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Between 2018-09-18 00:00:00Z and 2018-09-19 00:00:00Z

@jao gives 15minute nameban to a botter on their 20th time getting caught just to be able to say he bans botters feelsamazingman

feelsamazingman

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feelsamazingman

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feelsamazingman

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@ezy tell me name of the so obvious botters

06:29

and a few botted finishes

06:30

then we'll review it and ban them if they are actually botting

06:30

because so far everytime somebvody told me "xxx is botting" his only evidence was "his time seems too good for me, thats suspicious!!11!"

06:32

i only know sio

06:36

and yes blockmarks boys are annoying, we ban them when we see them doing shit - what else do you want us to do? we can't have ppl 24/7 on every server, and even if we did they would just end up doing the same shit with new names/skins.. i can't think of any real solution to this as long as we dont want to restrict the access to anyone (aka no account that would disallow new players from playing normally, which would kinda suck for many ppl)

i assume the problem isnt so much the 'obvious' botters who make no effort to hide their botting, its more of the people who only use bots occasionally to help them a little

once again give me names

06:37

lol

i dont play ddnet

whenever we confirm that somebody used a bot even for 1 part

06:37

in a finish

i cant give u names lol

he gets banned

06:38

so why are u throwing claims

06:38

if u have no idea

06:38

about it lol

because i know people who have used bots ? xd

then u can give me names?

no

also thats quite a stupid reasoning

06:39

its like saying cheating in exams is allowed because u know ppl who did it

no its still a problem

they can bot as long as they dont get caught

06:39

doesnt mean its allowed

06:39

we arent the nsa we cant control/detect everything

botting is bad regardless

yes and when we catch somebody doing it we ban him

06:40

now ur just lying to make us look bad

06:40

so thats kinda dumb

i just said a couple obvious cheaters are a smaller problem than people who try to hide it

06:40

wat lol

u said u cant give names coz u dont play ddnet

@noby is a botter partner GWfroggyPoggers

GWfroggyPoggers

then u said u know ppl who did it

06:40

so u lied in either of these sentence

rage

;/

i dont see how u interpret that as a lie

@noby add flags to fng

i dont have to know them through ddnet

"i dont play ddnet i cant give u name" kinda implied u dont know what ppl do on here

well for the most part i dont

06:41

@Amu~Cookie no u

06:42

knowing a few people who have bots doesnt mean i know what ppl do on ddnet in general

yes but complaining about us not doing anything to botter and then refusing to give botters name u might know is also very contradictory isnt it

drama queen

snail

06:49

worstwish is asking for unban

06:49

hes flaming on me

hes asking politely in my server

06:50

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he should see with @jao

@snail not really, i think that ddnet should have more effective anti bot than relying on people to snitch on other players

yes but thats already better thran nothing isnt it?

well yeah but its not solving the problem

it partially is

06:54

its not like botting is widely spread and everyone uses a bot

06:55

and also even if theres no detection, if u see ur botting friend being banned u might get discouraged on doing so again

they arent my friends i lifebanned them all from my server lol

i didnt mean ur friends personally

06:56

if u take 2 friends, both botters

06:56

player 1 gets banned

06:56

player 2 is like oh shit i should probably stop

its like: we dont have a problem with murder. if there are only a few murder, it doesnt matter. no need to do something against the weapons. we will take him out of the door, and if the murder comes back, let him murder

or they take it as a challenge and try to find a way to not get banned

they could

06:57

but most botters are just using random client shit

@snail @jao unban

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pepeH

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and what u said applies to any botting detection tho

06:57

cf ur server

06:57

the harder u try to catch them the harder they try to dodge it

06:58

in the end its endless

true but its still detecting every public bot and every private bot i curently have or have found ppl to test

07:00

which i think ddnet does not do

07:01

yes it can be bypassed and people probably will but it reduces the problem by a lot

well its 2 different gamemodes tho

07:01

and as said i dont think there are that many actual botters in ddnet

07:02

i agree that we should probably autoban the known client ids tho

or at least autokick with msg telling them to "update ddnet client" or something

botting in ddnet doesnt directly hurt anyone unless its a rank 1 /hard finish

07:03

if u bot to get ur rank 50 on a shit map it sucks but no player will ever care about it

07:03

since its not an actual pvp mode

07:03

(obviously we would still ban that person if we found out about it)

07:03

just saying its not as harmful as it can be in fng

ur not wrong but i can see why people would interpret that as ddnet doesnt care very much about botting

Rank 50 on a map with 2000 finishes can sometimes not be easy and unfair for non-botters

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do people actually care whether they are rank 60 or 61? do they even notice? it’s rather the top ranks people fight for and those only count towards rank points

yeah nothing else than rank 1 matters

10:04

fuck the people

10:04

bottes go ahead

10:04

botters*

when you are noob, u can be proud of top50 x). But this exemple work mostly on easy map where everyone can speedrun and bot are unecessary

Like me

I didn’t say it’s allowed or good, but in the end it’s realistic that no player will actually care about it

you have so little empathy to noob people

10:05

you think someone new who reaches rank 50 wont be proud?

10:06

you live in a bubble

sure maybe no one will care if theyre rank 60 or 61 but dont u think its kindof demotivating to know that ur competing with people who are botting lol

you think someone new knows bots, keeps track of new finishes and can identify them as bot? (still not saying botting is ok)

noobs can see someone if bots or not, unless u are starkiller and bot when no one sees u

10:07

i want to remember u that the top1 points guy is a botter

@noby how do you know? unless you see it live, you won’t really. but in that case you can report it to us and that rank will be deleted

it shows a lot about ddnet against botters

cuz u always hear about botting on ddnet

10:08

u dont actualy have to see it happen

unless people get fed by your guys half-truths, they would also hear about us punishing botters tho

XDDD

10:09

punishing like 5991 did?

10:09

giving third chances

10:09

thats punishing a lot

or like what snail said earlier

Can I bottling with vpn?

how do they ban people

AUTO KICK NO DDNET CLIENT or vanilla

u can make bot clients identify themselves as latest ddnet tho

@noby they dont, they name banned them but gave them 3rd chance and they have name back

loll

starkiller should be namebanned

10:10

and he top 1 points

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its a shame

10:11

guy with most points

10:11

is a botter

10:11

and we like happy about it

10:11

making an announcement

and all is fine and nice until someone makes a bot which reads the screen and inputs on the keyboard. How do you detect those?

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10:11

"botter" finishes ddnet

10:11

!!!

I hate this post too @Ryozuki

xD

so you can change point system too, cause eveyone can finish for you making it unfair for those who play legit

no

10:12

u just delete botters points

10:12

or change it to botter

10:12

and not show it in the list

Then need to delete all my points

nor make an announcement

I mean ranking is not relevant already (edited)

programatically its easy

@RonIn boter

@RonIn gg

@Amu~Cookie top 1 points guy is not relevant¿?

@noby no u

no u

i also heard that top1 points guy starkiller used to buy runs or tell another to finish for him

10:13

not sure at all

10:14

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10:14

89999999 pts

wtf? he told someone to finish for him??

10:17

ban that guy

YES

10:17

I finished for him jazz hands 2

10:17

Delete his rank

ok time to delete

But maybe I lie?

i still dont get how ddnet solves the problem of people botting under other players names

we check ip when we can, watch more demos, talk to the guy. but mostly we dont. because botting is not the big problem u are trying to picture

10:32

u "always hear about botters" because u are in communities with botters and are actively fighting them on ur server

10:32

im pretty sure the majority of "normal players" dont give a fuck about botters/botting

10:32

ur point of view is extremly biased xd

snail the unbiased xd

lol i guess thats a fair point too

???????

11:36

did Starkiller bot again

11:36

GWqlabsKek

GWqlabsKek

GWqlabsKek

lik u

I never used a bot lol

no u!

u

suxx.

haxx. (edited)

Ddnet support bots, thats the mainproblem, so dont try to discuss about it, no chance here after 100 discussions with the devs/deen

Wait what? I support bots?

thonkery

We both already discussed about it, we had more than 1 Option, but you didnt accept once of them or dont even tried out

only problem is that open source clients can join freely and equally as ddnet clients.

Use onby bot-detector

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but with feature on it

idk what to do then

for ddnet servers should only players using ddnet client can join.

that's kinda

need to highlight my words "should"

harsh for new players (edited)

then how to make better security

12:00

without breaking some flaw

[6:58 AM] Cellegen: for ddnet servers should only players using ddnet client can join. most new bots are just ddnet client with some stuff added and theres no way for the server to tell the difference

onby shall find a way.

thonkery

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There are lots oft ways, but all are to lazy or its to much work

12:10

of*

man

@Cellegen | HU there is no way to do that.

i gotta wait for snail to come online

12:30

so i can argue with him

@Deleted User so why don't you implement a way to show us if we are "to lazy"?

meh

there is no need for proof

12:32

its a fact

12:32

by now

what's a fact

a thing that is known or proved to be true.

GWfroggyMonkaCop

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12:36

feelsamazingman

feelsamazingman

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@jao what about to make reg for join server on ddnet like an oldschool mods (city, panic , zombie and etc)?

account system would be an option, yea

what about an account system l u l

12:54

oh

just someone needs to do the work + all ranks would become invalid

and snail said that account could be bad for new players , but like on blockers server account shouldn't be mandatory

you can probably implement it in a way that doesn't hurt new players

yeah

12:58

but i don't see a way

12:58

that don't hurt old players

what do you want achieve

13:06

with accounts on ddnet?

13:07

i dont see there any useful things on kog except that people will see if ur a fake or not

13:08

one of the biggest problems then: people with the same playername such as "."

13:08

or people trolling and making accounts for famous players

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13:09

@jao

kog also has the accounts in a way that u can only kick players in kog clan with account

13:09

was a lot easier before

13:09

i dont see advantages in accounts in ddnet

13:09

and that actually is a lot of work

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why can't u just implement accounts

13:11

u can't move until you register or login

accounts are shit

@loui trolls would take names that are not theirs

its lame tbh

@jao

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13:12

pepeH

well it'd be connected to an email instead of a name

banning is more effective with accounts

13:15

faking could also be prevented to some extend

unfair bans would be more effective too

13:16

5991

13:16

u never know

can i get mod again?

Is it my fucking project? Am i developer of Ddnet? No!

13:18

You have lots oft people in your Team, you dont care about all, because you have people, that work free for your project, only for fur or only wasting their useless time

but ur lazy

Lazy was the wrong word

13:18

Tired

get some sleep

jao 2k18

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can some designer make a tees anatomy

u got the feets

13:23

the body

13:24

and the tiny arms sometimes

ddnet against @jao

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how can tees throw the hook so far if they only have hands

how can tees hold a weapon that's the size of their body

they strong

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13:25

now better

13:25

put this on ddnet mainpage

13:25

to show the revolution

like all the other times when jao was about to be smashed. sure this time we will finally ban him

https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6627 @jao

13:30

dont 5991

wow

13:31

you even stole my screen

xd

Btw how long does it take before your account get activated on the forum ?

I think Index checks every second day or something

13:35

what's your account, I can activate it

SP | Someone

13:35

troll

Sora'

13:35

is the forum name

done

Thx (edited)

@Sora' do u like kh2

Yh i do

13:38

who does not tho.

u choose sora cause that right?

13:38

yeah i did back then (edited)

Anyone know what is the command in F1 to switch between dummy and main ?

13:49

toggle cl_dummy 0 1 doesn't work fine , like i need to maintain x to stay on my dummy view

for what do u need it

13:59

just do in settings

shhh

14:04

https://puu.sh/Bx0hv/4d5080bfd7.png @ZimE lier

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wtf

download all skins ur nobo

14:05

and chinese should be ddnet default skin

rename the skin

to ?

default.png

actually i've 2 chinese in my game

lucky you they are usually billions.

whis made 4 chinese skins

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feelsamazingman

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wtf i'm ugly af

14:06

hu wtf @Im 'corneum

14:06

looks weird

14:09

Embedded image

14:09

this should be fine '-'

14:09

but this stupid @ZimE deleted all defaults ddnet skin so that's normal i guess

@jao account system could solve race rankings and having bigger prices

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wow can you not

fkn spam shit

14:14

wanted to post all chinese skins

14:14

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do it in a zip (edited)

fukthis

ya i have all

does someone have a automapper fpr spikes?

how should that work?

shouldnt be impossible if your area isnt a square. at least it should work with 1 tile wide lines (edited)

I assume you want the spikes face away from the grass/unhook they are attached to? (edited)

yes

that's not possible

14:43

a layer doesn't know about other layers

14:43

if you know what I mean

well then it can have two spike on either side and i have to put it behind grass

14:44

depends on the spikes also. wont work if they have shadows

might be possible but I don't know enough about automapper to say for sure, maybe @Ravie can help :D

@Pulsar is the autmapper god

you can detect tiles on another layer with some fuckery xD

just copy game layer

15:02

not that much fuckery

like in autofiller. i have that

then you gotta separate what tiles you want and then make spike automapper aware of those tiles

15:03

but ye not that complicated

just place spikes on kills, rotate them based on hooks/unhooks around and remove the rest, shouldn't be much work tbh

Placing the corner spikes (3 tiles) is the tricky part

actually i think ill do them manually

why would you automap spikes anyway tho

lazy

that lazy?

automapper is like a bot for mapping, corneum is a botter.. makes sense no?

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feelsamazingman

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all gores maps are just automapped grass, gores = botter

ye. and a hammer is just a bot for smashing your hand against a nail.

15:12

its a tool

15:12

fool

you're a tool feelsgoodman

feelsgoodman

saddo

editor is the tool

15:15

automapper is a bot

bottool

that would mean that everyone had to use the exact same tools, and every invention is a illegal advance. and that sounds like communist propaganda to me tbh

u bot @J$ON (edited)

15:26

ddnet is communist

15:26

danAmazing

no one said automapper is illegal

@jao dont fap ingame

dab

hi

hi

hi

hello

first novice map since 2017-08-01

and the map sucks

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@Im 'corneum do a 10/10 novice map pls

@Im 'corneum with lots of useless spaces between the parts troll

troll

i can just stick all the run_maps together

@Im 'corneum yes that would be lo- awesome

16:24

long = awesome kappa

7. Avoid chat-spam caused by carelessly placed on/off-tiles as well as gametile-spam.

18:43

really?

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18:44

put those tiles on the left, it'll avoid chat-spam for real novice players

then you could confuse solo with undeep and fail

well novice players can fail as well

but that's a really dumb fail

it'll teach them to "read" a map

18:46

i saw some people falling 7 times through those tiles

that's ok

if you start not following your own rules...

better than a solution that can fail you

18:47

I follow my own rules, as I said: it's fine in this case

can you write them down please?

?

your rules

.. the solution without possible chat spam has too much downsides + the part is easy, even for novice players (you can get away with just going straight up), so there is no big issue or reason to force the mapper to completely remap it

18:52

so hard to understand?

new novice map but its so short its not even worth for new players

make a longer one

ok

back in time 3 with laser that hook u in tele when u fail

??

back in time [easy]

18:58

xd

back to the future

ok

back to reallife

19:06

our time is now

what is "reallife"

a drug

19:08

tested on the majority of humans

19:10

its purpose was to enhance the social development of humanity :/

19:11

its a letdown

Hu looks pretty bad

@Moderator like 5 blockers on 144.76.197.52:8314 brutal

20:17

also @jao someone impersonating you?

20:18

nvm they got kicked

ye it's a faker

GWimmoThinkPride

Por que a porra do server br fica caindo toda hora nessa dsgç????

Someone knows the exact hitbox (in px) of bullets ?

bullets don't have a hitbox

22:02

bullets are just lines, tees have hitboxes

22:02

(iirc)

You know their size then ?

I don't really remember sorry but you can grep the code for TEE_SIZE maybe or heinrich used it somewhere in his code for the blocker collision

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