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[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #1140 Set default chat key to enter

Team chat could be set to right shift, because the symbol keys around the enter key are not the same across international keyboards.

[ddnet-maps:master] 1 new commit

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> jxsl13: it's a header followed by a stream of messages

09:45

[quakenet] <heinrich5991> the header is a zero-terminated string containing json in a self-explanatory format

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> each message starts with a teeworlds variable-width integer, which is the message ID

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> the rest of the message depends on the message ID:

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> PLAYER_DIFF(0-63): dx(int) dy(int) records that player with the message ID as cid (client ID) has changed position in a way that adds dx to the x coordinate and y to the y coordinate

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> FINISH(-1): records the end of the teehistorian file

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> TICK_SKIP(-2): dt(int) records that there were dt ticks in which nothing happened, i.e. the next tick is the last tick + dt + 1

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> PLAYER_NEW(-3): cid(int) x(int) y(int) records that a new player character with cid appeared at (x, y)

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> PLAYER_OLD(-4): cid(int) records that the player character with cid disappeared

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> INPUT_DIFF(-5): cid(int) input(int[10]) records that a player with cid sent an input packet for the first time, containing input

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> correction

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> INPUT_DIFF(-5): cid(int) dinput(int[10]) records that a player with cid sent an input packet but has sent one before, add dinput to the previous input component-wise to obtain the new one

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> INPUT_NEW(-6): cid(int) input(int[10]) records that a player with cid sent an input packet for the first time, containing input

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> MESSAGE(-7): cid(int) msgsize(int) msg(raw[msgsize]) records that a player with cid sent a game-related packet msg

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> JOIN(-8): cid(int) records that a player with cid joined, on the engine level

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> DROP(-9): cid(int) records that a player with cid left/was kicked/was dropped, on the engine level

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> CONSOLE_COMMAND(-10): cid(int) flags(int) cmd(str) num_args(str) args(str[num_args]) records that a console command cmd was executed by client id cid (not necessarily a player, might be a vote as well), with flags (distinguishes chat commands, etc.) with parameters args

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> EX(-11): uuid(uuid) size(int) data(raw[size]) records an extension message, identified by uuid and containing data

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> the following extra messages are known right now:

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> TEST(teehistorian-test@ddnet.tw): is just a test message

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> AUTH_INIT(teehistorian-auth-init@ddnet.tw): cid(int) level(int) auth_name(str) records that a player with cid got rcon access with level under the account name auth_name since the start of the map (because they had it before the map change as well)

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> AUTH_LOGIN(teehistorian-auth-login@ddnet.tw): cid(int) level(int) auth_name(str) records that a player with cid just logged into rcon with level under the account name auth_name

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> AUTH_LOGOUT(teehistorian-auth-logout@ddnet.tw): cid(int) records that a player with cid just logged out of rcon

[quakenet] <heinrich5991> int is a teeworlds variable-width integer

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> str is a null-terminated string

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> raw[size] is simply size bytes

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> str[num_args] is num_args null-terminated strings

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> uuid is 16 bytes of a UUID

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> the UUIDs are version 3 UUIDs, with the teeworlds namespace e05ddaaa-c4e6-4cfb-b642-5d48e80c0029

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> a tick is implicit in these messages when a player with lower cid is recorded using any of PLAYER_DIFF, PLAYER_NEW, PLAYER_OLD

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> e.g.

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> PLAYER_DIFF cid=0 … PLAYER_NEW cid=5 … PLAYER_OLD cid=3 has an implicit tick between the cid=5 and the cid=3 message

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> another correction:

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[quakenet] <heinrich5991> the header is the teehistorian uuid followed by a zero-terminated string containing json in a self-explanatory format

[ddnet/ddnet] Issue opened: #1141 Current state of Teeworlds + DDNet

Hi, Please have a look at this issue, don't forget to answer whether you are in favor or against it & if you have another proposal for the projects. If you're simply a player, or the admin of one of the projects, whatever, just have a look! Thank you!

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/1141

Current state of Teeworlds + DDNet · Issue #1141 · ddnet/ddnet

Hi, Please have a look at this issue, don't forget to answer whether you are in favor or against it & if you have another proposal for the projects. If you're simply a player, or the ad...

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@deleted-role @Dev @Moderator sorry for the HL, please have a look at the issue & tell me your input?

[quakenet] <Gabee> https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/issues/1141 people

Current state of Teeworlds + DDNet · Issue #1141 · ddnet/ddnet

Hi, Please have a look at this issue, don't forget to answer whether you are in favor or against it & if you have another proposal for the projects. If you're simply a player, or the ad...

I don't wanna post anything on the general channel yet I wanna know what you think of it

don't ping mod for that

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literally the channel description and #welcome tells you to ping dev..

merge ddnet into vanilla? lol

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you know there is a guy called oy @Gabee

oy said that ddnet is antiteeworlds

oy blocks everything and doesnt do anything himself thonkery

thonkery

RIP

14:52

even vanilla community is unhappy xd

i think he would never accept merging a mod

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he is anti modifications

ye

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he doesnt accept any changes i think

https://www.teeworlds.com/forum/viewtopic.php?id=12115

Is the development of teeworlds slowed down? (Page 1) — Discussi...

Is the development of teeworlds slowed down? (Page 1) — Discussions — Teeworlds Forum — Everything Teeworlds!

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look at this issue: https://github.com/teeworlds/teeworlds/issues/1489 closed without any response from oy

In need of new admins to approve pull requests! · Issue #1489 · ...

As discussed here, mentioned here and here, it is time for the old generation, which does not seem to have the time nor the will to participate in this development, to step down. I think it is heav...

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thats how oy works

censorship everywhere

thonkery

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its another level

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danAmazing

Guys

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No matter what

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Please let him respond

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If he doesn't respond it means he's not open for dialog

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And therefore you can break away from Teeworlds

@Gabee no srsly first we have to change the oy situation before anything happens

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and we need broadcasts bgack o.O

i think ddnet already broke away from tw

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or u mean tw backwards compatibility? (edited)

I'm just confronting the guy to the reality: he's all alone, I show a screenshot of what teeworlds is today: only mods

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tw backwards compatibility

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I still use the vanilla client

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I tried DDNet and while it's nice, it has too many stuff in here

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i like ddnet client, i dont use teeworlds client since long time

how can u even run vanilla on mac?

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for me it didnt work sicne ages (edited)

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well im assuming ur using mace becauae of the screenshots in the issue

@Gabee "DDNet is bloated as fuck, full of useless features, ugly" ???

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i disagree

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    It is ugly (colors, in text, in the interface)
    It has too many functions (you can change the font in game, the red laser, you have two server lists…)
    It doesn't make sense, at all
    And I am personally forced to play full screen, it doesn't support the small window I'm used to play with

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many functions that you can use default values, such as the laser color and wont be diferent yet you enable other people with other opinions to use the cusotmization they like more

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i dont think its bad thing

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also the colored texts i find them lot nicer

colors are good to distinguish things, it's not like they are just there to make it look fancy

you want to merge ddnet but kill it at same time?

Image attachment

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This category should not be there

just use vanilla

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and let us have our nice customization

So what you're saying

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It sucks because oy is kicking us away from the project and doesn't want to fix or try and fix things

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But you just did the exact same thing @Ryozuki

no

what sucks? i don't care at all about teeworlds, i like ddnet and want it to remain a mod or even be standalone

@jao Okay then but the "HUD" is just too much :/

where do you change font btw

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never knew about that

and why changing font is a bad thing?

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i dont understand

@jao that's what I'm talking about, the HUD

let people customize the way they want

@Gabee oy already kinda answered to your problematic in ryozuki's link :

When I started playing Teeworlds, there were usually just 2 servers with people playing - that was fine. If it goes back to that - still fine. It was never the aim to get a lot of players, it's a niche product, even though it attracted lots of players during time. People start and stop playing games, that's life. Games die and people move on.

The current development status is a combination of things: lack of time, people become inactive, stuff Magnet mentions here and that the game is pretty much perfect the way it is.
Teeworlds always has been about simplicity and minimalism and that's not going to change. It's not turning into an anti-Teeworlds like ddnt or become mod-friendly etc.. If someone isn't happy with what Teeworlds is. The source is open-source, use it, make your own thing, fulfil your dreams. No hard feelings, that's part of the game.

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use 3 '`' @snail

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this is hard to read

test

xD

true

you learn a thing every day

test

@snail I was totally unaware of that

changing font shoulnt be a problem

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the hud might be blown and issnt needed in offical teeworlds client thats ture

@ChillerDragon changing font is not a problem because you can't I'm talking about the colors

The source is open-source, use it, make your own thing, fulfil your dreams. No hard feelings, that's part of the game. thats what ddnet did

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and our dreams are fulfilled

Yes, in the game it's white for text, yellow for server, and there should be more colors

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Depending on the announcement etc

what

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didn't you say colors are bad

thats what i thought

maybe he means logo etc

@jao yes because you set them

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@jao the HUD is too much in the interface

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and the ping color too

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Not necessary imo

why is it bad?

My proposal for DDNet:

    Clean DDNet so it looks exactly like Teeworlds

this is a big no from me

yes

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and complete nonsense since oy will fully block it

its really good to be able to customize everything, maybe just hide it behind an "advanced settings" button but removing it would suck

why is ping color bad? you can see on a glance whether the server has a good ping or not instead of having to actually read the ping

@Gabee what do you even mean by merge? do u want to add freeze to vanilla gametype?

@ChillerDragon yes

thats not going to happen

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the vanilla communitee dislikes it

@ChillerDragon and I wanna see the DDNet admins in charge of the teeworlds project because teeworlds is stalling

and oy wont do that

Even if the vanilla community is 1% of the teeworlds/ddnet community?

so before you are going to start this wild plan you should fix the oy problem

as oy said, games die, he wants teeworlds to die and so it will be

ddnet admins are overwhelmed with ddnet already, how should they find time to maintain even more

@Ryozuki he wants it to die?

he doesnt care

did u read snail quote

So I'm gonna remove my shitty proposal

yes

its not "shitty" but just unrealistic given oy's mindset

ur simply skipping an important step

(and dont worry, vanilla players are also annoyed by oy)

i wouldnt merge ddnet but rather implement things that ddnet has into teeworlds

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and keep ddnet as it is, a mod

@snail That was the point: having a teeworlds vanilla wouldn't affect the gameplay, so there would not be any "but it's ugly, but there's too many this and that" etc, it would be good looking, no excuse possible

lot of games do that (edited)

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they can start by adding the N players feature

If he says no to basically DDNet being the new teeworlds looking exactly like teeworlds… well. I tried?

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cuz I know he will say no

the solution would probably be to take the code and create a teeworlds 2.0 with new master servers, active devs etc

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totally parting away with the current ones

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but that would split players anyway

teewars.com

@snail Should I remove my issue?

do as u wish

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but ur gonna talk to a wall anyway xd

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if he even answers

but your idea of a teeworlds 2.0

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or ddnet 2.0

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is a good thing

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Because it will finally improve teeworlds

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As in, the features, the gameplay

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@ChillerDragon thanks for the answer but now I realize it was dumb to post this

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@jao I know they are, that's why I'm willing to help..?

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I could make some time to help the project, I have some ressources to share as well (like, if you need a good build server, or hosting website etc.

no a fork is bad

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loosing all the players that go to teeworlds.com or get it on steam

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we just have to fix the official situation

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we have to show that the whole communitee is agianst oy then something has to happen

but oy has to make it happen

sure?

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isnt ther eany inactive magnus behind him who could do something if he sees his whole game community is agianst the guy he selected to maintain it

I don't think so

@ChillerDragon that's exactly why I provided the second screenshot, to make him realize no one plays the official games that much

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@ChillerDragon heinrich is in favor of the merge

then we have to show even more community power to convince oy himself

I play more vanilla than ddrace

@jao yes but you still play ddrace or you played once

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without ddnet this wouldn't be possible but now you can realize pretty easily that ddnet is huge

i sometimes have the feeling jao is ddnet xd

what wouldn't be possible without ddnet?

@jao https://ddnet.tw/ranks/ all these people playing and having fun

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they have fun in the ddnet mod

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not in teeworlds

ddnet is part of teeworlds

i would like it to be standalone

its fully based on the pure and awesome vanilla physics

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that would be wrong

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ddrace only added freeze

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the most fun is pure teeworlds physics

that freeze turned the game into a coop mode

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ddnet is diferent than teeworlds

yes it changed a lot

like counter strike was a mod of half life

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and it went its own game

but ddnet would be shit without teeworlds

it also had the things half life had

imagine a 2d game with hook and freze

i dont think it would be shit

it would suck without teeworlds core

When I say teeworlds

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I include everything

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DDnet is teeworlds

yes

@ChillerDragon i dont mean to delete teeworlds physicis lol

stop spllitting ddnet

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whole teeworlds is nice

ddnet source would stay as it is

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but it would be its own game

yes

thats what i mean with standalone

even the name "teeworlds" is better than ddnet, no offense guys

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so you can break backwards compatibility with the original game

and because teeworlds physics are gold the best part is stolen from teeworlds if u take it away and claim it as your own standalone work

your opinion

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i see no problem

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teeworlds is open source

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you can do that

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even oy said to do that

and breaking compatibility is even worse

thats the heart of open source

oh we have a oy fanboi here

me? no

not only ddnet is nice

im not saying that..

im necking you because im mad that you want to go away with ddnet

fine

it would destroy the playerbase even more if we split into multiple games

currently the playerbase is ddnet

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it wouldnt destroy anything

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just make it more obvius

no its not

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there are other mods

that teeworlds dont have lot ofp layers

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these mods could adapt to ddnet

and these other mods are pretty good too

like they did with teeworlds

and alsp break compatiblity?

these mods? idk idc

why is this even a feature

they could show in the ddnet masterserver

breaking things

i dont think u get what i mean

compatibility is nice

@Ryozuki if I play on vanilla and ddnet didn't work, I wouldn't get the ddnet client.

fine

no not fine

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we would loose a tee then

please add multiple server dummy like in k client xD

maybe make a lighter ddnet client for teeworlds merging and keep a full functionnality ddnet client. But yeah I agree on something has to be done to make teeworlds great again

gives a cookie to @Amu~Cookie

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double work

i just tested out the dummy feature from k client and i think its cool, maybe only 2 tees per server so if youre on server 1 with tee 1 you can toggle dummy like always using your toggle dummy key to tee2 on server 1 xd. in esc menu you can switch to the other server and there the same

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much work i guess but would be extremely cool

what for

swag

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i just like that feature^^

it is very usefull @Im 'corneum starting multiple clients all the time and tabbing so so annyoing if you play on multiple servers

yes

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2 tees per server is enough i think

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we dont need that 64p support xd

i would love to see the double dummy boundle

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with 2x2 dummys on one server

that doesnt make any sense

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xD

it does

ok a bit

u still have the old dummytoggle bnd

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for 2 tees

but what about multi server and then connect to the same server again? hmm

and a new bind for toggeling the two dummy pairs

then it would be like i said

mods could moderate 2 servers at once

see

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everyone is happy with that

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devs!!

@ChillerDragon on OSX you cannot open teeworlds twice

Gabo inc

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blown feature xd

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oh he is also pro this feature

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and you can Gabbo xd

Well

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I don't know how

you need multiple apps

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f3 too tab between them in fullscreen

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but this is super annoying

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Image attachment

so is there any dev who can code that?

i think it would be lot of work

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but idk

you can do it ryozuki!

i definitly wont do it

xd

xd

pls

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xd

https://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2018/06/inventor-says-google-is-patenting-work-he-put-in-the-public-domain/

Inventor says Google is patenting work he put in the public domain

Creator of a breakthrough compression algorithm fights to keep it patent-free.

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google evilness (edited)

@ChillerDragon with ddnet I can but not with teeworlds

as i already said how can u even run vanilla on mac

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fpor me it doesnt work at all

@ChillerDragon well I'm sorry it works for me..

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@ChillerDragon It's been installed through brew so I got all the dependencies right

u can install tw on bre? xd

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sick

Gabes-MacBook-Pro% brew cask info teeworlds
teeworlds: 0.6.4
https://www.teeworlds.com/
/usr/local/Caskroom/teeworlds/0.6.4 (3 files, 2.6KB)
From: https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-cask/blob/master/Casks/teeworlds.rb
==> Name
Teeworlds
==> Artifacts
Teeworlds.app (App)
Teeworlds Server.app (App)

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do u have to regisetr stuff on brew or does it search on github?

Brew is a package manager with its repository

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Have you ever used GNU/Linux?

i have

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and i also use brew a lot

Or even the app store on osx

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the idea is: never download from outside

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Only get it through brew

ikr

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but how do the packages get thee

by default brew doesn't have much but cask is a nice extension

did some1 register teeworlds there and it got accepted?

yes

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https://github.com/Homebrew/homebrew-cask/blob/master/Casks/teeworlds.rb

Homebrew/homebrew-cask

homebrew-cask -

A CLI workflow for the administration of macOS applications distributed as binaries

i guess cask has more stuff than plain brew

yep

[quakenet] <jxsl13> heinrich5991 online?

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[quakenet] <jxsl13> by what is the unexpectedend caused in general?

what are tricks to make teeworlds run really fluid on lowspec pc's

use good os

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overclocking

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highdetails off or directly entities

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but srysly i cant even run teeworls properly on a highspecs laptop xd

https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/gamecore.cpp#L443

ddnet - DDraceNetwork, a mod of Teeworlds

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i like those long if statements

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https://github.com/ddnet/ddnet/blob/master/src/game/server/score/sql_score.cpp#L688

ddnet - DDraceNetwork, a mod of Teeworlds

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i like this goto

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wanna see a real if statement?

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https://github.com/ChillerDragon/chidraqul/blob/master/chidraqul.cs#L1712

ChillerDragon/chidraqul

chidraqul simple console game for windows written in C#

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18:23

uffa someone here interested in helping me with threads in teewoods ?

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