on thresholds ive found from lots of real player data then it votes to ban them
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@jao Ok, I re-thinked about everything. You punished him to make him not bot again, I just thought we could use this punishment as a way to make everyone "happy". If he agrees with it, delete everything about him, to make everyone accept a little more this situation, if he doesn't, then respect rank's integrity as you wanted. I just want to remember that anyway our goal is for all the same, like I said previously, keep the game's integrity, and by just punishing him like you wanted, we won't really earn anything while we could
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i imagine there are types of ddnet bots for which u could make a similar system for
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:07:28Z
there is @Deleted User
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A list where see delete ranks i mean
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:07:58Z
www.ddnet.tw/ranks
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???
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you shouldn’t speak for everyone dareka
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If you see it that mean isnt delete
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:08:38Z
:S
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Uh, that's what you're trying when you say that punish him like this is the best thing for the community
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and you should take some time, emotions etc
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:09:21Z
oh you wanted to put a list of deleted ranks?
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Yes with reason, not only to n9
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I'm not really emotionally touched by this subject, I kinda don't care tbh
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:09:51Z
@Neben this is not personal
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This is just not really coherent
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:10:01Z
he was against the law
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For me to act this way
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yes punishing botters is the best thing for the community because it sets the precedent that botting isnt tolerated lol
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:10:35Z
+1
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@noby punishing him like this
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not deleting legit ranks sound objectively reasonable to me
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Tell publicaly someone is botter is the beginning of a nice punishment
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@Neben deleting legit ranks doesnt "earn something" for the commuinty
23:11
the opposite, actually
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what part of the punishment do u disagree with/
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@noby Just read upper discussion
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and offering him to just start over is also an open door for botters to think they can bot and just dont care if they get busted
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:11:59Z
but with good explanation pls dareka
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@noby dareka thinks it’s a punishment to not delete his legit ranks (edited)
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i think if someone wants to keep their legit ranks after being caught botting then they should have to be the ones to provide proof that they were legit its not fair to waste admins' time looking thru hundreds of runs
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Are botters a real issue ? I mean obviously it seems to be but playing only on ddnet servers i don't recall seeing any cheaters. Or at least if someone was i'm not able to tell the difference with a real player
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:12:24Z
inoocent until proven guilty
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where is the tee constitution when u need it
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:12:33Z
he was proven guilty
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:12:40Z
on one case of many (edited)
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i say this is now a supreme court case
23:12
examine materials in detail
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@jao "You shouldn't speak for everyone" that's why I said you should Ask him
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You can't know if it is for him
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So better ask as an option
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:13:22Z
jao speaks for the trees
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:13:23Z
gosh
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:13:23Z
he is the lorax
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I meant you shouldn’t speak for everyone as if everyone would be ok with deleting legit ranks
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:14:27Z
dareka... you are making this conversation too complicated to understand... botters like n9mk0ik should get his punishment, what actual admins want to decide
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:14:35Z
btw are you suggesting to ask n9 whether he wants his ranks deletd?
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:14:56Z
and why would n9's opinion would change anything???
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@jao No I don't think it's a punishment to not delete his legit ranks xd
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Actually I even wonder if you understand what I'm saying
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you think it’s a punishment that he cant start from the beginning
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:16:02Z
so you want to get his ranks deleted? cuz you think this is enough punishable?
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enough said
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so not deleting his legit ranks is a punishment in your opinion
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:16:15Z
definitive proof
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@jao Nah never said that
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:16:21Z
b&'d
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came across like that
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:16:47Z
it looks like they want to punish in moderation
23:16
a full wipe sounds excessive
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:17:14Z
he said he suggests to delete his ranks for a "new start" bullshit
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and abusive
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against people who uses profiles fairly
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:17:31Z
in the end we're all gaming, there's no cash prize for a tourney win
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just a pat on the back
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if he ruins his own fun and a few others', that's a shame
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:17:43Z
we are playing for fun dude
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:17:52Z
but it's a lil' overdramatic otherwise
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:17:59Z
no its not
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Thx @jao's hairy kebab
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:18:14Z
its okay to make touraments for guessing who is the most skilled player
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:18:31Z
wiat what
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:18:58Z
but for money tho, it wouldnt worth it
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and also what if botters come by
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@jao Anyway whatever we do, he will be punished, and a lot
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Just said both community and player could earns something if we punished him more
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so why punish him at the cost of something if he will be punished no matter what
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Which ranks did you deletes ?
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By deleting all his legit ranks
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:21:08Z
wiat what's the cost of punishing him
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"Just said both community and player could earns something if we punished him more" @jao
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:21:34Z
which is true
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And if it's data that are missinh
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Missing*
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:21:55Z
n9mk0ik getting himself humiliated and we usually deleting his botted ranks
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why earn something for the community if its also at the cost of something
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:22:02Z
whats the cost
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Then make a poll
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Or smth
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@jao No cost at all
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Only botter loses anyway
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:23:04Z
well botter should lose smth
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actual respect
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:23:22Z
who else would lose anything anyway?
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i dont understnad the cost
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Me neither
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:23:51Z
so you say, that if there is no cost for that, we wont get him punished?
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Are you understanding us Cellegen ? Or maybe don't we ?
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:24:26Z
lul
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:24:38Z
im just saying that, its still a fact that n9mk0ik broke the rules
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he will get punished no matter
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can someone give me tltr of bot n9mk0ik
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:25:17Z
tldr he bot
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gg
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:25:30Z
you wanna what
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and how is it proven?
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:25:37Z
he ousted himself it said
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may as well ask jao himself
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:26:22Z
it was proven on the fact that how he got so many good ranks after the replay bot was gotten in public
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read the forum thread for details
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ok thanks
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how does someone cheats like that ? are they just basically copying the movement of other players ? Because it seems you guys are able to find cheaters by comparing multiple runs, someone cheating once per map wouldn't get caught ?
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:27:11Z
replay bot does working on a demo
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oh he did with save copy bot?
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omg i knew it
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but fell in his trust
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:27:41Z
and the worst part is... it was on youtube... by worstwish
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exposing chillerdragon's work
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so baaaasiiicly
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yea i know that
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:28:07Z
chillerdragon was the one
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god damn it how worstwish got that client anyway,??
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tf happened
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fill me in
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there was an explaination somewhere
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there is someone who did a replay bot
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:29:08Z
was chillerdragon so idiot to give it to people?
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don't remember his name, but he could share his client to some people
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:29:36Z
:S that was a problem
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he shouldnt do that
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fuk you jao
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Ascension right
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:29:54Z
n9 botted @loui
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isnt chiller mod
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but with lov
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:30:00Z
gg
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dang i kinda liked him
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Ascension got his own client with replay bot
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:30:08Z
not everything
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most are still legit from what i've seen
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i go sleep now im tired as fk
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wheres the forum post
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:30:31Z
@loui the whole case was about n9mk0ik did bot, we wanted a propal punishment, and now we are going deeper
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:30:33Z
but one dood was p thirsty for blood
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please pin improtant messages
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:30:36Z
wanted full wipe
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for me to understand tomrrow what happend and not read everything
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Have fun!
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good night
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:31:56Z
gn8
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thats an oof
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tbh this community is dying
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half the people bot
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its like a civil war
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stupid open source crap
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gonna make a better teeworlds brb
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:37:32Z
lolwat
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tw has long been dead
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these are the remains
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bu tthat's not to say its in a state of chaos and disarray, i think you overestimate the extent and influence of botting
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gonna be called "shyworlds"
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brb gonna make the soundtracks
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Cellegen | HU 2018-11-08 23:39:45Z
oh people, its like you two are talking about that the earth is flat
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time to learn unity
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jao's hairy kebab 2018-11-08 23:43:11Z
if you're not careful you'll fall off
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wut
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