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Between 2018-08-15 00:00:00Z and 2018-08-16 00:00:00Z
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sorgaxD 2018-08-15 00:09:49Z
if i set 0 jumps i can still jump in stoppers, do you know the tune? D;
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plsplsplslol 2018-08-15 00:15:07Z
you can still jump wh
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sorgaxD 2018-08-15 02:42:07Z
i did it with air_jump_impulse 0 😄
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timakro 2018-08-15 12:15:18Z
@heinrich5991 @Ryozuki I am not sure. I think its definitely more elegant to have separate weapons for the tele weapons. But them beeing very similar to the standard weapons, basically having them doubled in look, feel and physics would be a missed opportunity then. Grenade and gun just differ by their curvature value. So maybe it would be smart to invent 2(?) completely new weapons that are designed for the purpose of making the teleportation fun. For example one gun could have the projectile behaviour of the gun/grenade and the other the instant range based properties of the rifle. Then we could ask new questions like: Should the teleport gun have a delay or be instant? Should it show a projectile? Should it have cool particles or are they distracting? I wonder if we got any/enough feedback from the beta phase to design those weapons. (e.g. Maybe people don't want the rifle behaviour and only the grenade behaviour or vice versa?) P.S. 1: Showing static projectiles in vanilla (without changing tunes) that don't jitter is possible. I did some stuff with projectiles for fun on @ChillerDragons block server. (There was some trickery and predicting required, I could dig up the code) P:S. 2: The problem is that I don't feel motivated to do this. It's a lot of work and someone has to find time for it (edited)
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GitHub BOT 2018-08-15 12:41:47Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #1254 Rewrite stopper code a bit
Remove the whole copy-and-paste mess. A seemingly ineffective and apparently code block has been removed.
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heinrich5991
[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #1255 Remove the unused import of the deprecated imp module
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Learath2
[ddnet:dd_pr_circle2] 1 new commit
607b718 Install deps on the fly - Learath2
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GitHub BOT 2018-08-15 12:56:47Z
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[ddnet:master] 4 new commits
d19b73d Try migrate to CircleCI2. Fix #1229 - Learath2 36704d5 Try a prebuilt container - Learath2 607b718 Install deps on the fly - Learath2 3e493bf Merge branch 'dd_pr_circle2'. Migrate to CircleCI 2.0 - Learath2
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request closed: #1246 Try migrate to CircleCI2. Fix #1229
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1229 CircleCI 1.0 deprecated
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 12:57:10Z
@Learath2 https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/1246#issuecomment-413189177
Try migrate to CircleCI2. Fix #1229 by Learath2 · Pull Request #1...
WIll try one more thing before merging.
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Learath2 2018-08-15 12:58:03Z
What does which flavour of nix we compile on matter?
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 12:58:25Z
older versions of stuff
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*different versions
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(but in this case, older)
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Learath2 2018-08-15 13:00:49Z
Well I tried trusty but it kept getting me errors with apt, just got pissed somewhere along the way and dropped it
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 13:00:54Z
ok
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the rest would still be nice
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GitHub BOT 2018-08-15 13:19:54Z
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[ddnet:master] 1 new commit
9ce45dd Ignore bors temp branches - Learath2
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Learath2 2018-08-15 13:20:47Z
@heinrich5991 ^^
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 14:08:57Z
how do you map doors? 😦
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@Learath2
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Learath2 2018-08-15 14:09:14Z
No idea 😦
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 14:10:53Z
know a map with doors?
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 14:12:21Z
place the tile that say "door" on it. and a laser with the lenght of your choice (3,6,9) besides it
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 14:12:54Z
okay, I think I did that
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it only shows a laser dot though (is the door open)
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how do I assign a number to the door?
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 14:13:41Z
then the door is opened. that shoul donly work with doors placed in the switch layer tho... or you turned it on by default with a server command
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 14:14:28Z
oh, doors have to go in the switch layer
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 14:14:42Z
if you want them to close and open, yes
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and there is a button called "switch" which lets you choose the number and delay for that number
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 14:16:23Z
ah, thanks, works
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is there usually prediction for doors?
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 14:16:53Z
no. doors are always wobbly. but i think they act like stoppers if that helps
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 14:17:13Z
interesting
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because I see that someone tried to add prediction for doors in the client 😄
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 14:17:44Z
recently?
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 14:18:01Z
no
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ah, maybe I misinterpreted
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Learath2 2018-08-15 14:28:06Z
@heinrich5991 how is the http serverinfo stuff going btw?
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oh and could we store more in the teehistorian files? maybe when a tee starts a race etc
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 14:33:11Z
@Learath2 currently working on fixing the stoppers (as you can see)
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we can store more information in teehistorian
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however I think race starts aren't a good thing to store
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we should rather work on finally reading the teehistorian files and replaying them so we can get the race start times from there
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teehistorian files are supposed to store "input" into the server, not what it calculated
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 15:12:30Z
@Learath2 it seems that bors does not recognize the new circleci status reports
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ci/circleci: build ci/circleci: pre_test ci/circleci: test
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in bors.toml, we have
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ci/circleci
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Learath2 2018-08-15 15:18:07Z
Well test passing means everything succeeded
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 15:38:53Z
@Learath2 do I need to check all three, or just the last one?
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Learath2 2018-08-15 15:40:02Z
The last one cant possibly succeed without the others succeeding
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 15:40:06Z
ok
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GitHub BOT 2018-08-15 15:41:58Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Pull request opened: #1256 Update bors.toml for CircleCI2
Status report names have changed.
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 15:42:12Z
@Learath2 if you merge it, do it through bors, please
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that will automatically check whether it works now
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 16:33:03Z
how will u fix stoppers if they are used in many maps
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and what u have to fix?
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Learath2 2018-08-15 16:39:55Z
Look at the diff, it's cleanup, can't change behaviour
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 16:58:06Z
for some reason, my grenade bullets dont rotate
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 16:59:01Z
then its not a fix but a cleanup 😋
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 16:59:25Z
fix coming later
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 16:59:41Z
how?
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:00:10Z
if you go entirely through a stopper (not just into a stopper), you'll be stopped before you can pass completely through
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:00:46Z
u sure no map uses the feature to go completly trhough?
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the cleanup is really needed lol
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:01:00Z
yes @ cleanup
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:01:04Z
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xD
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madness
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:01:55Z
no, I don't know if maps use "entirely going through stoppers"
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:01:56Z
@heinrich5991 what about ninja?
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:02:05Z
ninja will continue to ignore stoppers
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:02:47Z
and what about parts that need glitchy stoppers?
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:03:03Z
"if you go entirely through a stopper (not just into a stopper)"
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:03:04Z
That is still possible
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:03:20Z
but that's not what the PR does
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the PR only does a code cleanup
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while maintaining behavior
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:03:43Z
so when do you actually stop? when youre at the lowest possible point in the stopper?
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:03:51Z
yes, that's what I imagined
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:04:00Z
that could be useful actually
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:04:04Z
argh
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:04:09Z
no i mean as a mapper
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:04:09Z
arg?
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:04:48Z
@Im 'corneum remember that going into stoppers is kinda non-deterministic
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:04:52Z
we also dont know if that fix improves times in some maps
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from my experience going in a 45º (not sure exactly right now) angle is what makes u go more deep (also speed)
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:06:12Z
u need konsti and pipou
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tlol hes here 😄
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:06:18Z
lol
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:06:21Z
@Tasar https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/argh#Etymology_1
argh
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@Ryozuki ^
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2018-08-15 17:06:27Z
@heinrich5991 i dont want to sound rude
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:06:27Z
xD
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Jesus Christ 2018-08-15 17:06:30Z
konsti has been summoned
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2018-08-15 17:06:33Z
but if u fix stopper
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i lose any respect from u
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:06:49Z
common konsti message
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:06:54Z
okay we need pipou for help then 😄
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Jesus Christ 2018-08-15 17:06:58Z
xD
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:06:58Z
Lol
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:07:01Z
yes xd
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2018-08-15 17:07:05Z
falling through stoppers is used in maps as supposed way lmfao
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:07:17Z
which ones?
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which ones use the features to go fully through
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:07:25Z
Falling in not falling though?
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:07:27Z
not just partially
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:07:31Z
i think that one pink easy solo has a part like that
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2018-08-15 17:07:52Z
@heinrich5991 i know map which use falling through stopper as last part
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its my own map
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GetSpeed2
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nobo
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:07:59Z
Lol
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:08:12Z
well we had maps deleted before....
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:08:17Z
U nobo
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2018-08-15 17:08:25Z
u
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heinrich is the worst thing ever happened to DDNet
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I hope he soon go back to vanilla
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:08:59Z
but he is right. @heinrich5991 could it be possible to make fixes only work for maps released from then on? also for later issues?
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:09:11Z
@Im 'corneum https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/9ce45ddc6efa7224abbd4a85ebbc54ba7020f640/src/game/mapbugs_list.h
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ddnet - DDraceNetwork, a mod of Teeworlds
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:09:12Z
he implemented somehting that does that iirc
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2018-08-15 17:09:13Z
Just release a NEW tile
f3 4
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don't fix the old ones
f3 4
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:09:51Z
I ment https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/9ce45ddc6efa7224abbd4a85ebbc54ba7020f640/src/game/mapbugs.cpp#L39
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this is our current list of special-cased maps
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:10:31Z
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:10:38Z
ok
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:10:41Z
i see only binary
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:10:45Z
yes
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:10:45Z
Oups
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:10:47Z
that's the only one
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:10:51Z
ah okay
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:10:52Z
right now
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:10:53Z
are u doing limits
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:11:06Z
Local comparison
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:11:28Z
and why u sent that here? xD
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:11:37Z
so the settings change for binary as they do if you vote a solomap?
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:11:45Z
@heinrich5991 was going to send that in a dm, where have I gone wrong?
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:12:55Z
@heinrich5991 i dont like exceptions, cause then people dont understand old/new physics and why it is different.
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:13:12Z
that's why they're rare and should not be use
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d
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@Learath2 logically, the left term of the sum is roughly x, the right is x², the bottom left is 3x², and the right one is basically a constant
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so you should get 1/3
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@Learath2 I don't quite get what you're doing there. are you doing a taylor expansion?
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:14:35Z
Dunno why we would change stopper physics and how many maps will be affected, but i think it is not really needed i guess.
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:15:01Z
@n000b because people try getting large speed to skip through stoppers
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that makes it hard to map and is unintuitive for mappers
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(and for me)
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:15:21Z
i think testers can handle stopper bugs. but then again. they didnt on that brutal map by blagk
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:15:43Z
Maybe you should make a new tile and fix the few maps they are trying to cheat
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:15:59Z
or fix the goddamn problem in code once and for all
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:16:00Z
or fix the even fewer maps that use it
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:16:13Z
Hmm
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Well i dont really care. Maybe this is indeed the best solution
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2018-08-15 17:17:12Z
?????
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its god damn easy to avoid people cheating through stoppers -.-
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by mapping
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not by code
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:17:45Z
@heinrich5991 its local comparison, supposed to be able to substitute in sn equalivent expression
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2018-08-15 17:18:00Z
but heinrich cant know it cuz he dont know shit about mapping and playing
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:18:03Z
@Learath2 haven't heard of the method before, let me try wikipedia
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:18:04Z
@ᶰ°Konͧsti problem is mappers are nobo's
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2018-08-15 17:18:10Z
u r
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:18:14Z
Ikr
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2018-08-15 17:18:18Z
for what we have testers
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:18:23Z
@ᶰ°Konͧsti tone it down, please
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:18:28Z
Landau symbols for another name
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2018-08-15 17:18:56Z
@heinrich5991 then dont have bad ideas to destroy ddrace
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:18:57Z
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?search=local+comparison
Special:Search?search=local+comparison
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:19:23Z
@ᶰ°Konͧsti problem is there are only a few people who are looking to cheat maps like this. That is why tester dont see it
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:19:34Z
Wikipedia is banned in turkey
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:19:37Z
wat
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WAT
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:19:47Z
😄 really?
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:19:51Z
are they even pretending to be a democracy?
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freedom to inform yourself is pretty substantial for a democracy
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:20:12Z
learath you got to get out of there
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:20:31Z
is tor browser blocked? maybe you can just use that to access wikipedia?
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:20:40Z
And come with good arguments otherwise you are only making useless discussion @ᶰ°Konͧsti
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:21:05Z
couldnt you use translator as a proxy?
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:21:09Z
Wikipedia has been banned in turkey for the last 2 years
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:21:17Z
GWcorbinMonkaGIGA
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:21:40Z
official reasoning?
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:22:02Z
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_of_Wikipedia_in_Turkey feelsamazingman
Block of Wikipedia in Turkey
On 29 April 2017, Turkish authorities blocked online access to all language editions of the online encyclopedia Wikipedia throughout Turkey. The restrictions were imposed by Turkish Law No. 5651, due to the English version's article on state-sponsored terrorism, where Turkey ...
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:22:04Z
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Block_of_Wikipedia_in_Turkey
Block of Wikipedia in Turkey
On 29 April 2017, Turkish authorities blocked online access to all language editions of the online encyclopedia Wikipedia throughout Turkey. The restrictions were imposed by Turkish Law No. 5651, due to the English version's article on state-sponsored terrorism, where Turkey ...
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:22:05Z
They kept reediting erdogans page :)
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:22:06Z
😄
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:22:23Z
Well not really official
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2018-08-15 17:23:46Z
@Learath2 use proxy
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@n000b we dont need to have any discussion, Heinrichs idea to """fix""" stoppers will not happen
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:23:48Z
not really official bcs they blocked all their outlets? 😄
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no srsly tho. wasnt it possible to copypaste a blocked link into google translator and abuse that as a proxy?
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:25:07Z
Universities in Turkey with eduroam coverage has full access to Wikipedia. Hence other Wikimedia projects aren't blocked in Turkey, Wikipedia is also accessible and available for article editing (which is not possible with most of VPN services) by accesing any Wikimedia site first, after using any DNS extending service.
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:25:10Z
@ᶰ°Konͧsti Say we decide to implement a fix for it, (not that we will) what will you even do about it 😄
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@heinrich5991 Interestingly enough I can't find anyone else doing this kind of calculation for limits :/
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I doubt it's possible that our teacher came up with this so I must have the wrong name for it
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but it has the same justification as plugging a taylor polynomial instead
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2018-08-15 17:27:11Z
Paying 1year ddos
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GWbruhTrolled
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OK just kidding
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:28:05Z
@Learath2 at infinity, the taylor polynomial seems rather useless
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you write + o(x²) there, but it's not true
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:28:37Z
oh yeah, stupid...
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it's bounded. it's just flat out o(x^2)
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:30:27Z
@ᶰ°Konͧsti i still heard more pro's than con's so i see no problem.
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:30:33Z
@heinrich5991 well nice catch
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ᶰ°Konͧsti 2018-08-15 17:32:03Z
@n000b or u just shut up
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n000b 2018-08-15 17:32:33Z
Then you know it is going to be implemented
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:38:52Z
@heinrich5991 guess that means it worked ^^
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:38:56Z
yep
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Learath2 2018-08-15 17:41:14Z
Also @Im 'corneum I'm already out, just back for holidays
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Im 'corneum 2018-08-15 17:41:24Z
ah nice
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ChillerDragon 2018-08-15 17:51:56Z
http://puu.sh/BeK7R/2065e0ed91.png ppl made fun of me but i got my first fanmail http://puu.sh/BeK8L/3443bc2e87.png
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:52:22Z
@heinrich5991 someone is doing weird things inservers
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nuclear test sv full
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some kind of exploit
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i know they arent connected there
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ChillerDragon 2018-08-15 17:53:13Z
ask @noby
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im sure he knows a fix
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:53:32Z
this is more a masterserver issue
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i think
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ChillerDragon 2018-08-15 17:53:42Z
onby fixxes even masterservers
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onby baws
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Xen 2018-08-15 17:54:12Z
teeworlds is burning
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:54:29Z
that's only non-ddrace servers and passworded ddrace servers
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those don't have spoofing protection
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:54:48Z
why passworded ddrace dont have protection
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:55:10Z
I don't know, I'd guess that it just doesn't work, in a compatible way
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Ryozuki 2018-08-15 17:55:13Z
but it is also bad, it messes ur filters, e.g to join the sv with most people
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(most real ppl)
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heinrich5991 2018-08-15 17:55:41Z
we could forbid vanilla clients to join our passworded test servers, that would probably work
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.d 2018-08-15 18:36:10Z
I see the same issues with the servers http://i.imgur.com/PhgiG9V.png
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18:36
so it's a master server thing? I just wanted to play 😦
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n000b 2018-08-15 18:37:41Z
U can play on empty servers
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.d 2018-08-15 18:38:44Z
1on0 - my favorite mode
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Learath2 2018-08-15 18:39:20Z
Its a vanilla and passworded server issue, not a masterserver issue
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and/or
18:40
Passworded servers because eeeee couldnt come up with a vanilla compatible spoof proof handshake that worked with passworded ones
18:41
Vanilla because vanilla has no spoof protection at all
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Sometimes I feel we should just break vanilla compat but then I feel our base isnt that clean either
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Amu~Cookie 2018-08-15 19:11:05Z
I agree with you
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GitHub BOT 2018-08-15 20:22:56Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #1257 Exploit
I'm sure you already know !1
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NeXus 2018-08-15 20:38:14Z
Maybe you should contact exec, his blocker servers never have any issues
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deen 2018-08-15 20:38:49Z
What a coincidence...
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NeXus 2018-08-15 20:39:55Z
He gets attacked for sure too
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GitHub BOT 2018-08-15 21:21:04Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue closed: #1257 Exploit
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GitHub BOT 2018-08-15 21:31:25Z
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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue reopened: #1257 Exploit
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