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Between 2018-06-28 00:00:00Z and 2018-06-29 00:00:00Z

I can only tell u this in private

do ddnet admins not like pranks?

also pls fix ur server. when I zoom out it says "nice zooz nobo" and the screen wants to give me epilepsy.

00:02

@noby sadly no

00:03

most of them at least

nice zooz nobo

troll

not going to fix it

00:03

zoom is cheat and the map doesnt know whether u r in spectator mode

3

00:04

why would they not like pranks

most of them don't have a sense of humor

no mod complaints here

2

btw what do forum warnings do?

it reminds u that u broke a rule

00:40

and it means if u keep on breaking rules ull get a ban most likely

is there a max number when I get banned automatically?

i dont think theres a clear rule about that

00:46

but usually a repeated offense right after a warning nets u a short ban

00:47

and ban length increases if u break rules at ur unban obviously

00:47

if a while passes then its another warning instead

00:48

u should just not be rude and u wont have to worry about it thonkery

thonkery

I wouldn't, but my first warning was pretty unreasonable

00:48

aaa issued it, and when I pmed him, he didn't even bother to explain why he gave it

hes rude fuck him thonkery

thonkery

troll

1

but if it won't result in permanent ban, then I don't rly care tbh

00:49

he can issue his warnings then if that makes him happy

@jao i didnt complain of any mods?

Prankster

00:49

Fuck you

your comments were related to it

@Silex go 2 bed buddy

i just said gdin had a bad taste in moderators then mentioned 2 mods that were recently promoted by him when hes been away for so long

Im already in it Prankster (edited)

00:50

With ur mum

why are you so lame

@Prankster warning and banning people doesnt make me happy really, i would be happy if people stopped creating drama and flaming each other. heinrich locked ur thread with a reason and u just created another one to complain again (aka polluting forum => we dont want that behaviour so u got a warning)

: P

pls no user complaints here

00:51

it will start a witchhunt

feelsgoodman

2

True

hey @Learath2

00:52

‍♂️

@snail no, my first thread got locked because it contained public mod reporting, so I made a new one without that

?XD

00:53

u also complained about learath

00:53

in the 2nd one

@Learath2 unban me pls

00:53

Dude I was begging for help

00:53

I needed to keep a minimal amount

i explained in the first thread why the discord ban was deserved

00:53

and we both know it was tho

lol no?

I still dont get why we need to tolerate you when you didnt say/do one thing positive since I first met you

pls explain why it was

00:54

@Learath2 nice joke

I think you qualify for an award or something, most other trolls are part time

I helped a lot

00:55

carried lot of ppl on maps

im not gonna play ur game @Prankster

protected them from Mithrandir

feel free to pm me another wall of text tho

00:55

ill be happy to answer it again

@snail kk, as you wish, I still think it was just Learath2 getting pissed off over me

Hmm I think I'll follow @snail on that one, arguing with a piece of rock is more productive

well @Prankster people on discord at that moment also thought it was justified, including 1 or 2 mods and myself

@Learath2 and my positive thoughts on forum?

when multiple staff members think its justified i doubt it was an abuse

@snail if you made a vote, I would've accepted a 5 mins ban from discord

so we have to make vote before banning now? thonkery

thonkery

I'd prefer it

Did someone say Ryozuki?

XD

but obviously you do whatever you want

@Learath2 but if u ban or mute its censorship

00:58

sendhelp

5 minute ban from discord

00:59

lmao

We should make a poll about tolerating obvious trolls

01:00

If it comes out no we should just ban all of them on sight

Pls explain why I am an "obvious troll". You guys just keep accusing me with empty statements

Everyone knows what you are

dude

01:01

this is not an arguement

I can give you that and a demo of you blocking and thats about all I can because its not easy to collect evidence on your kind of troll

ok

01:02

send it please

01:03

finally someone with proof

01:03

I want to see what is considered "blocking"

If I send it and everyone agrees you blocked I'll never tolerate you on a server. Deal?

nah

GWfroggyBlobThonk

Yeah thought so

01:04

I'll get some sleep, night

I thought so

01:04

just an other non existent demo

@Prankster ur an obvious troll because all ur trying to do is waste peoples time xd

and he succeeds GWsetmyxPeepoCry

GWsetmyxPeepoCry

01:05

ignoring trolls is harder than the internet tries to make you believe

on fools like @Learath2

01:05

GWchadThonkery

If I ignore him hi leute and ryozuki get mad

if I didn't get banned, I didn't complain, nobody would waste his time

GWsetmyxPeepoWeird

1

All trolls deserve equal treatment for some reason

01:06

Now I'm actually going to sleep

but if I get abused, how can you expect me not to cry out for help?

01:06

k goodnight

01:07

hope you dream with me

what

2

i vote no

dude why am I still banned?

blockers should still be banned but "troll" is such a wide category

but he's both GWfroggyPepoSmug

GWfroggyPepoSmug

[8:00 PM] Learath2: We should make a poll about tolerating obvious trolls was more replying to this

@noby don't fall for him

01:10

strangely they say I am a troll, a blocker, a funvoter etc

01:11

who is widely known as

sp someone is troll troll

troll

how mean of ddnet to all come together and conspire against an innocent player like u

but interestingly no demo was posted in public that proves it

onby is an obvious troll

4

"i'm not crazy, everyone else is crazy" lol

lol

no im not

I mean if everyone knows it, why hadn't been noone who recorded it? is it only me who uses autorecording?

who is prankster

@plsplsplslol thanks for destroying @Learath2 's arguement

01:14

@noby they claim a lot of things, but they can't prove it

01:14

however if you ask me, I can back up most of my claims with proof

ok prove uve never blocked anyone ever

01:14

lol

cause people aren't constantly fucking trying to get a clip of something that they can make some random mod look bad with like you do prankster. Normal players just want to play the game and not deal with your bullshit. Having to record demos of your bullshit is already too much effort GWfroggyPepoSmug

GWfroggyPepoSmug

@noby when did I claim that?

idk

01:15

didnt u

01:15

kindof imply it at least

and that's almost impossible to prove

01:15

I would need to send all my demos I have and even those I don't

01:16

all my gameplay in teeworlds

yes

01:16

send it to learath2

01:16

he will watch every minute of it

01:16

to make sure u r not blocking

@noby I dubt

01:16

but

to find a reason to b& u

@noby I have a nice demo of him abusing me

post

before I became known as a troll

01:17

I can't, jao will ban me

01:17

but, my plan is to make it a video

01:17

upload to youtube/send it in private to a trustful admin

learath is a trustful admin

@Learath2 I thought you went to sleep..

not like I can sleep instantly

it's almost like someone keeps @ ing him GWfroggyPepoSmug

GWfroggyPepoSmug

thonkery

2

pls unban me finally

@ing

01:21

Prankster

@Silex aren't you supposed to be working on your next map?

silex..

Weak ass diss Prankster

01:22

Sorry jao

01:22

gn8

bye

good neight

post all ur mod complaints in the fng chat where they wont be censored feelsgoodman

feelsgoodman

https://discord.gg/GZ5VtP

fng sucks

u

pls don't send links to servers without censorship

thonkery

2

I just joined

feelsgoodman

2

so did learath

01:25

lol

01:25

wtf learath joined enemy server

banhammer

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does anyone still play fng?

1

rly

only noby and botters

fng died when the banned using zoom

Image attachment

lol

seems like a botter is the best fng player

i was thinking about making a second server where zoom was allowed and clearly labeling it as such

01:28

and lol no

lol

01:28

feelsamazingman

banhammer

@noby

how else would you get so many kills

the ddnet client wont allow zooming on fng servers

thats what the second server would be for

humans can't play 24/7, only bots

it would be labeled something else so ddnet would be able to zoom there

secretly send zoozers to separate server

yea

01:28

lol

01:28

[8:28 PM] jao: humans can't play 24/7, only bots play a lil bit every day while watching over the srv

it would need to be labled DDNet for zoom

or ddrace or smth ye

Race, DDNet, DDRace works I think

@noby I use ddnet client. DDNet client doesn't count as a cheat client. DDNet client has inbuilt zoom in it. Then why can't I use it?

it wont let u use the zoom while playing modes that arent race

01:29

unless u modify the code (read: cheat)

you just don't snap people outside the standard zoom right?

it snaps anyone within 1000x800 dist to each side which is a little bigger than dyn radius in every direction

01:30

this is still a huge advantage over someone who uses dyn or static lol

01:30

360° dyn that doesnt shake

@noby check my client version if u don't believe I use ddnet

very easy to change

01:31

and most zoomers are using ddnet anyway

01:31

just edited a bit

ban all zoomers

ban dyn then

ddnet 11.3 will support zooz on noby fng server danAmazing

danAmazing

im working on making zoom detection

ban rendering tees in a certain distance

01:31

ez fix

Image attachment

01:31

im working on it

01:31

dw

ima sleep now so please stop chatting so there isnt 500 unread messages when i wakeup

i had to handle bots first

@noby download today's nightly build and try zooming!

you legend (edited)

don't share bot code here @noby

ony

01:32

onby

then mute

do it for ddrace pls

feelsamazingman

pls pls pls

feelsamazingman

zooz is allowed in ddrace

not that

01:32

start coding for ddrace

ddrace sux

no u

look at all the ugly constants there

xd

feelsbadman

when i said im working on it

01:33

i mean because

01:33

well u already saw lol

do demo converter

the code is ugly

01:33

and not finished

01:33

demo converter to what

mp4

all onbys code is ugly and unfinished (edited)

@noby this is real time wasting lol and you accuse me of doing that?

i never accused u of that

zombietoad you're a good guy now

01:33

?

@ZombieToad no some of it is finished

ok some of it is finished and ugly

@noby you are just destroying your own mod

xd

01:34

wat

@Prankster

01:34

no

lolwut

he's fixing it

its not my own mod, fng has been a thing way longer than i even knew what tw was

01:34

im just adding different anti cheat stuff to one server

he's making it playable

01:34

and all the cheaters are getting mad

feelsgoodman

@noby banning zooz resulted in a very big decrease of players

if(str_comp_nocase(m_aClients[cid], "prankster"){ Ban(cid, "no trolls"); }

lol

i just hit 500 bans a few days ago

01:35

and lol

01:35

source?

01:35

i dont know anyone who literally stopped playing fng because of this..

01:35

they either edited their client to keep cheating, or didnt

allow only one client

I pledge to add that to ddnet next patch if you vote me your supreme leader

@Learath2 don't add that, it installs a virus

how do u know what client someones using

#allowonlyoneclient

01:36

idk

01:36

you're the dev

01:36

not me

idk either

sadly it's not possible

it must be possible

01:36

EVERYTHING IS POSSIBLE

u realize that the reason i spent so much time making a system to guess whos botting based on their mouse inputs

01:36

is because that was easier than knowing what client ppl have

we could allow people to only use versions of ddnet compiled by us, but that's easy to reverse engineer and fake

its almost impossible to do what ur saying with an open source game

@noby I stopped playing since then. The moment that shitty zooz screen welcomed me

well good

that sucks

01:36

make accounts a thing

thats what its for

01:37

to annoy cheaters so they go back to blocking in ddrace feelsgoodman

feelsgoodman

LOL

@noby don't worry, I can block on your shitty server as well

accounts would be nice but wouldnt help i think

but sadly they ban there too fast

yeah doesn't help

ik u can block but

01:38

yea my mods arent very nice either

it does

lol

@noby probably as bad for blocking as kog

its fun to block on kog

01:38

lmao

it'd be nice if all the major server groups use the same account system, then getting banned is a major issue

yesss

01:38

why don't you all partner?

@noby lol you get banned if there's one more f3 than f4

ik it sucks

onby, instead of working on your own server why don't you work with ddnet staff to implement on fng ddnet

cuz my friend has vpses and she let me use them for free

@Learath2 like mcbans for minecraft

@Learath2 do some more valuable stuff than shitty accounts. Like bring emojis back

votekicks shouldn't be allowed on fng servers tbh

basing fng on ddnet is meh

it's not meh

@Rockus what about people who intentionally block

it's merging communities

ddrace code rips out most of the damage code

@Learath2 i already did recode fng from ddnet base lol

those people

i only did it for the netcode but it now supports all ddnet features

get banned

well as of 10.8.6

@noby kog is only good for funvoting. ez to get some random dude banned there

ACCOUNTs

>:)

you ban those peopel

I want to write a clean copy of ddnet from vanilla

i never funvotekick people

but I'll never have the time for it :/

just funvotechangemap

01:40

more efective

@noby nah, they veto it

not always

lol

lol

01:41

belive me

01:41

also idk about accounts

01:41

but ill send ddnet a copy of my banlist if they want lol

believe me

01:41

make accounts

trust me dude, if you want to pull off an epic prank you have to kick vote

and ban bots forever

but that only kicks one player

01:41

changing the map could fuk up alot of ppl at once

and make team 0 points on another ranking system

why

01:42

i think there would have to be more people working on this

but they can create new accounts if we ban

yes, but really? creating new accounts to get banned again?

@noby while that's true, you have a higher possibility to succeed at banning only one. Just make sure he is far and ideally in a small team

my code would be useless against ddrace bots

makes no sense to me xd

01:42

just wasting time

we should make them invest time in their accounts so they have sth to lose

it's faster banning than creating accounts

01:42

yesss

01:42

exactly

lol can u really vote kick people that are in team?

yes onby

kog is old ddnet

01:43

lol

when you're in a team with them

oo

01:43

funny

@noby no I mean that he is racing with like 1-3 guys

you shouldn't be able to kick them from t0 on ddnet

when you're in a team with them

i mean from t0

you aren't

i would never be in a team

you can't

01:43

you can't votekick teams

i am going to try on kog

01:43

lol

@noby I talk about t0

aw theres n o one in team

brug

01:44

you compeletely misunderstand me

01:44

also shut up with those shitty accounts ok?

:(

Image attachment

accounts on ddnet are pointless

01:45

if you want to ban something the invested time in then just nameban them

They would give really nice integration between game discord forum and website

@Learath2 I give u an advice: just code what other people tell you to code and let the creative part for others. Thanks!

@Rockus is anyone else currently working on anti-bot code? such a big network of servers would need more than one person or it wouldnt be sustainable

Isnt he just a pleasure to talk to? (edited)

I give u an advice: just keep your advice to yourself

if ddnet rcon got leaked so many times i cant imagine how many ddnet accounts would get leaked

one admin can reasonably maintain one server against people who try to bot there, a whole network of servers needs more

@ZombieToad can't be leaked

It's a 128 character string

wat

if you manage to leak that accidentally you deserve it

zombietoad always finds creative ways to find rcon lol

?

lol

@Learath2 thanks for telling me the length, now it will take significantly less time to bruteforce (edited)

on my server

01:47

xddd

its still 128 lol

the rcon pass is 128 characters or just the hash of it

01:49

?

bruteforcing 128 characters with 60 bits of data each is (2^60)^128 trials

01:49

have a nice century bruteforcing that

if the rcon pass is 128 then it would require mods to make a bind for it which could get leaked

@ZombieToad there'd be no rcon password, it's challange response

01:50

you sign the challange with your account certificate

01:50

which proves you own the account

???

bruh you kidding me. This is why I keep my server room, got 2049 microcomputers in it, I just have to split the job up

i dont understand

it's crypto magix

[8:33 PM] Prankster: @onby this is real time wasting lol and you accuse me of doing that? i still find it funny cuz i never accused u of it but for the record yes ur obviously wasting the mods time on purpose lol

theres no username password?

no nothing, it's all transparent

what if im on another computer

you need to carry your account file on a usb I guess

that sounds fun

or you can memorize the recovery phrase

01:51

should be like 15 words

what happens when my harddrive fails

im having trouble understanding how this stops people from botting

you use your recovery phrase

01:52

@noby that's not the purpose of it

ud just get a bunch of accounts that collect points using bots that arent detected

im not gonna remember a recovery phrase

then what is the purpose

@ZombieToad that's why you write it down

please send me a bot client, so I can examine it!

01:52

and help you code the protection

i also dont write anything down xD

which one

@ZombieToad then you lose your points

i use the same password for every account

@noby idk, the one that im corneum used

oh

01:53

idk then

01:53

lol

which one do you have?

i have dozens of clients

I really should sleep :/

but theyre all fng bots i used to make the detection

@Learath2 stop spamming then and gn8

@Learath2 teeworlds is a game for kids remember

no replaybots

lol

ur making it too complicated for them

I guess you could also recover through discord or forum

why would you need replay bots for fng

u wouldnt, thats why i dont have any..

@noby I need a ddrace bot

make one urself

I want to have good ranks

It's transparent though, you just see one recovery phrase to write down and it works behind the scenes

learn c++

I know the basics buddy

01:55

that's how I can zoom on your server

lmao

he admitted to zooming, name ban him

f3

ur account system reminds me of some crypto wallets

except i do ip bans not name bans

01:55

whats the point of name ban

01:56

u can just player_name nameless tee and keep playing? lol

@noby pisses him off

im slep now

lol I will just use the name Learath2

01:56

you can nameban it idc

ssh ddnet.tw 'echo name_ban Prankster 2 >> ~/servers/name_bans.cfg'

use antivirus, it might damage ur pc

I'll try getting some sleep before I need to wake up...

wait

01:58

@Learath2 u use linux?

yeah

which distro?

gentoo

have you ever dualbooted 2 distros?

I dual boot with windows on my desktop, didn't try doing 2 linux but it's supposed to be much easier

ever installed arch?

once or twice

pls help

02:00

I want to dualboot my mint with arch

just install it somewhere and grub will figure it out

yes, but

02:01

I installed arch in vm

02:01

and didn't create a bios boot partition

02:01

and grub told me that it's no good like that

02:01

and I wonder if I need that if I dualboot

you obviously can't dualboot with a vm...

I didn't want to

02:02

it was simple install

02:02

but I thought I have to make my filesystem ext4

02:02

but then I don't have a bios boot one

prankster=zooz nobo

If you are actually interested in working it out gimme a message tomorrow, I have to wake up in like 3 hours

so idk if I should do a separate partition or make the whole a bios boot one

separate boot partition is usually the easiest way to get it done

02:03

or same boot partition separate root

02:03

night

kk, thanks I will hit you up tomorrow then probably

02:04

@noby I can rekt you in fng anyday

02:04

just let me use my zoom

no thats cheating

02:05

use dyn

dyn sucks

zoom sucks

but if I only use static dyn noobs rekt me

move faster

02:06

or learn dyn

also

02:06

do you allow hacks?

define hacks

02:06

probably not

you know that deen promotes hacks right?

i didnt

02:07

what type of hacks

https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=45&p=65894#p65894

lmao

so if hacks are allowed why can't I use my zoom?

hacks may be allowed but cheats arent

02:08

zoom is both

bruh pls, I used to be top player

02:08

now I can't play that shit

because u cant zoom?lol

zoom is the way to fight dyn

02:09

it doesn't let you see players that are very far away anyway

02:10

and idk what's a good dyn setup

lol it gives u a clear advantage that most clients arent able to do how is it not a cheat

02:10

default dyn setup is fine

but ddnet has it

02:10

most ppl use ddnet

02:10

if u use vanilla ur an idiot anyway

i use d dnet

02:10

it doesnt let me zoom on my server

download today's nightly

where

uh

02:12

there's a link

02:12

https://ddnet.tw/news/nightly-builds/

02:13

go on a ddrace server and try it

is this a prank

02:13

oh

it will work

yeah it lets u zoom on ddrace

02:13

not fng

noby

02:15

all I can say b4 I go to bed

02:15

is that I hope that alive fng will take over

02:15

and they won't implement shits like that

02:16

so that fng will become fun once again

well it wont, both my server and alivefng have been up for a while and ppl generally choose mine

02:16

and it could be fun again if u learn to play without zoom

02:17

or learn how to zoom properly lol

02:17

bad coder

ok

02:17

I hoped that this won't come

02:17

but you are offending me

02:17

and making teeworlds worse

im surprised u never figured out the very easy bypass

02:18

to the flashing thingy

how?

02:18

pls tell

02:18

I will forgive u

02:18

pls

hint it doesnt even need coding

k ty better than nothing

02:19

so for now we are cool then if I can figure it out

well yeah im working on a better system against zoom, idc if people figure out how to bypass this one in the meantime

but be ready, if you come up with something new against zoom, I may launch the Brussilow offensive

02:20

and there will be no thank in that

am already working on it

02:20

feelsgoodman

delete

02:21

or ur server will become unpopular

02:21

this is my final threat

02:22

now I go to sleep

what r u going to do about it

I said, I will launch the Brussilow offensive

ok ill let u know when its done

02:23

lol

ok, pls send source

02:23

when it's done

02:23

since tw is opensource

02:23

you are obliged to do so

02:23

just saying

no im not

ok I won't send you the source with modified zoom then

02:25

so you won't be able to zoom on your shitty srv

lol i already know how to do that

02:25

i dont want to cheat

noby y u do dis

to prank anyone who tries to zoom

@Prankster entities

heartw

2

gay

@noby get rekt

no u

now I can get my rank back

how did u not figure that out tho

ikr lol

02:27

prankster = stupid GWfroggyPeepoDetective

GWfroggyPeepoDetective

nobo

dude I saw that epilepsyc shit and decided to leave

feelsamazingman

dont worry, some youtube tutorials and ill be able to code in c++ in no time

its a good skill

02:30

and u should use it to do things that arent cheating on my server

kk

02:32

gn8 buddy hope to see you tomorrow. I want to rekt u in fng

lol

02:32

ok gn

TFW you find a new player playing ddrace and you get to teach him HF for the first time (edited)

3

03:48

GWsetmyxPeepoCry

"new player" i still get taught sometimes

@MyStery.Fox hope u have a great day my friend!!!

GWseremePeepoHappy

1

heartw

1

twinbop

1

why so kind xD

@MyStery.Ugly who are u thonkery

thonkery

feelsamazingman

1

thonkery

1

hateeee

@Moderator prankster blocking on ger.ddnet.tw:8314

12:07

name is suki fuki zuki

just ban that dude

@jao NICE BAIT

@Deleted User ur srv doesn't show up

15:19

ip

qshar.com:8306

pw

KoG

15:20

xd

@Ravie kvnm

15:33

xd

15:33

nvm

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16:24

qshar is evil

@qshar

thonkery

GWqlabsFeelsGoodMan

banhammer

16:38

stealer

@Moderator im getting funvoted for blocking on stronghold ger srv

banhammer

2

please read /rules .

are u blocking?

17:34

it wouldnt surprise coming from you (edited)

well

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i will be 100% honest xd

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i did block

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2hours earlier on another srv

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i get "funvoted" for block pls help

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@jao yes, thanks. Looks like autoupdate certificate didn't work. gonna investigate when I'm back

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not me

Hi, i finish a moderate ddr map "Excast 4" 3 days ago at chn ddnet server but i have not rank until now. I contact the chn ddnet server tom but he also dont know how to fix this problem. this is my demo.

Excast_4_1774.420_Eki.demo

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I find a pull request by H-M-H to solve this kind of problem, https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/pull/524, but why this PR is closed?

why you must to have rank?

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ah ok

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sry

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i understand

CHN server sometime cant connect the main sql server because the national firework of China, so i think we should think a way to fix this problem

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and i also want to have this rank because this is the last map i dont have rank at moderate server xd

last map of your creation?

no, last map i have finished

ah, ok

22:49

sry

:p

:з im russian, sry for my "good" grammar D:

never mind, my english grammar is bad, too. xd

They don't usually do anything like adding a rank to the DDNet database even if it was because of a bug (edited)

Yes, i think this is some kind of bug...

one time ddnet2 was ddosed and we lost back in the days 3 run xd

oh, damn ddos

maybe ddnet's administration must to create new storage of memory for ddnet information

22:52

locally in CHN servers

yes, i think so. it should storage local record file using json or somethimg when it fail to connect to main sql server.

it does that i think

what is "json"?

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