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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #1263 Filter for "(connecting)"

We can search for player name (connecting) but we cannot filter them. Please let us filter them!

@jxsl13 if you're logic, you could check the ConStatus function, you can find out that variable

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1239 How do i launch ddnet

[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

c5d69f9 Fix crash with FillSelection - Learath2 af267ff Forgot to remove ASan - Learath2 c4b9f87 Merge #1261 - bors[bot]

06:24

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #1261 Fix crash with FillSelection

[ddnet:master] 3 new commits

f79bf5d selecting multiple quads - Aerll 520aa7d naming & eol - Aerll 36a243e Merge #1251 - bors[bot]

06:47

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #1251 Selecting multiple quads

[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

e2eb4a6 Add Filter for connecting players (fixes #1263) - def-

07:04

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1263 Filter for "(connecting)"

07:06

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #1258 Fix stoppers while retaining backward-compatibility

07:06

[ddnet:master] 4 new commits

4ee5c5a Rewrite stopper code a bit - heinrich5991 e2d3e35 Fix stoppers while retaining backward-compatibility - heinrich5991 25e8685 Add mapbug "stoppers-passthrough@ddnet.tw" - heinrich5991 f8e1056 Merge pull request #1258 from heinrich5991/pr_ddnet_stopper_fix - def-

07:06

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #1254 Rewrite stopper code a bit

07:07

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #1259 Also use sha256 for the mapbugs stuff

07:07

[ddnet:master] 2 new commits

67d36b6 Also use sha256 for the mapbugs stuff - heinrich5991 6f75cff Merge pull request #1259 from heinrich5991/pr_ddnet_mapbugs_sha256 - def-

07:09

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1262 Segfault in FillSelection

Patched fng2 aswell https://github.com/Learath2/teeworlds/tree/fngspoof

Learath2/teeworlds

teeworlds - A retro multiplayer shooter

[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

63c7105 Version 11.4 - def-

feelsamazingman

07:11

nice @Learath2

Since it's not a fork of teeworlds/teeworlds or ddnet/ddnet can't pull request. @Deleted User ^^

[ddnet-web:master] 1 new commit

47c50a6 Version 11.4 - def-

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1260 "Not full" server filter doesn't work when players > limit

07:40

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1248 Colline improvement

07:41

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request opened: #55 changelog for 11.4

07:44

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request closed: #55 changelog for 11.4

07:44

[ddnet-web:master] 2 new commits

2584b42 changelog for 11.4 - Ryozuki f7e5757 Merge pull request #55 from Ryozuki/patch-4 - def-

07:46

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request opened: #56 it's (connecting) not <connecting>

07:47

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request closed: #56 it's (connecting) not <connecting>

07:47

[ddnet-web:master] 2 new commits

53894e7 it's (connecting) not <connecting> - Ryozuki b25156b Merge pull request #56 from Ryozuki/patch-5 - def-

07:48

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request opened: #57 now it's good

07:48

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request closed: #57 now it's good

07:48

[ddnet-web:master] 2 new commits

4c84098 now it's good - Ryozuki d0f8634 Merge pull request #57 from Ryozuki/patch-6 - def-

[ddnet:master] 1 new commit

c3efb38 HTTP options should be saved - def-

thank you @Learath2

@jao @snail do you know maps using the skip-through-stopper, or (the not yet fixed) partial-skip-through-tele or skip-through death bugs?

i think only getspeed 2 does

15:04

rest are cheats

@snail which of these?

brainduck has a part where u abuse the shotgun bug to go through stoppers I think

but u dont fall through them right?

(falling into stoppers still works, not through them though)

well its a skip through stopper or not

but u get teleported above it

15:17

i dont think u actually go throlugh it

then idk what exactly he means

idk ho wit works

15:17

he means going with insane speed through kills/stoppers

what is partial skip through tele?

15:17

shotgun bug gives you insane speed or no?

idk

it's not teleport

15:17

u don't go through tiles

15:18

solid ones

then maybe it wouldnt work

partial skip through tele allows you to enter a teleporter behind another

15:18

but nothing else

15:18

skip through death tiles allows you to skip through death tiles without dying

I think no released map uses the death tiles skip as an actual part

15:21

does Justice 1 use going through stoppers? I think I remember something like it

@heinrich5991 got 1 hour

Just ask @ᶰ°Konͧsti maybe he wants to be helpfull if he is in an nice mood.

no i wont help idiots destroying DDRace

@heinrich5991 u there?

Its unfixable if u dont want to break dozens of maps/ranks

@fokkonaut yes, kinda

15:37

I can get a headset, wait a sec

lets go to the private chat

15:37

nono

Untill now you say there are lots of maps, but you dont give names / numbers which makes your argument invalid.

Better shut up

15:39

ofc i wont tell u names

15:39

because some dumb guy really think its possible to fix code and maps without affecting The game

tell them @n000b the maps if he promises not to tell me or someone related

No

ok

i dont tell shit anyone

15:40

u will not break DDRace

15:40

With ur shit ideas about """Fixing""" code

Hmm i think you are overeacting, sorry i summoned you here. 99% of the players dont even know something has changed xD.

They will if they are unable to finish maps because heinrich fucked them up like Binary tee_thinking

tee_thinking

100% agree with konsti

Binary is just finishable

There is at least one map using kill tiles bug btw

I mean it will be very "funny" if people invest 3h on a map jn team 0 to fail because some retard fucked up physics

which one @Jesus Christ

Don't tell

I dont even remember name and too lazy to search it

remember difficulty?

Moderate probably

@ᶰ°Konͧsti new physics will not apply on those maps. That is why we need names GWbratBanned

GWbratBanned

Binary wasnt finishable for weeks cuz heinrich try to destroy DDRace

15:45

@n000b retarded dumb shit

binary was random tune zone stuff

15:45

its irrelevant

To make physics different

That is why we do want the mapnames before introducing

i will not support any changed physics

15:45

no

the bgufix heinrich did had wasnt supposed to impact the tunezone, its just some weird engine stuff

u dont need names

15:46

just keep The physics like they are

15:46

they are nice

Yeah because we can write exceptions for those maps and everything is the same except you can't use the fixed bugs to cheat maps

15:47

So that is why you are angry

@deen was allways absolutely against changing physics and i doubt he changed his mind

15:47

no im against it because everything went shit since Heinrich joined ddnet

deen >Great, this is finally fixed.

lol thats so wrong

15:47

deen even tried to fix the strong/weak thing

15:48

by giving strong to everyone

Strong/weak is no bug its an important physics

??

15:48

so hypocrite

15:48

lol

@snail oh i checked and it wasnt through kill tile but trough partial tele (edited)

Why would deen try to fix it then

lol snail shut up and play ur boring 2p forced team maps

ah @Jesus Christ i guess thats ok

15:49

nice arguing konsti

@ᶰ°Konͧsti please calm yourselves

@n000b he deleted"fix" when he saw it fucks everything up

spreading lies into insulting

15:49

always a pleasure to "discuss" with u GWfroggyPoggers

GWfroggyPoggers

I dont need to discuss

he deleted "fix" because everyone complained and cried

because i am right and ure all wrong

ye as always lol

Correct

the sad part is that ur actually serious

15:50

with that sentence

Ofc

15:50

u all dont have any plan about playing teeworlds

one day they will know u were the right one my boy its ok

Shut up thanks

[7:41 PM] ᶰ°Konͧsti: […] As i said if the day comes when The physics change i will find and fix every map but i guess people would complain in changing physics anyways. Even The rocket bug caused a big discussion

only if u accept my map/parts using those physics

15:57

U didnt

accept it just to fix it right after GWbruhGalaxyThink

GWbruhGalaxyThink

no those maps will keep the old physics then ofcourse.

oh yea

GWqlabsKek

pepeH

does someone know off-hand where to find the function that clears all the invalid tiles when starting up?

memset

banhammer

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@heinrich5991 this? https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/929/files or in the map editor?

Don't draw invalid tiles by Jupeyy · Pull Request #929 · ddnet/ddnet

I just forgot to fix that, when i was changing the buffer creation. It just prevents invalid tiles, e.g. speedup without force, to be drawn

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #1252 fix #1226

17:40

[ddnet:master] 4 new commits

53e4bd4 fix #1226 - fokkonaut 533d4fe allow for non-vanilla aswell and fixed some stuff - fokkonaut 7a4fa97 fuck this no-space-convention - fokkonaut 46bdc7a Merge #1252 - bors[bot]

Would it be feasible to implement "make install" including data and tools?

18:49

I notice there is a installation feature, but installs just client and server binaries..

mh... it should install data as well. mh

19:16

@Rafael Fontenelle feel free to open a ticket

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #1264 Fix (partially) skipping through teles and death tiles

Previously you could partially skip through teleporters: Line two teleporters up in a line, if you through both of them in a single tick, first, the game would teleport you to the first teleporter's target and then teleport you to the second teleporter's target. This is fixed by stopping to process game tiles after a teleport. You were also able to completely skip through death tiles when moving at high speed.

yo? does the -f option only support relative paths?

19:21

[2018-08-21 21:20:34][console]: failed to open '/home/banbans/bbnet-scripts/cfg/sql.cfg'

._.

19:23

ah wait not the -f option it was the exec command

wait relative paths arent working aswell or where does it start?

19:40

oh i get it only sub directorys no going backwards .-.

19:40

mean!

exec?

19:40

probably to avoid arbitrary file disclosure

yeah

19:41

but it forces me to put all configs in the server binary directory .-.

19:41

back then it was possible

back then any rcon user could read your whole file system

no

also, consider symlinks

19:41

why not?

it says failed to open

19:42

i tried to read my /root/spoof.conf

19:42

and it failed

19:43

probably permissions thing

yes.

so its only the user of the tw server

19:43

which isnt the whole filesystem

yes

19:43

it still is a vulnerability. thing should be a whitelist, not a blacklist

imo it would be better to allow it to have bette rcontrol about the exec command

have you considered using symlinks?

19:43

you have that control

idk baut symlinks

ok, maybe learn about them…? ^^

mimimi

[quakenet] <heinrich5991> irc bridge re-instated, let's see how this works out

yay

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #1265 (Re-?)add proper install target

This puts binaries in bin and the data dir into share/ddnet.

@Rafael Fontenelle does that work for you?

@heinrich5991 do your fix also prevent going through laser door?

yes

19:55

they use the same code

then you broke at least a map

19:56

michler

19:56

ddmax (edited)

19:56

final part you fall down through laser door

19:56

oh

19:56

apparently not

19:57

im sure there was a map where oyu had to fall through a door

19:58

and Runaway map has a secret room that you can only access by falling though stoppers

[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #1266 Add map bug for GetSpeed2

It has a stopper directly between start and end tiles, making it impossible to finish without this bug.

[quakenet] <heinrich5991> deen: I don't know how to shut down a ddnet server location, could you do that for FRA?

20:14

[quakenet] <heinrich5991> (it would be best if you could keep the server online for a little while after all tw servers closed, so that we can still pull the teehistorian files)

PathosEthosLogos

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #1267 Truncate the downloads page with patch notes

https://ddnet.tw/downloads The page is very long now (which is a great sign), but not exactly friendliest towards weaker computers. How about just showing the latest patch notes and having a link to "see more patch notes" for older ones?

20:22

[ddnet/ddnet-web] Pull request opened: #58 Write a short piece of news about the stoppers update

i fucking hate heinrich5991

@heinrich5991 what about the time on old map with tele skip?

20:22

now it's not possible anymore

@Chairn which one?

cant find it

Dozens of maps

20:23

broken

i know it happend very often on an oldschool one

i wonder how u can be so ****

20:23

20:25

DDNet is fucked up

20:25

useless shit

20:26

i hope u all die and especially heinrich this ugly piece of faggot shit dies before he fully destroy DDRace

20:26

I rq

i guess that's not a big loss

well, he demonstrated just before he left…

[quakenet] <deen> heinrich5991: ok

Thats not how it should be expressed but i can understand why he is so angry

20:35

changing physics of DDRace is a bad thing and i really dont like it

[he's had problems expressing himself in civil terms before]

20:35

I see where you're coming from

20:35

there's downsides to changing physics

if you would explain the community what are the bugs you are going to fix i guess the majority dont want it fixed

such as: maps possibly not working anymore/certain speedruns no longer possible

no

what are the downsides you have in mind?

its about The changing itself

hm.

who are you even that you affect DDRace without asking the community they like it?

20:37

i doubt they would if you explain them what will change

I think a complete aversion to any change doesn't help ddnet (edited)

using this special physics to make some funny things (yes also little skips are an important part of DDRace) and they are also be in use for special kinds of parts

20:38

Whats the Problem with these physics?

whats the change?

I dont see any

you can't fly through stoppers with high speed anymore @Xusep

feelsbadman

That destroy a lot of maps

(note that going into stoppers is still supported)

I dont understand how you are unable to understand this

it was nice to get trapped into stoppers for unlimited dj GWqlabsFeelsGoodMan

GWqlabsFeelsGoodMan

heartw

i dont talk about going into stoppers

20:40

Being able to cross doors and stoppers should keep being a part of DDRace

when I create a map, I don't want to keep all the bugs of ddnet in mind

20:41

I would guess that every special case, every bug, is a hinderance for new players to learn the game

For new maps testers have to see the possibility of cheating and on old maps its already used where you cant know of rank1 is still beatable there now

you could get stuck in stoppers in some maps, due to that bug

20:41

it happened to me

Then you should create a NEW bugfree stopper tile

20:41

like with ht

are there new players? GWsetmyxPeepoCry

GWsetmyxPeepoCry

if ddnet fails to attract any new players, it'll certainly die at some point ^^

Kobra 2 rank1 is unbeatable now

20:42

i think on Kobra 2 solo too

cheating maps is an attraction for me lol its like outsmarting the mapper

20:43

but i guess thats not the point of ddr

I think the compromise that Wombat suggested makes sense

I think it is a bad idea to do this

Since we can't know where people flew through stoppers, we should enable the new stopper behaviour for all new maps

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I think its the best idea

But we did the same thing for all other physics changes

20:45

See old shotgun, new shotgun

(not last due to [10:41 PM] heinrich5991: you could get stuck in stoppers in some maps, due to that bug)

Old hookthrough, new hookthrough

you cant now how many maps you just destroyed now

old teleport weapons too

20:46

It's important to help noobs and prevent bugs

these were hard changes though

But it's also important to keep it possible to beat old top times

Is shotgun bug fixed on new maps?

you might be talking about different shotgun bugs (I dunno)

And what about other servers that consume ddnet source code? They might be surprised by this change and forced to maintain a fork

20:47

Maybe I was a bit too quick to merge the change, but I guess it's not running on official servers yet

If you doing this compromise i said i would be very glad

@deen I'm sure they will let us know if that patch prevents anything

Still tons of affected maps

20:48

i dont like changing this in general

there are different concerns: we want to keep map times beatable etc.

20:49

I also have another concern: it should be easy for players, mappers to understand the physics

Yes but its impossible to find all the maps

I think a stopper you can pass through is counter-intuitive

Keep it as a feature

I mean if we want to try so hard, we could probably do it…

20:50

part of why teehistorian exists

no

20:50

teehistorian exists for i dont know 1year?

yes

affected maps are 5 years old

20:50

Believe me as a 10 years player

see, that's the problem, we're all 10 years players here

20:51

hardly any new players coming in

You never play :D

I play from time to time, I have not recently played, that is true

And i think its easier to explain new players that there is a bugged version of a tile and a fixed one

20:53

but try to explain them why some strange thing works on some maps and on some not

I don't think so. I think it would be easier to have one working version of the tile

20:53

that can be alleviated by giving a hint to the player ingame

20:53

if you want this

thats the reason why you added a new hooktrough tile instead of placing them instead of

yes, but it didn't make things easier for players

20:54

now they have to know the physics of 2 hookthrough tiles

20:54

(one doesn't allow to hook if you're right next to the block)

...

e.g.

If you want a clean and reasonable version of DDNet for new players then a rewrite sounds like a good approach. I think for DDNet it's more important to keep compatibility and keep the current players

You still dont understand that there are so many maps :/

rewrites never work(tm)

At workI'm in a team doing a rewrite of our database execution engine, don't say that

^^

20:56

but it seems that our goals for the project diverge there :/

I also dont like that you change such known thing without even tell people about

20:56

nobody looks in this chat

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet-web/pull/58

Write a short piece of news about the stoppers update by heinrich5...

20:57

(there is/was a news piece in the making)

But that's just about unfinishable maps, right?

And as i said there are a lot maps using some special physics (ofc often as skip) and people will rq when they fuck up their time because its suddenly broken

yes. it describes the change though(?)

So if they're still finishable but you take 1 minute longer, then bad luck

lmao

20:58

only a coder think that a player who only wants to play DDNet looks on github what changed

(note that you should interpret deen's statement with quotation marks)

Yes deen

@Wombat those changes will be published on ddnet.tw automatically

(and into the client)

20:58

I think

no, i do that manually

oh ok

I have some rank 1 done by this physics

21:00

thank you for saving my rank for ever feelsamazingman

feelsamazingman

At the start of DDNet I did make some breaking physics changes though

21:00

before the first finishes were done

Who cares then

like fixing doors after team restart

21:01

so if this change came back then it would be 100% ok

But now you affect so many maps and ranks :/

21:01

So please do it as a new tile

if it were a new tile, it would be entirely properly coded and you couldn't go inside of it, I guess

@heinrich5991 I guess it's like C++ and Rust. In C++ they also can't change anything that breaks existing code, instead they create new features on top

@heinrich5991 thats okay i think. I mean if you want buggy features use a buggy tile :D

(i.e. that was not the point of the fix. the point of the fix was to fix the stopper tile while retaining reasonable backward compatibility)

I donate 50€ to DDNet if this change will be deleted

but after hearing the counter arguments from the players we're not keeping 100% compatibility

i.e. retaining everything except the behavior that was annoying

21:03

yes

21:03

that's what a physics change is

21:04

now the right question to ask would be how much it breaks/fixes

bridge is back?

yes

irc had such a peace

Well, we can't do physics changes, except when they allow you to stay at least as fast in every case. for example jetpack was made faster at some point to improve prediction, thus old ranks were easy to beat

21:05

Otherwise when we fix a bug in a map why are we deleting the cheated ranks?

If you are about a pool of maps and ranks you can control its okay

21:05

@deen you do that when you are 100% sure its cheated

21:06

okay except Konsti rank1 there was no Proof needed

21:06

XD

yeah in c++ u see lot of new functions having _s at end due to thread safety

@Wombat We should make the best decisions for the community independent of bribes

feelsbadman

21:07

But its the best thing for community

so. you feel that it's affecting a significant share of the maps and should thus be rolled back?

21:08

@Wombat that money can control what decisions are being made? ^^

Personally I don't know how many maps are affected, I haven't been racing actively since before DDNet was started

Or do you think players will be happy not being able to beat a rank 1?

So I have to trust the judgement of those who race

And u cant know if the rank is even cheated

21:09

@deen a lot of old maps are affected and maps like GetSpeed2 and brainduck are unfinishable

i would add a new tile and tell testers to not accept new maps with old

21:09

so people on other communities can use old tile too

21:09

if they want

Kobra 2 has unbeatable rank1 for example

people in other communities can also use the mapbug infrastructure if they absolutely want that bug

21:10

(or they can talk to us. I don't think that alternative community exists)

im not sure that thing is easily configurable

but they have to add each map hashsum

no

21:10

they can modify the map as well, as you requested, back when it was added

People should be still allowed to use old tile in maps

21:11

Because as heinrich said if new tile he completely fix the new stoppers

21:11

But the physics of old stoppers are nice for maps

how do you evaluate community feedback, @deen? it seems we don't have a useful method for htat

Talk to people

tbh i wouldnt care about difficulty for new players

21:12

even if u do this it will still be a difficult and niche game

21:12

u have to put effort to enter and like this game

I still remember the emojis debacle, where we both have a majority for and against emojis in the client

Listen to their arguments, think about them

21:12

Majority isn't that important, arguments are

I dont see any active player wants stoppers fixed

21:12

especially old players

I don't count as a player I guess, because I play more rarely than others?

"Majority" can be easily manipulated in our case, we won't be able to implement fair elections, that's a much harder problem

I gave you a lot of good arguments feelsbadman

feelsbadman

@heinrich5991 I understand your desire to make DDNet cleaner and easier for newcomers

21:14

and those are good goals, just not above everything else

thanks. that actually helped I think. you're the first one to say that

feelsgoodman

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21:14

I dunno, it shouldn't even help :/

what shouldn't help?

nvm. you're showing that you read what I said, that's a good thing I guess

if u want to make teeworlds easier for newcomers u should continue timakro tutorial implementation

feelsamazingman

2

21:15

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/612

DDNet Tutorial by timakro · Pull Request #612 · ddnet/ddnet

Code reviews are very much appreciated! How it works When a client is started for the first time the following steps are happening. The player is asked for his language. A short explanation of DD...

there's more than one place where making ddnet clearer can be done ^^

@Ryozuki eh, don't tell people who work on a feature that's important to them that they should work on what's important for you

i still think this is a very niche game and hard even if you tell obvious things

Whats you are going to do now heinrich

21:16

-s

well in my opinion fixing stoppers wont make it "lot" more friendly

But break a lot things

the harder thing for newcomers to understand is that they can hook between corners, which is a bug

tee_thinking

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21:17

hardest*

and was fixed in TW

break a few maps and break a (so far undetermined) amount of speedrunning

21:17

in tw 0.7. not sure if that will ever come out

Its not about a few maps..

physically-wise hammer-flying shouldnt be possible

tee_thinking

3

21:18

my eng sucks

it's not? you think there are many maps that need skipping through stoppers, @Wombat ?

Oh

21:18

i maybe know 3

21:19

if doors are also "fixed"

yes, they are

Thats bad

I discovered they use the same physics as stoppers do

that break even more speedruns

in some maps u can skip doors

21:19

depending on the way they are placed

lol thats easy to see that they have same physics

21:20

Stoppers are very hard to skip

doors are easier

doors are very easy to skip

21:20

doors are as easy to skip like blockers

and door skip is used

21:20

i remember

21:20

i think

the tile which stops in every direction

yes

21:21

they consist of all-way-stoppers

21:21

anyway, I'm off for bed for tonight. good night

speeders are also bugged

tee_thinking

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21:21

and those bugged speeders are used in lot of maps

true

where u hold d and u go full stop but when u release it u get lot of speed

Even in new maps

yes

that's actually not speeder's bug, but a speed bug

this trick is used lot more

you can reach the same effect with rockets, and a little bit of patience

this speed bug is also doable with a long way with rocket or with shotgunrun

not sure

don't know if u know what im talking about

yea

I did it on race servers long ago

21:22

yes

21:22

and good night

there is a shotgun bug where u shoot another tee and then jump

Good night, I'm off too

gn

Yes this

21:23

i hope heinrich dreams about how evil his fix is and fix The fix tomorrow feelsgoodman

feelsgoodman

(edited)

GWqlabsFeelsGoodMan

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@heinrich5991 add a prediction for laser walls, this weird bubbling is not cool

ive read some of the messages here and @heinrich5991 im also not a big fan of the new behaivour. Its like you dont like the teleport gun. But this right here breaks maps, as @Wombat told many times.

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