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Between 2018-06-09 00:00:00Z and 2018-06-10 00:00:00Z

who are u

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wtf

XDDD

wait wait wait

@Deleted User kmma is known person in tw

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NICE BLACKMAIL

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@jao NEW DDNET BOT

!ban @jao

super enhanced bot

banhammer

thonkery

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fv

thonkery

@Matodor explain

no u

@jao do screenshot again (edited)

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not work

what's wrong

@heinrich5991 how to convert it

press f

first ~20 hours of test data

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@Tareq353 there is a program called OpusDrop

is kgriss in here?

https://forum.ddnet.tw/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=6423&p=65569#p65569

@jao @Ryozuki @ChillerDragon I think you had an opinion on stuff like that before, feel free to post in the forum thread ^

wow the ddnet admins are so generous

yes

12:18

that's why

12:18

you see bots everywhere

12:18

come on

12:18

bots aren't welcome on ddnet as you said

12:18

forever

permaban and forget

the rule is dont get caught botting more than 5 times or u might get a temporary name ban

and use ur time on more useful things

12:20

@noby you say 5 i say 10

10?

12:20

LOL

12:20

100

xd

12:20

no u

well

12:20

that's why people bot

12:20

ddnet forgives everything

12:21

and they'll get their points back

12:21

and maybe so many ranks that they botted aren't checked

12:21

lmao

yeah

i would just remove their names and history

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@heinrich5991 the first thing before a permaban would be point deletion

yes

why u still havent done that

i don't care if they have top1

12:21

or top2

top1 botted

12:21

*

they might have botted those aswell

12:21

yes

12:22

point deletion would be unmotivating for them if they care about points and ranks

thats the part i dont get, if ddnet doesnt want to do ipbans then why not at least delete ranks

after all, what would be the point to bot if your history would be deleted?

12:22

@noby idk

12:22

look at Saro's aims ranks

as i said, others community banned perma on first sight people who use cheats

we don't know how many were botted lmao

ddnet is the only exception

too too generous

vac bans

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12:23

i love them

@noby botted ranks were deleted, on the second time, all ranks in suspected range were deleted (edited)

[7:23 AM] Ryozuki: as i said, others community banned perma on first sight people who use cheats i use this strategy on my server and it works pretty well i think

heartw

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@heinrich5991 delete all ranks

@Ryozuki I don't like VAC bans. people can change

once a botter, always a botter

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as punishment

12:24

they can easily use another name

12:24

but getting points back

12:24

is a time investment

12:24

its more punishing

12:24

do it

@Ryozuki I also botted in online games before, now I wouldn't consider doing it anymore

wtf

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troll

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12:24

I know a person who has a "banned by VAC 3000 days ago" on the profile in steam

12:24

I don't really think that's helping

im sure they knew they would get vac ban

for that reason it seems like deleting stats would be more effective than trying to permanently ban the people

i think its helping

this is not real life come on

most vac banned accounts have little to no games

it's a game

can even anyone here truly say that he never even started a bot(client) in any game?

they can easily have another account

they don't get any real consequences

12:25

if they get banned

people with lot of games dont cheat

why do you make it such a big deal?

due to the vac ban fear

12:25

it works

just ban those botters

12:25

yes

@Ryozuki people with lots of games buy another account to cheat

you are motivating people to bot

12:25

since nothing will happen to them

"nothing"

yes nothing

delete their points

12:26

cmon

they bot

this is to much forgiving

nothing happens to them

yes nothing happens to them

I mean we can try this out

shall we ban your ingame nick for 2 months and see how you like that, @Rockus ^^

name ban is nothing

if you consider suspending their names something

12:26

i don't

or @Ryozuki

why ban me?

12:26

did i do something wrong?

12:26

i mean

12:26

come on

because it's "nothing"

you gotta get a good example

[7:25 AM] Im 'corneum: can even anyone here truly say that he never even started a bot(client) in any game? not without the expectation of being banned tho

it's nothing for someone who bots

12:26

of coruse

12:26

someone who deserves it

12:26

it's nothing

12:26

yo

well, then it's something apparently

i cheated on minecraft on a cheating allowed server when i was 11 i think

you just think that the punishment is too low

never cheated in any game since then

i used to write bots for minecraft lol

that's something different from saying "the punishment is nothing at all"

LOL

12:27

the punishment is nothing

12:27

compared to what they are doing

12:27

they are messing the ranking system

12:27

points system

I think corneum could be unbanned, but I saw syltoox asking worstwish to send him some 'sio client' yesterday

but i knew id get banned from alot of servers

well then, the punishment is to low

@Ravie WTF?

12:28

as a joke

12:28

he not even has a client

syltox will always bot

12:28

remember it

a joke lmao

nice joke ._.

send bot please = serious

12:28

ah

wow i never saw u write ._.

12:28

@J$ON you were also trying to steal mod password

12:29

you deserver even mroe

Oh a joke? Then what was the weird tower balancing shit worstwish was doing?

@Ryozuki ididnt try

it was a test

just ban bots forever

xDDD

delete their names

12:29

as if they never existed

"i was botting, but it was for fun, nothing seriuous"

12:29

"i was trying to scam someone, and steal his credit card, but it was for fun, not serious"

@Ryozuki i told snail directly after i had a password or some shit about it

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ok so you declare that you had stolen a password

12:30

more reasons to ban you

"stolen"

and delete ur points

danAmazing

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banhammer

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wtf

12:30

thats another thing

12:30

we are talking about bot dude

I agree banning all bots forever if they do it for the second time at least

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you thing stealing passwords is not punishable either??

12:31

lmao

12:31

ddnet image

well its irrelevant i guess

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ryozuki

12:31

u wasnt even there if i made the "test"

12:31

so why are u talkin

12:31

u have no clue

i was stealing a bank account for the "test"

the last few times i can remember people asking me if they could "test something" on my server its been a cheat

feelsgoodman

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danAmazing

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i should not get punished

@Ryozuki WTF

12:32

you compare 2 different things

thats how an analogy works yes

to steal a bank account, or bot in a game

Noby let me test purple team deeper

nice comparison

lol

troll

you're 16 and you're dumb as fuck man xd

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Categorical_imperative

Categorical imperative

The categorical imperative (German: kategorischer Imperativ) is the central philosophical concept in the deontological moral philosophy of Immanuel Kant. Introduced in Kant's 1785 Groundwork of the Metaphysics of Morals, it may be defined as a way of evaluating motivations fo...

you are a random and dont know how old i am

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12:33

im not reading that

12:34

@Freezy ?

hello

from the other side

A random? I've seen you struggle on heartcore with him multiple times

why is age relevant either

12:35

just ban all people who keep botting

No

12:36

Just ban botters with the age of 15, 18 or 23

12:36

Others forgiven

thonkery

@J$ON who did you promise heartcore finish and 10€ this time

xd

XDD

toptri

who's the lucky guy

ME

another botter

@jao dude

Onbylievable

troll

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i'll pay 10 euros for a 200 minutes finish

@jao stop it, its unfair.

12:37

@jao u even know that its a fucking joke dude

12:37

ask snail

it seems like all syltoox does is a joke

12:37

thonkery

thonkery

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DUDE

12:38

thats unfair

12:38

they just pick things

But the fun is to do the map lol why u want to pay for finishes

or a "test"

LMAO u were for real @J$ON

which are totally not serious

we should do a funny prank and test if banning syltoox works

danAmazing

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@Freezy i dont pay for ingame shit now

YOU ALREADY DID

@Freezy when did u see me pay for ingame?

12:38

i did

12:38

but not anymore

LOL

now you guys are pissed at eachother?

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12:38

WTF

danAmazing

they were best friends (edited)

12:38

thonkery

jao and freezy biggest hater of me

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banhammer

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12:39

idk since when

12:39

they just start some random shit without being serious in any way

who isn't your hater?

toptri

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good question

ok bye

Starting shit without being serious is basically what i do all day (edited)

12:40

Is that wrong?

"i'll put a bomb and shout allahakbar, without being serious"

That's called trolling

actually, please unban @J$ON , hes funny tho

Well thats serious lol

yeah it's good fun when he never learns from his past mistakes and bots again after every unban

(edited)

banhammer

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i was only unbanned one time

12:41

"after every unban"

even in team and voicechat with admins he bots

reword to "after every chance you were given" (edited)

WTF ?

12:42

fake

12:42

@Freezy was bist du für ein scheiss verräter

12:42

ehrlich jetzt

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will mod

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[7:40 AM] Xusep: Starting shit without being serious is basically what i do all day(edited)

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junge

sounds about right

du laberst nur scheisse

12:42

hör uaf

12:42

du nervst wtf

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12:42

jao schleimt sich genauso ein weil er admin will

banhammer

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Not being reaction banned is cool

12:43

feelsgoodman

jao freezy kommt discord amk

signs

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banhammer

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maybe we could implement the "removing points" idea (edited)

lul

WTF

12:49

NO

12:49

heinrich

like everything before the [second] ban date doesn't count towards total points

what do u mean

after the second ban, you start back from 0 points and can earn points like in the start

but that doesnt count to me ?

12:52

for now

12:52

because u will implent it after my ban

how about, after the second ban you won't be unbanned

but @J$ON already got 3 chances, its unfair that i cant bot 3 times now too

Or

????

Delet all points from sYltoox

am i losing all my points?

Yes

this would be unfair, since we didnt know that

12:54

i wouldnt have started botting a second time if i knew it

that would in no way be unfair. you're not supposed to bot

@heinrich5991 im ok with not being permaban and removing points to 0

good news

yes

help cant join on 95.172.92.151:8306

13:02

other servers do work

Banned

xd

thonkery

i mean

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that is kinda not nice

13:05

the idea is good

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but i wouldnt botted again if i knew it @heinrich5991

13:06

pls think over if u would remove my points

XDD

@J$ON you should try to be nicer if you want them to do favours to you

13:07

us

no

13:08

you already botted more than 2 times

Oh the 'not my precious points' card hurts, doesn't it?

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you will get the consequences

thonkery

syltoox is like a thief getting arrested and telling the cop they should be allowed to keep the stuff they stole

XD

13:14

"i didnt know i couldnt keep it thats unfair "

xD

I agree on deleting the points, but i could understand why you 'test' bots cause it is interesting and funny. Just to see what the possibilities are. I have no clue what and when he botted, but the thing is if you decide to implement the 0 points rule. Does it count from now on or also those in the past.

Truly only he knows what maps he botted and as any guilty person he would lie about it if asked, so deleting all points and ranks not only removes all cheated ones, but nicely doubles as a punishment

Maybe remove only the ranks from this year. I dunno if it is possible to look when he started botting.

If botters don't get punished severely enough they won't take it seriously and keep botting again, and again though

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Well i think it is important to stay reasonable too.

After all it's just points in a game though, how serious can it be?

Sounds like they got no intentions anymore, and if they do it again you can delete their points. If you would delete all point they got now they have nothing to lose anymore (edited)

well ive been collectiong those points ever since 2013 and i played 99% of them legit

13:24

it is kinda serius to me

I meant it as the next time someone gets caught botting again

so you mean the third incident?

13:25

or generally the next player

Next time ofcourse.

13:26

Delete everything

brb downloading baumalein and player_name syltoox

yeah im ok with that if the person knows the consequences

@yao

Put malware in their clients

I think first strike: warning, second strike: nameban for a period of time and third strike: remove all points and ranks forever would be fair

^

first strike should be (temp?)ban..

definitly remove all points

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@n000b "Sounds like they got no intentions anymore"

13:28

you shouldn't be that innocent

13:29

we already had this discussion on the first ban

13:29

they got the chance

Points are less important than ranks though, it doesn't matter to a speedrunner if someone else botted the map, but it does matter when they have to compete with a botted rank

and did it again

@Ravie ye thats the problem

13:29

but u cant remove a whole players ranks

why not

^

because it has way too big collateral damage lol

no

bots are mostly used for finishes, not for speedruns

if u mean teamranks, isnt that a good thing that theyd be removed too

13:31

otherwise people can let bots carry them thru maps

rremove a huge part of supposedly legit ranks to get rid of a few cheated ones, and also it would mean any player who ever played with that guy in team loses in rank

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in random maps

13:31

which is unfair af

13:31

why would i lose a 2 years old rank becasue the idiot i played with decided to bot a shit map 2 years later?

There are so many players, how would deleting 3-4 players ranks change anything that much?

u can solve that by changing the legit teamranks botter name to xxx [bot]

13:31

but i would still remove all them

13:31

no matter what

and how do u know which ranks are legit and which are not

but i would still remove all them

renaming doesnt solve the competing against cheated ranks issue

it looks like botters will go ahead untouched

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with this admins

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and gdin "activeness"

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danAmazing

Gg wp you really doing the job @Ryozuki

what has gdin to do with it

Hating on someone is easy

OMGGG @HMH is online AAH

punishing dozens of innocent players to annoy 1 botter

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thats the way to go @Ryozuki

they played with a botter

13:34

so i dont care

XD

they didnt know perhaps

yes its totally their fault

13:34

if they play with somebody who decides to bot later on (edited)

you can always change the botter name in teamranks in all teamranks

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syltoox [has botted]

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and remove all ranks

13:35

you simply dont want to remove his points eh

i explained why thats bad

13:35

but ur not reading

then you can still make topranks if one didnt bot

its not bad

changing the name in teamrank doesnt solve the problem at all for speedrunners

maybe snail likes to do reasonable decision and not just act emotinaly thonkery

thonkery

danAmazing

no its that syltoox is my friend so im protecting him! feelsgoodman

feelsgoodman

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yeah

13:36

like gdin

exactly

@gdin ❤

lets make a anouncement on ddnet and tell that botting is now allowed

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since we dont care anymore

@snail naww❤

... just felt like posting this screenshot idk why

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What has silex to do with botting

tbh ive always kindof thought ddnet doesnt care about botting

^^

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^^^

to much effort

13:38

for them

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to do something

heinrich literally wrote a post and asked about removing points 10 mins ago

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and ur acting like we dont care

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just because we dont wanna do ur ultra unfair full ranks removal stuff

it's not like what we say on forum will always be done

13:39

"unfair"

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xDD

its unfair because it affects innocent players

go ahead and remove all ranks

13:40

then we can talk about teamranks

Leaving botted ranks in is very fair

no its not either

yes it takes effort to make a system to detect bots but it also takes effort to add emojis to client etc so priorities

but if u have a completely fair solution feel free to tell us xd

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the emojis was added by some huy who wanted them in

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guy

oh

13:40

lol

i dont think official ddnet coders would do the emoji thing

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they should make it an option tho

they should make a system to automaticaly flag any teehistorian data that seems sketchy or botlike for a human to review

13:44

or something like this that isnt only going after a couple well known bot users

use this system: -user joins and generate random number between 1 and 10 -if the user has the number 4 or 9, BAN -botters will decrease by 20%!!!11!!!!!!!111

troll

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xusep you are such a tryhard

feelsgoodman

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@noby first allow bots to collect data. Noby style

lol i never allowed bots except for on the closed test server

13:51

people just bot whether u want them to or not

13:53

unless u count waiting a couple min before banning them to get more data as allowing bots, cuz i used to do that sometimes

@jao @snail @HMH stop it

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14:09

omfg

14:09

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looks like block server

yea

14:11

copy

which we don't moderate

XD

14:11

1 man trying to change map

already ddosed

with connecting bots with proxy

14:12

stop it plz

jake paul was banned nice

did he bot

Yes

team 10 forever

No u

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Noun yuuuuuuuuup

https://saveyourinternet.eu

what?

19:56

if you mean teeworlds i guess its fake

I guess this is called DDNet Discord and not ATH Discord

ok

hey its one of those guys whos tried to join my fng server like 10 times with haxx client and cant figure out that it always autokicks

Truly an intellectual

or figured out how to google the name of the client for the latest download link

Noooo

@noby your detection thing is as drunk as always

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wtf

20:36

what server is that on

20:36

that looks like a super old version of it

wetfish noby fng

oh yea

"Vote failed" @noby fix

that one hasnt been updated in like a year

20:37

i need to do that

20:37

try whatever ur testing on openfng3

you mean your server is not called noby fng?

ye

20:39

its been called other names for a long time now

20:39

i figure ppl just search for fng2+ mod

20:40

and im going to try and ssh into the usa server and take down this shitty version of the detection

@Ravie ok i updated the usa server to the same repo as the main one uses thx for reminding me about that lol

@Tezcan der botter abschaum spielt wieder auf Unique race

Bye bye everyone

who u even

lol nice pic tho

He's a guy who cries when you insult others on his pg clean city server

@noby you cant even search for mods

22:30

or is it possible in latest ddnet?

@fokkonaut it was always possible

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ah ye

22:58

there it is

22:59

i wasnt able to find it because i thought it was in the normal search bar which would make sense to me

I think it's even in vanilla tw but not 100% sure

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